The players I know on this list are fine players. Not sure why they are not committed yet, but I know the NCAA rule changes on recruiting narrowed the options that baseball coaches have. And some may have committed, but didn't report it to BS.
The players I know on this list are fine players. Not sure why they are not committed yet, but I know the NCAA rule changes on recruiting narrowed the options that baseball coaches have. And some may have committed, but didn't report it to BS.
Some may be waiting for the proverbial D1 offer that will never come. Because these players are on here, it does not mean they are D1 players. Most fathers want to think their sons are D1, and the truth is their are very few true D1 players who will garner scholarship offers. Their are plenty very good JUCO, NAIA, and D2,3 colleges where some of these players would get a chance to play right away. Some do not have the grades.
Some may be waiting for the proverbial D1 offer that will never come. Because these players are on here, it does not mean they are D1 players. Most fathers want to think their sons are D1, and the truth is their are very few true D1 players who will garner scholarship offers. Their are plenty very good JUCO, NAIA, and D2,3 colleges where some of these players would get a chance to play right away. Some do not have the grades.
Why are you speculating about the reason these players haven't yet signed? You seem to post on many issues and you do have some valuable inside knowledge but I personally think that you are way off base on your comments.
I highly doubt Dads are waiting for their sons to go D1 thus not allowing them to sign early. I also doubt that grades are an issue for most of these boys. If they were I would think they will be or have already committed to a JUCO. The main reason these players are unsigned is they feel that something better is on the horizon. When I say they I mean the family, player and other coaches or advisors. I am sure that most of these kids have options and they will decide when to pull the trigger when it is best for all parties involved.
I do agree that the other options you mentioned above are possibilities that should be considered. Let's see what happens in the near future about these young men college choices.
By the way, Hardy has accepted a football scholarship to play at Dartmouth. He is a great athelete that excels in baseball, football and basketball along with the classroom. Congrats Chris!!!!!!
I Kind Of Disagree With The Waiting For A Better Deal Scenario By This Time All The Deals Should Have Been Offered. The Grade Issue Could Be A Factor Like In Our Case. But, I Hope No Player Out There Should Think That He Has Backed Himself Into A Corner. I Actually Like The Circumstance Were In. Due To The Talent That My Boy Is Blessed With Going To A Jr.college Eliminates The 3yr Waiting Period For The Draft. If Your Talent Level Is Opening Eyes Out There And You Feel That You Have A Chance To Sign Its Not A Gamble You Can Always Go Back To School At A Later Date.
Why are you speculating about the reason these players haven't yet signed? You seem to post on many issues and you do have some valuable inside knowledge but I personally think that you are way off base on your comments.
I highly doubt Dads are waiting for their sons to go D1 thus not allowing them to sign early. I also doubt that grades are an issue for most of these boys. If they were I would think they will be or have already committed to a JUCO. The main reason these players are unsigned is they feel that something better is on the horizon. When I say they I mean the family, player and other coaches or advisors. I am sure that most of these kids have options and they will decide when to pull the trigger when it is best for all parties involved.
I do agree that the other options you mentioned above are possibilities that should be considered. Let's see what happens in the near future about these young men college choices.
By the way, Hardy has accepted a football scholarship to play at Dartmouth. He is a great athelete that excels in baseball, football and basketball along with the classroom. Congrats Chris!!!!!!
Iluvbaseball: I did not mean to stir the pot, I just know from being around many great baseball players that their fathers have expected them to go D1. When reality sets in it can sometimes be hard to deal with. I have a number of players on the board from my program and one will be drafted and has already committed, another went D1, and the other is the fastest athlete in this part of the country, has five tools, many offers but is not signed. He is Legit D1 and should be in the top 5 or 10 but was just discovered when he began playing for our program. He is one of those who will sign a very nice offer. With 6.4 60 speed, able to hit for average and power, 3.9 to first from the right, 4.29 40, very nice hands, and an above average throwing arm.. We also want our players to be known and try to help by supporting them on their quest to play collegiately. I think JUCO and NAIA are great options and give kids the chance to play immediately like Touchmall's son. They did their homework and found that their is life other than D1. And many top level programs like the southern powerhouses are looking for seasoned JUCO players. Nothing is more impressive than playin on a JUCO team and turning heads. The player will garner respect from the 4 year programs and from professional baseball. Did not mean to insinuate that all the kids in the top 70 fell into the waiting for a D1 offer. But I have seen it happen a lot this year.
