Oh wow........another public/private school debate thread, how original..... I am sure all the old cliches will be reused in this thread. Just like they have been rehashed in the last 1000 threads on this topic.
Some do, some don't. There are plenty that are mediocre year in and year out.
A very small number % wise.
In every major Ohio city there are mid level private schools who dominate the competition in their area.
Make a list of the best non D1 teams in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, and Youngstown. In most years it's going to be a private school.
In every major Ohio city there are mid level private schools who dominate the competition in their area.
Make a list of the best non D1 teams in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, and Youngstown. In most years it's going to be a private school.
No it's not. Non D1 privates in Cincinnati aren't very good.
no one else dominates the lower divisions like the MAC. Perhaps we shouldnt gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum to kick out the private schools...we should just kick out the MAC.
That way the other conferences have a chance. It takes a special group and talent like Ursuline the last few years to derail that train.
I am not a fan of a MAC team, but I have had to scout them for potential playoff pairings multiple times (once to Maria Stein and once to Coldwater). Its absolutely incredible.
I'm sorry, but the whole private-public debate ends when you bring up that the most dominant small school conference is derived of mostly publics. Even Delphos St Johns isnt a school that draws from a large community. Heck, thats more of a public school in the fact that the boys go there from kindergarden...its not picking athletes from a large talent pool.
Make a list of the best non D1 teams in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, and Youngstown. In most years it's going to be a private school.
Depends on your definition. There are very few non-D1 schools in Columbus proper. If you pick a reasonable distance (say an hour's drive), I'll see your DeSales, Watty, Nerk Cath and raise you a West Jeff, Pleasant, Licking Valley, Big Walnut, and one or more of Brookhaven, Beechcroft, Walnut Ridge, Eastmoor, etc. who will make the playoffs and often advance. Sub-D1 privates and publics compete at a comparable level in the Central Ohio area.
no one else dominates the lower divisions like the MAC. Perhaps we shouldnt gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum to kick out the private schools...we should just kick out the MAC.
That way the other conferences have a chance. It takes a special group and talent like Ursuline the last few years to derail that train.
I am not a fan of a MAC team, but I have had to scout them for potential playoff pairings multiple times (once to Maria Stein and once to Coldwater). Its absolutely incredible.
I'm sorry, but the whole private-public debate ends when you bring up that the most dominant small school conference is derived of mostly publics. Even Delphos St Johns isnt a school that draws from a large community. Heck, thats more of a public school in the fact that the boys go there from kindergarden...its not picking athletes from a large talent pool.
stop the madness...
Most complainers just turn a blind eye to those facts
They have no answer for why the MAC can do it, and their team can't
They rather sit at their computer screen and make excuses
That's because the D-1 privates in Cincinnati suck everybody up.
Theres alot of truth in this statement. Some stay close to home and play for the smaller Catholic high schools but 7 of 10 good athletes will look at d1 first.
Bacon, McNick, Badin all have had good seasons recently, I believe all 3 were in the post season just 2 years ago. Badin and McNick have some good talent in the lower grades that might translate into good seasons in the near future.
Is there still a need to reiterate the same points? Does anyone think that any argument repeated over and over will cause a change of heart? Oh well you can keep going, because you know that eventually it will turn into a thread about St. X anyway.
no one else dominates the lower divisions like the MAC. Perhaps we shouldnt gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum to kick out the private schools...we should just kick out the MAC.
That way the other conferences have a chance. It takes a special group and talent like Ursuline the last few years to derail that train.
I am not a fan of a MAC team, but I have had to scout them for potential playoff pairings multiple times (once to Maria Stein and once to Coldwater). Its absolutely incredible.
I'm sorry, but the whole private-public debate ends when you bring up that the most dominant small school conference is derived of mostly publics. Even Delphos St Johns isnt a school that draws from a large community. Heck, thats more of a public school in the fact that the boys go there from kindergarden...its not picking athletes from a large talent pool.
stop the madness...
Well said. The facts can't be ignored.
I love watching St.Johns EXECUTE. I enjoy sitting and watching a championship game with Maria Stein Marion Local in it. (I know I'll see excellent football in all respects). Coldwater is as well coached as any team in the state. Great job by Otten....keeping the tradition alive. That's no small task there. He followed a legend.
