And that young man is headed for the Marine Corp. To me there is a definite difference in those two scenarios.
I think that the kid who quit should come back and play. It would show some serious character and set a very positive example. But if he chooses not to, I understand.
And that young man is headed for the Marine Corp. To me there is a definite difference in those two scenarios.
I think that the kid who quit should come back and play. It would show some serious character and set a very positive example. But if he chooses not to, I understand.
Once again you have missed the boat.
The young man in question showed tremendous character by remaining on the team AFTER the incident. That young man showed tremendous character by remaining on the team even after the perpetator was fully reinstated to the team. This young man showed tremendous character by remaining on the team even after another teammate threatened him and his family (leadership issue per the head coach btw).
And finally, this young set a positive example and a tremendous amount of courage by deciding to walk away from a sport that he truly loved, a sport he has played since the 3rd grade(cyo 3-8th grade). He could no longer endure the taunting, the name calling, the bullying, and the disrespectful behavior by his fellow players that went completely unchecked by the coaching staff.
Not all black people think its ok to use the n word.
The young man in question showed tremendous character by remaining on the team AFTER the incident. That young man showed tremendous character by remaining on the team even after the perpetator was fully reinstated to the team. This young man showed tremendous character by remaining on the team even after another teammate threatened him and his family (leadership issue per the head coach btw).
And finally, this young set a positive example and a tremendous amount of courage by deciding to walk away from a sport that he truly loved, a sport he has played since the 3rd grade(cyo 3-8th grade). He could no longer endure the taunting, the name calling, the bullying, and the disrespectful behavior by his fellow players that went completely unchecked by the coaching staff.
Not all black people think its ok to use the n word.
Stand up and be counted.
I havent missed the boat at all. I understand the young man showed character and strength. My point is if he was to come back, with the chip on his shoulder, trying to knock off helmets and if I am the coach, I would make him a captain. But again I am not a coach and because if I were disclipline would not be an issue. Coach Parker played high school for Cynkar, and made his coaching bones under Everhart so he knows better. I hope its a matter of experience as the head man and he realizes the changes that must be immediately made. We shall see.
Thank you. For finally addressing the issue of discipline. I withdraw my comment regarding your state of mind. It was out of line and completely uncalled for. Please accept my apologies.
The intent again was only to support why I think the team will struggle.
I played for Forest Park under Lou Cynkar. I dont recall ever hearing that dreaded word during practice, and I dont recall ever not hearing that word at the school now called Winton Woods. How sad.
The N word is used alot, not just at WW at other suburban high schools also. Not saying it's right but it happens. The time you played for Forest Park is much different from now. I know I been around some Cynkar teams (WW)that used the N word. Their was multiple reasons why the team struggled last year and yes discipline was one of them, Let's just see what happens this year.
The N word is used alot, not just at WW at other suburban high schools also. Not saying it's right but it happens. The time you played for Forest Park is much different from now. I know I been around some Cynkar teams (WW)that used the N word. Their was multiple reasons why the team struggled last year and yes discipline was one of them, Let's just see what happens this year.
Your utter disregard for our youth and their self-image is sinful. To justify the usage of such language by children while representing a school- you know the place for LEARNING and to be EDUCATED- while under the direct supervision of adults is contemptible.
I just hope that what the coaches did at the end of last season carries over into this season. There was definitely a lack of discipline up to the Harrison game. Discipline is one of the big question marks to this team in my opinion. Coach Parker may end up on the hot seat this season if he can't keep the team in line. Personally I think that the lack of discipline starts at the AD and works its way down. There was too much talent on the team last year to not make the playoffs.
Your utter disregard for our youth and their self-image is sinful. To justify the usage of such language by children while representing a school- you know the place for LEARNING and to be EDUCATED- while under the direct supervision of adults is contemptible.