Iluvbaseball: I did not mean to stir the pot, I just know from being around many great baseball players that their fathers have expected them to go D1. When reality sets in it can sometimes be hard to deal with. I have a number of players on the board from my program and one will be drafted and has already committed, another went D1, and the other is the fastest athlete in this part of the country, has five tools, many offers but is not signed. He is Legit D1 and should be in the top 5 or 10 but was just discovered when he began playing for our program. He is one of those who will sign a very nice offer. With 6.4 60 speed, able to hit for average and power, 3.9 to first from the right, 4.29 40, very nice hands, and an above average throwing arm.. We also want our players to be known and try to help by supporting them on their quest to play collegiately. I think JUCO and NAIA are great options and give kids the chance to play immediately like Touchmall's son. They did their homework and found that their is life other than D1. And many top level programs like the southern powerhouses are looking for seasoned JUCO players. Nothing is more impressive than playin on a JUCO team and turning heads. The player will garner respect from the 4 year programs and from professional baseball. Did not mean to insinuate that all the kids in the top 70 fell into the waiting for a D1 offer. But I have seen it happen a lot this year.
AmericaOne - First of all, I enjoy your posts; they make sense. One question, though; I can understand why a kid might sign with a JUCO, but what are the advantages of signing with an NAIA rather than, say, a good D2 or a good D3? I thought I had heard that NAIA's are becoming fewer and fewer so ultimately, there will be less schools to compete against. I know that NAIA's can often give a better monetary package, though.
AmericaOne - First of all, I enjoy your posts; they make sense. One question, though; I can understand why a kid might sign with a JUCO, but what are the advantages of signing with an NAIA rather than, say, a good D2 or a good D3? I thought I had heard that NAIA's are becoming fewer and fewer so ultimately, there will be less schools to compete against. I know that NAIA's can often give a better monetary package, though.
Not to butt in however I will try to answer your question - NAIA can give some athletic money assistance and in most instances have lower admission standards than D-2 and D-3 schools. D-2 schools are just one level below D-1 and that limits the number of high school players that are recruited by these schools. Many D-2 schools spend alot of time and energy going after D-1 players that are not happy in their situation as transfers. They get the same scholarship allocation as D-1 schools. D-3 schools do not provide athletic money and for alot of D-3 the cost is a big consideration. Academic money and FASFA money (need based) is the only assistance available. Also many D-3 schools have higher admission standards.
The Big X-pretty much right on there. For the DII/III and NAIA schools it will only enhance their programs with the new DI regulations for scholarships and roster size. There will be a trickle down effect that will enhance the overall level of play in those divisions.
Alot of people do not recognize the level of play at the lower divisions. Pretty good baseball played. There are plenty of DII and NAIA schools that can give the SWOhio DI schools a run. Mostly sub DI comes down to roster depth and specifically pitching staff depth.
It is a great experience for all involved, gettting an education and playing baseball. Pretty neat. Good luck to all chasing that dream.
Iluvbaseball: I did not mean to stir the pot, I just know from being around many great baseball players that their fathers have expected them to go D1. When reality sets in it can sometimes be hard to deal with. I have a number of players on the board from my program and one will be drafted and has already committed, another went D1, and the other is the fastest athlete in this part of the country, has five tools, many offers but is not signed. He is Legit D1 and should be in the top 5 or 10 but was just discovered when he began playing for our program. He is one of those who will sign a very nice offer. With 6.4 60 speed, able to hit for average and power, 3.9 to first from the right, 4.29 40, very nice hands, and an above average throwing arm.. We also want our players to be known and try to help by supporting them on their quest to play collegiately. I think JUCO and NAIA are great options and give kids the chance to play immediately like Touchmall's son. They did their homework and found that their is life other than D1. And many top level programs like the southern powerhouses are looking for seasoned JUCO players. Nothing is more impressive than playin on a JUCO team and turning heads. The player will garner respect from the 4 year programs and from professional baseball. Did not mean to insinuate that all the kids in the top 70 fell into the waiting for a D1 offer. But I have seen it happen a lot this year.
