Withrow is in Hyde park, close to walnut and on the east side of Cincinnati,
I don't know if that was meant for me but I know exactly where Withrow and Walnut Hills is and I know every street in Walnut Hills, E. Walnut Hills, Evanston, and Hyde Park. Those are my running areas at work. Withrow may be in Hyde Park but there are not many kids that attend Withrow who live in Hyde Park. My wife is a Cincinnati Public School employee and former head coach within the district, so I do have a little insight into Cincinnati Public Schools and its athletics and into the City of Cincinnati, in general.
I also coached in CPS. My point was they are an eastside school, no one ever said to be an ecc school you had to be a school in the suburbs
I don't remember anyone saying that you had to be a eastside school either. But it doesn't matter the ECC got their school and there is nothing left but to get geared up for the upcoming school year. I am glad that Withrow is in, its going to give those kids some different experiences. Most of them don't have any idea where Glen Este, Milford, etc. are even located. Its going to be good for them.
Now wait a minute. I am glad that Withrow was accepted, but I dont believe they are a good fit. Withrow will always be viewed by other charter members of the ECC as the school that doesnt belong. Have you ever heard the expression "the quiet majority". Its parents from ECC schools thinking "what the hell are we doing?" but you will never hear from them. And when Withrow starts collecting league championships, whats going to be the attitude towards the Tigers then?
....a dominant team that will be a challenge to play in hoops?
Stupid? I never noticed a "significant" outpouring for Withrow. I just noticed a couple of Yappi posters congratulating Withrow after the fact. I don't think Withrow is a good fit because its a total basketball mismatch and its located in the city limits and not the eastern suburbs. A couple of the same reasons that I didn't think Winton Woods was a good fit. But besides that I am totally happy for Withrow to have this opportunity.
The reason that people remain quiet is because their reasoning may not be wholesome and choose not to spread negativity. If you don't believe that happens then you are naive. But the good thing is that kids, these days are much more tolerable of differences. To a point that kids even imitate kids that are different than they.
I don't think withrow is a huge basketball mismatch. In the last 3 seasons, withrow is3-0 vs ecc schools with an average margin of victory 8 points.
The teams they beat we're middle of the road teams in the fact those years. Assuming withrow doesn't explode with transfers, even though they might be favorites, I don't think it will be a mismatch across the board.
Stupid? I never noticed a "significant" outpouring for Withrow. I just noticed a couple of Yappi posters congratulating Withrow after the fact. I don't think Withrow is a good fit because its a total basketball mismatch and its located in the city limits and not the eastern suburbs. A couple of the same reasons that I didn't think Winton Woods was a good fit. But besides that I am totally happy for Withrow to have this opportunity.
The reason that people remain quiet is because their reasoning may not be wholesome and choose not to spread negativity. If you don't believe that happens then you are naive. But the good thing is that kids, these days are much more tolerable of differences. To a point that kids even imitate kids that are different than they.
Um, you do realize that Walnut Hills is also in the city limits and not in a suburb.
Not sure if I want to say that you are the moron....but you are for sure wrong about the JH connections. Part of the league should be setting up opportunities for the Junior High programs too. All 7 in the ECC have JH programs, with Turpin and Anderson sharing Nagel Middle School, which is a large one.
Not having jr. High programs sure doesn't seem to have much of a negative impact on the GCL. Sharing a middle school with your rival is no where near the same as having the middle school or junior high school that feeds into the high school in the other districts.
I don't know if that was meant for me but I know exactly where Withrow and Walnut Hills is and I know every street in Walnut Hills, E. Walnut Hills, Evanston, and Hyde Park. Those are my running areas at work. Withrow may be in Hyde Park but there are not many kids that attend Withrow who live in Hyde Park. My wife is a Cincinnati Public School employee and former head coach within the district, so I do have a little insight into Cincinnati Public Schools and its athletics and into the City of Cincinnati, in general.
Then you also know that there aren't many kids that attend Walnut Hills that live in Walnut Hills either. My son goes to Walnut and damn near lives in Indiana. What does what neighborhood the kids live in have to do with whether or not the school is a good fit?
VERY TRUE ; LOCKTON HAD A GOOD ATHLETIC DEPT . AND NOT MANY KIDS LIVED IN LOCKTON LOCK TON HS HAD OPEN ENROLLMENT ??? COACH JIM PLACE WILL LEAD THE TIGERS TO VICTORY IN THE ECC ... . WINTON WOODS WILL HAVE NO LEAGUE FOR YEARS . WITHROW HAS PLAYED TEAMS LIKE ANDERSON AND MILFORD IN HOOP FOR YEARS ;; I WAS YOUNG AND SAW A GREAT GAME AT THE OLD COUNTER TECH . IN 65 0R 66; WHEN A F.BEASON WITHROW TEAM BATTLE D MILFORD WITH DAN SLUSSHER AND KENNY MEIBERS JR . ;;; A CLOSE GAME ; I THINK WITHROW WON . ??? WINTON WOODS SHOULD BE PLAYING PRINCETON , COLERAIN , MIDDLETOWN , HAMILTON , FAIRFIELD . TEAMS LIKE THAT .. NOT TURPIN OR AMELIA OR GLEN ESTE . MUCH LESS NORWOOD ETC.
