Thanks Great stuff middie 3. It sure would be nice if they could get the triple option implemented in the middle school. Any word if there are plans to do that any time soon? I think that would help alot so when they become freshman they know the system and can continue too improve
I dont know. I dont talk to the coaches very often. I know last year my grandson played for vail and they ran vairations of it. Just didnt have a good QB or offensive line to do anything.
Blue what grade is he in and what position did he play last year? Any reason why he transferred?
He's a senior and he play's CB not a very big kid or that fast but he does play the position well. Not sure about why he transferred but as most of us know Hamilton and Middletown have a lot of families who have lived in both cities.
He's a senior and he play's CB not a very big kid or that fast but he does play the position well. Not sure about why he transferred but as most of us know Hamilton and Middletown have a lot of families who have lived in both cities.
true big blue, a lot of these kids know each other well. we all over here have family in Hamilton it seems. Good luck to you and the Blue this year.
Well, he does live in the Edgewood district, but was open enrolled in Madison - so we are both correct!!
well glad to have the boy either way. Hope he likes it here. big competition difference between madison and middletown/GMC. Im sure if he loves the game he will catch up and be ready.
anyword on Pooh? Havent heard much about him this off season. Anyone know if he is ready to do some damage on the field?
Anyone know if the middies going to do a 7x7 this year. Not sure if we did one last and not sure Troy believes in them with him running the triple, but do think it could help jalin get jalin and the receivers in tune as well as the new defenders working on defending the pass.
He's a senior and he play's CB not a very big kid or that fast but he does play the position well. Not sure about why he transferred but as most of us know Hamilton and Middletown have a lot of families who have lived in both cities.
So is Hamilton going to boycott Middletown? Oh wait, I guess that's impossible.
I'm just starting crap! Don't mind me!
Seriously, I can't wait for this game. I've been waiting for this since Middletown defeated Colerain last.
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So is Hamilton going to boycott Middletown? Oh wait, I guess that's impossible.
I'm just starting crap! Don't mind me!
Seriously, I can't wait for this game. I've been waiting for this since Middletown defeated Colerain last.
Should be a good game. Been a while since they have played but these two teams have on long history of playing. By the way, middies are playing moeller again in basketball, so much for a middie boycott they should have boycotted playing them in the 70s and 80s when they had no chance lol.
Should be a good game. Been a while since they have played but these two teams have on long history of playing. By the way, middies are playing moeller again in basketball, so much for a middie boycott they should have boycotted playing them in the 70s and 80s when they had no chance lol.
It must just be in football. What a waste of time to take away one game from them. Wow, what a message!
There is no question Pound for Pound Middletown has better athletes than X. But in the game of football it comes down to playing to your strengths and schemes, which no one does better than X. And Middletown... Has proven to be stubborn and win sometimes in spite of triple option offense.
Colerain game 2011- no way you go away from passing game in the 2nd half when 2 bombs got you back in the game...but for whatever Middletown did just that.
With X superior size and rotations Middletown will have occasionally spread them out in my opinion and keep the St. X team D guessing.
There is no question Pound for Pound Middletown has better athletes than X. But in the game of football it comes down to playing to your strengths and schemes, which no one does better than X. And Middletown... Has proven to be stubborn and win sometimes in spite of triple option offense.
Colerain game 2011- no way you go away from passing game in the 2nd half when 2 bombs got you back in the game...but for whatever Middletown did just that.
With X superior size and rotations Middletown will have occasionally spread them out in my opinion and keep the St. X team D guessing.
Ummmm, you'll get a chance to test your "better athletes" hypothesis here in a minute....hold that thought til after the showdown please. Ummmmm, the only team with "Superior" size this year should be Moe....
Ummmm, you'll get a chance to test your "better athletes" hypothesis here in a minute....hold that thought til after the showdown please. Ummmmm, the only team with "Superior" size this year should be Moe....
I will concede size and total number of player quality players to X, but to say X can "Out Athlete" Middletown would be a mistake. I'm only worried about Middletown-X match up. X size and Defensive schemes will be a challenge. X is very disciplined especially when facing the triple.
I will concede size and total number of player quality players to X, but to say X can "Out Athlete" Middletown would be a mistake. I'm only worried about Middletown-X match up. X size and Defensive schemes will be a challenge. X is very disciplined especially when facing the triple.
Set Jalin Marshall aside for a minute because he is a truly special player...you just hope to contain kids like that when you play against them. Now who are we talking about that are superior athletes? I mean kids that just stand out? I don't follow the Middies close enough to speak to that...so in all sincerity I'm curious to know..