The MAC gets it.....and they are fun to watch....if you like execution.
In every major Ohio city there are mid level private schools who dominate the competition in their area.
Make a list of the best non D1 teams in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, and Youngstown. In most years it's going to be a private school.
Well in Akron most years I think its usually a toss up between Walsh,STVM,Copley,Buchtel and Tallmadge. And some years Hoban but not recently though.
no one else dominates the lower divisions like the MAC. Perhaps we shouldnt gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum to kick out the private schools...we should just kick out the MAC.
That way the other conferences have a chance. It takes a special group and talent like Ursuline the last few years to derail that train.
I am not a fan of a MAC team, but I have had to scout them for potential playoff pairings multiple times (once to Maria Stein and once to Coldwater). Its absolutely incredible.
I'm sorry, but the whole private-public debate ends when you bring up that the most dominant small school conference is derived of mostly publics. Even Delphos St Johns isnt a school that draws from a large community. Heck, thats more of a public school in the fact that the boys go there from kindergarden...its not picking athletes from a large talent pool.
stop the madness...
Let me start by saying I'm a private school guy. What don't the MAC schools have to contend with that small schools close to urban areas do? Private schools. They keep their best talent at home. The only private school in the MAC is Delphos St. John. When was the last time Delphos Jefferson was relevant in football? Think that doesn't have an impact in Delphos. The rest of the MAC schools have been blessed in recent years with an abundance of talent. You can talk about hard work, discipline, and coaching but they'll only get you so far. Talent trumps all. In Divisions 4-5-6 all it takes is one or two top level players to made the difference because the talent pools at those levels are small. That's what makes the difference at private schools in urban areas too. They can concentrate talent while playing schools where the pools are thinner. Region plays a big part in it too. The MAC schools often aren't playing the private schools until they get to a semifinal or final. The smaller schools in regions dominated by private schools seem to be the ones doing the most griping. That's because they lose talent to private schools, then get their heads handed to them by the privates if they're fortunate enough to make the playoffs. Are there exceptions? Sure. But most of the time that's the scenario.
Let me start by saying I'm a private school guy. What don't the MAC schools have to contend with that small schools close to urban areas do? Private schools. They keep their best talent at home. The only private school in the MAC is Delphos St. John. When was the last time Delphos Jefferson was relevant in football? Think that doesn't have an impact in Delphos. The rest of the MAC schools have been blessed in recent years with an abundance of talent. You can talk about hard work, discipline, and coaching but they'll only get you so far. Talent trumps all. In Divisions 4-5-6 all it takes is one or two top level players to made the difference because the talent pools at those levels are small. That's what makes the difference at private schools in urban areas too. They can concentrate talent while playing schools where the pools are thinner. Region plays a big part in it too. The MAC schools often aren't playing the private schools until they get to a semifinal or final. The smaller schools in regions dominated by private schools seem to be the ones doing the most griping. That's because they lose talent to private schools, then get their heads handed to them by the privates if they're fortunate enough to make the playoffs. Are there exceptions? Sure. But most of the time that's the scenario.
If the public schools started to build a better program with better execution, more discipline and hard work instead of b!tching all the time, they wouldn't lose the talent you speak of to the private schools.
Oh by the way weren't there 5 public school champs this past season out of 6.
Yea, it's the same old story, the ones that have all the advantages want to keep the status quo, so they spit out the same lines..."work harder, blah, blah, blah...build a better program, blah, blah, blah...more discipline, blah, blah, blah".
Stizostedion pretty much said it all in his post about the MAC teams. Put them in a major metropolitan area and you wouldn't hear boo from them because half of their players would be at the local private schools.
Yea, it's the same old story, the ones that have all the advantages want to keep the status quo, so they spit out the same lines..."work harder, blah, blah, blah...build a better program, blah, blah, blah...more discipline, blah, blah, blah".
Stizostedion pretty much said it all in his post about the MAC teams. Put them in a major metropolitan area and you wouldn't hear boo from them because half of their players would be at the local private schools.
In the Toledo area you have the following good teams. Which teams do you think win the majority of the matches against one another?
Public
Whitmer
Sylvania Southview
Findlay
Maumee
Genoa
Eastwood
Private
Toldeo St. Johns
Toledo Central Catholic
Toledo St. Francis
Cardinal Strich
Toledo Christian
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