Colerain returns exactly 3 starters on defense, graduated its punter and place kicker and its top two weapons on offense are returning after major knee surgeries...
And if that wasnt a tough enough mountain to climb, coach Bolden says they will likely have to play multiple kids both ways this season...
While I do believe they are a top 8 R4 playoff team, I have to question Bluebomber's choice to pick them number 1.
Colerain will have a legit offense but the first three weeks will be hard enough if LA and Davis were not coming off ACL sugery.
I have faith in the coaches and trainers that they will get this team to the playoffs but it will be an uphill climb and I would still say X is number 1.
I think your confusing things. Ballenger was not a 2 year starter. He mad a couple appearances as a junior, but not a ton. Frey was on varsity all year just didnt play a lot early. Rumpke and Brinkman did not play anymore because Ballenger got hurt. The guy who received more PT due to the injury was Frey(every down) and Cam Dunn.
Didn't they consider him one of the returning starters on offense (8 of them)? I thought returning was:
QB
RB
3 WRs (I could have sworn they were talking about him)
TE
2 OL
Colerain returns exactly 3 starters on defense, graduated its punter and place kicker and its top two weapons on offense are returning after major knee surgeries...
And if that wasnt a tough enough mountain to climb, coach Bolden says they will likely have to play multiple kids both ways this season...
While I do believe they are a top 8 R4 playoff team, I have to question Bluebomber's choice to pick them number 1.
Colerain will have a legit offense but the first three weeks will be hard enough if LA and Davis were not coming off ACL sugery.
I have faith in the coaches and trainers that they will get this team to the playoffs but it will be an uphill climb and I would still say X is number 1.
Very well stated H&G. The Cardinals have a very, very tough row to hoe and given what both St. Xavier and Moeller have coming back, plus with Jalin Marshall getting a full year under his belt in their new system, I honestly can't see Colerain starting any higher than 3, maybe even 4 in the City alone. I have no idea what the GWOC and the rest of Dayton bring to the table in 2012 but there is a real possibility there is a team from that neck of the woods better than Colerain to start the season.
As I've said before...it's Moeller's region to lose. They had the talent last year and they found a way to lose it. Hopefully with Madaris gone, they will focus more on doing what they do best...run the football until someone stops that massive road-grading offensive line.
No way Elder should be in the top 10. I don't care who they played against last year they never made the plays they had to to get the wins. They may have quite a few kids coming back but they are the same kids who were on the 2-8 team and were freshmen and sophomores the year before when they had another losing season. They need to prove something before ever being ranked that high and that is that they know how to win.
It will either be last year's tailback, junior Greg Simpson, who was 3-4 for 93 yards and a touchdown on halfback passes last year, or senior Joey Gruden, who is a Moeller transfer and Jay Gruden's son. Expect an offense similar to last year's with a lot of running out of the shotgun. The Aves also return two other capable backs in Markus James and Alex Tillman as well as their top two targets on the outside in Mason Morgan and Caleb Colletts.
No way Elder should be in the top 10. I don't care who they played against last year they never made the plays they had to to get the wins. They may have quite a few kids coming back but they are the same kids who were on the 2-8 team and were freshmen and sophomores the year before when they had another losing season. They need to prove something before ever being ranked that high and that is that they know how to win.
You have a valid point but if not Elder then who? To me after a top 5 the rest are a toss up, especially this early. My top 5 would be
1. Moe
2. Wayne
3. Colerain
4. St. X
5. Centerville
I also think that Lakota East, Mason, Sycamore, Loveland, Elder, Princeton could all be decent. What is the status of the Centerville head coach, is it the same coach?
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Centerville coach returns with staff. Elks should be solid on both sides in the trenches. New starting backfield will be the interesting component. Freshman & reserve teams the past 2 years have been only once beaten, or unbeaten, so the newer talent appears to be in place. I personally believe this team will be better overall than last year, despite graduating McGowan & Thomas.
No way Elder should be in the top 10. I don't care who they played against last year they never made the plays they had to to get the wins. They may have quite a few kids coming back but they are the same kids who were on the 2-8 team and were freshmen and sophomores the year before when they had another losing season. They need to prove something before ever being ranked that high and that is that they know how to win.
Valid point but no preseason poll takes the previous seasons into consideration. Nor should they nor have they ever. Otherwise it would be as so:
1. St. X
2. Moeller
3. Colerain
4. Middletown
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No way St. X is #1 with only 8 returning starters.
Keep in mind, this was just my opinion and I'm sure the real poll, when released, will differ from my list.
No way Elder should be in the top 10. I don't care who they played against last year they never made the plays they had to to get the wins. They may have quite a few kids coming back but they are the same kids who were on the 2-8 team and were freshmen and sophomores the year before when they had another losing season. They need to prove something before ever being ranked that high and that is that they know how to win.
