Fixed my post, did you? I think not. Parochials find ways around the illegal recruitment rules that are not available to publics (scholarships, vouchers, etc.). Canton City Schools is a closed district. It is closed for a very good reason. Publics, unlike parochials, cannot pick and choose their students. Problem students along with special needs students would be sent here in significant numbers from the surrounding suburban districts, and we can't afford the added expense of hiring extra specialised teachers that would be needed.
And it is you and your ilk who are missing the real point. It's called sportsmanship, you know, the 19th century British concept held sacred by amateur sporting bodies, including the OHSAA. It requires everyone to play by the same set of rules. If privates cannot or will not, then it's time for them to split.
At the end of the day, none of your elaborate pontifications on this forum will sway the people who will eventually vote into believing there is fairness in competition, so you might as well throw in the towel. Actually, any public school administrators who would bother reading your arrogant, patronising elaborations of bs, I'm sure, would be more inclined to move for the split. Just sayin'...as a public school fan, i believe it's a safe bet that I'm more in tune with the thinking on this side of the chasm.
By you own admission, logic dictates that if privates are members of the OHSAA, and abide by the rules set forth by this body, they too exhibit sportsmanship.
As a parent of a band member, I would be really angry that I have to pay full price while someone else's kid goes to school for free.
By you own admission, logic dictates that if privates are members of the OHSAA, and abide by the rules set forth by this body, they too exhibit sportsmanship.
As a parent of a band member, I would be really angry that I have to pay full price while someone else's kid goes to school for free.
You speculate that it happens. I know it doesn't.
They don't abide by the same rules. They are arbitrarily circumvented when the need arises. The good Father from St. Francis said as much, and I'm inclined to believe him rather than a guy who hides behind a screen name. They must recruit, and competing with other parochials for students means the targeting of athletes who can raise the school's profile through athletic success.
Btw kids from poor inner-city areas who receive vouchers go for free, don't they?
They don't abid by the same rules. They are arbitrarily circumvented when the need arises. The good Father from St. Francis said as much, and I'm inclined to believe him rather than a guy who hides behind a screen name. They must recruit, and competing with other parochials for students means the targeting of athletes who can raise the school's profile through athletic success.
Btw kids from poor inner-city areas who receive vouchers go for free, don't they?
I hope you all realize that this thread has deteriorated into an argument against one person who either will never change his mind or is arguing simply to get a rise out of the private school supporters. It's probably better to wish him a "Happy Father's Day," and move on to something more productive... like anything.
He's far from nameless... He's the head honcho at Toledo St. Francis High School. Father O...
So with your evidence on Fr. O., you have a good case to bring to the board for violations. If you are so adamant in the unfair application of the rules when it comes to privates, put your money where your mouth in and turn him in. Or, as we all know, you will hide behind your screen name and do nothing but complain about the different set of rules.
I know an administrator at Jefferson that could come up with a long list of students he would be glad to send to St Johns for open enrollment. Lets see how they would do in D-5 on a permanent basis instead of beating up on schools with 35-40 kids on their roster.
What does that have to do with your original post? You said DSJ has an impact on the area, insinuating that we steal all the good athletes from Jefferson and that's why they're not relevant in football. As I said, the kids who go to DSJ and DJ, are the same kids that have gone there for 75+ years. Same families, same names.
If our enrollment rose enough to put us in Div V, that would be GREAT! We'd do just fine.
We beat up on teams with 40, 60 or 80 kids just like Marion Local does. Have you got a problem with them, too? It's not our problem if other teams can't get kids to play.
So with your evidence on Fr. O., you have a good case to bring to the board for violations. If you are so adamant in the unfair application of the rules when it comes to privates, put your money where your mouth in and turn him in. Or, as we all know, you will hide behind your screen name and do nothing but complain about the different set of rules.
I don't need to... they are already well aware. And that's why the proposal for a split is gaining considerable traction. It will be much easier to split than for the OHSAA to use their limited resources untangling endless webs of deceit.
I don't need to... they are already well aware. And that's why the proposal for a split is gaining considerable traction. It will be much easier to split than for the OHSAA to use their limited resources untangling endless webs of deceit.
