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Old 02-23-12, 02:00 PM
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State Meet Results

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Old 02-23-12, 11:13 PM
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Highlights from the Division I Diving Championship battle between Hudson's Alex Obendorf and Nordonia's Stephen Romanik.


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Old 02-24-12, 12:52 PM
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If D2 boys finish as ranked from prelims tonight the meet will score out this way:
Dayton Oakwood, 233; University, 215; Lima Shawnee, 157; Wyoming, 115.

If Oakwood's 400 free relay were here the race for first would be over. Even so, it doesn't look like University could move up enought to catch Oakwood.

Tomorrow D1 boys will finish if the placing stays the same as follows:
St. X, 261; Upper Arlington, 211; St.F, 202; Centerville, 176; St. Ignatius, 157

Looking at the placing both UA & St.F have about the same number of opportunities to move up and score more points. Doesn't look like UA unstacked their relays in prelims, but St.F may have unstacked its 400 Free. And traditionally St.X unstacks their relays in prelims. Should be an interesting meet.
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Old 02-25-12, 11:43 PM
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Wasn't there, but how obvious was the DQ orfSt.F in the 200 Relay? Hope that it was not controversial as it ended up costing them the runner-up trophy. St.F sure seems to have hard luck at the state meet. Last year if Barone isn't injured the week of the state meet so he couldn't swim, they probably win the championship. This year the DQ costs them second place. Can't remember a team having that much hard luck year in and year out.
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Old 02-26-12, 11:11 AM
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The dq was not that close. Only the St. F people thought it was close. The coach claims to have video tape of the take off but every official on that side of the pool saw he left early. In the 400 free they protested the finish saying the pads were wrong and they had won. All the pad times, back up times and watch times all had them 2nd. A swimmer getting sick is unlucky, a swimmer leaving early is about luck.
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Old 02-26-12, 02:57 PM
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Remarkably even with the dq of the 200 free relay; St. Francis would have finished second if the medley relay goes .04 faster; or Zimmerman goes .04 faster in the 200 free; or the 400 free relay goes .07 faster.
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Old 02-27-12, 08:31 AM
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Congratulations to all on another great meet although it's sad to see 2 winning efforts (St. Francis - 200 Free Relay & Lima Shawnee - 200 Medley Relay) DQed. Add to that Oakwood's 400 Free Relay in the district and clearly the disqualifications of the relays impacted the team standings - moving University to the championship in D2 & UA to the runner up position in D1. While the Oakwood DQ seems inexplicable given their domination of the district race (although according to the Dayton News a photo exists showing the DQ to be a bad call), the state meet DQs are more understandable because of the close competition in what was a very fast meet in both divisions from top to bottom.

It looks like the expansion of the boys to 2 divisions has broadened the participation in the state meet without noticeably slowing the D1 meet. The D1 meet remains one of the most competitive and fastest state meets in the country and the D2 meet is not far behind.
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Old 02-27-12, 03:27 PM
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The Lima Shawnee 200 medley relay did not win the event before they were eventually dq'd. They finished either 2nd or 3rd. Also University was without the services of Nicholas Crane who would have scored in 2 individual events and would have made the relays faster.
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Old 02-27-12, 04:04 PM
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It looks like the expansion of the boys to 2 divisions has broadened the participation in the state meet without noticeably slowing the D1 meet. The D1 meet remains one of the most competitive and fastest state meets in the country and the D2 meet is not far behind.
I agree completely. Looking at past results, it seems that the depth in D1 swimming has actually gotten faster since the split. And both the top ends of D1 and D2 swimming are just as fast as they have ever been. Just look at the 100 breast, 5 swimmers under 57. Just 3 years ago and any one of those times would have easily won.
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Old 02-29-12, 10:56 AM
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relay dq

Our coaches and swimmers at St. Francis all knew that we false started in the 200 free relay and accepted it graciously. All 4 swimmers listened to the officials and gathered their things and walked away without throwing anything or exhibiting any negative reactions. The parents are the ones with the video who tried to enter it as evidence. Also, nobody on our team protested the finish of the 400 free relay. I just wanted to clear this up.
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Old 02-29-12, 11:25 AM
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Our coaches and swimmers at St. Francis all knew that we false started in the 200 free relay and accepted it graciously. All 4 swimmers listened to the officials and gathered their things and walked away without throwing anything or exhibiting any negative reactions. The parents are the ones with the video who tried to enter it as evidence. Also, nobody on our team protested the finish of the 400 free relay. I just wanted to clear this up.
Having been fortunate to attend swim meets at Toledo and witness the interaction of the team at the state meet this year and in previous years, it is obvious that they are great young men who exemplify the best of sportsmanship.
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Old 02-29-12, 11:54 AM
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Buckeyedr, not sure what you consider a protest or not but swimmers from the 400 free relay went to the officials and told the officials that they saw the finish and they (St. F) had won. The coach then came over and wanted an explanation from the officials. The officials checked all back up times and the finish was confirmed that St. F finished 2nd. This may not have been a written protest but it was a protest of the finish.
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Old 02-29-12, 01:57 PM
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What a fun meet! Both D1 and D2 had some great races.

