With Jalin Marshall Returning;this years Middies should be much more Comfortable in Coach Everhart's Philosophy. How much more talent is returning and who may be coming up thru the system...Particularly on The offensive and defensive lines??? Give your predictions for this year as well!!
I think we be be juat as good on offense. Everyone doesnt have to think as much as last year running the triple and with Pooh in the backfield with Jalin that willl a very dabgerous combo and either one can take it to the house. Kick return isnt as important since the M.O. of opponents last year was to do alot of short kicking except Colerain who had a kicker that could put it onto the endzone or deeper. Not have Zach Davis on the line will be a big loss as well as zach edwards and cody quinn in the defensive backfield. I am sure we will have some athletes that will fill those positions, but not sure this defense can be as god as last year, so unless the offense gets more effiecent i would predict the Middies record at 8-2/7-3. I predict they will make it into to the playoffs, but Colerain will win the GMC again. The game against X will let us all know where the Middies new players stand what what kind of season they may have. I am predicting a loss against X and Colerain and another loss somewhere down the line. If the defense cannot fill those holes than could be another loss.
I have no insight into the program or what any of the coaches are thinking, but one of the big questions on defense will be the defensive secondary. But I wouldn't be surprised if Lance Johnson is playing and starting both ways at receiver and safety. Contrary to what some people believe, Lance doesn't shy away from contact, he can deliver a blow, and if he was told to play defense I believe he would. I'm betting on sophomore E.J. Colson to start at one corner and I have no idea who would play the other. Wouldn't be surprised to see Peters out there at corner as well.
I stated this last year and will state it again. I have never seen Coach Everhart start players on both sides of the ball. He will spot play kids on both sides but not start them both ways. I think it will be interesting to see where Sorrell will end up. He may best help the team at DE or at Tackle on the offensive line. He would be the player I would play both ways, he is going to be a beast. I keep asking this question and no one seems to answer it but what was the Middie JV team record last season?
I stated this last year and will state it again. I have never seen Coach Everhart start players on both sides of the ball. He will spot play kids on both sides but not start them both ways. I think it will be interesting to see where Sorrell will end up. He may best help the team at DE or at Tackle on the offensive line. He would be the player I would play both ways, he is going to be a beast. I keep asking this question and no one seems to answer it but what was the Middie JV team record last season?
As far as the JV is concerned, I don't know the exact record but I'm pretty sure that they didn't win more than 3 games. They called up alot of freshmen and I think a couple of them will start varsity as sophomores.
As far as your statement goes about never seeing Coach Everheart start players on both sides of the ball you should clarify that you never saw that at Winton Woods. His first year at Middletown he took the GMC's leading receiver in yards the previous year and turned him into a 1st team All-league safety his senior season by starting him on both sides of the ball. People had said that they had never seen him throw the ball more than 5 times a game when he was at Winton Woods, yet there were 5 times this past year where he threw the ball more than 10 times in a game, including the Winton Woods game where it was thrown 19 times. The point is that we can't always go off what Everheart did in the past in the hopes of predicting the future. While I'm sure that alot of things will be very similar the fact is that the scenarios are quite different. While Coach Everheart may have similar athletes here in Middletown to what he had at Winton Woods, the fact of the matter is that at least for the next couple of years he may have talented teams but they're not gonna be deep teams. That may force him to do what he's not accustomed to in some areas.
We seem to be counting on Peters for quite a lot this coming year. Not trying to get too personal but I assume it has been grades that have kept him off the field and off the track. Has anything changed? I remember when he ran that 10.89 FAT in 8th grade and has not ran a race since.
I know most schools do this but I think the Middies doi it a lot more...I think one of the reasons the JV is never very good is that the Middies consistently bring their top underclass men up to varsity, therefore depleting JV. We have around 700 boys in the school as opposed to the Fairfields and Masons who have over a 1,000. So when we pull them up to varsity we don't have a lot left some years. I wouldn't worry too much about JV records. Each class next year has tremendous athletes that are D1 college caliber. Just gotta mix them in together. The key will be if the offensive line can hold up. Not a lot of huge linemen that Troy likes but we do have some strong boys there.