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WINTON WOODS SHOULD BE PLAYING PRINCETON , COLERAIN , MIDDLETOWN , HAMILTON , FAIRFIELD . TEAMS LIKE THAT .. NOT TURPIN OR AMELIA OR GLEN ESTE . MUCH LESS NORWOOD ETC.
Why do you say this? Because of where they are located geographically? I do agree with you especially about Norwood. They have only won 6 league football games since 2005. Playing them wouldn't be in any teams best interest.
THIs IS WHAT I MEANT ;;; WINTON WOODS SHOULD PLAY PRINCETON , COLERAIN , FAIRFIELD, MIDDLETOWN , ANd HAMILTON , MAYBE LAKOTA WEST . NATURAL RIVALS ; close to each and they will do fine against these schools ;; playing those east side schools makes no sense to me ,, princeton would be a big rival; not milford or glen este ;;just my feelings ;
THIs IS WHAT I MEANT ;;; WINTON WOODS SHOULD PLAY PRINCETON , COLERAIN , FAIRFIELD, MIDDLETOWN , ANd HAMILTON , MAYBE LAKOTA WEST . NATURAL RIVALS ; close to each and they will do fine against these schools ;; playing those east side schools makes no sense to me ,, princeton would be a big rival; not milford or glen este ;;just my feelings ;
Problem with that is in order to be a member of the GMC you must be div 1.
THIs IS WHAT I MEANT ;;; WINTON WOODS SHOULD PLAY PRINCETON , COLERAIN , FAIRFIELD, MIDDLETOWN , ANd HAMILTON , MAYBE LAKOTA WEST . NATURAL RIVALS ; close to each and they will do fine against these schools ;; playing those east side schools makes no sense to me ,, princeton would be a big rival; not milford or glen este ;;just my feelings ;
I think I understand your point and agree with it. To me, this independent status allows for more flexibilty scheduling. I don't think its a matter of GMC schools wanting to play WW, those schools have league commitments, but you will start seeing more of the matchups you are referring to. WW does not have to be in the GMC to schedule games against those schools. The Warriors are playing GWOC, GCL and GMC schools (amongst others) this season. IMO, there's nothing bad about it thus far. This is an opportunity for REAL RESPECT. My fellow WW supporters feelings are a little hurt because of the perception of how things went down, but such is life. Don't use it as an excuse not to flourish. As I was leaving the high school stadium this morning (ran two whole miles), I witnessed 51 young men (I counted them) come busting out the athletic building and started attacking the stadium stairs like they were in military boot camp or something. WW has a virginia ham under their arm and crying because there is no bread.
ron; well put ;;i sgree ;; i think in the long run it will really help winton woods overall sports program . would love to see them play princeton in everything boys and girls ;; both ad s campbell and croley were great players at princeton hs ; they are friends; ;; so maybe this will happean
ron; well put ;;i sgree ;; i think in the long run it will really help winton woods overall sports program . would love to see them play princeton in everything boys and girls ;; both ad s campbell and croley were great players at princeton hs ; they are friends; ;; so maybe this will happean
I dont think it will help the overall sports but Football, girls and boys basketball, and maybe wrestling (because they can compete against competition they never have before). We will see as contracted home and home games end for different schools. I would love to play Princeton and Mt. Healthy in football.
As I understand, Withrow will continue to schedule CMAC teams, particularily Basketball season. Additionally....you're right....Withrow has played many of those teams in the past in league competition, so what's the big deal, again?
The big deal? I'm not sure I understand what you are asking...As far as the CMAC goes, with Withrow leaving the league may not survive. CPS (Dierker) has not managed the league well at all. The top school in the league leaving a struggling league with few resources is not good for the district. I think rivalries
are a big deal. Ok in basketball they have the time to schedule CPS schools but I know they won't in football, which will kill the others because the district has not made sure the programs are all solvent (another topic). Dierker says he may look at talking to DPS...Really? A few years ago that idea was trashed because it was too costly to travel back and forth. Last time I checked gas hasn't gotten any cheaper...(ask Withrow's band that can't travel to away games). I don't have a problem with Withrow playing any of the ECC schools, as I said when I played there we were in a similar league and we did quite well. I was on the the infamous 10-0 no place to go Withrow team. So maybe you misunderstood me.