First off good luck to Erik Risolvoto and his future in this sport. He had some very impressive swims.

Two teams that I thought did really well at the meet were Beavercreek and Centerville (minus a couple kids). St. X did not really swim all that well but its hard to beat the number of good swimmers they have.

Congrats to all the swimmers that competed and good luck to all of them as they enter their championship meets for their club teams.
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Old 03-05-12, 01:54 AM
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I always LMAO when I see the state results and see by how much STX won...
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Old 03-05-12, 10:42 AM
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I always LMAO when I see the state results and see by how much STX won...
I dont understand why its so funny. I mean they have no competition in there district meet so of course they qualify a ton of swimmers and yes they won as a team but they only won one event and that was the 200free relay they have a lot of depth and some great swimmers but I don't think its funny really the only thing that might be funny is how people are so rapped up in a state title as a team when your individual swimming and your individual grades is what gets you into college.
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Old 03-05-12, 11:30 AM
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If swimming is all about individual swimming why did you do only one individual event instead of 2?
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Old 03-05-12, 12:46 PM
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I dont understand why its so funny. I mean they have no competition in there district meet so of course they qualify a ton of swimmers and yes they won as a team but they only won one event and that was the 200free relay they have a lot of depth and some great swimmers but I don't think its funny really the only thing that might be funny is how people are so rapped up in a state title as a team when your individual swimming and your individual grades is what gets you into college.
No compeition in their District meet?!! First of all you are not very educated to say that. The SW District is the fastest meet top to bottom in the state. Even if it wasn't competitive times make it to state not your place at your district meet.

Clearly you are all about yourself as a swimmer. Hopefully you learn something about being a teammate and realize how important winning conference championships, state meets, etc. are to teams in High School and the Collegiate level.
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Old 03-05-12, 02:52 PM
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No compeition in their District meet?!! First of all you are not very educated to say that. The SW District is the fastest meet top to bottom in the state. Even if it wasn't competitive times make it to state not your place at your district meet.

Clearly you are all about yourself as a swimmer. Hopefully you learn something about being a teammate and realize how important winning conference championships, state meets, etc. are to teams in High School and the Collegiate level.
I was trying to say that they dominate there district yes the southwest is very fast but what i was getting at is that if they had to go up against another power house school like st fran. they wouldnt qualify as many swimmers. And I am very much a team player I swam three relays and one ind. event this year for my team so that two of the seniors on my team could get gold medals. And yes I I do think that winning championships and conference meets are fun but I would rather my teammates and swimmers make progress and become better swimmers by making improvements then to be so caught up on a team win because not every team can win state titles and conference titles so sometimes you have to enjoy the simple fact that you got faster and had a good meet.
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Old 03-05-12, 03:30 PM
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I was trying to say that they dominate there district yes the southwest is very fast but what i was getting at is that if they had to go up against another power house school like st fran. they wouldnt qualify as many swimmers.
Not a single St. X kid who qualified to state needed an automatic bid to get there. Therefore, it doesn't matter at all who is in there district. You could have thrown in Upper Arlington too and the same number of X kids would have qualified.
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Old 03-05-12, 06:13 PM
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Not a single St. X kid who qualified to state needed an automatic bid to get there. Therefore, it doesn't matter at all who is in there district. You could have thrown in Upper Arlington too and the same number of X kids would have qualified.
idk i think if you threw st f in there district things might be different. I'm not bashing on st x or saying that there no good. They are a great team they do a great job at winning the state meet every year i was just trying to say that people on here focus a little to much on the state title. There is more to highschool swimming then just that not every team can win a state or a conference title so sometimes is just good to focus on your teams progress and the improvement of times for individuals. I was just rechecking the southwest district and the depth for the times is ridicules but compared to the st x kids they really dominated all the other meets in the southwest district there were a few very fast times out of some of the other meets but nothing to compete with them. Again I'm not trying to bash on st x at all but my beliefs are that when it comes to the state meet the focus shouldn't be on winning the state meet unless you obviously a power house team that has the depth to do it. Instead the focus on enjoying the hype of the meet and having great swims is what it should come down to. The state meet is probably the funnest meet I have ever been to even junior and senior nationals doesn't compare to the hype and the intensity of ohsaa state meet. My team one two relay titles and because we dqed our medley we didn't make it into the top 3 as a team of 5 guys but that doesnt make a difference because we were just as happy as university was and they won the meet. So winning your conference meet or district meet or ncaa meet or whatever isnt always what is important BigSwimFan sometimes it IS about your individual performance because your individual performance can and will effect the way your team reacts and swims.

