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Old 06-19-19, 07:38 PM
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Question Is Bernie being discriminated against by Democratic Party?

Is the motto “Anybody but Bernie” now the goal of the Democratic Party in their primary?
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...602859520?s=20

I, for one, strongly condemn any discrimination or racism against Bernie by the Democrats.
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Old 06-19-19, 07:40 PM
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Yes, he is....and it's hilarious.
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Old 06-19-19, 07:50 PM
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He isn't a democrat so why should democrats support him? Bernie now has baggage as a candidate - he is a very polarizing figure. He's not the "fresh" face he was in 2016.
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Old 06-19-19, 07:58 PM
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He isn't a democrat so why should democrats support him? Bernie now has baggage as a candidate - he is a very polarizing figure. He's not the "fresh" face he was in 2016.
This is the Dems biggest problem. We are seeing it happen live.
The left hates anyone who isn't in total lockstep with their idealogy. Even if it is another progressive who is very similar in idealogy.

There is a very real danger (for the Dems) that their inability to tolerate an opposing view (even if it is only slightly different) will keep them home on election night because "their guy" isn't on the ticket.
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Old 06-19-19, 08:02 PM
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It is definitely a problem, but mostly on the far left/Bernie's hardcore supporters.

I, personally, find that Warren is basically a Bernie-lite, but more likable and with more sound policy proposals. But I know plenty of "Bernie or Bust" type people who will not even consider Warren despite their similarities.
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Old 06-19-19, 08:05 PM
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I, personally, find that Warren is basically a Bernie-lite, but more likable


Elizabeth Warren might be the least “likable” candidate in the field.

1/32 chance she wins anything
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Old 06-19-19, 08:11 PM
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Elizabeth Warren might be the least “likable” candidate in the field.

1/32 chance she wins anything
I disagree She is very charismatic and can be charming. She's not the most likable of the bunch, but she's not the worst
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Old 06-19-19, 08:13 PM
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It is definitely a problem, but mostly on the far left/Bernie's hardcore supporters.

I, personally, find that Warren is basically a Bernie-lite, but more likable and with more sound policy proposals. But I know plenty of "Bernie or Bust" type people who will not even consider Warren despite their similarities.
There are two dozen candidates. How many "my guy only" voters do each of them have? Add them up and the Dems have a big problem.
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Old 06-19-19, 08:17 PM
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There are two dozen candidates. How many "my guy only" voters do each of them have? Add them up and the Dems have a big problem.
I would say only Bernie and maybe some centrist Biden supporters.
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Old 06-19-19, 08:24 PM
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I would say only Bernie and maybe some centrist Biden supporters.
Fair enough.
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Old 06-19-19, 09:17 PM
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Bernie got raped by Hilary and her super delegates last time. Maybe he thinks they owe him one?
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Old 06-19-19, 11:05 PM
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It is definitely a problem, but mostly on the far left/Bernie's hardcore supporters.

I, personally, find that Warren is basically a Bernie-lite, but more likable and with more sound policy proposals. But I know plenty of "Bernie or Bust" type people who will not even consider Warren despite their similarities.
We will look forward to them donning their fake Trump garb, and both getting even with the eventual Dem nominee and making Trump look bad!!
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Old 06-19-19, 11:08 PM
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I disagree She is very charismatic and can be charming. She's not the most likable of the bunch, but she's not the worst
but what about those of us that DON'T like having someone just blow smoke up our azzes ?
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Old 06-19-19, 11:13 PM
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Bernie got raped by Hilary and her super delegates last time. Maybe he thinks they owe him one?
Like how they owed Hillary after Barry got nominated ? That worked out well.....
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Old 06-19-19, 11:27 PM
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Yes, he is....and it's hilarious.
It really is. These fringe idiots are gonna dictate so much BS that every normal soul will jump ship. It is getting nuts. Joe just took a bunch of BS for talking about working with the other side again. God Forbid!
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Old 06-20-19, 03:04 AM
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It really is. These fringe idiots are gonna dictate so much BS that every normal soul will jump ship. It is getting nuts. Joe just took a bunch of BS for talking about working with the other side again. God Forbid!
Creepy Joe becoming Racist Joe. Bad scene for Democrats. Once great Democratic Party now in ruin! Sad.
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Old 06-20-19, 06:51 AM
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It really is. These fringe idiots are gonna dictate so much BS that every normal soul will jump ship. It is getting nuts. Joe just took a bunch of BS for talking about working with the other side again. God Forbid!
Dems' twitter-verse has the attention span of 6 year olds. It'll be amazing how many of them just forget this early season stupidity. It will disqualify these candidates for anyone able to focus on the big picture as a nation, but there won't be a shortage of stupid followers, either.