I don't need to... they are already well aware. And that's why the proposal for a split is gaining considerable traction. It will be much easier to split than for the OHSAA to use their limited resources untangling endless webs of deceit.
It would help your argument more if it was proven true. Now all we have are rumors and allegations. If it is true, prove it. But, we all now it is easier just to rely on hearsay and hide behind your keyboard.
How are OHSAA's resources limited? This is their job.
I'm guessing you've never been to Delphos or know little to nothing about Delphos. The kids that go to DSJ and Jefferson are the same kids that went there 25, 50, 75 years ago. Same names, same families. The kids that graduate from DSJ and DJ start at those schools in kindergarten. Transfers between the schools are few and far between. And if you think parents enroll their kids at DSJ in kindergarten because of the football success, I can't help you.
The difference in football between the two schools starts with coaching and includes competition. Todd Schulte is one of the best coaches in Ohio, any division. And competing against Marion Local, Coldwater, St. Henry, Versailles, Minster, Anna, etc... week after week makes you better.
So, is it a matter of genetics since the same families continue to send generation after generation to DSJ? Or maybe the Catholic kids are just better athletes? Or maybe if the kids at Jefferson would just work harder they'd be in the same class athletically? No, it's coaching, right? Oh, so it's playing in the talent island that is the MAC that makes the difference? Which is it?
By you own admission, logic dictates that if privates are members of the OHSAA, and abide by the rules set forth by this body, they too exhibit sportsmanship.
As a parent of a band member, I would be really angry that I have to pay full price while someone else's kid goes to school for free.
So, is it a matter of genetics since the same families continue to send generation after generation to DSJ? Or maybe the Catholic kids are just better athletes? Or maybe if the kids at Jefferson would just work harder they'd be in the same class athletically? No, it's coaching, right? Oh, so it's playing in the talent island that is the MAC that makes the difference? Which is it?
All of the above, except you forgot one. Private school parents love their children more!
Stizostedion pretty much said it all in his post about the MAC teams. Put them in a major metropolitan area and you wouldn't hear boo from them because half of their players would be at the local private schools.
Thanks. I've made that point for years. Let them exchange places with any number of competitive D4/D5/D6 leagues in NEO and we'd all be talking about that fantastic small school league from NEO. The MAC is on an island. They don't lose talent to private schools because there are relative few nearby, the lone private school pulls talent from the only public nearby, and they don't have to play many powerhouse programs until the the semifinal or final round of the playoffs. The NEO schools on the other hand canibalize each other during the regular season then run into powerhouse programs in the first or second round to the playoffs. That goes for the private school programs too. The MAC schools get the privates after they've been through a brutal D1 style regular season, and after they've come through a brutal region in the postseason, often after their talent pools have been hit by injuries because of the level of competition the NEO privates have been playing.
Thanks. I've made that point for years. Let them exchange places with any number of competitive D4/D5/D6 leagues in NEO and we'd all be talking about that fantastic small school league from NEO.
Do you use intentionally or unintentionally incorrect "facts" to "prove" your point as well?
Thanks. I've made that point for years. Let them exchange places with any number of competitive D4/D5/D6 leagues in NEO and we'd all be talking about that fantastic small school league from NEO. The MAC is on an island. They don't lose talent to private schools because there are relative few nearby, the lone private school pulls talent from the only public nearby, and they don't have to play many powerhouse programs until the the semifinal or final round of the playoffs. The NEO schools on the other hand canibalize each other during the regular season then run into powerhouse programs in the first or second round to the playoffs. That goes for the private school programs too. The MAC schools get the privates after they've been through a brutal D1 style regular season, and after they've come through a brutal region in the postseason, often after their talent pools have been hit by injuries because of the level of competition the NEO privates have been playing.
Wonderful. Trying to make friends across the state, again, I see.
What does that have to do with your original post? You said DSJ has an impact on the area, insinuating that we steal all the good athletes from Jefferson and that's why they're not relevant in football. As I said, the kids who go to DSJ and DJ, are the same kids that have gone there for 75+ years. Same families, same names.