They have good talent returning from a team that was killed by a murderer's row type schedule. The JV team lost three times in two years, going undefeated as Frosh. Heck some people wanted to argue that they were a top 10 team at 2-8 last year. They are a definite top 10 team for the 2012 season. If we're going by last year's results then might as well just use last year's final Harbin totals.
It will either be last year's tailback, junior Greg Simpson, who was 3-4 for 93 yards and a touchdown on halfback passes last year, or senior Joey Gruden, who is a Moeller transfer and Jay Gruden's son. Expect an offense similar to last year's with a lot of running out of the shotgun. The Aves also return two other capable backs in Markus James and Alex Tillman as well as their top two targets on the outside in Mason Morgan and Caleb Colletts.
They have good talent returning from a team that was killed by a murderer's row type schedule. The JV team lost three times in two years, going undefeated as Frosh. Heck some people wanted to argue that they were a top 10 team at 2-8 last year. They are a definite top 10 team for the 2012 season. If we're going by last year's results then might as well just use last year's final Harbin totals.
Not saying that they will not be a good team as the year progresses but to declare them a Top 10 team after last year is crazy. Trust me, noone wants to see them do well more than me (except for NVA) but let's see how the new guys work out. Don't you think that if they were that good they would have been playing last year? I know playing seniors usually matters when the people competing for a position is close but not at the cost of winning games. If they were better last year they would have played.
Centerville coach returns with staff. Elks should be solid on both sides in the trenches. New starting backfield will be the interesting component. Freshman & reserve teams the past 2 years have been only once beaten, or unbeaten, so the newer talent appears to be in place. I personally believe this team will be better overall than last year, despite graduating McGowan & Thomas.
First time in a while that Centerville returns a starting QB.
No way Elder should be in the top 10. I don't care who they played against last year they never made the plays they had to to get the wins. They may have quite a few kids coming back but they are the same kids who were on the 2-8 team and were freshmen and sophomores the year before when they had another losing season. They need to prove something before ever being ranked that high and that is that they know how to win.
I only saw one Elder game last year and that was the game at X. Tell you what, they looked like a top 10 team that night. Those kids came to play that night.
GMC usually knocks themselves out of playoff spots because most of the good teams play each other. Last year they got Colerain, Middletown, Mason and Syacmore. How many times has that happened since 2000? Usually you get a mix of 2-3 GCL, 3 GMC, 2 GWOC and maybe one CPS or FAVC.
Last year the gmc won most of their gmc/gwoc matchup games which helped as well as Sycamore not having to play Colerain. This year Mason doesnt play Middletown.
Everybody sleeping on Sycamore again this year? They return quite a lot from a playoff team a year ago.
JB, Sess is gone which is a big loss. Last year Sycamore didnt play Colerain and last year they got shut down by Middletown and blown out by Mason. Not saying the aves wont be a good team, but not sure they warrant a top 10 spot in the preseason poll. Time will tell who deserved the preseason ranking
Not saying that they will not be a good team as the year progresses but to declare them a Top 10 team after last year is crazy. Trust me, noone wants to see them do well more than me (except for NVA) but let's see how the new guys work out. Don't you think that if they were that good they would have been playing last year? I know playing seniors usually matters when the people competing for a position is close but not at the cost of winning games. If they were better last year they would have played.
The juniors were given their due last season during the middle of the year. White, Burdine, Hilvert all started seeing time. Even Moore at Qb, all before the suspensions. Then afterwards the sophomores were pulled up and given solid time in the defensive secondary.
I see your point. Last season was very disappointing, however that team was under A LOT of pressure. The leadership wasn't there. I think that the upcoming junior class will be leaned on a lot. But they will have good senior leadership in Mazza, Moore, White and Schroer.
I was trying to figure out where you were pulling those. SWO is usually a R4 thread. But Troy has been solid lately but idk much about Springfield.
Springfield plays hamilton and middletown, so they have a roll regarding harbins for them if they have a good year. I dont know anything about springfield either. Not sure who troy has on their schedule but if they beat some contending gwoc schools that could play a part for region 4 as well
JB, Sess is gone which is a big loss. Last year Sycamore didnt play Colerain and last year they got shut down by Middletown and blown out by Mason. Not saying the aves wont be a good team, but not sure they warrant a top 10 spot in the preseason poll. Time will tell who deserved the preseason ranking
If you replaced one of their GMC wins last season with a loss to Colerain, they still would have made the playoffs. Middletown did shut them down, but Sycamore still gave them a pretty good game. They also gave Moeller one heck of a game in the playoffs. I actually think Simpson can be an even better option quarterback than Sess. His running ability is proven given that he was the starting tailback last year, and I believe he is a way better passer than Sess was. The big loss for the Aves' offense is losing AJ Williams. They ran off of his back about 80% of the time last year. They have offensive linemen returning, but everybody will need to step up their game to offset that loss. On defense, Sycamore returns a lot. They struggled last year at times, but were really young. They will be strong up the middle, with Cole Tameris being a MAC-recruit at nose tackle, and Tinashe Bere being possibly the best defensive college prospect in Cincinnati for 2014 at middle linebacker. They should also have some good speed on the perimeter. Next season, they do not play Middletown or West (one would be a loss, the other would be a tough game). In the nonconference, they will play Anderson, East Central, and Springfield, games which should all be wins with Anderson and East Central providing a lot of Harbin points. If they can win 2 of their games against Princeton, East, Mason, and Colerain, they very well should be a playoff team.
