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Based on what we knew, Division I will either be split in half, or a percentage of the top enrollments.
This is a pre-emptive strike by the OHSAA, in advance of the competitive balance vote, which I predict will now be approved.
I actually would be more in favor of this than the other formulas. But this is from my perspective only. As a Mentor fan, I know we will be in the highest division no matter what. I know any competitive balance thing that goes into effect will only make D1 tougher. I am more concerned with the lower enrollment D1's from around here like Willoughby South, Riverside and Mayfield. I want those teams to have an actual shot to win a state title. Right now they have no shot.
the top 72 teams (by enrollment) go to the new division 1 (whatever they want to call it)
the rest of the teams get re-distributed evenly into the remaining six divisions. since those were roughly 120 per before, these would be about 108 per. If my math is right, d6 would lose the top 12 teams (by enrollment) to d5, d5 loses the top 24, d4 36, d3 48, d2 60, and d1 72. Please correct that if I'm reading it wrong. If true it will really change things the higher up the division ladder you go.
This will then be altered if the competitive balance issue passes.
Now here's your trophy, and your trophy and you get a trophy and oh by the way don't forget the little whiny arse in the corner, he gets a trophy too.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
If you build it they will come!
1. Socialism claim can only be made if one assumes that everyone has a fair shot so this comparison is off. These programs in higher D1 plays by different rules. Mentor and Strongsville have double the allotment of boys to choose from in a closed district. The privates can draw from 5-6 counties and Iggy/X have double the enrollment on top of that. The schools with 500 something boys in a closed enrollment have no shot to compete.
2. The MAC plays D5 and D6 football. Not quite the same situation as playing the huge publics and power privates in D1. Yes they can win titles over the privates down there at times. But the disparities are not the same as they are in D1.
3. Your examples aren't really valid. Hilliard has a very big school district. And I believe that those kids could choose which school in the district to attend. They have the opportunity to win and they built the program to do so. These smaller closed enrollment publics don't have those resources to win.
4. The hard work bs is tiring on here. Has nothing to do with bad coaching and not trying with a lot of these schools. It has to do with not having the resources/enrollment to compete. Also it is laughable to bring up Ignatius in this and act like those schools can strive to be at that level. Ignatius has over 1000 boys in their enrollment and draw from 5-6 counties on top of that. How the hell is that the same as having 500 something boys in one school district to choose from?
Moe: There is no defense, period, that a school like St. X or Mentor be put in the same playoff division as schools like Olentangy Orange and Dublin Jerome (with fewer than 500 boys). if you think this is "socialism", I have a new found loss of respect for a Moeller diploma.
Your "build it and they will come" shows how narrow minded, parochial, and off-base you are. Especially when you list Hilliard Davidson as an example. They are a closed enrollment, split district, suburban school. Kids don't move to the Davidson district for football. The numbers of 'transfers' they've had I could count on one hand and none played any roll in their '06 or '09 state championships.
I've looked at the enrollment counts and it puts the cutoff at around 600 boys (3 class total). That is a much bigger net than I thought they'd cast. I thought they'd put the cut at 750 boys roughly.
St. Ed's only has 627, so that might be why they made the cut where they did. Would have been a little lopsided to have Ed's in DIb.
Especially when you list Hilliard Davidson as an example. They are a closed enrollment, split district, suburban school. Kids don't move to the Davidson district for football. The numbers of 'transfers' they've had I could count on one hand and none played any roll in their '06 or '09 state championships.
IOW, they are the exact kind of school the juicebox heroes on here claim can't compete.
IOW, they are the exact kind of school the juicebox heroes on here claim can't compete.
I was under the assumption that up until recently anyone from that school district could pick the school that they wanted to attend of the 3 in that district. That would be a lot of boys Davidson could get. They have 708 in their enrollment figures alone to pick from. Not quite the same as 500 something or less.
I was under the assumption that up until recently anyone from that school district could pick the school that they wanted to attend of the 3 in that district.
Not correct. There may have been some exceptions as lines were drawn and modified as Darby, then Bradley came online, but it was never any kind of "open district".
