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Old 06-04-18, 09:56 AM
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Abby Steiner, Most decorated ever????

Does anyone know if an athlete has won more state titles than Steiner or is she the most decorated male or female athlete of all time? Also, has she scored more points over her 4 years than any other athlete?
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Old 06-04-18, 10:12 AM
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Does anyone know if an athlete has won more state titles than Steiner or is she the most decorated male or female athlete of all time? Also, has she scored more points over her 4 years than any other athlete?
If you have a copy of the state meet program, they have a list of the most "decorated". Then use baumspage to compare her wins vs. those of those of other greats.
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Old 06-04-18, 10:32 AM
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Does anyone know if an athlete has won more state titles than Steiner or is she the most decorated male or female athlete of all time? Also, has she scored more points over her 4 years than any other athlete?
Steiner is the fastest female 100m and 200m runner in the history of Ohio HS track and field.

Most "decorated?" Depends on what you mean by decorated.

Most medaled? No.

Most 1st place medals? No.

Most individual 1st place medals? No.
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Old 06-04-18, 10:40 AM
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Susan Nash of Rosencrans
1981 400(1) 800(2) 4X400(4)
1982 100(4) 400(1) 800(1) 1600 relay (4)
1983 100(1) 400(1) 800(1) 1600 relay (1)
1984 400(1) 800(1) 1600R (1) 3200 R (1)

Bekka Simko Gilmour
2007 3200 R(1) 1600(2) 800(2). 1600R(1)
2008 3200R(1) 400(1) 200(4) 1600R (1)
2009 3200R (1) 400(1) 800R (1) 1600R (1)
2010 3200R (1) 1600(2) 800(1) 1600 R (2)
Also included would be Stone from Collinwood Buford from Meadowdale. Olding from Minster....
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Old 06-04-18, 10:51 AM
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According to the OHSAA meet program:

The answer is Destinee Gause of Reynoldsburg and Jenna Fesemyer of Ravenna Southeast:
12 golds from 2009-2012 for Gause of which 6 were individual golds, and 4 of the 6 were from winning the 200 4 straight years. She is also a member of the current state record 4x1, 4x2, and 4x4 relays.

Fesemyer won all 4 seated events from 2013-2015.

Additionally, we have Girard's Cachet Murray with the next most individual golds behind Fesemyer with 10 from 2002 to 2005. She won both the 100 and 200 all 4 years and won the long jump her last 2 years.

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Old 06-04-18, 10:56 AM
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I don't know about you all, but I have real problems placing relay wins in the same place as individual wins. After all, you are only worth 1/4 of the relay points-wise, so wouldn't it make sense to have a win in a relay be worth only 1/4 of an individual win? Sorry, but my mind is made up on this one. Relay wins are NOT the same as an individual win.
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Old 06-04-18, 11:51 AM
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I do agree that relays wins are not the same as individual wins. Relays generally take more teamwork, show greater depth of the team, self sacrifice, communication and a willingness to do extra work and to change your role. If fact some states agree and award/score relays differently than individual events. They determine that relays are TWICE as important and score winning relays with 20 points. scoring for relays is 20-16-12-10-8-6-4-2. This really does reinforces the team aspect of track and field.
I don't agree with making either worth more points, but the "value" is NOT the same. We have been fortunate to have kids win individual and relay events. They tend to value the relay golds as better...generally.
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Old 06-04-18, 11:59 AM
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I agree that I donít think relay wins are generally as impressive as individual wins. On the other hand I donít know that I think 1/4 is always accurate. Anyone who watched Steinerís anchor leg in the 4x200 in 2016 would probably agree she was more than 1/4 of the reason we won.
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Old 06-04-18, 12:52 PM
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I, agree with ENA2 as far as relay golds go. And if your last name isn’t Franek or Nash...a mid distance/ distance runner will have an almost impossible task of pulling off distance triples or quads...
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Old 06-04-18, 03:18 PM
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For my part, I think Nashís state meet performances, collectively, are the most impressive I have ever witnessed.
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Old 06-04-18, 11:24 PM
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Relays, while fun to watch and participate in, require numbers to pull off a quality relay team. I've ALWAYS favored the individual over the collective. Coaches should never ask a kid to sacrifice him/herself for a relay team that has absolutely no chance at scoring. That's always upset me, particularly during tournament time. If a kid looks like they're going to score well in the tournament, then the individual should come before the relay unless the relay will place higher than the individual. That's my philosophy. I've seen too many athletes WASTED over the years on relays that might at best place 7th or 8th. Sure, it might bring along 2 or 3 other members further into the tournament, but to sacrifice a kid's HS opportunities on useless relays is more than a waste.
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Old 06-06-18, 03:20 PM
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I agree that I don’t think relay wins are generally as impressive as individual wins. On the other hand I don’t know that I think 1/4 is always accurate. Anyone who watched Steiner’s anchor leg in the 4x200 in 2016 would probably agree she was more than 1/4 of the reason we won.
Those races were amazing (prelims & final)!
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Old 06-06-18, 03:23 PM
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According to the OHSAA meet program:

The answer is Destinee Gause of Reynoldsburg and Jenna Fesemyer of Ravenna Southeast:
12 golds from 2009-2012 for Gause of which 6 were individual golds, and 4 of the 6 were from winning the 200 4 straight years. She is also a member of the current state record 4x1, 4x2, and 4x4 relays.

Fesemyer won all 4 seated events from 2013-2015.

Additionally, we have Girard's Cachet Murray with the next most individual golds behind Fesemyer with 10 from 2002 to 2005. She won both the 100 and 200 all 4 years and won the long jump her last 2 years.
In the 4x400 final in 2012, Destinee Gause made up a good 150 meters and nearly ran down Kaila Barber of Middleburg Heights Midpark. Ran ut of gas right before the finish line.

Reynoldburg had a super talented group of girls in Gause's early years. I saw all of those state records!
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Old 06-06-18, 04:25 PM
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In the 4x400 final in 2012, Destinee Gause made up a good 150 meters!
The leader was in the middle of the backstretch or further when Ms. Gause received the baton?

I saw Nelloms make up 49 of a 50 meter lead in his senior year 4 X 400. Most ground being made up that I have seen in a high quality 4 X 400.
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Old 06-06-18, 05:36 PM
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I think that 2012 was the year when a couple teams closed down and almost caught up to Reynoldsburg going into the last leg, and then Destinee ran away from them on the home stretch.
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Old 06-06-18, 05:37 PM
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Those races were amazing (prelims & final)!
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I think that 2012 was the year when a couple teams closed down and almost caught up to Reynoldsburg going into the last leg, and then Destinee ran away from them on the home stretch.
I believe you're right. Destinee needed to win all 4 of her events in 2012 to get to 12 career golds.
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I'm in the process of comparing Steiner's sub-11.80 record vs. Khalilah Carpenter (Col. Brookhaven) from the 1999-2001 era. I noticed that Steiner's 11.38 (+0.1) at State just edged out Carpenter's 2000 best of 11.39 (+1.2) set at the USATF Jrs. I also noticed that Carpenter did not compete in the Hilliard Regional (2001) 100m final, but did run the 200m, 4x200m, and 4x400m. Does anyone remember the reason for her absence from the 100m as a senior?
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Old 06-07-18, 08:31 AM
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According to my source (one of the timing crew from the district meet) she false started in either the prelim or semi-Final.
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According to my source (one of the timing crew from the district meet) she false started in either the prelim or semi-Final.
Thanks for the feedback. Sad as she was defending State Champ & record-holder...until Steiner.
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Old 06-07-18, 03:49 PM
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Yeah, I remember hearing about it. Somewhat like when Gause false started in the 100 at the state meet. Still came back to win the 200 and run strong relay legs.
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I wanted to add to this thread a bit. I started looking at the comparison between Abby Steiner & Khalilah Carpenter' careers. While the attached listing is not complete, I believe I have at least 80%, if not more, of the known sub 11.80 FAT LEGAL races. You'll notice a few athletes that are listed in RED. Those are athletes whose information leads me to believe their marks may be legit, but I have yet to identify where those particular marks come from, including the wind reading. There are a few other missing data points for other marks, but the marks themselves have been confirmed. All items shown in black have been confirmed.