AmericaOne, I understand what you were trying to say. I just thought the tone was a little off. Let me add that baseball players (at any level) get overlooked a bit because baseball is far from a science. That is the reason why baseball has about 50 rounds of drafting compared to football (7) and basketball (2).
Baseball players need to work hard and KEEP IMPROVING. If they don't others will pass them by in the future. The best players as Seniors in High School will not necessarily be the best players when they are Seniors in College.
This thread started by questioning why some of these kids on the Buckeye Scout are unsigned. I really think time will tell more than us speculating as to the reason. I am sure all these boys will be playing college ball somewhere. They could be late D1's, D2, D3, JUCO or NAIA. Players need to keep all of their options open. I just wish everyone striving to play ball in college good luck and stay focused on your goals.
AmericaOne, I understand what you were trying to say. I just thought the tone was a little off. Let me add that baseball players (at any level) get overlooked a bit because baseball is far from a science. That is the reason why baseball has about 50 rounds of drafting compared to football (7) and basketball (2).
Baseball players need to work hard and KEEP IMPROVING. If they don't others will pass them by in the future. The best players as Seniors in High School will not necessarily be the best players when they are Seniors in College.
This thread started by questioning why some of these kids on the Buckeye Scout are unsigned. I really think time will tell more than us speculating as to the reason. I am sure all these boys will be playing college ball somewhere. They could be late D1's, D2, D3, JUCO or NAIA. Players need to keep all of their options open. I just wish everyone striving to play ball in college good luck and stay focused on your goals.
Couldn't part of the reason being is that some of these boys are waiting for acceptances and financial aid at some of the DIII schools to see how it stacks up to DI offers if they have any? A DIII package could actually be better...not to mention the academics of the school might be better also.
AmericaOne, I understand what you were trying to say. I just thought the tone was a little off. Let me add that baseball players (at any level) get overlooked a bit because baseball is far from a science. That is the reason why baseball has about 50 rounds of drafting compared to football (7) and basketball (2).
Baseball players need to work hard and KEEP IMPROVING. If they don't others will pass them by in the future. The best players as Seniors in High School will not necessarily be the best players when they are Seniors in College.
This thread started by questioning why some of these kids on the Buckeye Scout are unsigned. I really think time will tell more than us speculating as to the reason. I am sure all these boys will be playing college ball somewhere. They could be late D1's, D2, D3, JUCO or NAIA. Players need to keep all of their options open. I just wish everyone striving to play ball in college good luck and stay focused on your goals.
ILUVBASEBALL: AGREED. I did not intend to have that tone and I feel for the parents and the kids. My son is a late bloomer and just recently hit 5'9", he is a left handed finesse pitcher who does well for Fairfield but I am in the same situation. He is a senior at Fairfield and has signed his Letter of Intent to play at Miami University Hamilton, because he likes Coach Darrel Grissom and Coach D runs the program professionally. He has his players working throughout the offseason and during the fall puts a lot of emphasis on developing his players. He gets many transfers who for one reason or the other leave D1, 2 or 3, NAIA and or JUCO programs. These players are impressed when they see the practices and training that Coach D offers. Coach Grissom also is the Head Coach of our 18U Ohio Heat. Remember these players will receive the same Diploma/Degree from Miami University Hamilton as they would from Miami U. Oxford for 1/4 the cost. I am not saying it is the same thing but for a player like my son who does not fit the mold of a 6' or taller player who can throw 85 MPH. He is the type of player who would be overlooked, but once he is on the mound seems to do what every coach wants and that is WIN games. My son could have chosen NAIA or D3 since he is a lefty and his grades are good but likes the curriculum at Miami and wants to continue playing baseball. The key word is PLAYING not sitting for a couple of years behind a Junior or Sophomore. This was a win/win situation. Not for everyone but a very good alternative. Their are a lot of small Regional Campus programs like Miami, Sinclair, Ohio U. at Newark, etc. that play schools like Rio Grande, Volunteer State, Tenn. Mount St. Joe, Notre Dame/Cleveland, and other D3 and NAIA schools. MUH has won the ORCC 7 of th past 8 years and goes to Florida for 10 days every Spring.
