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Old 09-18-18, 12:06 AM
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All he needs to do is release his tax returns and disprove it
He doesn't have to disprove anything.

Prove unicorns do not exist.
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Old 09-18-18, 06:15 AM
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Old 09-18-18, 09:31 AM
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Funny how this is being ignored. Apparently they appointed a special council to investigate a sitting POTUS for a "crime" in the absence of any credible evidence that a crime had been committed.

So now we know this is both a witch hunt and a fishing expedition.
Perhaps the Kavanaugh accusation was just another well-timed hit piece to get the real news of corruption, conspiracy, and sedition at the highest levels of the FBI and DoJ off the front page. Ya think.
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Old 09-18-18, 09:48 AM
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Perhaps the Kavanaugh accusation was just another well-timed hit piece to get the real news of corruption, conspiracy, and sedition at the highest levels of the FBI and DoJ off the front page. Ya think.
Or Perhaps Justice Kennedy was blackmailed by Trump (Russian) Operatives who have dirt on his son and stepped down to open up a spot for Trump to pick a judge to rule on his Collusion case. (if we are playing the conspiracy game)
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Old 09-18-18, 09:58 AM
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I question how much of this material should have classified in the first place. There is a big difference between classifying something to protect methods of collection or collectors and that of classifying to avoid embarrassment to the classifier.
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Old 09-18-18, 10:20 AM
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I question how much of this material should have classified in the first place. There is a big difference between classifying something to protect methods of collection or collectors and that of classifying to avoid embarrassment to the classifier.
Trump does not want to declassify everything or give transparency. He wants to select what helps him and releases. He is interested in protecting Trump not the country/USA.
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Old 09-18-18, 11:36 AM
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Trump does not want to declassify everything or give transparency. He wants to select what helps him and releases. He is interested in protecting Trump not the country/USA.
Kind of like a selective leak to the press that overall had led to nothing, but taken out of context led to an investigation... you're just butthurt that exposing it at this time just means that the economy may end up being the focus for the mid-terms.
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Old 09-18-18, 12:17 PM
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Or Perhaps Justice Kennedy was blackmailed by Trump (Russian) Operatives who have dirt on his son and stepped down to open up a spot for Trump to pick a judge to rule on his Collusion case. (if we are playing the conspiracy game)
You, Harry, and BJF are the only ones playing that particular game. The rest of us are living in the real world.
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Old 09-18-18, 01:17 PM
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Is Hillary being asked to speak to an investigator or Special Prosecutor? The real world is the Trump campaign has financial and politcal ties to Russia. The FBI/DOJ are mostly GOP appointee's and are the good guys. The Russians interfering with our election are the bad guys. Trump seems to be on the wrong side...and is neglecting his oath of office to protect the Constitution.
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Old 09-18-18, 01:57 PM
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Is Hillary being asked to speak to an investigator or Special Prosecutor? The real world is the Trump campaign has financial and politcal ties to Russia. The FBI/DOJ are mostly GOP appointee's and are the good guys. The Russians interfering with our election are the bad guys. Trump seems to be on the wrong side...and is neglecting his oath of office to protect the Constitution.
Trump needs to the right thing by the country and turn himself in and resign as POTUS. Clearly.

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Old 09-18-18, 02:04 PM
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Trump does not want to declassify everything or give transparency. He wants to select what helps him and releases. He is interested in protecting Trump not the country/USA.
You seem to have only one thought in mind and that is to trash President Trump. Much of what he will declassify should not have been classified in the first place. The old intel community when they didn't know or couldn't explain was "You don't have the clearance to know". Nice try.
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Old 09-18-18, 03:13 PM
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The real world is the Trump campaign has financial and politcal ties to Russia.
Or that is what you hope at least....
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Old 09-18-18, 06:06 PM
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Trump does not want to declassify everything or give transparency. He wants to select what helps him and releases. He is interested in protecting Trump not the country/USA.
He is upholding the law. Read sec. 1.7 carefully...This is a huge problem for the deep state when enforced. This is how we find out that one highly classified redaction was that Andy McCabe's desk cost $70,000 and that their were firewalls to protect the treasonous activity to over-through our president...insurance policies...

This has absolutely nothing to do with national security, except that showing "We the People" will cause a awakening to the the real threat that is trying to overthrow our country.
Transparency is always a good thing if you can handle the truth.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-20...l1-eo13526.pdf
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Old 09-19-18, 08:40 AM
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The Russians certainly want to stop the FBI counterintelligence on their election meddling, influence and international money laundering so of course Trump is proactively attacking the institutions on their behalf.

Folks the FBI/CIA/DOJ are on America's side. Vlad and Russian are not.
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Old 09-19-18, 09:40 AM
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Folks the FBI/CIA/DOJ are on America's side.
That does not mean that they do not have to answer to the elected government.

That does not mean that we have to trust them.

That does not mean that they know what is best or always do what is best for America.
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Old 09-19-18, 11:41 AM
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1. Russians are clearly waging cyber activities to influence our elections.
2. Russian oligarchs clearly have access to large sums of money based on their Kleptocratic financial system. They use this money to influence the world and protect their power-kleptocracy. They also have a need to launder and hide money. (example- cash for real estate)
3. The FBI, MI6 and other allies have been tracking and investigating these activities to counter and regulate (Magnisky Act)
4. Russia wants to get rid of investigations and regulations so having a POTUS discredit the agencies and specific agents is a huge gift. As is a President that has built a lifetime business some of which is operating on the edges of legal norms often funded with Russian money.

Yes the FBI needs to be checked. What makes this situation unique is the reason Trump is looking for oversight and transparency is they are investigating him and he perceives them as a threat/enemy.