Set Jalin Marshall aside for a minute because he is a truly special player...you just hope to contain kids like that when you play against them. Now who are we talking about that are superior athletes? I mean kids that just stand out? I don't follow the Middies close enough to speak to that...so in all sincerity I'm curious to know..
Middies have a rb-peters that is also explosive and can take it to the house. Johnson middies receiver is one that if he breaks it nobody on X will catch him from behind. I am more worried about the new middies defense stopping the well coached X offense. Middies will need to make alot more stops on defense then they did against moellers big o-line
Strike my last stupid statement from the records, I researched it and realize Quinn graduated. What number was Peters last season? I thought he was #5 but that is someone else.
Ummmm, you'll get a chance to test your "better athletes" hypothesis here in a minute....hold that thought til after the showdown please. Ummmmm, the only team with "Superior" size this year should be Moe....
Middletown does have the better athletes. Always do for the most part. They are faster, quicker, more explosive. Problem is our size has always been our downfall, or at least most of the time. We are outmanned on the line just about every game. Speed doesnt always translate to wins or championships. But if you question Middletowns athletes, check around other programs. I guarantee you they will tell you every year we have one of the best "athlete" programs in Ohio. But like I said that doesnt always mean the better team. Sometimes we lack discipline to go along with our lack of size.
I guarantee you we have three athletes on the offensive side of the ball better than any athlete at St X (Jalin Marshall, Pooh Peters and Lance Johnson). But St X probably has three better linemen than we do. Just an old mans humble opinion.
Middies have a rb-peters that is also explosive and can take it to the house. Johnson middies receiver is one that if he breaks it nobody on X will catch him from behind. I am more worried about the new middies defense stopping the well coached X offense. Middies will need to make alot more stops on defense then they did against moellers big o-line
my thoughts exactly. I dont know if our new defense with 7-8 new starters can contain St X. We have to be smart and disciplined but thats asking a lot from that many new starters. St X will be a handful.
There is no question Pound for Pound Middletown has better athletes than X. But in the game of football it comes down to playing to your strengths and schemes, which no one does better than X. And Middletown... Has proven to be stubborn and win sometimes in spite of triple option offense.
Colerain game 2011- no way you go away from passing game in the 2nd half when 2 bombs got you back in the game...but for whatever Middletown did just that.
With X superior size and rotations Middletown will have occasionally spread them out in my opinion and keep the St. X team D guessing.
If you evaluate better athletes in terms of 1,2, or 3 of them, I'd say you are right. But if you look at the collective whole, I'd say St. X has better athletes position by position mainly due to their sheer number of players. For example, every kid on the O and D-line that has a chance of starting this year ran a 4.9 to 5.8 second 40 and they are all over 220 lbs. I don't think I'd say overall, Middies have a more athletic team. Again, I think it's in the numbers more than anything else. Then throw in off season conditioning, coaching, focus and execution and you've got yourself good football team.
Middletown does have the better athletes. Always do for the most part. They are faster, quicker, more explosive. Problem is our size has always been our downfall, or at least most of the time. We are outmanned on the line just about every game. Speed doesnt always translate to wins or championships. But if you question Middletowns athletes, check around other programs. I guarantee you they will tell you every year we have one of the best "athlete" programs in Ohio. But like I said that doesnt always mean the better team. Sometimes we lack discipline to go along with our lack of size.
I guarantee you we have three athletes on the offensive side of the ball better than any athlete at St X (Jalin Marshall, Pooh Peters and Lance Johnson). But St X probably has three better linemen than we do. Just an old mans humble opinion.
Not exactly sure how you are defining "athlete" by 100 or 40 times, by bench press or squat numbers or verticle jump but you have to be very careful. I think Marshall will be the best "all around" athlete on the field but I think I would take Trey Kilgore from X as second best "athlete" on the field. But athletes aside you better have some football players on the field or those athletes are going be running down the football players from behind all game long.
Strike my last stupid statement from the records, I researched it and realize Quinn graduated. What number was Peters last season? I thought he was #5 but that is someone else.
He wore 5 but changed to 25 last season. He played the second half of the season.
Not exactly sure how you are defining "athlete" by 100 or 40 times, by bench press or squat numbers or verticle jump but you have to be very careful. I think Marshall will be the best "all around" athlete on the field but I think I would take Trey Kilgore from X as second best "athlete" on the field. But athletes aside you better have some football players on the field or those athletes are going be running down the football players from behind all game long.
