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Updated Yard Rankings for Greater Cincinnati

The state started its girls track tournament in 1975, so we only go ten deep in our rankings for girls. New this year is a top ten two mile ranking even though the state had gone to meters before they put in the eight lap race for girls. If any are missing which beat the tenth place time of Jill Robinson 11:50.6, call it to my attention here. Here are the girls rankings. Must be from a yards race, no conversions from meters

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The state started its girls track tournament in 1975, so we only go ten deep in our rankings for girls. New this year is a top ten two mile ranking even though the state had gone to meters before they put in the eight lap race for girls. If any are missing which beat the tenth place time of Jill Robinson 11:50.6, call it to my attention here. Here are the girls rankings. Must be from a yards race, no conversions from meters

http://www.swotccca.com/Documents/Ra...ev%200%202.pdf
I'm reviewing...will post numerous additions to your lists.
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I've attached additions to your listing with this post.

Also, I noted that you mentioned that the District/Region meet at Dayton was run in yards (events over the 100m/100mH) thru 1982. Dayton went fully metric in 1982, so yards would be only thru 1981.

I also noted that you don't have any 80ydH or 100mH (30") hurdles events or the old 880yd Medley listed, nor the old 8 lb shot put. You might want to put that off till next year as I'll have reasonable listing for you by then.
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What does the letter c mean after the times in the 100 and 220. What are the times in parenthesis in the 440.
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What does the letter c mean after the times in the 100 and 220. What are the times in parenthesis in the 440.
c = cinder track

times in ( ) are my own internal conversions to metric distance marks. You can ignore those. I plan on putting together relative comparison lists in the future.
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You show Diane Hoeting's time of 2:19.3 from 1980. She ran faster in 1981 and finished one place higher at second in Dayton. It looks like the Dayton Daily News shows her time as 2:17.3 and calls the race 880 yard run which is what it was. Now the state meet program from 1981 shows her qualifying time as 2:16.7 which is converted from her Dayton district time. Wasn't the standard conversion then 0.7 for the 880 to 800 and not 0.6. Her 2:17.3 keeps her first on the 880 yard list.

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c = cinder track

times in ( ) are my own internal conversions to metric distance marks. You can ignore those. I plan on putting together relative comparison lists in the future.
Why do you say the conversion from 440 yards to 400 meters is only 0.1. It's closer to 0.3 in the 400 and 0.1 in the 200 not the 400.
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Why do you say the conversion from 440 yards to 400 meters is only 0.1. It's closer to 0.3 in the 400 and 0.1 in the 200 not the 400.
You are correct. I know how I did these conversions years ago, and it was wrong at the time. However, I haven't spent anytime to go back and clean up the data since then. I'm going to do so in the next year. You can ignore these incorrect conversions.
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I took out the Middletown girls and also couldn't use the Badin girl for the same reason on all the rankings because they don't go to one of our district meets at either Mason, Winton Woods, or New Richmond.
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Let's see if these rankings are correct now.

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Boys yards rankings for Greater Cincinnati have now been updated.

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I've attached additions to your listing with this post.

Also, I noted that you mentioned that the District/Region meet at Dayton was run in yards (events over the 100m/100mH) thru 1982. Dayton went fully metric in 1982, so yards would be only thru 1981.

I also noted that you don't have any 80ydH or 100mH (30") hurdles events or the old 880yd Medley listed, nor the old 8 lb shot put. You might want to put that off till next year as I'll have reasonable listing for you by then.
1. I knew the shot put for girls was 8 pounds from 1975 to 1979. In 1980 it was changed to 4 kg (8 pounds, 13 ounces) I don't put field events on the yards lists.
2. Do you really want to put to 80 yard hurdles down when they were only used for 3 years - 1975-77.
3. We could make a list of the 100 yard low hurdles (30") since they were used from 1978 until 1987, and we have all those district meets in yards at Reading up until that time.
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1. I knew the shot put for girls was 8 pounds from 1975 to 1979. In 1980 it was changed to 4 kg (8 pounds, 13 ounces) I don't put field events on the yards lists.
2. Do you really want to put to 80 yard hurdles down when they were only used for 3 years - 1975-77.
3. We could make a list of the 100 yard low hurdles (30") since they were used from 1978 until 1987, and we have all those district meets in yards at Reading up until that time.
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1) It's your list. My only thought was that it was a "retired event", and given that the 8 lb shot was used for MANY decades as the girls shot, then that did have historical significance.

2) Up to you. 80 yard hurdles were a staple at the world level for many years. Unfortunately, OHSAA didn't involve the ladies until 1975.

