If Russia invades Ukraine pt 2

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McConnell: Military Aid 'Is Not Charity to Ukraine,' U.S. Jobs Are Being Created

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that military aid to Ukraine was not charity, adding that it created jobs in the United States. | Clips
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Yeah, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of his trade.
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Apologies to Country Joe McDonald
 
Cubsandtigers said:
We bought eighty one planes that can’t fly. I can only assume we wasted this money in an effort to keep the Russians from using them for parts.
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Thing is, we don't know they can't fly. Russia and Ukraine are using the same models right now. Only thing we know about is the transaction. Will our media ask for further details?
 
jackson03 said:
Thing is, we don't know they can't fly. Russia and Ukraine are using the same models right now. Only thing we know about is the transaction. Will our media ask for further details?
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Ukraine doesn’t fly most of the models bought. Nor do I think Kazakhstan would sell usable fighters to the west. They’ve studiously avoided selling arms.
 
Seems like a sound take to me:

www.theamericanconservative.com

What $61 Billion for Ukraine Won’t Do

There are problems money can’t fix.
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“This decision will only prolong the agony of Ukraine and Europe,” Richard Sakwa, Professor of Russian and European Politics at the University of Kent, told TAC. But, he added, “It also raises the stakes, and pushes the world one step further towards a cataclysm the likes of which we have never seen. Now is the time to start de-escalating, and to outline what it would take to start a diplomatic process of some sort.”

Hill said that if the U.S. wants to help Ukraine “it would be pushing for meaningful negotiations that would include not only territory, but also the future nature of the Ukraine-NATO relationship, with the aim being to facilitate a lasting peace.” Roberts agreed and added that the $60 billion would be better spent on “aiding Ukraine’s postwar recovery, not its further unnecessary destruction in pursuit of the West’s proxy war with Russia.”

In trying to help Ukraine, the aid package will in fact prolong its tragedy.
 
WJ-OSU-STEELERS said:
Interesting USA purchase

www.businessinsider.com

US buys 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Russia's ally costing on average less than $20,000 each, report says

The US bought 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan for $1.5m.
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Repurposed as next gen drones ? We may be pretty close to flying a jet remotely. Maybe it’s just another version of Obama’s cash for clunkers, destroying viable cars to get them out of the resale market ?

Considering what the idiots Biden Blinken Sullivan Austin and Milley left in Afghanistan, buying old MiGs does seem odd.
 

In what could prove a worrying development for Ukraine, Syrskiy said his forces were closely monitoring an increase in the number of Russian troops in the area of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city.

The northeastern city of 1.3 million just 30 km from the Russian border has been hammered by airstrikes in recent months in what Kyiv has said is a deliberate effort by Moscow to make Kharkiv uninhabitable.

Syrskiy said there were so signs that Russia was directly preparing for an offensive in the north of the country.

"In the most threatening directions, our troops have been reinforced by artillery and tank units," he said.

If Kharkiv were to fall then I suspect the Russians would be open to negotiation.


Ukraine is currently expecting a long-awaited a shipment of U.S. military aid which officials say is critical to holding off Russia's two-year-old invasion.

I hope our weapons get to the Ukrainians faster then that pier off Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid to the Palestinians got built. Last I looked there's no pier.
 
Cubsandtigers said:
www.defenseone.com

Another U.S. precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, U.S. says

A U.S. defense official would not provide specifics, but is likely referring to Boeing’s Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb.
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Interesting article on the effectiveness of our GPS precision weapons in Ukraine. The performance by Excalibur is pathetic.
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Begs the question has the US Military evolving reliance on tech to fight war without soiling one's hands foolhardy? GPS can be spoofed. Stealth can be offset with spotters and binoculars (Nighthawk shoot down in Yugoslavia 1999). Never underestimate robust old school tactics.

Will lessons be learned or will the MIC and America's abhorrence of casualties and wanting to have war wrapped up in a few days news cycles be our downfall.

Russians if anything are resourceful and brutal in waging war. The history of Stalingrad in 42-43 should not be forgotten. Will the West have the stomach and resolve to win in Ukraine?
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Ukraine-Russia war live: More than 100 Russian soldiers killed in Atacms strike

More than 100 Russian soldiers were reportedly killed in an Atacms strike in one of the highest single losses of Russian lives in months.
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Great but are we really getting the true story of events in this war?


Russia's ability to recruit hundreds of thousands of relatively well-paid contract soldiers and ramp up weapons production has surprised the United States and its allies in the NATO military alliance.