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Old 03-05-12, 09:53 PM
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I agree all the way Erik. It was so great to see you swim at sectionals, districts, and state this year. I was really impressed with the way that you ended up talking to and forming a competitive friendship with two of my swimmers at the district meet this year. That carried over to you coming over and wishing them and the rest of their teammates good luck while at dinner at Bravo in Canton one evening. You did not have to do that. The fact that you did, speaks volume of the character that you have. Your family, friends, teammates, coaches, and members of Lima Shawnee High School should be very proud and honored to have such a humble, charismatic, and genuine young man in their lives.
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Old 03-05-12, 09:58 PM
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I always LMAO when I see the state results and see by how much STX won...

Many Bombers just humble and proud of the sucess of the swim team.
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Old 03-05-12, 10:22 PM
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Many Bombers just humble and proud of the sucess of the swim team.
As well they should be...

But, the margins of victory are, literally, comical.

I'm not saying its a good or bad thing...just saying I almost fall off my chair laughing when I peruse the results...
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As well they should be...

But, the margins of victory are, literally, comical.

I'm not saying its a good or bad thing...just saying I almost fall off my chair laughing when I peruse the results...


Unsure how closely you follow St. X swimming? The last time the margin of victory was signficant was in 2007. In 2008 the Bombers came in second place to a great St. Charles team. In 2009, 2010 and 2011, the championship came down to the last couple of races. The margin of victory was very close.
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Old 03-06-12, 07:29 AM
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Unsure how closely you follow St. X swimming? The last time the margin of victory was signficant was in 2007. In 2008 the Bombers came in second place to a great St. Charles team. In 2009, 2010 and 2011, the championship came down to the last couple of races. The margin of victory was very close.
But hey thats what makes it fun and interesting. I have never seen the university team so proud to win the d2 state title then this year when they were not looking to good going into the meet and everyone doubted they could win and in the end they squicked it out it was amazing and I was so happy to see that were able to do what everyone else doubted thats what the state meet is all about. And Mokey I was just trying to say the same. I didnt see the comedy in this years state meet.
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I agree all the way Erik. It was so great to see you swim at sectionals, districts, and state this year. I was really impressed with the way that you ended up talking to and forming a competitive friendship with two of my swimmers at the district meet this year. That carried over to you coming over and wishing them and the rest of their teammates good luck while at dinner at Bravo in Canton one evening. You did not have to do that. The fact that you did, speaks volume of the character that you have. Your family, friends, teammates, coaches, and members of Lima Shawnee High School should be very proud and honored to have such a humble, charismatic, and genuine young man in their lives.
Thank you very much you have some grrrrreeat young swimmers on your team and I don't see any reason why they can't be on the podium at the state meet next year. You guys do a good job with them and really getting them to work hard and also they all stayed very calm even if they didnt have the best swim that is very key in swimming as hard as it may be sometimes.
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Old 03-06-12, 10:35 AM
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But hey thats what makes it fun and interesting. I have never seen the university team so proud to win the d2 state title then this year when they were not looking to good going into the meet and everyone doubted they could win and in the end they squicked it out it was amazing and I was so happy to see that were able to do what everyone else doubted thats what the state meet is all about. And Mokey I was just trying to say the same. I didnt see the comedy in this years state meet.
I totally agree, there is no comedy in the margin of victory at the state meet. The remarks were arrogant and demeaning. Probably said to generate some hate towards the Bombers.

Congratulations on your success so far, and best wishes to you in your swim career. Many Bombers checking your results and wishing you the best.
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Old 03-12-12, 09:32 AM
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I totally agree, there is no comedy in the margin of victory at the state meet. The remarks were arrogant and demeaning. Probably said to generate some hate towards the Bombers.

Congratulations on your success so far, and best wishes to you in your swim career. Many Bombers checking your results and wishing you the best.
thank you very much. The swimming community has treated me very well and I enjoy no other sport more. This is a sport that can be done for a life time and it teaches you how to be a well rounded person. The things that a swimmer must deal with on the deck are very simmilair to the things an everyday person will deal with and you get to meet so many people from all over and I have yet to meet a person that I didnt enjoy talking to. Best of luck to all the bombers next season there team looks young and promising.
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