Yea,ok I hear you. I didn't say it was right. And I wasn't saying what I said to justify it either. But what is said within the confines of the team should stay there. I see many of these young men out and they represent their families and WW quiet well. Just ask the many colleges that many of these young men have attended or supervisor's they work for or teachers that have taught them. If you walk inside a high school setting (not just WW) you would probably hear many things that you would deem not acceptible espcially around team sports. Not saying it's ok but that's the way it is. If you spend all of your time correcting language it takes time away from the education process. Guess we could use better parents in our schools, like you.
So that's why WW cant' get in a league? Foul language? Wow! You may want to travel to more venues and schools in these leagues.
Yea,ok I hear you. I didn't say it was right. And I wasn't saying what I said to justify it either. But what is said within the confines of the team should stay there. I see many of these young men out and they represent their families and WW quiet well. Just ask the many colleges that many of these young men have attended or supervisor's they work for or teachers that have taught them. If you walk inside a high school setting (not just WW) you would probably hear many things that you would deem not acceptible espcially around team sports. Not saying it's ok but that's the way it is. If you spend all of your time correcting language it takes time away from the education process. Guess we could use better parents in our schools, like you.
So that's why WW cant' get in a league? Foul language? Wow! You may want to travel to more venues and schools in these leagues.
You are most certainly justifying their behavior. And only those whose speak those wonderful words freely in the presence of children seek to rationalize its usage. Pathetic.
"if you spend your time correcting language it takes away from the education process" _ did you really write this?
Excuse me, but I thought correcting language was part of the education process. Silly me.
WW cant get into a league because of IMAGE issues period. Perception is reality.
And the image issue starts with aduts like you who simply dont get it.
WW public practices are held at the stadium. The entire FP community works out on the track during practice, including grade school track teams. And you can hear the foul language from the stands..."Ive these young men out and they represent WW and their families well" ...as long as they are not at football practice where they're actually representing the school on school property. Ridiculous.
Walk in a respectable manner. Talk in a respectable manner. Compete in a respectable manner and represent your school in a respectable manner.
I go to practices quite a bit. I walk the track from time to time. I haven't experienced what you are claiming. I'm not saying I've never heard foul language once in a while, but it is nowhere near the "problem" you are claiming - in my opinion. Do you have some sort of vendetta toward the team?
By the way, if respectable had anything to do with getting into a league, the ECC wouldn't have as many teams in it as they do now, judging on what I've heard when visiting these schools at away games.
I go to practices quite a bit. I walk the track from time to time. I haven't experienced what you are claiming. I'm not saying I've never heard foul language once in a while, but it is nowhere near the "problem" you are claiming - in my opinion. Do you have some sort of vendetta toward the team?
By the way, if respectable had anything to do with getting into a league, the ECC wouldn't have as many teams in it as they do now, judging on what I've heard when visiting these schools at away games.
Exactly! Look ALL schools have their share of problems.
I wish I could say that you are wrong but, I've witness the verbal abuse and the use of the N word first hand. I have not heard of this assault and I'm appalled if this actually occurred. With last year being a down year I would assume that discipline will be at a premium. I know coach Parker and the AD are related but, another down year and Coach Parker could find himself on the hotseat.
Confirmation. Perhaps, but Im certain you defenders and rationalizers will read it otherwise.
Surely this poster has a personal axe to grind as well.
With the ultimate example of a role model residing in Washington D.C., there is absolutely no excuse for young black men under adult (coaches/teachers) supervision to act this way.
Attack me. Accuse me of having a personal vendetta. Whatever. Shift all the focus on me and my quest to bring down the WW program. Laughable.
To win games and be considered a great program? Instill a solid disicipline policy and truly hold the kids accountable.
So sorry to hear this , but it sounds true . I know some players and dad's this is not the first I heard of this . Yet we wonder why our youth are miss directed . Please do all you can to help improve the atmosphere at WW , good kids are at all schools just like losers . Keep a positive outlook and help out when you can . It starts at home as we all know
Uh oh, dont look but I believe this is a confirmation. Go figure.
