This year Big Red will be waiting for you. The players won't remember the beating you gave us, but the coaches will.
BEWARE!!!
I'm flying in from Seattle to witness the punishment.
It is much too early to start "trash talking" about the game and how you will punish us!? You may win big but very few teams in the great history of our program have EVER punished us.
I hope that both teams play to their best ability and it turns out a good football game.
Don't forget the team we beat you badly with had seven All-State players on it. It truly was a championship team even on paper such as the AP. Had to get the AP in there. LOL
The play by Williams wasn't to classy but I don't think you can make your comment about the whole team. They were for the most part, good kids playing at a great level.
Problem was that our quarterback wasn't that good that year but better than the coaches play calling. They decided to run Ray Williams so Big Red put their defense in the box .So it leveled the playing field to push the game into more than one overtime if my memory serves me right.
The following week, we tore up Beaver Creek. Then lost to Watterson in the worse snow storm I ever sat in at a high school football game. We might have stood a better chance if we had changed shoes before half time. We waited too long to change shoes in the first half.
The snow was like sitting in front of a snow machine for a ski resort. You were lucky to see numbers on the players let alone see what was going on during the action on the field
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For some reason my recollection of the snow during that title game against Watterson is that it wasn't really that bad. I mean, sure, bad enough that the Bengals' backfield and o-line was slipping and sliding all around, but really Watterson just came out and executed better in the exact same weather. Even if the coaching staff had switched out the cleats earlier in the game, I still think the Eagles win by around two touchdowns. The weather didn't help, but Benny was outplayed that day.
It is much too early to start "trash talking" about the game and how you will punish us!? You may win big but very few teams in the great history of our program have EVER punished us.
I hope that both teams play to their best ability and it turns out a good football game.
Don't forget the team we beat you badly with had seven All-State players on it. It truly was a championship team even on paper such as the AP. Had to get the AP in there. LOL
Don't mind me. I'm just being silly.
Actually I do expect Big Red to win this game, but I think it will be close. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
The good news for me is that I plan to fly in from Seattle to see the game. I think it will be worth the trip.
For some reason my recollection of the snow during that title game against Watterson is that it wasn't really that bad. I mean, sure, bad enough that the Bengals' backfield and o-line was slipping and sliding all around, but really Watterson just came out and executed better in the exact same weather. Even if the coaching staff had switched out the cleats earlier in the game, I still think the Eagles win by around two touchdowns. The weather didn't help, but Benny was outplayed that day.
I guess your recollection is slightly different from mine. Really not that bad?
Davis was never involved in a homicide where he robbed his friend.
You usually make sense when posting but your comments are not focused on a football game but off the field antics nor is your comment historically accurate. You refer to a "classy bunch" then change your argument to a single player's actions off the field!? Not a logical line of discussion.
What ever happened to Bronko who went to West Virginia? I don't think his actions represents the program in Steubenville. If I did, that would be illogical thinking and quite stupid of me.
It is a long time till the game this fall. Let's not get "ugly" with the subject matter this early and try not to get too ugly as game time approaches. There are two good respectable programs involved and let us behave accordingly!!
I recall the Benedictine fans on this very site bragging about their "Inner City Liaison" combing the streets of Cleveland for talent back in the beginning of the century. But then all of that blew up in their face with the actions of Mr Football and his buddies (while they were enrolled at Benedictine).
It seems to me, from reading these message boards, that Benedictine basically sold their soul to bring in good athletes with questionable character in order to gain gridiron glory.
I recall the Benedictine fans on this very site bragging about their "Inner City Liaison" combing the streets of Cleveland for talent back in the beginning of the century. But then all of that blew up in their face with the actions of Mr Football and his buddies (while they were enrolled at Benedictine).
It seems to me, from reading these message boards, that Benedictine basically sold their soul to bring in good athletes with questionable character in order to gain gridiron glory.
The program at Benedictine started LONG before the incident you mentioned and refer to. I speak of the Charity Game when it meant something back in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. No team in the Greater Cleveland area won more Charity Games then Benedictine. Head to Head competition, we had a winning record against Ignatius for example. Once the computer playoffs came into existence in the early 70's, Benedictine was right there competing without the "Inner City Liaison" you mentioned. We have had state championships in every decade since the inception of the computer playoffs without relying on this idea of yours.
So I believe your conception of the Bengal program is misconstrued by one incident which tainted the more recent history of the program.
The program had to have had great athletes to accomplish these feats without relying on the "Inner City Liaison" you mention. In reality, over the early history of the program, many of the students of European heritage lived in the neighborhoods around the school. Just trying to set the facts straight and maybe let you know some things you obviously are unaware of.
