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Old 03-30-12, 11:00 AM
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Old 03-30-12, 01:45 PM
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I'm going to say it'll be Manchester and CVCA. Manchester's QB situation is good, but beyond that there are plenty of questions. If Nick Peyakov has protection, and if he has receivers who can get open and catch the ball, and if Manchester can develop a running game, I like the Panthers to win the league. Of course, that's providing Manchester rebounds on defense from a very uncharacteristic showing last year. Manchester certainly has the coaching that can get them there.

I think CVCA is going to have some athletes and they are well coached. They too have a quality QB returning. They usually have pretty good team speed and they are disciplined.

My darkhorse is Indian Valley. That freshman RB they had last year was very good, and he's only going to get better.
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Old 03-30-12, 07:56 PM
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Old 03-31-12, 07:45 AM
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Does anyone know what Timken has coming back? I know they lost Oree, Rorie, the wide receiver, the fullback/lb, and a lot up front. I think they may take a step back next year. Can anyone provide anymore insight on the Trojans?
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Old 04-01-12, 08:27 PM
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Old 04-04-12, 01:14 AM
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Old 04-06-12, 07:20 PM
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What does CVCA have coming back? Oh, nothing
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Old 04-07-12, 08:38 AM
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What does CVCA have coming back? Oh, nothing
CVCA has a good QB returning. They have also entered the era of reloading. They now have the reach to attract talent from a wide area and they are finally embracing that fact of life. CVCA will never have a bad team from here on and they will eventually outgrow the PAC to take their place with the SVSM's, Walsh's and Hobans of the world. They're already doing it in several other sports. CVCA will win at least a share of the PAC title if they don't win it outright.
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Old 04-07-12, 11:38 AM
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everyone says that every single year about them though. They have always had the ability to bring kids in, and most of the time fail. Also there QB is not very good
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Old 04-07-12, 03:54 PM
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Again, does anyone know what Timken has coming back? Are they getting kids from McK due to the coaching change? I know they graduated Oree and Smith, however have a decent/good qb back in Williams. Can anyone tell me anything about them in further detail?
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Old 04-07-12, 09:07 PM
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everyone says that every single year about them though. They have always had the ability to bring kids in, and most of the time fail. Also there QB is not very good
Not very good? I guess you know something more than the PAC coaches who vote on the All Pac team last fall
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Old 04-08-12, 06:45 AM
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Not very good? I guess you know something more than the PAC coaches who vote on the All Pac team last fall
What makes you think that there is a vote?
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Old 04-08-12, 08:37 AM
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What makes you think that there is a vote?
ok nominate
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Old 04-08-12, 09:57 AM
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Not very good? I guess you know something more than the PAC coaches who vote on the All Pac team last fall
The coaches from each school vote for their own players. Not every PAC school is involved for First team and Honorable mention, the only votes all of the PAC schools are involved in are the Player of year and Specialist of Year. And last time i checked that QB for CVCA has a daddy at Head coach.

Oh and his stats are by far below average.
40-90 44.4 completion percentage 50.8 ypg 8 tds 4 ints.

not very worthy of First team
probably not worthy enough for first team in Pop Warner

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Old 04-08-12, 09:59 AM
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Again, does anyone know what Timken has coming back? Are they getting kids from McK due to the coaching change? I know they graduated Oree and Smith, however have a decent/good qb back in Williams. Can anyone tell me anything about them in further detail?
I'm not sure what Timken is going to have coming back. But they can always improve every year especially with that coach. He's there for the right reasons, he wants to help.
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Old 04-08-12, 10:57 PM
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The coaches from each school vote for their own players. Not every PAC school is involved for First team and Honorable mention, the only votes all of the PAC schools are involved in are the Player of year and Specialist of Year. And last time i checked that QB for CVCA has a daddy at Head coach.

