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Old 11-14-18, 08:12 PM
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Playoff Officiating

Can someone please inform me why the OHSAA is to cheap to put 7 officials on the field for playoff games?
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Old 11-14-18, 08:16 PM
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How many are there for the regular season?
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Old 11-14-18, 08:21 PM
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We always have 7 for our varsity games. The reason I think its totally nuts is because the 2 extra officials that our in the secondary along the sidelines are a huge help with a team that throws down field. Have you seen some of the line judges try to keep up on a 20 to 50 yrd pass? Tough to see catches, interference, etc....its the OHSAA being cheap!
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Old 11-14-18, 08:24 PM
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We always have 7 for our varsity games. The reason I think its totally nuts is because the 2 extra officials that our in the secondary along the sidelines are a huge help with a team that throws down field. Have you seen some of the line judges try to keep up on a 20 to 50 yrd pass? Tough to see catches, interference, etc....its the OHSAA being cheap!


Jeez when I was in high school we had four always.


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Old 11-14-18, 08:29 PM
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We always have 7 for our varsity games.
I can believe it, but where? I've never seen anything but 5 during the regular season.
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Old 11-14-18, 08:52 PM
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5 is the Standard for Varsity.

This year and last year crews going to the semi-finals and Finals have 6 added a Center Judge, next to Referee.

Rumor is 6 man crews will be optional starting next year.
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Old 11-14-18, 09:54 PM
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I just hope that eventually OHSAA will start using crews that worked together during the season as crews for playoff games. No more of the "all star" crews.
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Old 11-14-18, 10:14 PM
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We always have 7 for our varsity games. The reason I think its totally nuts is because the 2 extra officials that our in the secondary along the sidelines are a huge help with a team that throws down field. Have you seen some of the line judges try to keep up on a 20 to 50 yrd pass? Tough to see catches, interference, etc....its the OHSAA being cheap!


There are normally only 5 man crews in the regular season. Some schools allow 6 and some 7. For the most part this is not the problem of OHSAA. The conferences will not pay for 2 extra officials. As another problem if all crews went to 6/7 officials where would these people come from. Currently the State of Ohio, as well as many other states have a severe shortage of adults willing to take on the job.


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Old 11-14-18, 10:18 PM
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EVERY state is experiencing officials shortage in ALL sports across the board. Even Texas, who pays their officials quite well are experiencing shortages that are forcing more and more games to be played on Thursday nights due to needing officials to do two games.

Going to 7 for all games? That's a tough sell. Either you're bringing up inexperienced or unqualified officials that are currently only doing subvarsity, or you need to get creative with the schedule.
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Old 11-14-18, 10:41 PM
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I just hope that eventually OHSAA will start using crews that worked together during the season as crews for playoff games. No more of the "all star" crews.
I agree - only makes sense to keep the same crew together for playoff games.
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Old 11-15-18, 01:24 AM
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Clearly affected the Fenwick vs Wapakoneta game. If there were 7 refs there they might not have missed as many calls.
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Old 11-15-18, 05:49 AM
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I can believe it, but where? I've never seen anything but 5 during the regular season.
Massillon always has 7 officials for their home games.
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Old 11-15-18, 07:07 AM
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Massillon always has 7 officials for their home games.
It's easier for them to find officials because they just pull them out of the home bleachers.
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Old 11-15-18, 07:14 AM
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Through the 1st two Colerain games I felt the officials did an outstanding job and did not make themselves a factor in the games.
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Old 11-15-18, 07:30 AM
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Fewer the better in my opinion.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:04 AM
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I just hope that eventually OHSAA will start using crews that worked together during the season as crews for playoff games. No more of the "all star" crews.
They are slowly migrating towards this.

The problem is the tournament selections for this year are made based on ratings and votes from the prior year. Add that to the annual turnover in crews and it makes it extremely hard to assign an entire crew to games.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:30 AM
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Can someone please inform me why the OHSAA is to cheap to put 7 officials on the field for playoff games?
Then everyone would complain about the 2 additional incompetent referees
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Old 11-15-18, 08:32 AM
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I concur about bringing in full teams.

I always had my own theory on those that get selected:
*come playoff time there seems to be less penalties called.
*refs who make a lot of calls tend to get the ire of coaches/AD's/programs.
*refs at the receiving end of that ire tend to get lower evals.
*those who get voted in are the ones who didn't call as many penalties as they made themselves scarce and coaches/AD's don't notice them.