The OHSAA needs to stop dancing around the obvious elephant in the room. Split the public playoffs from the private playoffs, keep 6 divisions in each group (lest we turn in to Texas or California), and go back to only taking the top two teams from each region. That puts the regular season back into perspective, with teams having to play against strong opponents AND that takes all of those 5-5 or 6-4 teams out of the playoffs. We have the region championship during week 1, the semifinals during week 2, then the championships during week 3. If that's too quick for some people, then use the Indiana idea of playing 9 regular season games and turn week 10 into the first round of the playoffs. You could then take the top 4 teams from each region. When you consider that you have split the publics from the privates, you are actually taking the top 8 teams combined from each region.
Well as I said, they have 708 even now and that is after the split into 2 additional schools in the school district. Not quite the same as Mayfield having 564 and being the only public in their school district.
Well as I said, they have 708 even now and that is after the split into 2 additional schools in the school district. Not quite the same as Mayfield having 564 and being the only public in their school district.
So the "sweet spot" of being able to compete falls somewhere between 564 and 708? Those 144 boys must be absolute studs.
So the "sweet spot" of being able to compete falls somewhere between 564 and 708?
They also have 2 500 something enrollment schools in their school district on top of that. I am sure the talented ones from Darby/Bradley can find their way into Davidson if they choose to do so. Not saying that is funny business either. But if you are that close and can attend a power vs a startup, they can find ways.
Also there are schools at the low 500's and upper 400's in D1. Schools like Willoughby South and Dublin Jerome. Using your logic that 200 something isn't a difference, a lot of D2 should come up to D1.
I mean heck a D2/D3 like Lake Catholic has 320 which is 175 less than Jerome. They should come up to compete against everyone even bigger just because they are within 200 of some D1 schools.
They also have 2 500 something enrollment schools in their school district on top of that. I am sure the talented ones from Darby/Bradley can find their way into Davidson if they choose to do so. Not saying that is funny business either. But if you are that close and can attend a power vs a startup, they can find ways.
There is one way, their parents can buy or rent a residence in the Davidson attendance area. I'm aware of no families who have made that decision.
IOW, they are the exact kind of school the juicebox heroes on here claim can't compete.
Completely wrong. Davidson has the 38th largest enrollment in the state. That puts them in the upper third of D1. IOW, they are the exact kind of school the cognizant on here claim can compete.
I actually would be more in favor of this than the other formulas. But this is from my perspective only. As a Mentor fan, I know we will be in the highest division no matter what. I know any competitive balance thing that goes into effect will only make D1 tougher. I am more concerned with the lower enrollment D1's from around here like Willoughby South, Riverside and Mayfield. I want those teams to have an actual shot to win a state title. Right now they have no shot.
I actually agree that something needs to be done. I am an X supporter, so no matter what happens, I know X will always be in the most competitve division (large school, private school, lots of recent success - whatever measurement you want to use, we are going to wind up being in the top division) so my only interest in changing how things are done is that is provide more "fairness" however you want to define that.
I DON'T like the idea of expanding the number of division. Nor do I like the idea of a public-private split. But re-ordering D1 and D6 (where the differentials in enrollment are the most extreme) would be the most "fair IMO. The OHSAA needs to abandon the idea that all of the divisions must have roughly the same number of teams in each division in order to be "fair". The distribution of the number of teams looks like a bell curve - not a flat line. Make the divisions reflect that reality.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
That's a completely inaccurate representation of the MAC's success. If you want to analogize the MAC with D1, then you would have the MAC schools competing in D2. The results might be a bit different in that case, eh?
I DON'T like the idea of expanding the number of division. Nor do I like the idea of a public-private split. But re-ordering D1 and D6 (where the differentials in enrollment are the most extreme) would be the most "fair IMO. The OHSAA needs to abandon the idea that all of the divisions must have roughly the same number of teams in each division in order to be "fair". The distribution of the number of teams looks like a bell curve - not a flat line. Make the divisions reflect that reality.
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