New Youngstown League

[roberto21]

Here is an article on the state of Liberty Schools in today's (Tuesday, 27 November 2018) Tribune Chronicle …. Page B-1



http://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-...h-retirements/

[EastYoungstown]

Originally Posted by bigbabycavalier

What sense do it make for Fitch to be in a conference with all Division IV schools and they are Division I? Logistically being in a conference with teams that don't have wrestling, bowling, tennis teams is tough for an AD.

Fitch won't ever have it easy til they combine some of these tiny districts into bigger schools.

It's absurd how many tiny districts there are in this area. There should be maybe a dozen schools tops.

[wghfan]

Originally Posted by EastYoungstown

Fitch won't ever have it easy til they combine some of these tiny districts into bigger schools.

It's absurd how many tiny districts there are in this area. There should be maybe a dozen schools tops.

Most of the schools in our valley are all D4 to D7. Only a handful of D1 to D3 anymore. With GM shutting down, it is even going to get worse.

[Sykotyk]

Mahoning County really should have about 10 high schools at mosr. Lowellville, Campbell and Struthers as one. Poland, Springfield as one. Canfield and South Range as another. Boardman. West Branch, Sebring and Western Reserve as another. Austintown and Jackson-Milton as another. East. Chaney.
Maybe keep Canfield and SR separate. Still all fairly close and compact. But the system of how schools are created and funded will never allow it.

[Buckeye Elite]

I would say around 12-15 teams. I think schools D5 and up should join other schools but Struthers/Poland/Canfield/Fitch/WB/Salem should all be their own school. I agree Campbell/lowellville should merge, east/Chaney really wouldn’t change much as it didn’t before.

[Joe Bernastat]

Liberty has scheduled Ursuline for 2020.

[SteelValley]

Originally Posted by EastYoungstown

Fitch won't ever have it easy til they combine some of these tiny districts into bigger schools.

It's absurd how many tiny districts there are in this area. There should be maybe a dozen schools tops.

Agreed x100. This area is ridiculous when it comes to town-specific schools and not being open to progressive ideas which make sense and save $.

Mahoning County could easily be 1 countywide district split into Youngstown HS and 4 other high schools in suburbs. Each school still would not be ridiculously large - maybe 500-600 per graduating class and realistically shrinking.

The high schools and facilities could all be new and state of the art. Also every school would be able to have the full offering of academic courses, music programs, extracurriculars, etc.

[Spread All Day]

Originally Posted by Joe Bernastat

Liberty has scheduled Ursuline for 2020.

Interesting move on both sides. Ursuline a d 4 and liberty and 6. Liberty hasn’t had a lot of luck playing up recently with Struthers so why take on a private d 4? Ursuline is a sleeping giant with the right coach.


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[DahBeast]

Originally Posted by Joe Bernastat

Liberty has scheduled Ursuline for 2020.

Where can this be seen?

[ts1227]

Originally Posted by Sykotyk

Mahoning County really should have about 10 high schools at mosr. Lowellville, Campbell and Struthers as one. Poland, Springfield as one. Canfield and South Range as another. Boardman. West Branch, Sebring and Western Reserve as another. Austintown and Jackson-Milton as another. East. Chaney.
Maybe keep Canfield and SR separate. Still all fairly close and compact. But the system of how schools are created and funded will never allow it.

Columbiana County has in the teens, 13 I believe if you count ones partially in the county (WB, Minerva). Only 3 of those schools are D4 (those are the largest completely in the county, WB is D3 and Minerva D4 as well) and the rest are mostly D6 or D7. It should be half that at most. They looked at it like 10 years ago but it went nowhere.

[EastYoungstown]

Originally Posted by Spread All Day

Interesting move on both sides. Ursuline a d 4 and liberty and 6. Liberty hasn’t had a lot of luck playing up recently with Struthers so why take on a private d 4? Ursuline is a sleeping giant with the right coach.