I see a 7-3 record and maybe 7 or 8 seed for the playoffs. Well be in every game but lost a lot on defense. I still don't like the offense but I'm not the coach and Troy surprised a lot of us last year in a good way.
1. This conversation about players playing on both sides of the ball took place before last season. Coach Everhart didn't do it last season and will not this upcoming season. He is a very good coach and his strength is off season preparation and placing players in the best positions to suceed and help the team.
2. Middletown did not move a large number of underclassmen up into the varisty line up. When you have 15 senior starters, 8 of which were all league, it should trickle down to the JV team. It should be Juniors and Sophomores will high skill level that are waiting for the talented Seniors to move on. It should translate to JV success. However I feel Middletown deserves a pass because the kids were learning a new scheme and Everhart did not have a complete off season, as he does this year. Is there enough talent to replace what was loss to graduation? Probably not. Is there enough to challenge for a GMC title and playoff spot? Absolutely.
1. This conversation about players playing on both sides of the ball took place before last season. Coach Everhart didn't do it last season and will not this upcoming season. He is a very good coach and his strength is off season preparation and placing players in the best positions to suceed and help the team.
2. Middletown did not move a large number of underclassmen up into the varisty line up. When you have 15 senior starters, 8 of which were all league, it should trickle down to the JV team. It should be Juniors and Sophomores will high skill level that are waiting for the talented Seniors to move on. It should translate to JV success. However I feel Middletown deserves a pass because the kids were learning a new scheme and Everhart did not have a complete off season, as he does this year. Is there enough talent to replace what was loss to graduation? Probably not. Is there enough to challenge for a GMC title and playoff spot? Absolutely.
First you say there isnt enough to replace what was lost to graduation and the next breath you say they can challenge for a GMC titlle and a playoff spot. If the Middies challenge for a GMC title and get a playoff spot then they definitely have the talent to have as much success as previously successful middie teams which means they did replace the talent. I am not sure the replacements on defense will be able to have that great of success but we will have to see how the first few games go. I am sure people will try to judge how successful the middies will be by their scrimmages which isnt always a good thing to use when dtermining how a team will do in the regular season. I still will say the Middies get into the playoffs, but dont win the GMC
First you say there isnt enough to replace what was lost to graduation and the next breath you say they can challenge for a GMC titlle and a playoff spot. If the Middies challenge for a GMC title and get a playoff spot then they definitely have the talent to have as much success as previously successful middie teams which means they did replace the talent. I am not sure the replacements on defense will be able to have that great of success but we will have to see how the first few games go. I am sure people will try to judge how successful the middies will be by their scrimmages which isnt always a good thing to use when dtermining how a team will do in the regular season. I still will say the Middies get into the playoffs, but dont win the GMC
It's a big difference in challenging for the GMC title and winning it. It is a big difference in making the post season and winning the region. In my opinion Middletown was talented enough last season to win the GMC and Region 4. The fact that Everhart didn't take over until the spring and Middletown had to learn a new system hampered them. Things weren't always running smoothly. Please stop trying to disect every word and sentence I type. No one is trying to down or disrespect the Middie football program in any way.
It's a big difference in challenging for the GMC title and winning it. It is a big difference in making the post season and winning the region. In my opinion Middletown was talented enough last season to win the GMC and Region 4. The fact that Everhart didn't take over until the spring and Middletown had to learn a new system hampered them. Things weren't always running smoothly. Please stop trying to disect every word and sentence I type. No one is trying to down or disrespect the Middie football program in any way.
I dont think you were disrespecting the middies. I just disagree with what you said. Middies would not have beaten moeller if they playes the best out of three. They didnt have the horses on defense to slow moeller down. They also were not going to beat X. If the middies do as they have recently and get in the playoffs then i would say they replaced those players well. If they dont make the playoffs then i would say they didnt. Middies are not going to beat colerain this year and they need to do that if they want to challenge for a gmc tittle. If the middies dont replace well on defense then colerain just might not be the only gmc loss. By the way i dont remember you saying last year before the season started that they had the talent to win the region.
