Religion is a detrament to human society.
If you look at how many people have been killed in wars due to religious issues since the beginning of time. Whether it be the crusades, or roman conflicts with the turks, the holocaust, I think that religion as a whole has killed more people than any other catagory.
There are so many different religions and for everyone to say theres is correct almost seems arrogant. I am a so called codifacist. Codification is where you believe that no one answer to religion is correct. It is to hard to say whos right i mean lets be honest the big three religion have the same god and they still fight over a holy land. If three religions have a holy land let everyone pray there it's called respect. Religion should be a way of life not the answer to every question man cant answer like what happens when we die.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
Ahh, 3:44 AM time stamp on the original post... who amongst us hasn't questioned their religion in the middle of the night when insomnia strikes? The difference was I didn't have access to an Internet discussion board 15 years ago when I thought about it.
Religion is a detrament to human society.
If you look at how many people have been killed in wars due to religious issues since the beginning of time. Whether it be the crusades, or roman conflicts with the turks, the holocaust, I think that religion as a whole has killed more people than any other catagory.
There are so many different religions and for everyone to say theres is correct almost seems arrogant. I am a so called codifacist. Codification is where you believe that no one answer to religion is correct. It is to hard to say whos right i mean lets be honest the big three religion have the same god and they still fight over a holy land. If three religions have a holy land let everyone pray there it's called respect. Religion should be a way of life not the answer to every question man cant answer like what happens when we die.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
I don't necessarily believe in any specific "religion" but I do believe that there is a higher power out there. Whether to call it "God" or "Christ" or "Allah"- I don't really call it that. But I do believe that there is SOMETHING out there. I also don't really consider the God that is depicted in the Holy Bible to be our real God. This God that was in the Bible was committing some pretty gruesome crimes himself- he was committing genocides and murders way before any of the humans in the Bible got involved with that stuff. Either that God is not real- or he has to be the biggest hypocrite of our time for preaching to his people to not kill anyone and then going off and committing genocides on a large scale himself.
Also, I mean, look at how f'ed up our world is right now. With all of the hunger, depression, suicide, etc going on in the world. If this is the best God can do- I'm not impressed. If he is out there- he hasn't been playing much of a role on our Earth as we know it today.
Ahh, 3:44 AM time stamp on the original post... who amongst us hasn't questioned their religion in the middle of the night when insomnia strikes? The difference was I didn't have access to an Internet discussion board 15 years ago when I thought about it.
Or after a long night of drinking.
It is that time of year for the religion debate to rear its' ugly head. I think I'll sit back to watch the train wreck.
Religion is a detrament to human society.
If you look at how many people have been killed in wars due to religious issues since the beginning of time. Whether it be the crusades, or roman conflicts with the turks, the holocaust, I think that religion as a whole has killed more people than any other catagory.
There are so many different religions and for everyone to say theres is correct almost seems arrogant. I am a so called codifacist. Codification is where you believe that no one answer to religion is correct. It is to hard to say whos right i mean lets be honest the big three religion have the same god and they still fight over a holy land. If three religions have a holy land let everyone pray there it's called respect. Religion should be a way of life not the answer to every question man cant answer like what happens when we die.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
Religion has done far more good than bad. Far more. The problem, often times, is with those "in charge".
I'm curious. Is "Turpin's friend" currently and/or recently enrolled in college?
If you think it was me posting that than you are far from mistaken. For one aspect I am a Christian and don't really buy into this idea of religion. As for y friend he will be making a name rather soon so you can ask him how old he is if he wants to disclose it.
The reason this was posted was because my friend in I got into a heated discussion for around five hours about the various topics of religion. By the way none of us were drunk or taking illegal drugs. It's nothing really new many people have "preached" his views before but it is an interesting topic. He does bring up some valid points and he is not just some dumb idiot, because he atleast has researched his topic and doesn't just have some hate for God or anyone of any religion.
His goal is not to try and prove God wrong. Also after this debate we had I told him to put it on to yappi because I am tired of arguing.
Also if you think he is dumb and intelligent because of one viewpoint on a very debatable topic than you are ignorant. Just because someone has some radical views which I don't believe in I don't take it a step to think someone is a college drop out.
Religion has done far more good than bad. Far more. The problem, often times, is with those "in charge".