Yea,ok I hear you. I didn't say it was right. And I wasn't saying what I said to justify it either. But what is said within the confines of the team should stay there. I see many of these young men out and they represent their families and WW quiet well. Just ask the many colleges that many of these young men have attended or supervisor's they work for or teachers that have taught them. If you walk inside a high school setting (not just WW) you would probably hear many things that you would deem not acceptible espcially around team sports. Not saying it's ok but that's the way it is. If you spend all of your time correcting language it takes time away from the education process. Guess we could use better parents in our schools, like you.
So that's why WW cant' get in a league? Foul language? Wow! You may want to travel to more venues and schools in these leagues.
With this quote, I think you will qualify for the yappi hall of fame! Great job.
With this quote, I think you will qualify for the yappi hall of fame! Great job.
You must be the same disgruntled parent that complained about EVERYTHING that was done on the football field! Esp. when your kid wasn't in the defensive backfield. The same parent that has a older son that wrestled and had a good season. The same parent that took his younger son out of WW high school and sent him to another high school that runs the opition. You have very nice boys. Must have gotten that from their mother!
You must be the same disgruntled parent that complained about EVERYTHING that was done on the football field! Esp. when your kid wasn't in the defensive backfield. The same parent that has a older son that wrestled and had a good season. The same parent that took his younger son out of WW high school and sent him to another high school that runs the opition. You have very nice boys. Must have gotten that from their mother!
Your attacks are laughable and typical of someone who simply can not defend his position. No matter my identity, I didnt write " If you spend your time correcting language, it would interfere with the education process" You did.
Every time I read or re-write this quote, my stomach hurts from laughing.
I didnt try to justify and rationalize bad behavior and the usage of that dreaded word by our beautiful black children. You did.
The intensity of your childish attacks only lends credence to my original point. And obviously, my analysis of the football team and their current woes has touched a nerve.
Yea,ok I hear you. I didn't say it was right. And I wasn't saying what I said to justify it either. But what is said within the confines of the team should stay there. I see many of these young men out and they represent their families and WW quiet well. Just ask the many colleges that many of these young men have attended or supervisor's they work for or teachers that have taught them. If you walk inside a high school setting (not just WW) you would probably hear many things that you would deem not acceptible espcially around team sports. Not saying it's ok but that's the way it is. If you spend all of your time correcting language it takes time away from the education process. Guess we could use better parents in our schools, like you.
So that's why WW cant' get in a league? Foul language? Wow! You may want to travel to more venues and schools in these leagues.
Your attacks are laughable and typical of someone who simply can not defend his position. No matter my identity, I didnt write " If you spend your time correcting language, it would interfere with the education process" You did.
Every time I read or re-write this quote, my stomach hurts from laughing.
I didnt try to justify and rationalize bad behavior and the usage of that dreaded word by our beautiful black children. You did.
The intensity of your childish attacks only lends credence to my original point. And obviously, my analysis of the football team and their current woes has touched a nerve.
The truth always does.
Feel free to intepred my thoughts anyway you want. Just as I have intepred your post as malicious,hateful, and over the top against WW and teachers and all staff members. Its obvious you have a bone to pick. Yes, there are problems. It was BIG problems with the team (last year) Let's see what happens this year. Good luck to your kids. I think the oldest said he was going to wrestle at the next level. Im done. Peace out!
Feel free to intepred my thoughts anyway you want. Just as I have intepred your post as malicious,hateful, and over the top against WW and teachers and all staff members. Its obvious you have a bone to pick. Yes, there are problems. It was BIG problems with the team (last year) Let's see what happens this year. Good luck to your kids. I think the oldest said he was going to wrestle at the next level. Im done. Peace out!
After that pitiful display of critical thinking, I'd be done too. Your position was indefensible and it was sad you to see you turn to personal attacks, which again is indicative of someone whose thought process is somewhat lacking.
I never knew that wanting our african-american children to be properly supervised and properly coached would ever be interpeted as malicious, hateful and over the top.
Adults speak as you will. But when it comes to our children...
