Maybe football excluded...Kenton would be a perfect fit for the BVC. Look what a change did for Coldwater and Delphos St John's when they left the WBL for the MAC
With schools like Ada and Riverdale being rumored for the BVC, Kenton would give that Hardin County addition.
Kenton is very competitive with area schools and the change would help the Wildcats on travel and gas cost...
Riverdale isn't going to the BVC -they already voted to go to the N10 and was board approved.
Certain BVC folk are already complaining about Liberty-Benton - Kenton surely wouldn't go over well. From a football standpoint, it wouldn't work on either side.
BVC was looking at a Hardin Co school, that is why we mentioned that and we had the confirmation on from the Supt who sent us an email - www.theseniorreports.com/ohio.htm
in other sports (you will see above i said -"Maybe football excluded")...Ada has also been mentioned and there football has also been pretty good...Kenton just ran out of Mauk kids to play QB..
why don't you run this past your friends at Rocketville
Nobody talks about it as being an issue, but it is ...
the AD is the football coach and his son was Mr. Ohio in football...Matty Mauk...the WBL offers Kenton good computer points and even though WBL has not been a real football power over the years...they collect good points with the bigger schools...
Kenton does compete out of conf well...the last WBL title in the other sports for Kenton was 19 years ago in Boys golf...they have been 10th in the all sports trophy for the last 3 years and are headed to # 4 this year...before that they were 9th..
in 70 yrs in the WBL (joined in 1942) Kenton Wildcats WBL Championships
Boys Basketball (4): 81, 67, 63, 57
Football (9): 11, 10, 09, 08, 02, 01, 98, 87, 48
Golf (5): 93, 83, 71, 66, 62
Boys Tennis (1): 73
Girls Tennis (4): 80, 79, 78, 77
Boys Track (7): 68, 62, 61, 60, 59, 57, 55
Volleyball (1): 83
Seriously..we are back to thios again..when will you answer a questuion that was asked of you MONTHS ago..what the heck do you have against Kenton and wanting them out of the WBL? And please spare me the bs of" they have not won enough championships" that you like to throw out there
adog...you should do your homework I have...I have talked to some WBL administrators, coaches on this issue...some who also think it is time for them to find a new home..
If you remember I have nothing against Kenton, a chnage would benefit them as a program...the athletes in the other sports need a chance to compete with schools who are equals...Kenton's non-conf record is far better then it's WBL record in most sports..
Kenton is currently looking at a new building program for a new preK-6 elementary school ...why, because they need it to fit their needs the old one does not fulfill the current needs of the students...the change to a new building will...do they hate the old building, no they a new one to meet the current needs and conditions..
Kenton is not a good fit for the WBL now, if so, let's see the value they have for it...here is your chance.
The problem is the AD very simple...all he cares about is the football program...if he was given a report card every year for the entire athletic program he would fail...all sports trophy standings prove that, they have secured the #10 spot, even with the football title...
His job is to oversee the entire athletic dept, not just football...I stand by my findings and still think it is time for them to move on.
The BVC plan is to help some of the smaller schools like HN, Arcadia and Vanlue - and overall I don't see Kenton doing that. Nor do I see that as a benefit to Kenton - it's still a large school in comparison to the BVC schools.
I agree that Kenton might benefit from change, but I can't see a primarly Div. V-VI (III-IV) conference as the answer.
adog...you should do your homework I have...I have talked to some WBL administrators, coaches on this issue...some who also think it is time for them to find a new home..
If you remember I have nothing against Kenton, a chnage would benefit them as a program...the athletes in the other sports need a chance to compete with schools who are equals...Kenton's non-conf record is far better then it's WBL record in most sports..
Kenton is currently looking at a new building program for a new preK-6 elementary school ...why, because they need it to fit their needs the old one does not fulfill the current needs of the students...the change to a new building will...do they hate the old building, no they a new one to meet the current needs and conditions..
Kenton is not a good fit for the WBL now, if so, let's see the value they have for it...here is your chance.
The problem is the AD very simple...all he cares about is the football program...if he was given a report card every year for the entire athletic program he would fail...all sports trophy standings prove that, they have secured the #10 spot, even with the football title...