Oh and his stats are by far below average.
40-90 44.4 completion percentage 50.8 ypg 8 tds 4 ints.

not very worthy of First team
probably not worthy enough for first team in Pop Warner

Hmmmmmm what numbers do you expect from a wing t offense? Don't they run the ball 85% of the time regardless of who is the QB is?
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Old 04-08-12, 11:38 PM
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Hmmmmmm what numbers do you expect from a wing t offense? Don't they run the ball 85% of the time regardless of who is the QB is?
Well if you wanna get technical here usually when you run the ball good, and a lot the passing seems to follow if you have a good quarterback. So if you run 85% of the time the defense probably thinks your going to run it therefore you can catch them off guard with the pass. But according to his stats it doesn't seem like he takes advantage of his run first offense with his completion percentage when the defense is thinking run. Which according to you is 85% of the time! stats don't lie, just because they run the ball a lot doesn't mean he can't complete passes
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Old 04-09-12, 12:34 AM
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Why pass at all? They have ran pretty much at will on teams for the last 10 years or so. Made the playoffs 7 out of the last 10. At least shared the PAC title 2 of the last 3 with him at QB. You make him sound like he has no business on the field. Did you lose to them or something. ?
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Old 04-09-12, 06:43 AM
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The coaches from each school vote for their own players. Not every PAC school is involved for First team and Honorable mention, the only votes all of the PAC schools are involved in are the Player of year and Specialist of Year. And last time i checked that QB for CVCA has a daddy at Head coach.

Oh and his stats are by far below average.
40-90 44.4 completion percentage 50.8 ypg 8 tds 4 ints.

not very worthy of First team
probably not worthy enough for first team in Pop Warner

Are you his backup? backup's dad?
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Old 04-09-12, 06:55 AM
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Why pass at all? They have ran pretty much at will on teams for the last 10 years or so. Made the playoffs 7 out of the last 10. At least shared the PAC title 2 of the last 3 with him at QB. You make him sound like he has no business on the field. Did you lose to them or something. ?
Anyone can hand the ball off. Even i could get out there and do that. not pass at all? Quit being arrogant.
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Old 04-09-12, 06:55 AM
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Are you his backup? backup's dad?
You know it big guy
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Old 04-09-12, 07:02 AM
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Why pass at all? They have ran pretty much at will on teams for the last 10 years or so. Made the playoffs 7 out of the last 10. At least shared the PAC title 2 of the last 3 with him at QB. You make him sound like he has no business on the field. Did you lose to them or something. ?
And they have only shared it once the last three years with him at QB which was last year. They always get to that last game with the title at stake but can't finish...
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Old 04-09-12, 11:42 AM
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red dragon 22 what school are you from? hmm im guessing manchester becuase thats the only school you seem to like ... and Alter QB Malik Zaire, whose going to notre dame is terrible too, according to you... the only qb you seem to like is manchesters, right?
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Old 04-09-12, 11:59 AM
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red dragon 22 what school are you from? hmm im guessing manchester becuase thats the only school you seem to like ... and Alter QB Malik Zaire, whose going to notre dame is terrible too, according to you... the only qb you seem to like is manchesters, right?
I bet he doesn't even play or possibly never played at all. He probably was or is a bench warmer or maybe played some special teams. Maybe he was in the band or something.
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Old 04-09-12, 11:23 PM
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red dragon 22 what school are you from? hmm im guessing manchester becuase thats the only school you seem to like ... and Alter QB Malik Zaire, whose going to notre dame is terrible too, according to you... the only qb you seem to like is manchesters, right?
Canal Fulton Northwest. Graduated in '77, and i never said that the Zaire kid is terrible I've seen the kid play in person Malik is extremely athletic, and a competitor. Plus Notre Dame has Gunner Kiel coming in with this 2012 class I can't see him getting in at QB. However, I just simply said that at the college level IMO Zaire is a wide out, or slot receiver because of his athletic ability. Kind of like what Middletown's Jalin Marshall is going to do at Ohio State. And i do like the Peyakov kid, i feel that if he was at a bigger school he would get just as much attention as Zaire, Trubisky, and Roback. But once again my opinion, don't take it to heart.
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Old 04-10-12, 12:53 PM
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We keep talking about Peyakov, but what receiving weapons will he have? He can't throw it to himself (Well, he could, but I don't think the result would be that great!). What sort of running game does Manchester expect to have? How's their line going to shape up? How many returning up front?
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Old 04-10-12, 01:34 PM
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We keep talking about Peyakov, but what receiving weapons will he have? He can't throw it to himself (Well, he could, but I don't think the result would be that great!). What sort of running game does Manchester expect to have? How's their line going to shape up? How many returning up front?
