Is there any more worthless football exercise than the 7-on-7?
No.
If you have no lines, and no pass rush, you don't have normal timing and vision in the passing game. Add in that you have no threat of the run, that takes away any mystery for the defense. And then we have the players who can do it all in shorts and t-shirts, but get alligator arms when real football is played.
Even when Avon does them down at Mt. Union every year against quality teams like Massillon, I don't find much to get excited about in 7 on 7's.
If you have no lines, and no pass rush, you don't have normal timing and vision in the passing game. Add in that you have no threat of the run, that takes away any mystery for the defense. And then we have the players who can do it all in shorts and t-shirts, but get alligator arms when real football is played.
Even when Avon does them down at Mt. Union every year against quality teams like Massillon, I don't find much to get excited about in 7 on 7's.
I'm not even sure that Massillon will be at Mt. Union this year -- for just those reasons. If they do go, it will be more as a team-building exercise than to gain any meaningful work in the 7-on-7's.
I do know that Hall is not a big fan of the concept and Massillon hasn't announced any other 7-on-7's.
I'm not even sure that Massillon will be at Mt. Union this year -- for just those reasons. If they do go, it will be more as a team-building exercise than to gain any meaningful work in the 7-on-7's.
I do know that Hall is not a big fan of the concept and Massillon hasn't announced any other 7-on-7's.
It seems the Mount Union 7 on 7's are more of a reunion ritual for the ex-Mount Union guys that are now HS coaches, so my guess is Hall will be there again to participate with his buddies. Since they do separate practices on their own, and do the 7 on 7's later in the day, I see it as more of a team-building thing. Once again, my guess is that Hall and the Tigers will be there again.
For the one that thinks 7 on 7 is worthless, I guess you did not see the article where the QB's from the state of Texas, were talking about how much it helped them. Now these are guys like Luck, RG3, and Tannehill. Thats 3 1st round picks talking about how it helped prepare them. I think any chance you get to coaching time with your kids and have them compete is never a waste of time.
For the one that thinks 7 on 7 is worthless, I guess you did not see the article where the QB's from the state of Texas, were talking about how much it helped them. Now these are guys like Luck, RG3, and Tannehill. Thats 3 1st round picks talking about how it helped prepare them. I think any chance you get to coaching time with your kids and have them compete is never a waste of time.
I can see value in QB's and receivers running routes and throwing the football, but that doesn't require organized activities with coaches.
It's wonderful those QB's felt it helped them, but they all obviously proved the could play the position in a real football setting, and not just 7 on 7's. We have no way of knowing if the 7 on 7 sessions were any more helpful than one live 11 on 11, really.
Anytime you get to compete as a group vs some one other then your own team you are going to get better.
To each his own, but I don't see much value in it, since it doesn't even come close to game conditions. Huron, a very successful D4 program in Erie County, doesn't use them...and they've run a spread offense for several decades, long before it was popular. Their passing attack is always very productive. Their coach, Tony Legando, doesn't do 7 on 7's because they don't feel it approximates football enough. They use their contact time for other stuff. If a coach wants to use them, though, go for it.
For every "Huron" that doesn't use it, I can name you 20 schools that do.
It most certainly is beneficial. It allows players to learn/enhance their knowledge of the passing game as well as the pass coverages. It enhances a QB's timing/mechanics/decision making/cohesion with WR's...etc. It enhances ball skills for WR/DB's.
For every "Huron" that doesn't use it, I can name you 20 schools that do.
It most certainly is beneficial. It allows players to learn/enhance their knowledge of the passing game as well as the pass coverages. It enhances a QB's timing/mechanics/decision making/cohesion with WR's...etc. It enhances ball skills for WR/DB's.
If it is so beneficial to a football player's development, how come we routinely see teams win summer 7 on 7's that finish with losing records during the regular season?
I think coaches at all levels of football, including the NFL, grossly over-coach and make a simple game much more difficult than it should be.