His job is to oversee the entire athletic dept, not just football...I stand by my findings and still think it is time for them to move on.
Ok so you say you have talked to other AD's and coaches of the WBL? Names? or is one those "anonymous sources" reporters like to quote all the time? And why would other AD's/coaches think Kenton should move on? Because they stink at other sports besides football? or is it because (FINALLY you admit your issue with Kenton) because of Mauk. Trust me, I know a hell of a lot of Kentonites who do not like him themselves, but if you are a true reporter...give the facts as you did, Kentoin has failed in sports besides football and leave it at that. Do not interject your personal opinion that Kenton shold move on and call that "reporting" If that is what you want to do..call it what it is...an opinion.
Kenton size wise, is a very good fit for the WBL. Geographicaly they are on the outskirts of the conference, but show me a conference with schools the size of WBL schools who don't have travel issues.
So they do not compete in the other sports...why in the world would other WBL coaches care? It all boils down to football and the Coach/AD is what other schools do not like.
What value does Kenton bring to the WBL? In other sports I will admit, not much, But in football they are known through out the state which then translates into recognition for the WBL.
My personal opinion does not mean squat, but what I have a problem with, is your insistance that Kenton move on because of "other" sports. My opinion even though it means squat ( as your does to me), is that you still have ties to a certain WBL school by the lake that has a hard time accepting Kenton dominance over your team in football. Relax..the AD will retire soon at Kenton and then they will suck at everysport just for you....
It was not a AD...it was administration, also have talked with some Kenton coaches...Kenton has had a great run in football...but so have other schools in the WBL in the past...Kenton is way behind them
St Marys was 3-6 this past year and VW 0-9 this year and they have not won a FB title since 1987...the same will happen to Kenton
If the State had a report card for kenton athletics how would they rate...the AD/Coach has only one concern football, WBL as a conf has had it's share of good football, but most folks would not say it was a strong FB conf...
One of my least favorite places to do a game on radio was Kenton...would not cry to see them leave...but a move for them would be a positive for the entire athletic program///10th the last 3 years in all sports trophy and headed that way again...
I see Kenton is looking at a new elementary building? Most likely because the old one has some issues and not meeting the needs of the students...same with the WBL, time to find a new conf. I think the info on Coldwater and DSJ moving to another conf backs that up. Winning is a process, losing is hard to change in the wrong enviroment...
I also shared the plan below with all of the Hardin Co Schools and there was some real interest, until kenton said we are not interested at even considering it, even though it would have allowed them an opportunity for their other sports..The AD did not like my article...
Hardin County Athletic Conference - 1-9-11
This request for your reply is being done by The Senior Reports. We do not represent any school.
Please look over the information below, we are only sending this to the AD's at this time. The HCAC would be considered a secondary conference and no school would have to leave their present conference. The HCAC would help to solidify your present athletic program.
Hardin County Athletic Conference - would include the following schools - Ada, Hardin Northern, Kenton, Ridgemont, Riverdale and Upper Scioto Valley
No football would be included and only sports that all of the above schools presently have would be considered league sports.
The HCAC would help with scheduling issues and also cut down on travel costs and time on the bus for your student-athletes.
This will also allow add some added excitement, games that count, chances for a conference title and student-athletes a chance to be an all-conference selection. There are a lot of benefits to being involved.
Would like your comments on the above -
1- Would you even consider this for your school
2- Suggestions on how to make a HCAC work
3- other comments...
Feel free to ask us why we even sent this email to you?
also...this concept is not new, a matter of fact one area conference has made it work for many years...
PUTNAM COUNTY LEAGUE
Columbus Grove (also member of the Northwest Conference)
Continental
Fort Jennings
Kalida
Leipsic (also a member of the Blanchard Valley Conference) Miller City
Ottoville
Pandora-Gilboa (also a member of the Blanchard Valley Conference)
Why would Kenton want to leave a great league like the WBL? It's one of the better medium-sized school conferences in Ohio. They are highly competitive in football, and that typically is the big dog of sports at most high schools. If Kenton ever decides to prioritize winning in other sports, the WBL would seem to be a great league for it, as WBL success tends to translate to postseason success in most sports.