I agree with that statement because the overall basis of religion is not to lead you into a life of sin and evil. It is just how some people try and exploit the religion for personal gains or they go about practicing it wrong. There is nothing wrong with the overall objective of religion because it is to steer you in a direction of happiness and fullfilment. Just like following the Golden Rule as we all learned when were young.
Land and lack of resources has been the biggest motivator for wars since the beginning of time. It is not even close; Ghengis Khan killed more people than all the European religious wars put together.
this is the original poster and let me clarify a couple things yes i am enrolled in college because im sure many of you think i am a liberal who had all of his views changed by his proffesors. This isnt the case. I was religious all of my life a non denominational christian only because my parents were. But recently i have been looking into my old religion and others. The main reason i doubted my religion is just the shere similarities between so many of them. One example i'll use is in Egyptian mythology Horus was born to Osiris and Isis. Isis his mother was a virgin when she got pregnant by the sun god re. He preformed many miracles including walking on water, and resurrecting a man which when the egyptians name is translated it was lazarus. He was crucified. 3 days later resurrected up to the heavens to re. Then after his reserecction two women told the city that it happened. And mind you this is all around 2000 years before jesus was even born. This is just one example from one religion. That to me is just to coincedental to believe. Not to mention how many comparisons there are between muhammad and jesus. Im dont think the literal events arent important. It should be a way of life just guidelines to live by not the end all of every question man can have. And you dont think ghengis kahn had some religious influence when he expanded. Rome had religious issues with expansion.
Also if you think he is dumb and intelligent because of one viewpoint on a very debatable topic than you are ignorant. Just because someone has some radical views which I don't believe in I don't take it a step to think someone is a college drop out.
Religion is a detrament to human society.
If you look at how many people have been killed in wars due to religious issues since the beginning of time. Whether it be the crusades, or roman conflicts with the turks, the holocaust, I think that religion as a whole has killed more people than any other catagory.
There are so many different religions and for everyone to say theres is correct almost seems arrogant. I am a so called codifacist. Codification is where you believe that no one answer to religion is correct. It is to hard to say whos right i mean lets be honest the big three religion have the same god and they still fight over a holy land. If three religions have a holy land let everyone pray there it's called respect. Religion should be a way of life not the answer to every question man cant answer like what happens when we die.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
Yeah and societies without religion are paradises. All hail the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
If this is not Turpin then set up your own username!!!!!
Yeah and societies without religion are paradises. All hail the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
There are numerous writings about Hitler's faith or lack thereof. It is well known that Hitler was raised Catholic.
Here is a quote from his own autobiography - "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
There are numerous writings about Hitler's faith or lack thereof. It is well known that Hitler was raised Catholic.
Here is a quote from his own autobiography - "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
Yeah, Hitler was into will, but it wasn't the divine will; it was his own will which was sickened with disease
There are numerous writings about Hitler's faith or lack thereof. It is well known that Hitler was raised Catholic.
Here is a quote from his own autobiography - "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
Hitler was raised Catholic, but he hardly ever attended Mass and did the Sacraments. His beliefs were conflicting, and he had a tendency to place himself/Nazi Germany above God. He did have the wrong idea that killing the Jews was doing God's work.
The Soviet Union is a prime example of the horror of a religious-less society. The Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Cuban Communists, the Korean Communists, and Communists in general have used horrific ways to try and exterminate religion. I'm sure you wouldn't want me to judge atheists/agnostics like this as a whole like atheists/agnostics tend to judge any religion.
Hitler was raised Catholic, but he hardly ever attended Mass and did the Sacraments. His beliefs were conflicting, and he had a tendency to place himself/Nazi Germany above God. He did have the wrong idea that killing the Jews was doing God's work.
The Soviet Union is a prime example of the horror of a religious-less society. The Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Cuban Communists, the Korean Communists, and Communists in general have used horrific ways to try and exterminate religion. I'm sure you wouldn't want me to judge atheists/agnostics like this as a whole like atheists/agnostics tend to judge any religion.
Just because they lacked religion as you know it doesn't mean they weren't all following what was essentially a religious-like dogma.
There are numerous writings about Hitler's faith or lack thereof. It is well known that Hitler was raised Catholic.
