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Old 03-05-12, 09:28 AM
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As you know, I'm the longtime chairman of the "Is He a Point Guard or Not?" committee. (It's kind of like how Tip O'Neill was the Speaker of the House for all those years — you never knew how it happened, just that it was.) My verdict on Wall: He's a breathtaking athlete who has little to no idea how to run a team, lead his guys, make teammates better, ride hot hands, control the tempo of a game or do anything else that, say, Chris Paul does on a nightly basis. It's also a terrible sign that, for two straight years, Wall hasn't affected Washington's win-loss record really at all.
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When you check out the records of the first three seasons for Derrick Rose (164-82), Deron Williams (146-100), Baron Davis (139-107), Chris Paul (133-113), Steve Francis (109-137), Mike Conley (86-160), Tyreke Evans (61-141) and Mike Bibby (53-161) — all point guards drafted in the top four like Wall was — it becomes pretty clear that the early sample size DOES matter. At least a little.
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Old 03-09-12, 10:18 AM
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But the Bulls would love to have him as their backup PG.
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A pure financial decision: I'd rather pay Irving $16.1 million from 2012 through 2014 than Westbrook twice as much. Also, if you're scoring at home, I moved past the "deeply regretting ever writing that Cleveland would regret passing on Derrick Williams for Irving" stage and entered the "Maybe I didn't go far enough when I said Kyrie was Kevin Johnson 2.0" stage about three weeks ago. What a gem. Could Cleveland really end up with Kyrie Irving AND Robert Griffin III?

(Add this to the list of kooky things happening in 2012: God no longer hates Cleveland.)
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^ Until he leaves when his contract is up
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Old 03-09-12, 07:55 PM
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Simmons said preseason that Irving was going to be one of the 5 worst starting PGs in the league too
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The guy can admit he was wrong.
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Old 03-09-12, 08:34 PM
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He's a bandwagon jumper. Anyone who has a great 2 week stretch is all of a sudden the best player ever to him
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That was a slight on recently, who likes to point out he's the only one on Yappi who will admit he is wrong.
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Rubio done for the year with ACL.
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Rubio done for the year with ACL.
Thus the beginning of Minnesota's slide
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Thus the beginning of Minnesota's slide
I must be the one who missed when they were any good.
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They were definitely playoff contenders
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Jhubbs, here's that thread
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Another gem thread from me.
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Old 12-16-13, 06:22 PM
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Both are average, nothing to start a thread over for sure.
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Not the case in 2012.
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Both are average, nothing to start a thread over for sure.
Yeah I was talking the Wall/Irving debate which I guess took place on a few pages in this thread. I don't care at all about the worst shooter statistically in NBA history and Jeremy Lin
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Old 12-16-13, 06:46 PM
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The Wall/Irving debate is part of the best backcourt thread.
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Wall is the better passer, rebounder, and defender. Just as good a SCORER not shooter. Kyrie is a much much better shooter. That's it. Wall does everything else better. And he's on an exponentially worse team to boot.
Two years ago, hmmm
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Old 01-30-14, 08:44 PM
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Wall has improved but Irving is still much better. Where is Lamar Odom these days?
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Wall has improved but Irving is still much better. Where is Lamar Odom these days?
Irving is much better? How exactly? Wall improved? LOL he's doing exactly the same thing he's always been doing, really the only thing that's improved is his 3 point shot. He's regressed defensively a bit to be honest, maybe because he isn't asked to be as agressive anymore. His team has played .500 ball with him anytime he's healthy compared to Mr. Irving who's so busy dribbling the ball he can't figure out how to make his teammates better. There really is no comparison at this point who's better. One of these players is a top 5 pg this year, the other isn't top 10. Like I said when the argument first presented itself, Wall does EVERYTHING on the court better besides shoot. He does and will continue to do so. As far as the Odom quip, remember what that argument was. TALENT and POTENTIAL. Look up his pre draft scouting report, heck really any scouting report, they will all mention his potential.
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Agreed, Wall has improved somewhat, but he still lags Irving in many key advanced metrics like PER, win shares, and offensive/defensive ratings.
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Irving is much better? How exactly? Wall improved? LOL he's doing exactly the same thing he's always been doing, really the only thing that's improved is his 3 point shot. He's regressed defensively a bit to be honest, maybe because he isn't asked to be as agressive anymore. His team has played .500 ball with him anytime he's healthy compared to Mr. Irving who's so busy dribbling the ball he can't figure out how to make his teammates better. There really is no comparison at this point who's better. One of these players is a top 5 pg this year, the other isn't top 10. Like I said when the argument first presented itself, Wall does EVERYTHING on the court better besides shoot. He does and will continue to do so. As far as the Odom quip, remember what that argument was. TALENT and POTENTIAL. Look up his pre draft scouting report, heck really any scouting report, they will all mention his potential.
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Irving has definitely taken a step backwards this year as far as perception, he was inching near the top of the list of guys you would start a franchise with...Wall has improved his consistency and he ranks above Irving in some intangibles from what I've seen. Clear leader of that Wiz team and in control of everything whereas the Cavs are just a mess from every angle
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Jesus you really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Actually I do, he's shooting a hair under 33% on 3 attempts a game. The highest percentage and attempts he's taken in his career. Which would explain the small hike in his ppg. Everything else he's doing at the level he always has.
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Actually I do, he's shooting a hair under 33% on 3 attempts a game. The highest percentage and attempts he's taken in his career. Which would explain the small hike in his ppg. Everything else he's doing at the level he always has.
Not even remotely close to being true. There's a hundred other things he's doing much, much better. After what I've read though it's no surprise you think that's all he's improved on. What'd you do? Go to ESPN and see his 3 PT shooting % has gone up?
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Not even remotely close to being true. There's a hundred other things he's doing much, much better. After what I've read though it's no surprise you think that's all he's improved on. What'd you do? Go to ESPN and see his 3 PT shooting % has gone up?
No I actually, watch their games. Like every single one, much like how I watch every Laker game. Go ahead and tell me what else he's doing much much better than last year. I'll wait. Even on the shooting front, he was shooting the ball amazingly the last couple months of the year last season. He's still a very good defender as he's always been. He still is a great passer as he's always been. He rebounds better than almost every pg as he always has. Literally nothing else has substantially gotten better let alone a "hundred other". Unless you're going to sit here and argue about intangible things, which he's had since UK just was drafted on to an awful team.
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