So what we get is a hodge podge of refs, not necessarily the better ones, who don't call many penalties during the season.


That is just my UNEDUCATED, UNIFORMED observation from watching playoff games for over 20 years.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:37 AM
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5 is the Standard for Varsity.

This year and last year crews going to the semi-finals and Finals have 6 added a Center Judge, next to Referee.

Rumor is 6 man crews will be optional starting next year.
Adding a center judge instead of an additional official in the defensive backfield (field judge or side judge) is a move so stupid only the OHSAA could have thought of it.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:45 AM
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*come playoff time there seems to be less penalties called.
You have two good teams. There should be fewer penalties.

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*refs who make a lot of calls tend to get the ire of coaches/AD's/programs.
*refs at the receiving end of that ire tend to get lower evals.
*those who get voted in are the ones who didn't call as many penalties as they made themselves scarce and coaches/AD's don't notice them.
The votes of the coaches are just one small part of the selection process.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:52 AM
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I agree - only makes sense to keep the same crew together for playoff games.
Even the best crews have guys who are older, out of shape, younger, or lack experience. Give them playoff games and you have better officials sitting at home. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:55 AM
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You have two good teams. There should be fewer penalties.

The votes of the coaches are just one small part of the selection process.
I have thought of that first part as well, but (knock on wood) even the team I follow gets less called than in the regular season.


Again, my theory is just my own peronsal UNIFORMED thoughts. I don't know exactly how officials get graded out but you cannot deny that games that have A LOT of flags we all blame the officials even if they are 100% correct calls
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Old 11-15-18, 09:14 AM
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Officiating is what it is, a good team just has to take care of business ( no turnovers ), play at a high level, basically control what you can control. One issue I do have is with the over weight zebras, their should be some type of weight limit for zebras, how does OHSAA expect fat zebras to be in position to make the correct call.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:22 AM
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Officiating is what it is, a good team just has to take care of business ( no turnovers ), play at a high level, basically control what you can control. One issue I do have is with the over weight zebras, their should be some type of weight limit for zebras, how does OHSAA expect fat zebras to be in position to make the correct call.
Then go out and recruit some young, trim football officials.

It's not a requirement to be a marathon runner to officiate high school athletics.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:24 AM
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With the Gold Book mechanics there really isn't any reason why playoff officials shouldn't be able to work with anyone on a given night. They shouldn't need their usual crew to perform well. Mistakes happen not because of crew mix-ups, but because we are human.

Also you have to remember that many crews contain a mixture of experience. You might have a crew with a first-year back judge but a 20th-year referee. Should the referee be held back because the back judge is inexperienced?

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Old 11-15-18, 09:28 AM
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It's easier for them to find officials because they just pull them out of the home bleachers.
Well done.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:31 AM
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Skip Baughman quote; at an coaches rules meeting when they decided to go from 4 to 5 officials. Skip said when I started coaching we had 2 officials and I thought that was 2 too many.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:39 AM
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Through the 1st two Colerain games I felt the officials did an outstanding job and did not make themselves a factor in the games.
So the calls did'nt go against your team
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Old 11-15-18, 09:39 AM
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There are normally only 5 man crews in the regular season. Some schools allow 6 and some 7. For the most part this is not the problem of OHSAA. The conferences will not pay for 2 extra officials. As another problem if all crews went to 6/7 officials where would these people come from. Currently the State of Ohio, as well as many other states have a severe shortage of adults willing to take on the job.
To be clear, there are PLENTY of officials (at least in my part of the state) that want to work varsity football and the playoffs.

The shortage in my area is mainly at the subvarsity level and getting new guys period.
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Old 11-15-18, 09:43 AM
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I concur about bringing in full teams.

I always had my own theory on those that get selected:
*come playoff time there seems to be less penalties called.
*refs who make a lot of calls tend to get the ire of coaches/AD's/programs.
*refs at the receiving end of that ire tend to get lower evals.
*those who get voted in are the ones who didn't call as many penalties as they made themselves scarce and coaches/AD's don't notice them.

So what we get is a hodge podge of refs, not necessarily the better ones, who don't call many penalties during the season.


That is just my UNEDUCATED, UNIFORMED observation from watching playoff games for over 20 years.
Wouldn’t refs also receive lower evals by NOT throwing flags on obvious penalties?
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