If you replaced one of their GMC wins last season with a loss to Colerain, they still would have made the playoffs. Middletown did shut them down, but Sycamore still gave them a pretty good game. They also gave Moeller one heck of a game in the playoffs. I actually think Simpson can be an even better option quarterback than Sess. His running ability is proven given that he was the starting tailback last year, and I believe he is a way better passer than Sess was. The big loss for the Aves' offense is losing AJ Williams. They ran off of his back about 80% of the time last year. They have offensive linemen returning, but everybody will need to step up their game to offset that loss. On defense, Sycamore returns a lot. They struggled last year at times, but were really young. They will be strong up the middle, with Cole Tameris being a MAC-recruit at nose tackle, and Tinashe Bere being possibly the best defensive college prospect in Cincinnati for 2014 at middle linebacker. They should also have some good speed on the perimeter. Next season, they do not play Middletown or West (one would be a loss, the other would be a tough game). In the nonconference, they will play Anderson, East Central, and Springfield, games which should all be wins with Anderson and East Central providing a lot of Harbin points. If they can win 2 of their games against Princeton, East, Mason, and Colerain, they very well should be a playoff team.
Man springfield is playing 3 GMC teams. Sure hope they can win some non GMC games Dont you think with simpson runing the offense as a QB will take some getting use to? I doubt he will be running that offense as smooth as sess starting out which could lead to some turnovers. Middletown saw their share of turnovers and that was actually a QB but had to learn the triple option. What you said makes sense and depending how middletown can re stack their defense maybe sycamore could upset them, but they will have to win in a shoot out because i think the middies offense will be more dangerous in their second year running the offense
Man springfield is playing 3 GMC teams. Sure hope they can win some non GMC games Dont you think with simpson runing the offense as a QB will take some getting use to? I doubt he will be running that offense as smooth as sess starting out which could lead to some turnovers. Middletown saw their share of turnovers and that was actually a QB but had to learn the triple option. What you said makes sense and depending how middletown can re stack their defense maybe sycamore could upset them, but they will have to win in a shoot out because i think the middies offense will be more dangerous in their second year running the offense
Middletown and Sycamore do not play next year.
And yes, it will take Simpson a lot of work to run the offense. However, Datillo keeps his offense rather simple. He really only ever runs 8-10 different plays in an entire season. Now, he tries to tailor what he runs to his personel, so those 8-10 plays may very well change, but he does keep it pretty simple.
And yes, it will take Simpson a lot of work to run the offense. However, Datillo keeps his offense rather simple. He really only ever runs 8-10 different plays in an entire season. Now, he tries to tailor what he runs to his personel, so those 8-10 plays may very well change, but he does keep it pretty simple.
Yeh i misread the schedule. Even less possible harbins for the middies
So are Sycamore and Princeton going to make a scream this year, anybody? I liked the run Mason had.
They should both be very solid football teams this year. The scary thing, though, is that they could both be quite good yet only finish 5th and 6th in the GMC with Colerain, Middletown, Mason, and Lakota East also being quite good.
They should both be very solid football teams this year. The scary thing, though, is that they could both be quite good yet only finish 5th and 6th in the GMC with Colerain, Middletown, Mason, and Lakota East also being quite good.
I totally agree with this statement. I cant remember the last time the gap in the GMC was this narrow, top to bottom. My question is there any team in SWO, that may be good enough to challenge for the state crown, we are currently in a dry spell. My thought is Moeller, on paper, is the most complete and should start the season in the top 5 in the state (will miss Madaris and Means a bunch). But we all know its about where you finish. But the area is balanced
I'm usually not that talented at judging HS football...but after attending Pboy's Cincinnati Highschool Football Fantasy Draft and napping J.Marshall of Purplethangtown...gotta go with my money maker..
1. The Jalin Marshall Show
2. Da Saders
3. Purple Thangs on the West Side
4. Coletrain
5. The Indians with the Marching Band bigger then 'themselves'
6. Giant Horned Deers
7. Red Knights with Sticks
8. Spacerocks
9. West Chester West
10. West Chester East
Dont you think with simpson runing the offense as a QB will take some getting use to? I doubt he will be running that offense as smooth as sess starting out which could lead to some turnovers. Middletown saw their share of turnovers and that was actually a QB but had to learn the triple option. What you said makes sense and depending how middletown can re stack their defense maybe sycamore could upset them, but they will have to win in a shoot out because i think the middies offense will be more dangerous in their second year running the offense
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