As a real fan of what both Benedictine and Steubenville High School truly stand for, ie truly schools and administrations who have remained loyal to their local communities and their respective mission over the past 50 years, I would strongly suggest that folks look forward to this game with enthusiasm for the fact that two great programs have decided to play during the regular season. Both programs are made up of many kids that come from difficult neighborhoods
-not all, but many)-but are welcomed by teachers and coaches who are willing to commit time and effort in return for the same from those kids who wish to commit themselves. I sat in the stands and watched the Ray Williams "show" against Big Red and no honest Bengal fan can say they were proud of it. By the same token, Big Red fans have had a few embarrassing moments themselves over the years. Why not somebody celebrate the fact that Ray Williams has since overcome jail and I am sure a lot of personal guilt and is moving on-as will Tubbo, Bronko and others. People make mistakes, bad ones. I like coaches like Bortnick and Reno who instead of writing kids off, give them a chance; contrary to public belief it isn't just kids with talent who get that break, but with these coaches, kids who are willing to commit to a team ,an ideal, an extreme effort to play football.
Steubenville hasn't failed to pass a school levy in 50 years and the Benedictine Brothers could have easily left their community many times; two integrated football teams, two celebrated, classy programs, supported by their alumni and community are playing next fall-let's focus on THAT.
As a real fan of what both Benedictine and Steubenville High School truly stand for, ie truly schools and administrations who have remained loyal to their local communities and their respective mission over the past 50 years, I would strongly suggest that folks look forward to this game with enthusiasm for the fact that two great programs have decided to play during the regular season. Both programs are made up of many kids that come from difficult neighborhoods
-not all, but many)-but are welcomed by teachers and coaches who are willing to commit time and effort in return for the same from those kids who wish to commit themselves. I sat in the stands and watched the Ray Williams "show" against Big Red and no honest Bengal fan can say they were proud of it. By the same token, Big Red fans have had a few embarrassing moments themselves over the years. Why not somebody celebrate the fact that Ray Williams has since overcome jail and I am sure a lot of personal guilt and is moving on-as will Tubbo, Bronko and others. People make mistakes, bad ones. I like coaches like Bortnick and Reno who instead of writing kids off, give them a chance; contrary to public belief it isn't just kids with talent who get that break, but with these coaches, kids who are willing to commit to a team ,an ideal, an extreme effort to play football.
Steubenville hasn't failed to pass a school levy in 50 years and the Benedictine Brothers could have easily left their community many times; two integrated football teams, two celebrated, classy programs, supported by their alumni and community are playing next fall-let's focus on THAT.
The program at Benedictine started LONG before the incident you mentioned and refer to. I speak of the Charity Game when it meant something back in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. No team in the Greater Cleveland area won more Charity Games then Benedictine. Head to Head competition, we had a winning record against Ignatius for example. Once the computer playoffs came into existence in the early 70's, Benedictine was right there competing without the "Inner City Liaison" you mentioned. We have had state championships in every decade since the inception of the computer playoffs without relying on this idea of yours.
So I believe your conception of the Bengal program is misconstrued by one incident which tainted the more recent history of the program.
The program had to have had great athletes to accomplish these feats without relying on the "Inner City Liaison" you mention. In reality, over the early history of the program, many of the students of European heritage lived in the neighborhoods around the school. Just trying to set the facts straight and maybe let you know some things you obviously are unaware of.
I don't judge Benedictine on that one incident. I was left with a very positive image of them after the 1990 game. But it seems, especially reading posts on here during that time, that there was a bit of selling your soul to the devil in order to aquire some football talent. When you have an "Inner City Liaison" scoping out junior high talent across the Cleveland area, then it seems the school has lost its direction.
Hopefully they have learned from that and have gotten back on track.
Bengal football and basketball games will never be the same with the passing of Howie Chizek. Many Bengal athletes were the recipient of his selfless generosity. May his soul rest in peace!
Thanks Auggie. I see another Cvijanovich is on the line. His older brother, Simon (BHS '10), will be the starting strong-side tackle at Illinois this fall.
I recall the Benedictine fans on this very site bragging about their "Inner City Liaison" combing the streets of Cleveland for talent back in the beginning of the century. But then all of that blew up in their face with the actions of Mr Football and his buddies (while they were enrolled at Benedictine).
It seems to me, from reading these message boards, that Benedictine basically sold their soul to bring in good athletes with questionable character in order to gain gridiron glory.
I don't remember anyone bragging about anything like that at any time in the eight or so years that I've been here. I've heard of some other Catholic schools that have "inner-city liaisons" that have experienced boosts in athletics, but I'm not sure it's ever really been necessary at Benedictine.
Just to set the record straight, the neighborhood in which Benny is located is over 95% African-American and Benedictine has been accepting and educating minorities since at least the early 1970s. This "reap what you sow" argument makes little sense in that light. A number of kids that attend the school and have attended the school over the past four decades come from difficult backgrounds (nothing has changed in that regard since the early 1990s). Benedictine will be able to help a vast majority of these young men, but unfortunately a few fall through the cracks. Sadly, however, that's true of any educational institution or organization that reaches out in such a way. No disrespect but your comments simply do not reflect the reality at Benedictine.
I'm not from Cleveland, so there would be no way for me to know about that position or individual unless I read it on here from the Benedictine supporters. As I recall, he was terminated right after that fiasco.
I've heard of some other Catholic schools that have "inner-city liaisons" that have experienced boosts in athletics, but I'm not sure it's ever really been necessary at Benedictine.
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