Cjb...it has been in the WBL seventy years...had plenty of time to make that happen...last non football title was in 1993...how many of you would be happy to have your school stuck in a mess like that...
Is Kenton still in the same educational programs since 1942? nope...why because it wouldn't work now...athletics should be treated the same way...time for a change..
Kenton has 30 WBL titles in over 70 years..
read the article ...all my reasons are there...
Coldwater and DJ left, worked great for them and still is...
Cjb...it has been in the WBL seventy years...had plenty of time to make that happen...last non football title was in 1993...how many of you would be happy to have your school stuck in a mess like that...
Is Kenton still in the same educational programs since 1942? nope...why because it wouldn't work now...athletics should be treated the same way...time for a change..
Kenton has 30 WBL titles in over 70 years..
read the article ...all my reasons are there...
Coldwater and DJ left, worked great for them and still is...
Coldwater left because, at the time, they were getting too small to compete with what were much larger schools like Memorial and Celina. Heck, outside a few decent years here and there, Coldwater had no strong football tradition until Coach Reed took over and built them into the Coldwater we all know today.
Kenton competes strongly in football, which is the main sport that drives most conference changes, so why would they leave the WBL? I'm sure Celina would trade all those secondary sport conference titles for the type of football success Kenton has been enjoying in the WBL.
Coach Reed who was a friend of mine...also won the only MAC football titles Parkway has had...would have most likely won in the WBL too with Coldwater...
It's a different time. When CW left, there was a large enrollment gap between them and the larger WBL schools. With the shrinking enrollments in many WBL districts, Kenton is not that far below the largest WBL schools. I'm sure Kenton could compete in the other sports more favorably if they cared about them a little more. It doesn't seem like they are concerned with anything other than football success, so I doubt they see any need to sever a long relationship in the WBL.
enrollment, may be a part of Kenton's problem...but the FACTS show they are not competitive in all the other sports... they are competitive with non-conf contests around their region, check the records on the WBL site..
I also know that Kenton has been approached on several new conference options, good ones,,,
Part of the problem is that you are measuring competitiveness solely by conference titles. That does not take into account Kenton's winning percentage in any of their sports, number of winning seasons, number of upper division finishes within the league, number of sectional, district, regional and state titles in all sports, etc...
You are painting Kenton as the perennial WBL doormat in every sport, season after season. Maybe that's the case. I don't know. Maybe, however, Kenton is like Orrville. A small school in a bigger school league, where they might not wrack up conference titles all the time, but they are competitive with the bigger schools and they achieve excellent postseason success when they face only schools their own size.
Until you measure the above factors, you really can't paint a complete portrait of Kenton's overall competitiveness in the WBL.
cjb...they are the doormat...3 years in a row 10th in the all sports trophy, will get #4 in a row this year...and that is with a winning football program
A lot of good reading on this thread. With that being said here's my input...
The WBL is a great conference and loaded with great teams. It seems every league champ makes a deep run in each sport in the tournament. Kenton shouldn't go down in other sports to achieve success imo, that's the wrong thing to do. Because then 5 years later they'll all be complaining how they should go back to the WBL because they're ready for big time competition. Stay in and try to create a winning atmosphere in other sports. Bottomline is every conference needs a doormat
A lot of good reading on this thread. With that being said here's my input...
The WBL is a great conference and loaded with great teams. It seems every league champ makes a deep run in each sport in the tournament. Kenton shouldn't go down in other sports to achieve success imo, that's the wrong thing to do. Because then 5 years later they'll all be complaining how they should go back to the WBL because they're ready for big time competition. Stay in and try to create a winning atmosphere in other sports. Bottomline is every conference needs a doormat
Excellent post. There is no reason for Kenton to leave the WBL. They can commit to competing in the WBL. So maybe they are at the bottom of the WBL in most sports, as was pointed out, every league has someone at the bottom. So Kenton goes to some smaller school league and gets more wins, but some school in that league is going to be in last place in a bunch of sports...do you move them to another league?
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