The big deal? I'm not sure I understand what you are asking...As far as the CMAC goes, with Withrow leaving the league may not survive. CPS (Dierker) has not managed the league well at all. The top school in the league leaving a struggling league with few resources is not good for the district. I think rivalries
are a big deal. Ok in basketball they have the time to schedule CPS schools but I know they won't in football, which will kill the others because the district has not made sure the programs are all solvent (another topic). Dierker says he may look at talking to DPS...Really? A few years ago that idea was trashed because it was too costly to travel back and forth. Last time I checked gas hasn't gotten any cheaper...(ask Withrow's band that can't travel to away games). I don't have a problem with Withrow playing any of the ECC schools, as I said when I played there we were in a similar league and we did quite well. I was on the the infamous 10-0 no place to go Withrow team. So maybe you misunderstood me.
I did....I didn't see the big deal about Withrow playing the current ECC schools because as you previously stated, Withrow in was a similar league in the past. And I do agree....Withrow's departure does potentially spell trouble for CPS, sadly.
I think I understand your point and agree with it. To me, this independent status allows for more flexibilty scheduling. I don't think its a matter of GMC schools wanting to play WW, those schools have league commitments, but you will start seeing more of the matchups you are referring to. WW does not have to be in the GMC to schedule games against those schools. The Warriors are playing GWOC, GCL and GMC schools (amongst others) this season. IMO, there's nothing bad about it thus far. This is an opportunity for REAL RESPECT. My fellow WW supporters feelings are a little hurt because of the perception of how things went down, but such is life. Don't use it as an excuse not to flourish. As I was leaving the high school stadium this morning (ran two whole miles), I witnessed 51 young men (I counted them) come busting out the athletic building and started attacking the stadium stairs like they were in military boot camp or something. WW has a virginia ham under their arm and crying because there is no bread.
I agree that there is definitely a chance to flourish here. But, what happens if the Warriors stutter and start looking the way they did back in pre 2005 years? Will these same schools that are scheduling them now, still want to schedule them then? As long as WW stays competitive, I agree with what you are saying - but if they start to slip, that virginia ham they're carry turns into kentucky roundsteak. That's when the bread (a league) comes in handy with having games already on the schedule.
I did....I didn't see the big deal about Withrow playing the current ECC schools because as you previously stated, Withrow in was a similar league in the past. And I do agree....Withrow's departure does potentially spell trouble for CPS, sadly.
Dierker sold the CMAC out! He worked in the Mount Healthy SD before getting the CPS AD position. Before he came Walnut Hills played in the old QCC with the rest of the CPS and were competitive. He doing a 1984 move trying to destroy the CMAC just like its former PHSL. Where's the tradition and loyalty?
Dierker sold the CMAC out! He worked in the Mount Healthy SD before getting the CPS AD position. Before he came Walnut Hills played in the old QCC with the rest of the CPS and were competitive. He doing a 1984 move trying to destroy the CMAC just like its former PHSL. Where's the tradition and loyalty?
I agree that there is definitely a chance to flourish here. But, what happens if the Warriors stutter and start looking the way they did back in pre 2005 years? Will these same schools that are scheduling them now, still want to schedule them then? As long as WW stays competitive, I agree with what you are saying - but if they start to slip, that virginia ham they're carry turns into kentucky roundsteak. That's when the bread (a league) comes in handy with having games already on the schedule.
You are right. Dont remember Warriors being too bad pre 2005. But not being competitive is not an option and like I stated before alot of people are talking up the 2014 and 2016 classes, we shall see what the whole WW athletic programs are really made of.
You are right. Dont remember Warriors being too bad pre 2005. But not being competitive is not an option and like I stated before alot of people are talking up the 2014 and 2016 classes, we shall see what the whole WW athletic programs are really made of.
They weren't too bad pre-2005. Just meant they have been competitive enough to make the playoffs on a regular basis since then (with the exception of last year).
They weren't too bad pre-2005. Just meant they have been competitive enough to make the playoffs on a regular basis since then (with the exception of last year).
Ok, I see. Remember they were D1 and did make the post season a couple times. I remember one season when the Warriors had Coach Parker, Brandon Miree, Wiz White, the Bol twins. That team was one of the best ever teams and loss in the D1 playoffs to St. X. and St.X went on to play in the state title game.
LOCK TON HS HAD OPEN ENROLLMENT ??? COACH JIM PLACE WILL LEAD THE TIGERS TO VICTORY IN THE ECC ...
. WINTON WOODS WILL HAVE NO LEAGUE FOR YEARS . 
), I witnessed 51 young men (I counted them) come busting out the athletic building and started attacking the stadium stairs like they were in military boot camp or something. WW has a virginia ham under their arm and crying because there is no bread.
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