If our enrollment rose enough to put us in Div V, that would be GREAT! We'd do just fine.
We beat up on teams with 40, 60 or 80 kids just like Marion Local does. Have you got a problem with them, too? It's not our problem if other teams can't get kids to play.
From a Mooney guy.....
Great programs....catholic /parochial / Jesuit programs......have much more to offer...
Smart parents see that.
A parents job is to give their kids every opportunity to succeed. That means "A".....little sacrifice on their part. Maybe buy a smaller house, maybe buy the Honda car instead of the Mercedes.....maybe give up the "CLUB" membership.....for your kids. Maybe sacrifice.....a little.
Personally having graduating from a great parochial school in Youngstown,......I would sacrifice anything to send my kids to a "catholic" ?MOONEY.
Discipline, respect......(alumni relations)......the common bond......which helps you and your kid.....20-30 years down the road ( in the business world).
Catholics and parochial kids succeed in life don't they?......And they help each other.....down the road.....because they have that common bond.
So, is it a matter of genetics since the same families continue to send generation after generation to DSJ? Or maybe the Catholic kids are just better athletes? Or maybe if the kids at Jefferson would just work harder they'd be in the same class athletically? No, it's coaching, right? Oh, so it's playing in the talent island that is the MAC that makes the difference? Which is it?
It's tradition. It's loyalty. It's Catholic families wanting their children to have a Catholic education. That's why people send their kids to DSJ. When they enroll them in kindergarten, football, or sports in general for that matter, does not play a role.
If I had to pick one aspect that has the most effect, it's coaching. And that's the same for Marion Local in football, St. Henry in volleyball, Coldwater in baseball, etc... These are great coaches who work with very coachable kids who buy into their system totally. And yeah, playing against great competition in the MAC week after week makes you even stronger.
DSJ has no more talented athletes than DJ. Heck, all of our football players play together on the four Delphos midget football teams. And there are plenty of Catholic kids at Jefferson, as well.
DSJ is in the middle of the MAC pack as far as athletic success goes. Most of the other PUBLIC schools are far more successful than we in winning MAC titles and even state titles.
did an article on Kenton...in the article it includes how Coldwater and St John's both improved after they left the WBL for the MAC, especially in football... quite interesting how it changed both schools for the positive.
I do know from school sources that both Lehman and LCC were turned down for expansion membership when Versailles was added...lucky for DSJ they entered when they did.
The above is how the Publics handle the private issue...LCC will be leaving the NWC...publics vs private...
Is it right or wrong...good arguments on both sides
It would help your argument more if it was proven true. Now all we have are rumors and allegations. If it is true, prove it. But, we all now it is easier just to rely on hearsay and hide behind your keyboard.
How are OHSAA's resources limited? This is their job.
This is not a court of law, and I don't need to prove that organised crime exists in Ohio to know it exists. If you think that Catholic priests are habitual liars (you've said as much about Father O), then the proof gets a wee bit harder.
What does that have to do with your original post? You said DSJ has an impact on the area, insinuating that we steal all the good athletes from Jefferson and that's why they're not relevant in football. As I said, the kids who go to DSJ and DJ, are the same kids that have gone there for 75+ years. Same families, same names.
If our enrollment rose enough to put us in Div V, that would be GREAT! We'd do just fine.
We beat up on teams with 40, 60 or 80 kids just like Marion Local does. Have you got a problem with them, too? It's not our problem if other teams can't get kids to play.
Which original post is that?
It is a fact that the same families have gone to DSJ for 75+ years. It is also a fact that those families are from many communities outside of the Jefferson school district, including Van Wert, Ottoville, Spencerville, and points between.
This is not a court of law, and I don't need to prove that organised crime exists in Ohio to know it exists. If you think that Catholic priests are habitual liars (you've said as much about Father O), then the proof gets a wee bit harder.
Organised crime has been proven. We all know that it exists. That was stupid comparison.
All I want is proof. And if you blindly believe what a man says, priest or not, you have proven to be a very gullible man.
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