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UHS is basically a D5 heading towards a D6

If Competitive balance had anything to do with football success, they would be D5 already

[sportster4321]

Not sure if it was mentioned but Micky Sikora to once again be the HC at Campbell. Good move by the Red Devils imo. Micky was part of the most recent successful run at Campbell including a playoff berth or two.

[simkon]

Originally Posted by SteelValley

Mahoning County could easily be 1 countywide district split into Youngstown HS and 4 other high schools in suburbs. Each school still would not be ridiculously large - maybe 500-600 per graduating class and realistically shrinking.

I think 5 high schools would be one or two too few. That would give you an enrollment of at least 3,000 students per school. Plus you would fix one problem and cause another.




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[Spread All Day]

Originally Posted by sportster4321

Not sure if it was mentioned but Micky Sikora to once again be the HC at Campbell. Good move by the Red Devils imo. Micky was part of the most recent successful run at Campbell including a playoff berth or two.

He leeched onto Bayuks success. Completely lost his team at the end. Won’t be any better.


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[SteelValley]

Originally Posted by simkon

I think 5 high schools would be one or two too few. That would give you an enrollment of at least 3,000 students per school. Plus you would fix one problem and cause another.




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You would not be anywhere near those #’s. I think you are severely over estimating enrollments in Mahoning County. Boardman, Canfield and Poland could combine and it wouldn’t quite be 3,000 kids in the HS. Boardman is barely hitting 350 most years or is under.

I ran rough estimates based on combining schools and you’d be looking at graduating classes as follows:

WB, SR, Can = 560
Poland, Springfield and Lowellville= 360
Boardman and Struthers = 480
Austintown, Jackson-Milton, W Reserve= 530
Ytown and Campbell = 580

Above is just to give an idea on graduating classes. Not saying these would be perfect combinations. But probably “acceptable” ones to people in those communities minus Campbell likely.

But Let’s be real - it won’t happen because it’s going to be a nightmare to try to align “like” schools. Since there are a few districts on multiple sides of Boardman where people would be horrified to have their kids go to a school with over 5% minority enrollment.

So, instead we’ll all live in our bubbles here and continue to regress vs the rest of the state.

[Buckeye Elite]

Originally Posted by sportster4321

Not sure if it was mentioned but Micky Sikora to once again be the HC at Campbell. Good move by the Red Devils imo. Micky was part of the most recent successful run at Campbell including a playoff berth or two.

Didn’t he coach the defense at Lakeview this past season? That was terrible to say the least i

[Devilone]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Elite

Didn’t he coach the defense at Lakeview this past season? That was terrible to say the least i

Mickey is a great coach and brings a ton of experienced assistants along with him.

[Buckeye Elite]

I could be wrong, but I don’t see him lasting over 3 years this tenure, a culture change is needed and I don’t think he’s one to bring it and sustain it

[Spread All Day]

anything new about this?

[gotti544]

With Ursuline and Fitch signing a two year deal, can’t understand why they don’t put the SVC back together with Mooney, Fitch, Boardman, WGH and Ursuline. I can understand East and Chaney not wanting to be part of this, but they can keep there arrangement with Mooney and Ursuline alive with those two just being part of two leagues.

[SteelValley]

I heard Rick Shepas reached out to some of the local schools to a meeting about a new local conference. I think Boardman’s willing to at least listen. But not sure it changes a whole lot for Boardman scheduling either way. They are currently playing all the old SVC schools plus Canfield, Poland, and Howland. They are sitting pretty well on local scheduling as is, without a league. Honestly I wouldn’t want to play more than 7 local games. You need at least a few challenges outside the area. Plus honestly who is left to schedule that would be a challenge? Maybe Hubbard?