Russia's army is now 15% larger than before the invasion, the command has adapted fast to the innovative challenges of the battlefield and Russia will manufacture more artillery this year than all of NATO's 32 members combined, General Christopher Cavoli, the head of U.S. European Command, said last month.
 
Omega said:
Are the cheese eating French surrender monkeys being honest about what it will take to defeat Russia: Western boots on the ground?

Macron Recommits to Possibility of Sending Troops to Ukraine

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday restated a previous commitment of making troops available for Ukraine.
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www.politico.eu

Ukraine can strike inside Russia with British weapons, UK’s Cameron says

UK’s top diplomat also pledges £3 billion of annual military help to Ukraine for ‘as long as it takes.’
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Here’s the British trying to escalate the conflict.

At least the French army is combat capable. The British army by their own admission has about two weeks ammo and less than fifty thousand men who can fight.
 
Omega said:
Begs the question has the US Military evolving reliance on tech to fight war without soiling one's hands foolhardy? GPS can be spoofed. Stealth can be offset with spotters and binoculars (Nighthawk shoot down in Yugoslavia 1999). Never underestimate robust old school tactics.

Will lessons be learned or will the MIC and America's abhorrence of casualties and wanting to have war wrapped up in a few days news cycles be our downfall.

Russians if anything are resourceful and brutal in waging war. The history of Stalingrad in 42-43 should not be forgotten. Will the West have the stomach and resolve to win in Ukraine?
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The thing is the reliance on tech is not resulting in that outcome. So the theory goes, this is supposed to minimize casualties on both sides. Yet these conflicts drag on endlessly and the death tolls aren't exactly small and increasingly destabilize country after country. Tech cannot definitively tell you who you're killing. At its most fundamental, it's a second hand source.

We're committing to this mode of warfare and a bizarre belief that this will somehow be better and not create future problems. The more UAVs proliferate, the more dangerous the situation will become for US servicemen who actually are deployed instead of sitting in a chair in a computer lab.
 
gneiss rocks said:
True or not???
It sure reeks of propaganda.
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Well, the article came from the AP and provided the authors name along with the name of the 98 year old woman and the town her & her family was fleeing from.

That should be enough for a Patriot or Truth Seeker such as yourself to begin your investigation.

Let us know what you find out.
 
Omega said:
Are the cheese eating French surrender monkeys being honest about what it will take to defeat Russia: Western boots on the ground?

Macron Recommits to Possibility of Sending Troops to Ukraine

French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday restated a previous commitment of making troops available for Ukraine.
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At least one world leader has the balls to admit what it will take and possibly do something instead if just sending money and weapons like our limpwristed CiC
 
Thavoice said:
At least one world leader has the balls to admit what it will take and possibly do something instead if just sending money and weapons like our limpwristed CiC
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Yea, but I'll pass on starting a nuclear WW 3 over Russia invading Ukraine. If the French & British want to start a war with Russia they can have at it but keep it regional. Of course we'll lose some pretty cool vacation destinations for the next century and the less intense but still annoying nuclear winter will impact us a bit. But fallout will be pushed west and away from the US and our cities and farm land will be largely untouched.
 
Cubsandtigers said:
www.politico.eu

Ukraine can strike inside Russia with British weapons, UK’s Cameron says

UK’s top diplomat also pledges £3 billion of annual military help to Ukraine for ‘as long as it takes.’
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Here’s the British trying to escalate the conflict.

At least the French army is combat capable. The British army by their own admission has about two weeks ammo and less than fifty thousand men who can fight.
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The French say their army is combat capable, but when have they been in combat? The Brits were at least in Iraq.
 
Bengal WhoDey said:
The French say their army is combat capable, but when have they been in combat? The Brits were at least in Iraq.
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They operated in Afghanistan and were successful.

The French army is smaller but is well equipped and well trained. I have my doubts they could beat the Russians head to head but they’d hold up. It’s also important to note that Macron is talking about intervening to establish a backstop in the event of a collapse. He’s not planning to go on the offensive just keep western Ukraine from being overrun.

That is a task the French army can handle.
 
Cubsandtigers said:
They operated in Afghanistan and were successful.

The French army is smaller but is well equipped and well trained. I have my doubts they could beat the Russians head to head but they’d hold up. It’s also important to note that Macron is talking about intervening to establish a backstop in the event of a collapse. He’s not planning to go on the offensive just keep western Ukraine from being overrun.

That is a task the French army can handle.
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Couldn't that be negotiated?
 
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