Keep in mind usually half of Aquinas' schedule is against Federal League and NBC schools. Which is uncommon for a D3 team. So the record is not a great indicator of the quality of basketball is played at Aquinas year in and year out.
If I had to make a wish list it would be:
1. Paul Wackerly- Perry head coach : Aquinas alum
2. Bret Wackerly- Perry Asst.
3. Matt Creamer - Former Massillon head coach
4. Joe Waseity - Former Tuslaw Asst./ JV coach : Aquinas alum
5. Matt Monter - Louisville Asst./ JV coach
they would be stupid to not find out what dave hoover is doing these days and if he would have any interest--- cant hurt to check in even though thats a longshot as well
they would be stupid to not find out what dave hoover is doing these days and if he would have any interest--- cant hurt to check in even though thats a longshot as well
Dave Hoover did come to mind when I was putting that together. I just assumed if he was going to coach again he would have applied for another job elsewhere. What has it been like 5 years?
I'll give you St. Thomas' 9-12 enrollment figures from October of the '99-'00 school year through October of the '10-'11 school year with boys, girls in parentheses. If anyone objects to the figures, take it up with the ODE. For those who want to sift through the data, St. Thomas' IRN is 053827. The ODE has online data going back to the late '70s for HSs and grade schools.
Great research. Obviously goes to support hssportsfan's assessment that enrollment has gone down over the past decade. Also, one poster mentioned that several girls sports at Aquinas have moved up in Division, and that other sports have remained stable. However, this does not necessarily mean that enrollment hasn't dropped. Every so often, the OHSAA adjusts the enrollment requirements for every sport for both boys and girls, so in theory it would actually be possible (although not particularly likely) that a school's enrollment could drop, yet they would actually move up a division in a given sport.
what head coach from what strak county school ...??? quit laying out rumours if you dont want to lay out and give the specific info.... you must abe a rookie in here ..hoffy will break the story b4 anyone .... HOF IS A DEMI GOD
what head coach from what strak county school ...??? quit laying out rumours if you dont want to lay out and give the specific info.... you must abe a rookie in here ..hoffy will break the story b4 anyone .... HOF IS A DEMI GOD
what head coach from what strak county school ...??? quit laying out rumours if you dont want to lay out and give the specific info.... you must abe a rookie in here ..hoffy will break the story b4 anyone .... HOF IS A DEMI GOD
I am not going to name someone who is currently employed on a public forum concerning another job.
The guy has a parochial background..... figure it out genius.
I am not going to name someone who is currently employed on a public forum concerning another job.
The guy has a parochial background..... figure it out genius.
You are right thing to do is not give names until the process has taken its course. The most right thing to do is do not give any info out.
There are only three current head coaches in Stark County with a parochial background, one girls and two boys. You might as well have named the person. Better not to say anything don't you think?
You are right thing to do is not give names until the process has taken its course. The most right thing to do is do not give any info out.
There are only three current head coaches in Stark County with a parochial background, one girls and two boys. You might as well have named the person. Better not to say anything don't you think?
I couldn't disagree more. The minute you make that phone call to another school, you better be prepared for the information to get out. Loyalty is a two-way street.
I couldn't disagree more. The minute you make that phone call to another school, you better be prepared for the information to get out. Loyalty is a two-way street.
You are assuming I was talking about loyalty. Thre is no question that loyalty is a great asset in the world of coaching, but no reasonable person will look at a person who feels the need to explore another option as an ingrate or unloyal person. Many coaches as well as other professionals and workers change positions to better theirs and their family's situation. Things such as raises, less demanding, proximity etc.. In fact most good head coaches will want to have assistants that are driven to become a good head coach and even encourage them to move on for their benefit and if they are unsuccessful in their attempt at another school the good secure coach will not feel betrayed.
If a coach puts out feelers because they think that job may be a good fit, that does not mean they have changed their current allegiance nor does it mean they will lose their current position if they do not get the new position.