I didn't say that they didn't have the talent to win it either. It's actually a conclusion made looking back upon the season. I think adjusting to a new system and lack of depth and a terrible kicking game hurt Middletown.
I didn't say that they didn't have the talent to win it either. It's actually a conclusion made looking back upon the season. I think adjusting to a new system and lack of depth and a terrible kicking game hurt Middletown.
In my opinion, the defense not being able to stop moellers running game had alot more to do with the moeller loss then a poor kicking game. Moeller was scoring on almost every drive and since middletown couldnt stop moellers offense middletown had no choice to go for six. Which seemed to put alot of points and yardage on moellers defense. I am hoping this year the middies. An run the offense even better because if the defense doesnt surprise us this year like they did last year the offense will be in a shootout in alot of games. The X game will be a good measuring stick. I am not expecting middletwon to win that game but if they win or make a game of it then i will have more confidence in the replacents for the seniors that left. How much more potent do you think the middies can be in the second year of running the offense? How much better was WW in their second year with Troy. I dont mean records but offensive fire power.
1. This conversation about players playing on both sides of the ball took place before last season. Coach Everhart didn't do it last season and will not this upcoming season. He is a very good coach and his strength is off season preparation and placing players in the best positions to suceed and help the team.
2. Middletown did not move a large number of underclassmen up into the varisty line up. When you have 15 senior starters, 8 of which were all league, it should trickle down to the JV team. It should be Juniors and Sophomores will high skill level that are waiting for the talented Seniors to move on. It should translate to JV success. However I feel Middletown deserves a pass because the kids were learning a new scheme and Everhart did not have a complete off season, as he does this year. Is there enough talent to replace what was loss to graduation? Probably not. Is there enough to challenge for a GMC title and playoff spot? Absolutely.
Don, you put some good posts on here but I had a hard time following the line of reasoning on this one. First you once again made the mistake of saying that Troy didn't start anyone both ways last year. You can look it up if you don't believe me; Zach Edwards started at both WR and safety, making 1st team all-league as a DB. You say that one of his strengths is his ability to place players in the best position to succeed and help the team. Don't you think that it would do more to help the team if he played his best players wherever they're needed, as opposed to putting players out there who aren't as good in order to stick to a rigid philosophy? You could be right and he may not start anyone both ways (but I'm willing to bet that he starts AT LEAST one, possibly more on both sides of the ball. If I'm wrong your first round at the concession stand at the Crosstown Showdown is on me ). But one thing Coach Everheart showed last year is that he is not going to let what he did at Winton Woods dictate how he coaches at Middletown. Again, some pieces of evidence include taking a 2 time all-league receiver and playing him on both sides of the ball and making him an all league DB, and though he may not have done it as much as some Middie fans would've liked, he did put the ball in the air on occasion.
Secondly, I'm still not following the logic you put forth explaining that a talented senior laden varsity team should equate to JV success. So by your logic, the past 3 seasons when Middletown made the playoffs they should have had great JV seasons. As a poster before mentioned quite adequately, the Middletown JV teams over the past couple of years have had little success because the talented underclassmen are playing varsity right away. In fact, the lack of success has trickled down to the freshmen team as well because over the past couple of years the more talented freshmen have either split time or completely played up at the jv level. Off the top of my head I can think of players like Antonio Banks, Zach Edwards, Cody Quinn, Caleb Watkins, Jalin Marshall, Kevin Henderson, Kevin Watts, and Kyle Schwarber who in recent years have played 3 years at the varsity level (this year will be Jalin Marshall's 3rd) and in some cases all 4 years at varsity. That has more of a bearing on junior varsity success than seniors who are leaving.
I attended 5 Middletown games last season and in every one #16 Holdbrook and #19 Johnson started at the wideouts. #9 Edwards started at safety, but did see some snaps on offense in 4 of the 5 games I attended.