I would still take johnson over kilgore. Take a look at the long run jalin had against centerville in the playoffs and watch johnson come from behind and catch up to jalin to try to block for him. Johnson also plays basketball and went to state in the long jump and hurldes i believe. Having the faster athletes does nothing if the X offense is avegaing 5-8 yards a pop. They are going to have to commit to stopping the run aganst the bigger team like moe in 2009 and hope X is not able to have too many big plays in the passing game. X is sthe the favorite no question about it. As i stated before if the middies keep it close i would be encouraged.
my thoughts exactly. I dont know if our new defense with 7-8 new starters can contain St X. We have to be smart and disciplined but thats asking a lot from that many new starters. St X will be a handful.
We are going to have to hope the middies offense can have the same success they had against Moe in the playoffs and out score X which is a big IF.
Middletown would be stupid to play 2 GCL schools out of three out of conference games. Why play moeller when X is the better team ?
No, I meant the only game Moeller had taken away from this boycott was the Moeller/Hamilton rivalry. That wasn't much of a message to send when there are multiple OOS and northern OH schools willing to play.
Middies have a rb-peters that is also explosive and can take it to the house. Johnson middies receiver is one that if he breaks it nobody on X will catch him from behind. I am more worried about the new middies defense stopping the well coached X offense. Middies will need to make alot more stops on defense then they did against moellers big o-line
I'm not going to try and discredit any abilities or players from Middletown, 1. because I can't due to their success and 2. because I don't know anything about Middletown's team very well.
As far as players. X has 2 WRs that run under a 4.5 40-yard dash, a monster FB who plays a large D-line position, 5 QBs to choose from, and a junior RB who has been on varsity for 2 years already so knows the schemes and plays. As far as defense, one of X's players caught Colerain's QB (#10) from behind last year, week 3. X's defense will be faster than you think. They still may not catch Johnson but we'll see about that. What worries me is the new X O-line stopping the Middie defense. 4 voids to be filled.
I'm not going to try and discredit any abilities or players from Middletown, 1. because I can't due to their success and 2. because I don't know anything about Middletown's team very well.
As far as players. X has 2 WRs that run under a 4.5 40-yard dash, a monster FB who plays a large D-line position, 5 QBs to choose from, and a junior RB who has been on varsity for 2 years already so knows the schemes and plays. As far as defense, one of X's players caught Colerain's QB (#10) from behind last year, week 3. X's defense will be faster than you think. They still may not catch Johnson but we'll see about that. What worries me is the new X O-line stopping the Middie defense. 4 voids to be filled.
Speaking to Middletown tradition of athleticism: even when our team were not that great in W/L column we continued to have kids recruited by d1 programs. X has definitely had their share over the years, but given their number of players and stats generated you would think kids would go bigger than some places they ended up. IE: Conner Hundley.
I have total respect for X and only give my middies at this time a fighting chance until I see them in practices/scrimmages. X is the huge favorite and would have been last year as well even if Middletown would had survived Moeller.
[quote=Middie 85 Alum;5092699]I would still take johnson over kilgore. Take a look at the long run jalin had against centerville in the playoffs and watch johnson come from behind and catch up to jalin to try to block for him. Johnson also plays basketball and went to state in the long jump and hurldes i believe. Having the faster athletes does nothing if the X offense is avegaing 5-8 yards a pop. They are going to have to commit to stopping the run aganst the bigger team like moe in 2009 and hope X is not able to have too many big plays in the passing game. X is sthe the favorite no question about it. As i stated before if the middies keep it close i would be encouraged.[/QUOTE]
Don't sell the Middies short. Its way too early to declare a favorite. At least wait until one or two scrimmages. I believe that the Middies may end up a little bigger on the offensive line. The first thing Everhart has to do is decide who is playing center. Of all the key personnel losses for Middletown, the graduation of Henderson could be the biggest. If he can't find a decent center that offense is going to be in big, big trouble (Jalin Marshall or not). He probably already has his man picked for the job. And I think the linebaker corp will be just as good, if not better than last seasons. I believe that Sorrell is going to have to play on the defensive side of the ball, for sure. The two guys that could really be difference makers are Colson and Glover. If Colson ends up at FB then Glover could be on the defensive front. What are the sizes of Colson and Glover?
they should have boycotted playing them in the 70s and 80s when they had no chance lol.
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