On the other hand because some adults post on a blog about their trivial knowledge can have a negative effect on the young players that may be on this site. They are young and have not weathered all of the different lifes experiences and therefore have a different threshold for tolerance of things. Just saying.
You are assuming I was talking about loyalty. Thre is no question that loyalty is a great asset in the world of coaching, but no reasonable person will look at a person who feels the need to explore another option as an ingrate or unloyal person. Many coaches as well as other professionals and workers change positions to better theirs and their family's situation. Things such as raises, less demanding, proximity etc.. In fact most good head coaches will want to have assistants that are driven to become a good head coach and even encourage them to move on for their benefit and if they are unsuccessful in their attempt at another school the good secure coach will not feel betrayed.
If a coach puts out feelers because they think that job may be a good fit, that does not mean they have changed their current allegiance nor does it mean they will lose their current position if they do not get the new position.
On the other hand because some adults post on a blog about their trivial knowledge can have a negative effect on the young players that may be on this site. They are young and have not weathered all of the different lifes experiences and therefore have a different threshold for tolerance of things. Just saying.
Not agreeing with Big Knight, but if a young person is mentally fragile enough to be effected by what people say on Yappi the probably aren't mentally tough enough to win anyways.
You are assuming I was talking about loyalty. Thre is no question that loyalty is a great asset in the world of coaching, but no reasonable person will look at a person who feels the need to explore another option as an ingrate or unloyal person. Many coaches as well as other professionals and workers change positions to better theirs and their family's situation. Things such as raises, less demanding, proximity etc.. In fact most good head coaches will want to have assistants that are driven to become a good head coach and even encourage them to move on for their benefit and if they are unsuccessful in their attempt at another school the good secure coach will not feel betrayed.
If a coach puts out feelers because they think that job may be a good fit, that does not mean they have changed their current allegiance nor does it mean they will lose their current position if they do not get the new position.
On the other hand because some adults post on a blog about their trivial knowledge can have a negative effect on the young players that may be on this site. They are young and have not weathered all of the different lifes experiences and therefore have a different threshold for tolerance of things. Just saying.
Then we shouldn't have this site or any like it. This is the reality of 2012. If coaches put out "feelers", it is going to become public knowledge.
If a coach needs to explore other opportunities for all of the valid reasons that you suggest, then that coach needs to be up front with all stake holders.
wow. this is news. been south for the winter, get back a couple days ago, and i see the knights are looking for a new coach. this is a shocker and no information as to why. please the real story only. i have followed st. thomas since 1968 and i thought joe was doing a great job. i have to imagine the assistant, vogley will be in the mix, maybe spotleson, young monter, and maybe young wackerly, but i think papa wackerly will not be interested. i am not smart enough to figure out what the last few posts mean, but these would be my top guys. this is not a place for a current head coach to go because it would be viewed as a latteral or even a backwards move. man i can not get over this, yet.
who is Spotleson ? How were the JV'S ? Freshmen ? Dont see the elder Wackerly moving over. The younger Wacklery yes. Where does HArold coach next ? Cross town ?
I have talked to a couple parents and alumni and Brett Wackerly seems to be getting his name brought up quite a bit. Maybe this could stop some of the St. Paul's kids from going to Hoover?
there is a problem here. if you and parents are trying to pick the next coach, then the reasons for your last coach leaving are very clear. i hope you get who you want.
Let me just comment on one thing to make it clear....influential parents (many of whom are alumni and donate thousands of dollars in donations, volunteer services, and other efforts for the benefit of STA) have always played a big role in Aquinas sports.
This is not something that just cropped up the past 3-4 years. I can remember football dads being "heavily" involved in the program and very critical of the coaches back in the 1970's and 1980's. If you think they're out of control now, you should have heard the things some of them used to say about Joe Homoney even though he was leading the Knights to playoff berths in the late 1980's. It's just the nature of a smaller Catholic high school. The school doesn't survive without these "meddling" parents and they feel they have a right to speak their peace.