Playing one or two Sophomores on varisty is not depleting the JV ranks in my opinion. I watched a team start 10 sophomores in a game! Now to me that's depleting your JV ranks. But I do understand your point that its not how many underclassmen are moved up but which ones are moved up to varsity, that's a valid point. A JV team can be depleted by quantity moved up as well as quality moved up.
I attended 5 Middletown games last season and in every one #16 Holdbrook and #19 Johnson started at the wideouts. #9 Edwards started at safety, but did see some snaps on offense in 4 of the 5 games I attended.
Playing one or two Sophomores on varisty is not depleting the JV ranks in my opinion. I watched a team start 10 sophomores in a game! Now to me that's depleting your JV ranks. But I do understand your point that its not how many underclassmen are moved up but which ones are moved up to varsity, that's a valid point. A JV team can be depleted by quantity moved up as well as quality moved up.
Maybe my eyes deceived me then for the 7 regular season games and the 2 playoff games that I saw. I could've swore that Lance Johnson only started when Donte Holdbrook went down with that ankle injury. Maybe I just assumed that Coach Everheart would have started the one guy who led the GMC in receiving yards the 2 previous seasons.
Maybe my eyes deceived me then for the 7 regular season games and the 2 playoff games that I saw. I could've swore that Lance Johnson only started when Donte Holdbrook went down with that ankle injury. Maybe I just assumed that Coach Everheart would have started the one guy who led the GMC in receiving yards the 2 previous seasons.
I thought that Holdbrook got hurt in the Moeller game when the Moeller LB Jones planted him into the U.C. turf. Causing Holdbrook to miss about the first 3 weeks of basketball season.
And Everhart knew the Edwards would have a bigger impact on the defensive side. He led the GMC in recieving in a completely different type of offense. That's my point about Everhart, he knows where to put kids that benefits both the player and the team.
I thought that Holdbrook got hurt in the Moeller game when the Moeller LB Jones planted him into the U.C. turf. Causing Holdbrook to miss about the first 3 weeks of basketball season.
And Everhart knew the Edwards would have a bigger impact on the defensive side. He led the GMC in recieving in a completely different type of offense. That's my point about Everhart, he knows where to put kids that benefits both the player and the team.
I believe holbrook was not 100% going into the moeller game. It may have been a different injury, but i remember him getting injured in the regular season. Maybe someone could resfresh my memory. Just because they move kids to varsity doesnt mean they start. Some get more snaps then others, but 97 is correct on his assessment of the jv and frosh. Same thing goes on in basketball. Vince edwards and chance sorrell both were moved up to varsity as freshman. Chance was hurt i believe and vince got a little bit of playing not i believe. This year as sopmores the played a major role on the varsity this year. If both were playing JV this pas year they would have dominated but they played very well.
Maybe my eyes deceived me then for the 7 regular season games and the 2 playoff games that I saw. I could've swore that Lance Johnson only started when Donte Holdbrook went down with that ankle injury. Maybe I just assumed that Coach Everheart would have started the one guy who led the GMC in receiving yards the 2 previous seasons.
Zach did not start. Lance did. The main reason for the lack of JV success is the absence of a formidable QB and depth. There are a few players that will help on Varsity. Allen will provide a good safety option and we can't forget about the huge body we have in Glover on offense.
Zach did not start. Lance did. The main reason for the lack of JV success is the absence of a formidable QB and depth. There are a few players that will help on Varsity. Allen will provide a good safety option and we can't forget about the huge body we have in Glover on offense.
Middie, you consider Glover a huge body? I would consider Junior a huge body. Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought glover was a shorther fireplug type, but no where near the size of Junior. I do hope his lower center a gravity will allow him to be as successful as Junior was at fullback.
Zach Edwards led all receivers in the north and south allstar game yesterday going 3-64. His longest catch was for about 41 getting down inside the 10 yard line. The game will be on STO, channel 662 at 5pm est today. Congrats to Zach.
Zach did not start. Lance did. The main reason for the lack of JV success is the absence of a formidable QB and depth. There are a few players that will help on Varsity. Allen will provide a good safety option and we can't forget about the huge body we have in Glover on offense.