The Dems will lose the swing votes that they need to win, and that's all that matters short term, but it will be very disheartening to see all the thralls that will hang on. I guess we can only hope that they grow up.
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Old 06-20-19, 08:37 AM
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Is the motto “Anybody but Bernie” now the goal of the Democratic Party in their primary?
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...602859520?s=20

I, for one, strongly condemn any discrimination or racism against Bernie by the Democrats.
It's an interesting dilemma for the Democrats because, thankfully, they blew it in 2016 by stacking the deck against Bernie. I honestly believe Bernie's ship has passed, but if he'd won the Democrat nomination in 2016 I think he would have upset Donald Trump and won the Presidency. I was talking to my son, who is a staunch Conservative, about this a couple nights ago and he admitted he may have voted for Bernie because of the promise to get rid of student loan debt. The Democrats, thankfully, really have lost touch with the people because of their elitists attitudes which are being exposed more and more.

Let's face it a vote for Trump in most cases in 2016 was really more a vote against Hillary. But in the long run Trump has proven to be exactly what US politics needed, an abrasive non-political leader who doesn't give a rat's posterior what the opposition thinks. He's accomplished more in 2.5+ years than all of the Presidents combined since Reagan.

As for Bernie, the guy is an idiot who has free loaded off the taxpayers his whole adult life. It really does puzzle my why so many seem to like this guy.
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Old 06-20-19, 08:37 AM
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Bernie was energizing to the fringe Democrat base last time. Now there are 25 candidates that are trying to energize the fringe base of the Democrat party. Since everyone is now a socialist, Bernie isn't getting any oxygen.

It's not discrimination as you want to play it, it's that there is little to discriminate the positions of one candidate from another. Bernie doesn't occupy a unique position any longer.
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Old 06-20-19, 10:39 AM
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It's an interesting dilemma for the Democrats because, thankfully, they blew it in 2016 by stacking the deck against Bernie. I honestly believe Bernie's ship has passed, but if he'd won the Democrat nomination in 2016 I think he would have upset Donald Trump and won the Presidency. I was talking to my son, who is a staunch Conservative, about this a couple nights ago and he admitted he may have voted for Bernie because of the promise to get rid of student loan debt. The Democrats, thankfully, really have lost touch with the people because of their elitists attitudes which are being exposed more and more.

Let's face it a vote for Trump in most cases in 2016 was really more a vote against Hillary. But in the long run Trump has proven to be exactly what US politics needed, an abrasive non-political leader who doesn't give a rat's posterior what the opposition thinks. He's accomplished more in 2.5+ years than all of the Presidents combined since Reagan.