You have to think about the DB's and linebackers. This helps them learn how to cover the pass . I personally think it helps them more then the offense. However it helps the qb work on there accuracy and helps the recievers look the ball and and catch it. It might not work on helping against pass rush and all hat but it does help a lot of things. It also helps the players just being players . You ont get a real game until August so it's always nice to compete against someone other then your team
Is there any more worthless football exercise than the 7-on-7?
Ive actually watched the idiot secondary coach at Winton Woods make changes to his depth chart based on this silly excercise. He actullay took a 145 jr cb and switched him to SAFETY. It was quite embarrassing. By the end of the season, he had sophmores playing Cb and at safety! No wonder they gave up 5 td's against Anderson-to the same player no less.
He was completely confused and overwhelmed all year and it started with this 7 on 7 nonsense.
Ive actually watched the idiot secondary coach at Winton Woods make changes to his depth chart based on this silly excercise. He actullay took a 145 jr cb and switched him to SAFETY. It was quite embarrassing. By the end of the season, he had sophmores playing Cb and at safety! No wonder they gave up 5 td's against Anderson-to the same player no less.
He was completely confused and overwhelmed all year and it started with this 7 on 7 nonsense.
That Sophomore safety was first team all FAVC, last season. He was not an issue. But I do question some of the technique being taught and the inability to tackle in the secondary. I think that 7 on 7 are contributing to poor open field tackling a bit.
Do you know if this 145lb corner/safety is playing football this season?
Judging by your response, you clearly had issues regarding the secondary and its coaching as well-well at least with 3 out of the four positions given your mentioning of only the 1st teamer.
This is what happens when you give a young men(who happens to be your friends) a ball cap and head set. They think that they are really competent coaches, though the results may speak otherwise.
The tackling wasnt the issue with this team, nor the talent. Its simply the coaching.
A lot of kids left the program last year, again thats coaching.
Walnut Hills beat them at home last year. That same team lost 60-6 to Colerain. Thats coaching.
When you lose control of the team this is the result.
"ghetto coaches produce ghetto environments and ghetto teams"
Eradicate the ghetto element within the program and this teams wins period.
Lead by example, implement a sound unwavering disciplinary policy and this team wins.
As a Texan who has sat through a couple of 7on7 tournaments this month and many over the years...is it IMPORTANT??? no, but I don't think it hurts. It helps timing between Qb's and Wr's...and it really helps DB's because they normally are one on one with some of the top WR's in the state. From what I've seen, the teams that are usually great at 7on7 are teams full of athletes and they just play glorifed flag football....teams like Katy, Slc, Lake Travis...usually don't do well in 7on7 because they actually run plays that they use in the season... SLC was horrible in 7on7, yet they won the state title. Katy is a run oriented team, Andy Dalton(Bengals), Bo Levi Mitchell(Calgary, CFL) and recently Brooks Haacks(ULL) all got looks in 7on7. Also, keeps kids in shape, out of trouble, team chemistry, bonding and you forget how competitve teenage boys are...they LOVE it. Texas has a huge tournament, NCAA bracket style...you have weekly SQT's(State Qualifying Tournaments) and the top two from each SQT qualify for the State Tournament in College Station. just saying...it dosent hurt:
my dad say they better off playing with sprinklers and hoses cause this types of game aint nothing but powder puff. if you dont hit then you dont get better. i think gang green should just stop playing these to. i seen where some schools dont even do thes.
7x7 is a lot like summer basketball leagues. Its a nice way of getting the kids together and building some cohesiveness through reps but it really doesnt mean a whole lot. I hear kids brag about how they beat other teams in 7x7, but in reality once you put the pass rush on, the blocking, the pads, the actual hitting...thats where the real game is. Its rather easy to complete passes when you have no one bearing down on you and its rather easy to catch passes when you know no one is coming to knock your block off.
But I see nothing wrong with the 7x7. Its always good to be out there with your teammates.
To some it's important, to others, not so...football is pretty much year round down here.....Spring Ball, 7on7, strength and conditioning.....next thing you know...it's August
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