Couldn't part of the reason being is that some of these boys are waiting for acceptances and financial aid at some of the DIII schools to see how it stacks up to DI offers if they have any? A DIII package could actually be better...not to mention the academics of the school might be better also.
ILUVBASEBALL: AGREED. I did not intend to have that tone and I feel for the parents and the kids. My son is a late bloomer and just recently hit 5'9", he is a left handed finesse pitcher who does well for Fairfield but I am in the same situation. He is a senior at Fairfield and has signed his Letter of Intent to play at Miami University Hamilton, because he likes Coach Darrel Grissom and Coach D runs the program professionally. He has his players working throughout the offseason and during the fall puts a lot of emphasis on developing his players. He gets many transfers who for one reason or the other leave D1, 2 or 3, NAIA and or JUCO programs. These players are impressed when they see the practices and training that Coach D offers. Coach Grissom also is the Head Coach of our 18U Ohio Heat. Remember these players will receive the same Diploma/Degree from Miami University Hamilton as they would from Miami U. Oxford for 1/4 the cost. I am not saying it is the same thing but for a player like my son who does not fit the mold of a 6' or taller player who can throw 85 MPH. He is the type of player who would be overlooked, but once he is on the mound seems to do what every coach wants and that is WIN games. My son could have chosen NAIA or D3 since he is a lefty and his grades are good but likes the curriculum at Miami and wants to continue playing baseball. The key word is PLAYING not sitting for a couple of years behind a Junior or Sophomore. This was a win/win situation. Not for everyone but a very good alternative. Their are a lot of small Regional Campus programs like Miami, Sinclair, Ohio U. at Newark, etc. that play schools like Rio Grande, Volunteer State, Tenn. Mount St. Joe, Notre Dame/Cleveland, and other D3 and NAIA schools. MUH has won the ORCC 7 of th past 8 years and goes to Florida for 10 days every Spring.
Congrats to your son. I hope that he excels on the field and in the classroom. I agree there are a ton of great college choices for young men to choose from. Hopefully, they make the choice that is right for them individually. Sometimes a D3 can be a better choice than a D1 but every situation is different.
Congrats to your son. I hope that he excels on the field and in the classroom. I agree there are a ton of great college choices for young men to choose from. Hopefully, they make the choice that is right for them individually. Sometimes a D3 can be a better choice than a D1 but every situation is different.
Thank you. As long as my son is happy and able to pursue his baseball dreams and receive an education at a good school that we as parents can afford. I am happy for him. It is his life and he must be happy. Another big factor is watching your son play in college. If they go far from home you do not get the pleasure and ability to watch their games. I am thankful for that. I also hope that all these young men from Ohio get to fulfill their dreams while getting a degree.
America One-a "letter of intent" to attend Miami-Hamilton. Serious? Letters of intent to attend an Ohio regional campus?
I am happy for your son and family, and you are right on with regard to seeing your son play and the affordability factor. But letter of intent? That is like committing to a DIII school. That is like the "professional pitching instructor", I saw that one on your Heat thread.
America One-a "letter of intent" to attend Miami-Hamilton. Serious? Letters of intent to attend an Ohio regional campus?
I am happy for your son and family, and you are right on with regard to seeing your son play and the affordability factor. But letter of intent? That is like committing to a DIII school. That is like the "professional pitching instructor", I saw that one on your Heat thread.
GCPRO: Would you like me to send you a copy of it. I did not ask for it, it was a requirement of Miami University Hamilton. Yes you do sign a Letter of Intent to play there. And if you truly cared much about the kids from the Fairfield., Hamilton BADIN area you would see that there are some very good players attending Miami University Hamilton. Nothing wrong with Committing to a D3 school. What is your problem? Always cynical. Professional Pitching Instructor is a person who gets paid to teach pitching. I guess Bull is not a Professional Hitting instructor? I find it strange that you have to find fault with whatever I say.