Withrow's in the ECC and we're rejected for the second straight year. Not to mention that werestill independent. Maybe we can become the Notre Dame of Ohio High School Sports????
Th WW's administration needs to hire a public relations firm. This is a image issue. Until the adminitration gains a full understanding as to why no one's buying what they're selling, they will continue to be independent and unwanted.
When someone outside the district asks what school your child attends, carefully observe their response when you inform them its Winton Woods. Is it positive or negative? Ive personally heard: " I would never send my kid to that school (by several different people)". And Ive debated with those who argue that you can not receive a solid education at WW. Whether their response is based on fact or fiction, its real to them. Perception is reality.
The flagship program of the school,the football team, brought home the DII state championship 3 years ago. That same program had children last year walking around with t-shirts with "Its personal" in bold letters on them, a clear reference to independent/conference affiliation issue. You dont involve kids in adult squabbles. They are there to represent the school in a positive light-not an instrument to be used as advistement to promote whatever the issue might be. They didnt sign up for that, so leave them out of it.
This is just an example why I feel a pr firm's hire and involvement is a must. This type of activity would have never occurred had WW admin consulted someone not close to the situation who could render an objective opinion.
What perception does that create outside the district?
This issue should have been dealt with in a more professional manner by adults.
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Ahh, perceptions outside the district. What are the perceptions of Withrow "outside the district?" What have been perceptions of Withrow prior to this announcement? Have you EVER been to either school?
As far as the t-shirts are concerned, you got it all wrong. These shirts were printed to fire up the team to play Middletown last year since their previous coach, Troy Everhart, took that job. Don't read anymore into it at that. Taste aside, that's ALL there was to it. Middletown won, by the way.
And since you got THAT fact wrong, I wonder how many OTHER facts you have wrong? I think you are full of it. That's MY "perception."
Ahh, perceptions outside the district. What are the perceptions of Withrow "outside the district?" What have been perceptions of Withrow prior to this announcement? Have you EVER been to either school?
As far as the t-shirts are concerned, you got it all wrong. These shirts were printed to fire up the team to play Middletown last year since their previous coach, Troy Everhart, took that job. Don't read anymore into it at that. Taste aside, that's ALL there was to it. Middletown won, by the way.
And since you got THAT fact wrong, I wonder how many OTHER facts you have wrong? I think you are full of it. That's MY "perception."
Great post. The T shirts had NOTHING to do with the league situation and EVERYTHING to do with Everhart.
Perceptions? Hiring a public relations firm? #9 Dad talks about education but you would actually spend tax money on public relations firm, when educators are getting laid off? Their are always going to be perceptions. People are going to beleive what that want, no matter if it is true or not.
Whether the t-shirts were for the Coach Everhart or for the no conference situation, you dont involve children in adult affairs. The politics of the school should be left to the adults. Lack of professionalism surley leads to a negative public image and thus the need for the pr firm
If you invest in a pr firm, it might just pay off in WW being invited to a better conference, which will lead to additional revenue in the long term.
Shoot down my ideal all you want , but be sure to offer something better. Criticism without an accompayning solution is just whining.
Whether the t-shirts were for the Coach Everhart or for the no conference situation, you dont involve children in adult affairs. The politics of the school should be left to the adults. Lack of professionalism surley leads to a negative public image and thus the need for the pr firm
If you invest in a pr firm, it might just pay off in WW being invited to a better conference, which will lead to additional revenue in the long term.
Shoot down my ideal all you want , but be sure to offer something better. Criticism without an accompayning solution is just whining.
Hear me, WarriorBlueInTheFace
LMAO! In my face?! I just don't see tax dollars going to a pr firm. When there are so many needs in the district because of how things are funded. It wouldn't matter much anyway. The PR firm would'nt have helped to get in the SWOC or the ECC for that matter.The kids took things personal when Everhart went to Middletown. So they had much to do with things. As far as leagues, well, their aren't many options out there. So WW has to kind of sit back and let other things develop.
_ did you really write this?
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