3) It wasn't the 100 yard hurdles, it was the 100 METER hurdles from 1978-1986. That was across the state during that time frame. The only difference between then and now is the height of the hurdle (30" then vs. 33" now). Everything else is the same.
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So you're saying there never was a 100 yard low hurdles for girls. In 1978 it became the 100 meter low hurdles. Odd that the state started with meters in the girls low hurdles two years before they started the rest of the meter events. I guess we will have to make a 100 meters low hurdles ranking then to add to the meters rankings.
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So you're saying there never was a 100 yard low hurdles for girls. In 1978 it became the 100 meter low hurdles. Odd that the state started with meters in the girls low hurdles two years before they started the rest of the meter events.
What I'm saying is correct. Yep, the state did go to the 100 meter hurdles 2 seasons before the rest of it went metric. It's easy to adjust start/finish lines & hurdle markings on a single straightaway as you don't have to worry about an actual shortening of a facility from 440 yards to 400 meters.

As a side note, with regard to Reading HS' facility...I had a series of emails with Jim Wright earlier this decade regarding the old Reading facility. I explained to him that I would love to get a hold of his district files that he kept during those years. Unfortunately, after he left Reading, whoever was in charge out there decided to throw away the filing cabinet that had all those results, as well as others, from Jim's career at Reading. So, all of that is lost to posterity. It would've been a treasure to scan all that and make it available for everyone now, but that opportunity is lost. I've got all the regional qualifiers from those meets, but after that, I only have a handful of Don Connolly-produced results sheets & my 1986 A District meet program from my first coaching job at Summit CD. I suspect a lot of old coaches & athletes probably have copies of different meets & programs from those years as I do.

Jim also explained to me that the reason they lost hosting the district meets was because they weren't ready to put in a metric track at Reading, even in 1987. I guess it came to finances. Anyway, as we know now, the AA & A (now Div. II & III) districts went to Glen Este, then Amelia, then Lockland, and finally now resting at New Richmond.
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If we have ten years of the 100 meter low hurdles for girls, should we go 25 deep or leave it at ten. I'm going to start my list now.
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Here is a top ten I have found for the girls 100 meter low hurdles:

1. 14.50 nwi Bridget Goodwin Forest Park AAA State June 4, 1983 4th
2. 14.55 nwi Missy Castetter Mariemont AA State June 6, 1981 1st
3. 14.78 nwi Katrina Pate CAPE A State June 1, 1985 2nd
4. 14.9 nwi Lisa Pogue Mt. Healthy AAA Princeton District May 23, 1986 1st
5. 15.13 nwi Kathy Cornn Williamsburg A State June 6, 1981 4th
6. 15.28 nwi Julie Berlage Deer Park AA Regional May 31, 1986 4th
7. 15.1 nwi Sherry Green Withrow AAA Norwood Sectional May 23, 1980 1st
7. 15.1 nwi Theresa Ervin Loveland AA Reading District May 19, 1984 1st
9. 15.2 nwi Valecia Kelly Western Hills AAA Dayton District May 31, 1980 4th
9. 15.2 nwi Jackie Lee Aiken AAA Princeton District May 18, 1984 1st

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Here is a top ten I have found for the girls 100 meter low hurdles:

14.50 Bridget Goodwin Forest Park AAA 1983 State
14.55 Missy Castetter Mariemont AA 1981 State
14.78 Katrina Pate CAPE A 1985 State
14.9 Lisa Pogue Mt. Healthy AAA 1986 District
15.13 Kathy Cornn Williamsburg A 1981 State
15.1 Sherry Green Withrow AAA 1980 Sectional
15.1 Theresa Ervin Loveland AA 1983 District
15.2 Valecia Kelly Western Hills AAA 1980 District
15.2 Jackie Lee Aiken AAA 1984 District
15.2 Suzanne Stragand Mt. Healthy AAA 1986 District
I'll check later today. Working towards finishing the Winton Woods District files today.
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To Lancermania, JAVMAN83, and everyone who contributed to these lists, thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to take another trip down memory lane. It's very cool to see names of guys that I admired and aspired to be as good as, but usually had my butt kicked by, back in the day. I'm going to print a specific page, show it to my boy and proclaim, "How about that!?"
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If you check post #11, I have only have 24 in the 1 mile. When I updated the list this year, I deleted more than I should have. This morning I was lying in bed when it kicked in that I had Ben Stites on my list previously. He is now the 25th person on the mile list. Here is something I've been musing about. Should I limit the yards list to the time when only yards were run at meets? I've been adding people from the latter years who run in meets where yards are contested in events like the mile and 2 mile. Does anyone have an opinion on this? Am I doing the right thing by counting people since 1980 when yards at standard meets were discontinued. Any way here is the updated list. http://www.swotccca.com/Documents/Ra...%20Events4.pdf Ben had a sister named Emily who ran 10:37.8 in the 3200m at the CHL meet on May 10, 2012. She won the 3200m state title in 2012 while little brother Ben did the same in 2015. This makes me think that genetics plays a role in track. Anyone agree or disagree? How many times has it occurred that a brother and sister both won the same event at state?