Vlad=Friend
FBI/DOJ = Enemy
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Old 09-19-18, 11:43 AM
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So...no collusion yet? That is what we're trying to figure out, right?
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Old 09-19-18, 11:45 AM
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1. Russians are clearly waging cyber activities to influence our elections.
2. Russian oligarchs clearly have access to large sums of money based on their Kleptocratic financial system. They use this money to influence the world and protect their power-kleptocracy. They also have a need to launder and hide money. (example- cash for real estate)
3. The FBI, MI6 and other allies have been tracking and investigating these activities to counter and regulate (Magnisky Act)
4. Russia wants to get rid of investigations and regulations so having a POTUS discredit the agencies and specific agents is a huge gift. As is a President that has built a lifetime business some of which is operating on the edges of legal norms often funded with Russian money.

Yes the FBI needs to be checked. What makes this situation unique is the reason Trump is looking for oversight and transparency is they are investigating him and he perceives them as a threat/enemy.

Vlad=Friend
FBI/DOJ = Enemy
Do you do a lot of mushrooms?
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Old 09-19-18, 11:56 AM
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The Russians certainly want to stop the FBI counterintelligence on their election meddling, influence and international money laundering so of course Trump is proactively attacking the institutions on their behalf.

Folks the FBI/CIA/DOJ are on America's side. Vlad and Russian are not.
You understand they've been trying to influence American elections and public perception for decades. People have no problem with the Intel agencies doing their jobs, but what they're in trouble for right now are the side jobs that they should NOT have been involved in.
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Old 09-19-18, 12:02 PM
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4. Russia wants to get rid of investigations and regulations so having a POTUS discredit the agencies and specific agents is a huge gift. As is a President that has built a lifetime business some of which is operating on the edges of legal norms often funded with Russian money.

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So you say, the IRS seemingly has no proof of this or even to suspect it. The DOJ seemingly has no proof of this or even to suspect it. At any point, they could have subpoenaed Trump and had him register as a Russian agent, but they didn't. You don't seem to have trouble with the Clinton's, who took millions personally from Russian oligarchs and funneled tens of millions through their "foundation" - and you want to talk about connections to Putin and Russian mobsters..... if you are all panicky about Trump you must be catatonic when you think about the Clintons. And that comment from Obama to Putin's lackey that he would have more latitude after the election..... oddly that's when Vlad invaded Crimea and started helping Syria.... have you started cowering in your hidey hole?
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Old 09-19-18, 12:50 PM
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Trump does not want to declassify everything or give transparency. He wants to select what helps him and releases. He is interested in protecting Trump not the country/USA.
Where does this insanity come from?

My question is only rhetorical. You don't have to give me an irrational answer.
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Old 09-19-18, 01:37 PM
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It won"t matter how damning the info. released by Trump is the Left will spin it somehow and the minions on this board will follow in lockstep.
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Old 09-19-18, 09:32 PM
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So you say, the IRS seemingly has no proof of this or even to suspect it. The DOJ seemingly has no proof of this or even to suspect it. At any point, they could have subpoenaed Trump and had him register as a Russian agent, but they didn't. You don't seem to have trouble with the Clinton's, who took millions personally from Russian oligarchs and funneled tens of millions through their "foundation" - and you want to talk about connections to Putin and Russian mobsters..... if you are all panicky about Trump you must be catatonic when you think about the Clintons. And that comment from Obama to Putin's lackey that he would have more latitude after the election..... oddly that's when Vlad invaded Crimea and started helping Syria.... have you started cowering in your hidey hole?
No matter the issue....the answer is....but the Clintons. I do not care about the Clintons. The Right freaked out about the Clintons. How do you know what proof there is...Mueller has not leaked or commented on anything.
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Old 09-19-18, 09:37 PM
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No matter the issue....the answer is....but the Clintons. I do not care about the Clintons. The Right freaked out about the Clintons. How do you know what proof there is...Mueller has not leaked or commented on anything.
So, no collusion?
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Old 09-19-18, 09:44 PM
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Obstruction is in public comments
Collusion very likely
...possibility of conspiracy against the US is probably the end result.
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Old 09-19-18, 09:52 PM
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Obstruction is in public comments
Collusion very likely
...possibility of conspiracy against the US is probably the end result.
Nope.
Doubt it.
Lol
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Old 09-19-18, 09:52 PM
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Obstruction is in public comments
Collusion very likely
...possibility of conspiracy against the US is probably the end result.
Most likely? D. None of the above.
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Old 09-20-18, 05:24 AM
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Working for Donald Trump is really dangerous , or may be he just picks the 'BEST" people? Can you imagine how you would all be howling daily if a Dem prez had this many guys working for him on a a campaign and Flynn appointed to a high security post were pleading guilty , indicted and doing time?


Imagine a Dem campaign manager with that many ties to Russian dirty money and is going down ? I figure you would surmise ? Whats' this have to do with the Prez? Sure sure .
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Old 09-20-18, 03:40 PM
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So....the "Fixer" is speaking to the prosecutor. Michael Cohen spoke to Mueller team for hours; asked about Russia, possible collusion, pardon,etc.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mich...ry?id=57959664

I am thinking we know about 3-5% of what Mueller has discovered.
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Old 09-20-18, 03:57 PM
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So....the "Fixer" is speaking to the prosecutor. Michael Cohen spoke to Mueller team for hours; asked about Russia, possible collusion, pardon,etc.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mich...ry?id=57959664

I am thinking we know about 3-5% of what Mueller has discovered.
If Mueller has the goods, what is he waiting for?
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