Here is a quote from his own autobiography - "The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf
Hitler's autobiography, for those who don't know, was more a work of political propaganda than anything else, much less a kind of confessional about Hitler's religious beliefs. Whenever Hitler professed a belief in Christianity, it was to get ahead politically or to not offend supporters of the Nazi Party from Bavaria (which was large Catholic and conservative and home to the Nazi Party). Thinking logically about it, can anyone explain to me how Adolf Hitler could possibly have been an adherent of a religion where a Jewish man that was born to a Jewish woman and the Jewish God Yahweh died for all of mankind's sins while simultaneously believing that the Germans were descendants of a race of blonde haired, blue eyed Aryan supermen whose bloodlines were contaminated by brown haired brown eyed Jewish untermenschen (sub-humans) and that all Jewish untermenschen had to die so that they could stop polluting the Aryan gene pool and allow the Aryan race to return to its rightful place as the most-revered, superior race? Because they seem to be mutually exclusive belief systems to me and anyone familiar with WWII history knows, by dint of Hitler's success at killing 6 million Jews, that he clearly believed the second belief. Reconcile the first belief with the second belief while finding a way to discount all of Hitler's anti-Christian comments from Hitler's Table Talk (his private discussions as recorded by Martin Bormann, his personal secretary) particularly the parts about how Christianity must be snuffed out in the Third Reich after the war because it is a descendant of Judaism and I will consider the notion that Hitler could have been a Christian.
Otherwise, relinquish Hitler as an example for the "See? Christianity kills people" argument. Believe me, there were plenty of bad people that truly believed in Christianity for you to find examples of Christians behaving badly that you don't have to try to stretch Hitler into something he wasn't because he most certainly was not in any sense or form a Christian from the time he became Chancellor of Germany until his death.
Ahh, 3:44 AM time stamp on the original post... who amongst us hasn't questioned their religion in the middle of the night when insomnia strikes? The difference was I didn't have access to an Internet discussion board 15 years ago when I thought about it.
Reminds me of the old joke:
What is the definition of a dislexic agnostic with insomnia?
Answer: A person who lays awake at night wondering if there is a Dog.
Religion is a detrament to human society.
If you look at how many people have been killed in wars due to religious issues since the beginning of time. Whether it be the crusades, or roman conflicts with the turks, the holocaust, I think that religion as a whole has killed more people than any other catagory.
There are so many different religions and for everyone to say theres is correct almost seems arrogant. I am a so called codifacist. Codification is where you believe that no one answer to religion is correct. It is to hard to say whos right i mean lets be honest the big three religion have the same god and they still fight over a holy land. If three religions have a holy land let everyone pray there it's called respect. Religion should be a way of life not the answer to every question man cant answer like what happens when we die.
----------This is not the user Turpin, this is his friend and all views expressed are that of his friend. He is not affiliated with any of these thoughts.
Hmmm you might find this interesting. I am a non-cognitivist but I am not sure whether religion has done more harm than good.
I do not think you can quantify either position and "prove" it.
I think it simply can be said Many horrors have been done in the name of religion and many benefits have also arisen from religion.
To each his own is my motto.
Here in a nutshell is the argument from non-cognitivism.
The argument itself (as will be presented in this article) may be generally formalized as follows2:
1.There are three attributes of existants which concern us particularly, these being:
A.Primary Attributes
B.Secondary Attributes
C.Relational Attributes.
2.B as well as C are dependent upon and must be related to an existant’s A in order to be considered meaningful.
3.The term “God” lacks a positively identified A.
4.Because of this, the term “God” holds no justified A, B, or C. (From 2)
5.However, an attribute-less term (a term lacking A, B, and C) is meaningless.
6.Therefore, the term “God” is meaningless. (From 3, 4, 5)
7.Therefore, the god-concept is invalid.
Until someone comes up with a complete ontology of this god concept I have no idea what they are even talking about it is incoherent.
I won't even attempt to approach Gorgia's argument, as it attempts to apply some kind of convoluted logical argument to what is an issue of faith---and as an engineer, I can tell you that having faith doesn't always make sense.
I know, the atheists base their arguments on the premise shown above, while the Christian's wil tell you they base their arguments on a promise from above.
Paul defined it thusly
'faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen'
We can't 'understand' God, if He is really what Christian's beleive Him to be....he is too immense and powerful for us to define His existence, we must either accept it thru faith, or try to reason it away.
God, by definition, is infinite----and I know from my college days that when any mathematical function approaches infinity, all the natural laws as we understand them fall apart---the same would be true of the God described in the Bible. We, as humans, are incapable of understanding Him---if he were small enough for me to understand, I, for one, wouldn't want to have to depend on Him...........personally, I want a God too big for me to be able to totally understand.
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