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If you check post #11, I have only have 24 in the 1 mile. When I updated the list this year, I deleted more than I should have. This morning I was lying in bed when it kicked in that I had Ben Stites on my list previously. He is now the 25th person on the mile list. Here is something I've been musing about. Should I limit the yards list to the time when only yards were run at meets? I've been adding people from the latter years who run in meets where yards are contested in events like the mile and 2 mile. Does anyone have an opinion on this? Am I doing the right thing by counting people since 1980 when yards at standard meets were discontinued. Any way here is the updated list. http://www.swotccca.com/Documents/Ra...%20Events4.pdf Ben had a sister named Emily who ran 10:37.8 in the 3200m at the CHL meet on May 10, 2012. She won the 3200m state title in 2012 while little brother Ben did the same in 2015. This makes me think that genetics plays a role in track. Anyone agree or disagree? How many times has it occurred that a brother and sister both won the same event at state?
Genetics are all the difference in the world, everything else being equal. Emily was even a better runner in college!

Yes, include ALL mile performances, whether run in 1890 or 2018. Doesn't matter. You noticed in a previous question to me that delineate performances set on cinder vs. synthetic by using a "c" next to the performance to denote a performance on a cinder track. I would NOT keep separate lists.
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Genetics are all the difference in the world, everything else being equal. Emily was even a better runner in college!
Emily finished 3rd at the NCAA 10,000m run in 2015. Here are the top eight scorers from that race.

Rank Name University Time Notes
1st, gold medalist(s) Molly Seidel Notre Dame 33:18.37
2nd, silver medalist(s) Dominique Scott Arkansas 33:25.81
3rd, bronze medalist(s) Emily Stites William & Mary 33:26.15
4 Molly Grabill Oregon 33:26.61
5 Waverly Neer Oregon 33:26.98
6 Chelsea Blaase Tennessee 33:27.73
7 Margo Malone Syracuse 33:39.50
8 Alice Wright New Mexico 33:41.86
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That was not Stites' best time. According to the IAAF, her best time in the outdoor 10,000 was 32:41.55 https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united...-stites-280009
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That was not Stites' best time. According to the IAAF, her best time in the outdoor 10,000 was 32:41.55 https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united...-stites-280009
Given the venue (Walnut, CA), she must've run at the Mt. SAC Relays.
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Flash Results, Inc. - Contractor License 4/17/2014 - 10:12 PM
56th ANNUAL MT. SAC RELAYS
"Where the world's best athletes compete"
Hilmer Lodge Stadium, Walnut, California - 4/17/2014 to 4/19/20

Event 222 Women 10000 Meter Run Invit Elite
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World Record: W 29:31.78 1993 Junxia Wang, China
American Rec: @ 30:22.22 2008 Shalane Flanagan, Nike
Meet Record: $ 31:23.35 2004 Sabrina Mockenhaupt, Germa
Name Year Team Finals
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Finals
1 Elvin Kibet Arizona 32:40.22
2 Emily Stites William & Mary 32:41.55
3 Rebekah Winterton Utah 33:28.43
4 Elaina Balouris William & Mary 33:31.59
5 Diane Robison Arkansas 33:47.79
6 Sheree Shea Loyola Marymount 33:55.73
7 Katy Moen Iowa State 33:56.80
8 Merel van Steenbergen Portland 34:16.07
9 Cali Roper Rice 34:18.42
10 Clare Fischer Xavier (Ohio) 34:21.21
11 Emily Gordon Saucony 34:22.15
12 Emily Durgin Connecticut 34:22.20
13 Jessica Mildes City College of 34:29.36
14 Tara Richardson Western State 34:33.88
15 Samantha Bluske Iowa State 34:34.14
16 Kinsey Gomez Oregon State 34:37.80
17 Courtney Brewis Grand Valley St. 34:38.01
18 Katelyn Greenleaf Alabama 34:38.59
19 Hanna Bartholomew Unattached 34:41.06
20 Anna Lamb Miami (Ohio) 34:50.02
21 Makenna Smith BYU 34:54.27
22 Grace Graham-Zamudio Loyola Marymount 34:56.26
23 Sandie Raines Arkansas 34:59.99
24 Andrea Cozzarelli Unattached 35:10.35
25 Kaitlin Flattmann Arkansas 35:25.47
26 Jocelyn Caro Texas Tech 35:40.84
27 Kara June/Thorne Asics Aggie 35:49.74
28 Katie Jensen Rice 35:55.50
29 Rachel Gioscia-Ryan adidas/Boulder RC 36:17.80
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