FYI - To be legit, the mark must have a legal wind reading of <= +2.0 meters per second average.

My database has been extended to all sub-12.00 clockings. The extended listing will be released at a later date. Other event databases are underway, but will take quite a bit of time to complete, to say the least.

I welcome any additions to the lists that have legal wind readings associated with them.
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Old 06-18-18, 07:16 AM
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Thanks for doing this JAVMAN.
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Thanks for doing this JAVMAN.
No problem. It takes awhile, but since super-statistician Craig Whitmore passed away about 10 years ago, I'm unaware of anyone or group continuing his type of work. I use much of his work as a platform from which to start, but I've gone and expanded on it as well as added new athletes since then.

I don't know how long Mr. Whitmore's data will be available on Super Fan JSquire's page http://personal.bgsu.edu/~jsquire/ , but I've already made copies of the data and am slowly working through the process of pulling them into spreadsheets and expanding on his work. I have no idea when this will be finished, but I suspect something in the 5-10 year range. I already have projects that are 8 years in the making right now, much of which has already been published, but I'm expanding that work, too.

I'm trying to model the spreadsheets similar to the data found in the annual "Athletics" manual, which is published by The Association of Track and Field Statisticians annually. You can buy it online out of the UK. For those of you that are statistical freaks like I am, one of these manuals makes for a great bathroom library read Just think of the old McWhorter's Guiness Book of World Records publications and I think you'll get the picture.
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I haven't started updating the Cincinnati city records yet but will be doing it this week. Javman's list points out that Serena Clark of East with her legal 11.72 bests Dee Dee Hill's record of 11.77 from 1990. Clark was entered in both the 100m and 200m championships races at NBON but never started either, not sure what happened there.
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JAVMAN: I was looking at your list and noticed Tianna Madison (now Bartoletta) from Elyria was on it. She also had great performances at the state meet not to mention her distinguished career as a professional in the long jump. She ran the lead off leg as part of the 400 relay that set that amazing world record in London (2012). She was only the third athlete at the time that had won four events two years in a row at the state meet (Wikipedia).
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JAVMAN: I was looking at your list and noticed Tianna Madison (now Bartoletta) from Elyria was on it. She also had great performances at the state meet not to mention her distinguished career as a professional in the long jump. She ran the lead off leg as part of the 400 relay that set that amazing world record in London (2012). She was only the third athlete at the time that had won four events two years in a row at the state meet (Wikipedia).
Yes, Tianna is well on the visible screen statistics-wise. I plan to do some in depth research into her LJ career at Elyria in the future.
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JAVMAN it sounds like we have some of the same bathroom reading material. I am currently trying to transition my spreadsheets of Coffman athlete performances to a database format. I have a LONG term goal of trying to create a site like Milesplit used to be to have a database of Ohio performances and to be able to create more complete performance lists and maybe more realistic virtual meets.
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Yeah, I remember hearing about it. Somewhat like when Gause false started in the 100 at the state meet. Still came back to win the 200 and run strong relay legs.
Gause vs. Kandace Thomas (Glenoak) in the 100 would've been something to see that year. In fact, they were headed for a photo finish in the 4x100 at the same state meet before Thomas hurt her ankle trying to run down Gause.
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FYI - I've begun compiling the 200m lists for women and should release a sub-24.00 list sometime next week. I'll extend the list eventually to sub 24.50, but the sub-24.00 list is a lot quicker to compile.
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