[Spread All Day]

Originally Posted by SteelValley

I heard Rick Shepas reached out to some of the local schools to a meeting about a new local conference. I think Boardman’s willing to at least listen. But not sure it changes a whole lot for Boardman scheduling either way. They are currently playing all the old SVC schools plus Canfield, Poland, and Howland. They are sitting pretty well on local scheduling as is, without a league. Honestly I wouldn’t want to play more than 7 local games. You need at least a few challenges outside the area. Plus honestly who is left to schedule that would be a challenge? Maybe Hubbard?

Howland and Poland aren’t a challenge for a team like Boardman.


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[Football 101]

to say the least
the two ytowns and mooney and ursuline could be a league

it would schedule weeks 8-10 yearly for the schools
thats a start, add two more and 6-10 would be scheduled yearly and that is even better from a scheduling standpoint, certainly 4 & 5 would still be difficult to schedule but not as daunting as a task to fill up 7 weeks where majority of schools in Ohio are in league play.

[EastYoungstown]

Originally Posted by gotti544

With Ursuline and Fitch signing a two year deal, can’t understand why they don’t put the SVC back together with Mooney, Fitch, Boardman, WGH and Ursuline. I can understand East and Chaney not wanting to be part of this, but they can keep there arrangement with Mooney and Ursuline alive with those two just being part of two leagues.

It's not 'official' but it basically is back together.

I don't think East and Chaney will have a problem playing anyone, especially locals.

[bulldog1974]

Originally Posted by ts1227

Columbiana County has in the teens, 13 I believe if you count ones partially in the county (WB, Minerva). Only 3 of those schools are D4 (those are the largest completely in the county, WB is D3 and Minerva D4 as well) and the rest are mostly D6 or D7. It should be half that at most. They looked at it like 10 years ago but it went nowhere.

Eliminate Crestview and their open enrollment, then you would have Columbiana and EP moving up a division comfortably.

[SteelValley]

Originally Posted by EastYoungstown

It's not 'official' but it basically is back together.

I don't think East and Chaney will have a problem playing anyone, especially locals.

I don’t know about this. East backed out of playing Boardman in football this year.

[Spread All Day]

Originally Posted by SteelValley

I don’t know about this. East backed out of playing Boardman in football this year.

Curious to see what they’ll do when they actually have the right kids for the division they’re placed in. Not a d2 team playing for d4 spots.


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[BTrev]

I was looking over the enrollment numbers last night. I think there's a very good chance that Fitch will drop to division 2 this year. So...

Fitch (549) - D2
Boardman (551) - D2
Harding (505) - D2
*East - D4
*Chaney - D4
Ursuline (183) - D4
Mooney (149) - D4 or D5
* = enrollment is TBD

Ursuline and Mooney would actually be in divisions 5 and 6, respectively... if not for their CB numbers. And depending on Mooney's CB number and what the new divisional breakdowns look like, Mooney could even drop to division 5.

[SteelValley]

Wow what happened to Fitch’s#’s. That’s over 100 enrolllment drop. I can’t believe they are same as Boardman who isn’t OE.

Fitch still could be close to D1 depending on how CB #’s impact them.

[BTrev]

Originally Posted by SteelValley

Wow what happened to Fitch’s#’s. That’s over 100 enrolllment drop. I can’t believe they are same as Boardman who isn’t OE.

Fitch still could be close to D1 depending on how CB #’s impact them.

I was surprised Fitch dropped that much, too. From 653 to 549... that's a big drop.
Their CB numbers the last couple years have been 33 and 25, about 4.5% of their base enrollment on average. 4.5% + 549 is only about 574... that's not gonna be enough to keep them in D1.

While on the subject...
Mooney's CB numbers have kept them in D4 the last few years. They would've been in D5. Same for Ursuline. Mooney's average CB number over the last 2 years has been equal to about 39% of their base enrollment. Ursuline's has been about 28%. 149 + 39% is about 207. Which would make Mooney a big D5 or a small D4, depending on the new divisional breakdowns. For Ursuline, 183 + 28% is about 234... so Ursuline should be comfortably in D4.