As for Bernie, the guy is an idiot who has free loaded off the taxpayers his whole adult life. It really does puzzle my why so many seem to like this guy.
I hope you slapped some sense into your son after that conversation. No staunch conservative votes for a socialist.
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Old 06-20-19, 10:49 AM
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Both my daughters are pretty hardcore pinkos...watching them try and navigate this shtshow has been pretty entertaining.
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Old 06-20-19, 10:54 AM
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MoeDude thank for sharing about you son. Not knowing your sons age but the fact he would like his college debt forgive give a hint to age. Sorry to say this but this once again shows how the younger generation seems to have the what will you do for me instead of what can I do to make the country better. Seems the youngster have not hear or do not care about the Kennedy speech asking us to think about what we a citizens can do for our country.
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Old 06-20-19, 11:30 AM
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I hope you slapped some sense into your son after that conversation. No staunch conservative votes for a socialist.
Yea he's seen the light. In 2016 he was still too close to the indoctrination influence from college professors. But his point was that Bernie was different at the time with the way he was approaching it. Towards the end of the conversation he said he would have stuck with Trump but he's right, at the time people did want something different and but I think the one's supporting Bernie full on were not thinking it through.

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Actually, my son is the new Conservative. They support fiscal responsibility and Capitalism but don't really give a damn about most of the silly social issues that bombard us these days.
I can’t speak for everyone but pretty much all the “conservatives” around my age (29) that I know (myself included) are of this “type.”

It’s funny to me a lot of liberals will make the argument that if all the libertarians who voted for Gary Johnson had voted for Hillary she would’ve won... what if all those libertarians voted for Trump instead? He would’ve won popular vote... gonna be hilarious when this happens in 2020 and states like California who changed their laws from the electoral go to Trump.
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If Bernie did not get reparations after being shafted by Clinton and the DNC in 2016, he isn't getting anything now.
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Old 06-20-19, 08:21 PM
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Yea he's seen the light. In 2016 he was still too close to the indoctrination influence from college professors. But his point was that Bernie was different at the time with the way he was approaching it. Towards the end of the conversation he said he would have stuck with Trump but he's right, at the time people did want something different and but I think the one's supporting Bernie full on were not thinking it through.
It's really not all that surprising. One of the fairly unique things about Sanders is that he actually has some strange crossover appeal, despite being decidedly to the left. There are some obvious limits to it, but it's real. There's generally an understanding, even with people who completely disagree with his politics, that he's not at all trying to be disingenuous, and that has some real currency with a lot of people. Love him or hate him, he's much better than average, as far as the Democratic Party goes, at communicating that he actually gives a damn about people's problems, and that's enough for some people to overlook ideological differences. It wasn't all that rare to see Republicans in Vermont have Bush/McCain/Romney for President signs next to Sanders for Senate signs in their yards in previous cycles.
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but what about those of us that DON'T like having someone just blow smoke up our azzes ?
She is not blowing it up our azz ... she is using a blanket intermediately to gently woft her ideas directly to the place many have their heads.
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I can’t speak for everyone but pretty much all the “conservatives” around my age (29) that I know (myself included) are of this “type.”

It’s funny to me a lot of liberals will make the argument that if all the libertarians who voted for Gary Johnson had voted for Hillary she would’ve won... what if all those libertarians voted for Trump instead? He would’ve won popular vote... gonna be hilarious when this happens in 2020 and states like California who changed their laws from the electoral go to Trump.
That would be the most craziest thing to happen. It is the very reason you dont have a stupid law like that in the first place.

Problem is California was the state that gave Hilly the pop vote.. she won Cali by like 4 million..
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Both my daughters are pretty hardcore pinkos...watching them try and navigate this shtshow has been pretty entertaining.
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Old 06-21-19, 07:21 AM
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That would be the most craziest thing to happen. It is the very reason you dont have a stupid law like that in the first place.

Problem is California was the state that gave Hilly the pop vote.. she won Cali by like 4 million..
Yes the hate for the electoral college is a HUGE overreaction. A lot of Democrats just assume they’ll keep winning the popular vote like that wasn’t an awful close vote in the grand scheme of things. 3 million votes in a nation of 300 million isn’t that much of a difference.

People forget that in the late 1800s there were a couple presidents elected by winning the electoral and losing the popular... then things went back to normal for over 100 years. 2020 could be wild
 

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