That's the problem. i think Robertson should be better this year, and maybe a few sophs that will be juniors next year step up. And manchester always finds that kid that can just flat out run so it should be a toss up at rb. And with Matteo and the rest of the offensive line besides a tackle and a guard leaving, kids are just going to have to step up. The season should either go good or bad for the panthers this upcoming season. Hopefully they have some sort of defense that can slow someone down a little at least this year
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Old 04-11-12, 11:51 AM
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Canal Fulton Northwest. Graduated in '77, and i never said that the Zaire kid is terrible I've seen the kid play in person Malik is extremely athletic, and a competitor. Plus Notre Dame has Gunner Kiel coming in with this 2012 class I can't see him getting in at QB. However, I just simply said that at the college level IMO Zaire is a wide out, or slot receiver because of his athletic ability. Kind of like what Middletown's Jalin Marshall is going to do at Ohio State. And i do like the Peyakov kid, i feel that if he was at a bigger school he would get just as much attention as Zaire, Trubisky, and Roback. But once again my opinion, don't take it to heart.
So a kid who is extremely athletic cant play quarterback? And Gunnel Keil is the end all be all. What a bunch of baloney. the kiel kid is not even the second best kid on the roster at the position. I think folks get caught up on what other so called experts say about a kid who comes in with all of these awards and such and a BS title of being the number one is this or that. Your views are a little off based simply because you assume kiel is better right? Well you are not on point here because he isnt and wont be better. He looks like a stiff crow out there and is another waay over rated kid who will be dissapointed in the end because he just doent have "it" to be a great QB. It would not surprise me if he doesnt transfer next year because from what I understand is that he doesnt have a very high football IQ. which is needed in this offense. Not calling the kid stupid because if he was that he would not be able to get into the university, Only stating that he is not a big time Qb. he would of better been suited for ball State or Eastern Michigan. You will see. As for the Zaire kid all he does is win baby win and from what I have seen of him and watch him grow he is not only a great talent but from what I heard from the coaches and other colleges coaches is that he is very bright and his potential is extremly high and with some quarter back coaching this kid is going to be very exciting to watch on saturdays and perhaps on sunday.......
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Old 04-11-12, 12:43 PM
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So a kid who is extremely athletic cant play quarterback? And Gunnel Keil is the end all be all. What a bunch of baloney. the kiel kid is not even the second best kid on the roster at the position. I think folks get caught up on what other so called experts say about a kid who comes in with all of these awards and such and a BS title of being the number one is this or that. Your views are a little off based simply because you assume kiel is better right? Well you are not on point here because he isnt and wont be better. He looks like a stiff crow out there and is another waay over rated kid who will be dissapointed in the end because he just doent have "it" to be a great QB. It would not surprise me if he doesnt transfer next year because from what I understand is that he doesnt have a very high football IQ. which is needed in this offense. Not calling the kid stupid because if he was that he would not be able to get into the university, Only stating that he is not a big time Qb. he would of better been suited for ball State or Eastern Michigan. You will see. As for the Zaire kid all he does is win baby win and from what I have seen of him and watch him grow he is not only a great talent but from what I heard from the coaches and other colleges coaches is that he is very bright and his potential is extremly high and with some quarter back coaching this kid is going to be very exciting to watch on saturdays and perhaps on sunday.......
Malik as a junior:
36-82 completions 729 yards passing 43.9 completion percentage 5 passing touchdowns 2 interceptions 86 QUARTERBACK rating

Wide receiver or slot receiver in college football.
A great football talent just not at the quarterback position IMO
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Old 04-11-12, 06:30 PM
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Again RD22 they run an offense that is based on running the ball 80% of the time.

My question why aren't you working in the NFL or some D1 college as a QB talent scout. Obviously from your posts you know much more than the average high school football fan . What do these professionals who do this stuff for a living and make good money know about evaluating players?They can just jump on yappi or follow you on twitter and make their life easy. Just curious, why didn't you post his rushing stats?

Using your logic I guess Tajh Boyd at Clemson wouldn't have been on your radar either his senior year. I mean he only threw for about 150 yards a game as a senior. Using your logic he shouldn't have been recruited by Clemson and the SEC teams that ALL wanted him. Oh yea he only passed for 3,828 yards and 33 TDs as a sophomore this season for the Tigers.

Another example would be RG3, as a senior in high school he recorded 1,285 rushing yards, 24 touchdowns, and passed 1,356 yards for 16 touchdowns with seven interceptions. According to your standard he probably wasn't going to project as that good a QB either.

I'm going to go out on a limb a say maybe, just maybe Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly and the QB coach Chuck Martin may know a bit more than you do about the potential they see in Malik Zaire. IMO
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