Bull was a professional, therefore a professional hitting instructor. The rest, not quite so sure. What qualifications are there to be named a professional instructor, it seems you like to throw that out. I think I have stated previously that it seems to be misleading. I guess you are saying, if someone pays for that instruction that makes you a professional instructor. Am I misinterpreting what you are saying? The coach on the website that you have mentioned, while I do not know him, what is his background?
What are you committing to, when committing to a non-scholarship school? Does a recruited walk-on sign a letter of intent? The letter of intents I have seen in my short life span have to deal with athletic scholarship money.
I am in no way trying to say there are not good players at Miami-Hamilton and while I know of no specifics with regard to their coaching staff, you have to give them their due. They win.
I think it's great if a school or coach has the player sign a "letter of intent" - why not be proud of whichever division a kid chooses to play in? There's so much fanfare for kids who sign D1 or D2 (pictures in the paper with their high school coaches, surrounded by proud, smiling parents and a nice big fat article to go along with it) but hardly a mention when a kid goes with an NAIA or D3. No wonder some parents and players try and hold out for the D1 because it's portrayed as the only division with any merit. And depending on the NAIA or D3, many players are putting in an enormous amount of work, both at their sport and on their academics. I think that playing your sport after high school warrants more fanfare, even with the "lowly" NAIA's and D3's. And we all are aware that many of these "lowly" NAIA's and D3's have beaten some of the prestigious D1's. If there's not enough newspaper space, they could even do a nice group picture but no, nothing.
Disclaimer: Not a fact, but speculation based on prior knowledge and relationship
but I believe ryan brenner is thinking of going to Miami of Florida potentially as a walk-on. I know him personally and have watched him play since 7th grade. Kid's good, personally, he should be higher up on the bs top 100, IMO, but that's just my opinion. Also, his dad graduated from there, so i think it's a family tradition thing perhaps?
Like I said this is complete speculation based simply on small talk i've had with him and with others that know him, too.
Hometeam-while I agree with your premise regarding the "letter of intent," I just have a difference viewpoint about the whole thing. Commitments and letters of intent were with regard to receiving athletic aid and signing a document stating that. I realize a commitment is just that, a verbal commitment, but once you sign a letter of intent you are bound to that institution, primarily because of the athletic aid involved. A student-athlete intending to attend a DIII school can choose to attend any school regardless of his "commitment."
I take offense at your definition of a "lowly" NAIA or DIII school. Personally I played 4 years of baseball at a NAIA school and enjoyed it immensely. One of the better experiences in my life. For any student athlete to continue their academic and athletic career in college has to be respected and cheered. But to compare the experience at these schools and those at the DI level is ridiculous.
Back in the day, when parents were far less involved, many of classmates attended DI-DIII and NAIA schools to play athletics, there was no fanfare. Go to school, get an education, play the game.
It is sort of like the thread regarding the Buckeye Scout top 100. It really means not a thing, just a list. Plenty of good players on it, plenty of good players not on i
Hometeam-while I agree with your premise regarding the "letter of intent," I just have a difference viewpoint about the whole thing. Commitments and letters of intent were with regard to receiving athletic aid and signing a document stating that. I realize a commitment is just that, a verbal commitment, but once you sign a letter of intent you are bound to that institution, primarily because of the athletic aid involved. A student-athlete intending to attend a DIII school can choose to attend any school regardless of his "commitment."
I take offense at your definition of a "lowly" NAIA or DIII school. Personally I played 4 years of baseball at a NAIA school and enjoyed it immensely. One of the better experiences in my life. For any student athlete to continue their academic and athletic career in college has to be respected and cheered. But to compare the experience at these schools and those at the DI level is ridiculous.
Back in the day, when parents were far less involved, many of classmates attended DI-DIII and NAIA schools to play athletics, there was no fanfare. Go to school, get an education, play the game.
It is sort of like the thread regarding the Buckeye Scout top 100. It really means not a thing, just a list. Plenty of good players on it, plenty of good players not on i
I read Hometeam differently. He/she is not giving you their view on DIII and NAIA but rather what DI people are perceived as feeling about it.
I'm not sure about this, but don't you pay to get in the Buckeye Scout?
Is anyone who invests money in it not included?
I see where you can get added to the TBS PROSPECT PROFILES for $50.00.
I don't have a high school kid or know any of the players on the list,so I'm just asking.
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