I must admit then that I'm wrong. Did Lance get hurt during the season? The reason that I'm asking is because when you go to the GMC website, it has that Zach Edwards played in all 12 games as a receiver, Donte Holdbrook played 10 out of the 12, and Lance only played 7. I would have to imagine that he got hurt because it doesn't make much sense that he was good enough to start 7 games but then wasn't even good enough to get on the field in the other 5. Also, does anyone know who was the other starter in the 5 games that he did not play?
Also, who is this Allen kid that will be a good safety option?? We aren't talking about Allen Bender are we?
Middie, you consider Glover a huge body? I would consider Junior a huge body. Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought glover was a shorther fireplug type, but no where near the size of Junior. I do hope his lower center a gravity will allow him to be as successful as Junior was at fullback.
Glover was no where near as muscular as EJ but just as big height wise. For a freshman, he was very big. A season with him in the weight room will make him hard to bring down. By his senior year he should be a beast. Should be a great compliment to Jalin and pooh....SHOULD be.
In order for the Middies to be good this up coming year, they need to put Jalen in the GUN and let him do his thing!! To good of an Athlete to be under center the whole game!
Glover was no where near as muscular as EJ but just as big height wise. For a freshman, he was very big. A season with him in the weight room will make him hard to bring down. By his senior year he should be a beast. Should be a great compliment to Jalin and pooh....SHOULD be.
If he is as tall as junior then that would be great. He just didnt seem to be that tall. I definitely think another year in the weight room could make him a force at fullback with that back field.
Glover is built like a truck. Saw him last weekend and he def will be hard to handle by the time season starts. Hard to compare him to EJ Junior because of the age difference but he will be a force eventually.
I like this group of underclass men. The only thing I see lacking is I never really saw a good QB. I watched freshman and 8th and the QB were very slow with average arms. Anxious and hoping they have someone hidden to replace Jalin after this year
Glover is built like a truck. Saw him last weekend and he def will be hard to handle by the time season starts. Hard to compare him to EJ Junior because of the age difference but he will be a force eventually.
I like this group of underclass men. The only thing I see lacking is I never really saw a good QB. I watched freshman and 8th and the QB were very slow with average arms. Anxious and hoping they have someone hidden to replace Jalin after this year
Obviously, it wouldn't be fair to compare any qb to jalen. I would think Andrew Burton will probably be the qb after jalen graduates and i am sure he will be more efficient after running this system for a couple years. I am just going to enjoy seeing this years team with alot more confidence running this system this year. Should be an interesting game against X in the showdown and see how potent the offense can be and how the defense can do against X's offense.
Glover is built like a truck. Saw him last weekend and he def will be hard to handle by the time season starts. Hard to compare him to EJ Junior because of the age difference but he will be a force eventually.
I like this group of underclass men. The only thing I see lacking is I never really saw a good QB. I watched freshman and 8th and the QB were very slow with average arms. Anxious and hoping they have someone hidden to replace Jalin after this year
Since the Middies run the triple option, their next QB may very well be starting at another position on offense for the varsity. Colerain has done this many times that I can remember, and even my Sycamore Aves are moving their starting RB from last year to QB next year.
I attended 5 Middletown games last season and in every one #16 Holdbrook and #19 Johnson started at the wideouts. #9 Edwards started at safety, but did see some snaps on offense in 4 of the 5 games I attended.
Playing one or two Sophomores on varisty is not depleting the JV ranks in my opinion. I watched a team start 10 sophomores in a game! Now to me that's depleting your JV ranks. But I do understand your point that its not how many underclassmen are moved up but which ones are moved up to varsity, that's a valid point. A JV team can be depleted by quantity moved up as well as quality moved up.
In 2004, my Sycamore Aves started 13 sophomores and 1 freshmen!
). But one thing Coach Everheart showed last year is that he is not going to let what he did at Winton Woods dictate how he coaches at Middletown. Again, some pieces of evidence include taking a 2 time all-league receiver and playing him on both sides of the ball and making him an all league DB, and though he may not have done it as much as some Middie fans would've liked, he did put the ball in the air on occasion.
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