Parents being so heavily involved in athletic teams and the school overall is one of the big things that makes STA different (in a good way most of the time) and special. STA doesn't fund their athletic programs from tax dollars....they pay for uniforms, gas for buses, referees, upkeep of facilities, etc. through ticket sales to parents and alums, fundraisers (often with donated items and donated time from parents), and parents just footing the bill for something themselves for the team.
When a parent writes a check for $1,000 or $5,000 or $20,000 to help the athletic programs or the school, how do you tell them..."thanks for the money, now keep your mouth shut about the coaches and the direction of the program?"
Now I'm not saying some parents don't go overboard trying to get too critical about coaches on-the-field decisions....but STA can hardly tell them to totally butt out of the athletic teams business for all the reasons cited above.
Ok, I am going to make a comment and try not to get any one fired up. I was around for all of this the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s were great fun. There were between 500-1000 students and St. Thomas in those days. We would joke later that was the time when poor kids could still go to school there and they were extremely valuable to the school and the athletic programs. It is hard to explain, but some kids have stuff handed to them all their lives and some get what god provides and that is about all. When you strap a helmet or lace up your shoes it all evens out. The players with the drive are the ones that provide the leadership and results follow. 1975 was the best example of that time and those kind of players.
Now, when the 80’s rolled around the organizations popped up and I do not mean what they would call the adult booster club (which was all there was early on) these organizations “specialized” and with that specialization some of what was written about in an earlier post became the norm. It was no longer a melting pot of rich and not as rich. It became I pay this much and you pay that much. Now, there was still a great deal of success with those groups and we still had a lot of fun following the teams. Many of those money guys got discouraged because of one reason or another (this player plays too much, this one does not play enough…. I paid all this money for this kind of treatment… this is not like the old days) and pulled what we could call the old money out of St. Thomas. Not all of them mind you, but the guys that were buying their allegiance left with the thought they were going to teach some lessons. Some how, even with all the changes with the economy, the feeder schools, etc. the place is still here. Must be the folks in charge know how to run the place. Of course, there are financial supporters. We all know that in these times they are the life blood. These folks made their money doing whatever they do and it is not running a school or coaching a team. Leave that to administrators and coaches especially when you have a good one.
I have already said way too much and that is because I love and respect the place as much as I do. I did not say any of this to argue with any one, it is just we lost a good coach and any one who has spent the time around the place that I have knows the goods ones from the not so good. If you are given the job of finding the next guy, then do your job.
Listen everyone, I will make this real simple. St. Thomas can hire one of two types of coaches
1. Retired older guy 2. Young first time head coach
Aquinas can not attract an established head coach for the following reasons:
NO TEACHING JOBS/LACK OF COMPETITIVE TEACHING PAY
NON-COMPETITVE COACHING STIPENDS
Because of these economic drawbacks, the school must hire someone who is working outside of the school. This leaves only two types of candidates. Someone who is retired and looking for a last hurrah or a young first time head coach looking for a stepping stone.
If Aquinas wants first rate programs, why don't they hire their coaches to work in the building? Why are their coaching stipends so small? It is hard to put together a good staff when you can't even compensate people for their mileage.
You guys can make wish lists and whatever, but the school is not committed to winning. Pretty much if they don't get too many complaints, the coach can stay forever win or lose. If they get complaints, the coach will be removed.
Listen everyone, I will make this real simple. St. Thomas can hire one of two types of coaches
1. Retired older guy 2. Young first time head coach
Aquinas can not attract an established head coach for the following reasons:
NO TEACHING JOBS/LACK OF COMPETITIVE TEACHING PAY
NON-COMPETITVE COACHING STIPENDS
Because of these economic drawbacks, the school must hire someone who is working outside of the school. This leaves only two types of candidates. Someone who is retired and looking for a last hurrah or a young first time head coach looking for a stepping stone.
If Aquinas wants first rate programs, why don't they hire their coaches to work in the building? Why are their coaching stipends so small? It is hard to put together a good staff when you can't even compensate people for their mileage.
You guys can make wish lists and whatever, but the school is not committed to winning. Pretty much if they don't get too many complaints, the coach can stay forever win or lose. If they get complaints, the coach will be removed.
These schools can only pay what they can afford to pay. It's not in the budget to create new positions that aren't essential to the school's existence in order to attract coaches.
St. Thomas Aquinas isn't the only school that has to operate within this framework. Schools that operate within this framework don't like having to fill coaching vacancies because they know that their resources are limited, and they know how difficult it is to find a quality candidate who is willing to work with such limited resources.
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yeah bu those old guys or young inexperienced guys can RECRUIT ! that is a positive aspect to the job !
I am so damn sick and tired of people accusing ALL Catholic schools of recruiting. Canton Central and St. Thomas ARE NOT Ignatius, Eds, St. X, or Glenville or Glenoak for that matter.
These schools draw from an ever decreasing pool of loyal parochial families. They also attract a few families from public middle schools who are looking for a faith element in their curriculum.
Please tell me what difference makers these schools have recruited in the past 6-7 years. Please!
These schools can only pay what they can afford to pay. It's not in the budget to create new positions that aren't essential to the school's existence in order to attract coaches.
St. Thomas Aquinas isn't the only school that has to work within this framework. Schools that work within this framework don't like having to fill coaching vacancies because they know that their resources are limited, and they know how difficult it is to find a quality candidate that is willing to work with such limited resources.
I agree with you 110%. That's why I'm puzzled by a couple of things. First, Aquinas supporters need to understand these constraints and adjust their "wish-lists" accordingly.
Second, that's why it pains me when Aquinas parents run good coaches out of the school. The parents were rough on Coach Harold the past couple of seasons. They already ran Coach Madden out of the football program. These parents just don't understand that it is so difficult for small Catholic schools to find great coaches. Please, just let the coaches coach or every two years we will be having the same discussion.
It seems awfully convenient to say 6-7 years instead of making it an even 10 years, which would include the Jackson family and Greg Fite.
Not to mention guys like Makedo Wisseh and Rodell Sheeler. Still, St. Thomas is not the type of parochial school as some of those mentioned above (Benedictine, Ignatius, St. Ed's, etc.). Other than that 10-12 year stretch (which really only involved 6-7 kids coming through Aquinas), by and large they have their "own" kids year in and year out.
It seems awfully convenient to say 6-7 years instead of making it an even 10 years, which would include the Jackson family and Greg Fite.
Exactly right I said 6-7 years. That stuff ended when the new regime took over (Fr. Dyer) at Aquinas. To lump all Catholic schools together is just plain wrong AND ignorant. It is an easy CRUTCH for losing public schools.
it isn't wrong or ignorant to state the simple FACT that Catholic schools can recruit ...... I don't know if they do or don't but I do know they CAN ! and a successful coach probably will to certain degree !!
A typically bogus statement from Bailey. You are correct that every catholic school can recruit just as you would be correct tto state that all public schools CAN recruit. It is against the rules to do so, but any school, public, private, charter, whatever can, if they decide to, recruit. Some catholic schools do. Some public schools do. Bailey only sees the privates who he THINKS recruit and he has issues with them, but can't seem to come to terms with the fact that "transferring" is rampant among public schools as well. But that's okay with him because he is a religious bigot
Exactly right I said 6-7 years. That stuff ended when the new regime took over (Fr. Dyer) at Aquinas. To lump all Catholic schools together is just plain wrong AND ignorant. It is an easy CRUTCH for losing public schools.
Are you saying that shady stuff was happening at St. Thomas prior to 6-7 years ago? If so, how can you blame somebody for lumping them in with the rest of the private schools?
weird.
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