I think they will do ok. And then Moeller will come calling, um, I mean, literature may appear at their place of residence.
Besides that, good luck to those kids. Because we all know that when they get to high school, and if they stay, they will amount to nothing as their staff could not coach someone out of a wet paperbag.
I think gunner lay and jacob paul will win championships
I think Lay will win it.
I don't think Paul has much of a chance to win 102 though you never know what can happen.
He would have to get thru Heil then McHugh then McClay to even get to the finals. He may have a shot at placing.
Lineguy,
That is rather bold of you to say that. From what I saw from Loveland this year I think it's more on the wrestlers than the coaching staff. Conditioning is a big problem with that team. Elite Wrestlers know that you HAVE to run and work out outside of the practice room. Those who don't put in the extra effort will fall short of their goals as history has shown. Although, there are those gifted enough that don't need to put in that extra effort. I can assure you this though, things will definately be going forward with that program. Their junior high team has held their ground very well as one of the top 3-4 teams in the area for 3-4 years now. Lets try to stay positive, Good Luck at state everyone.
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink it."
I think it is more a statement of fact than a bold statement. You hear on here all the time about Loveland Jr. Hi being this and that. Where are those kids going when they get to high school? Because if they are staying at Loveland, it is really not showing.
You are right about the elite kids taking control of things, but a coach needs to drop those things into their ears.
Discipline, behavior and dedication are the bigger issues.
I believe there was some non-handshaking, headgear throwing and chair kicking at Districts. That after the previous incidents this year with kids being disqualified.
Hopefully they can get things under control. It could be the black and orange tiger syndrome. The Bengals had more players arrested than they had wins and Loveland had more kids DQ'd than they have going to state.
Lineguy, Splay Tell
Lineguy-" You hear on here all the time about Loveland Jr. Hi being this and that. Where are those kids going when they get to high school? Because if they are staying at Loveland, it is really not showing. "
- Okay, as of right now no, Loveland has not showed what they are capable of. One of the best things on their favor is youth. They are still a very young squad, they lost Pickle to graduation and other than that they return everyone and bring up some 8th graders that can help out the lighter weights. They have a nice group of kids wrestling for JV as freshman and sophomores. Then the 7th graders going to be 8th graders are phenominal.
It's the nature of the sport. I can recall my middle school years I was thankful to be apart of a great team. We were able to win just about every tournament we went to Coaches, Fairfield, Harrison, Mason and won em all. We had some great wrestlers, sadly enough by the time I graduated we had me and my drill partner remaining on the team. Sometimes thats the way it happens and I hope that this doesn't occur for Loveland.
-Splay, "I believe there was some non-handshaking, headgear throwing and chair kicking at Districts. That after the previous incidents this year with kids being disqualified." - Ya it's districts, I saw many head gears thrown and many kids losing it after their seasons ended. It's not fair to say kidS, keyword KID and make assumptions that the school allows that type of behavior. So tell me what does that say about a person who fails to show up for their 5th and 6th place match/ or doesn't show up to the awards podium? It all is bad sportmanship. And yes, there is no reason for it in the sport. What I want to try to portray is that it's everywhere, but when you go intentionally looking for something, your bound to find something.
Homegrown, nicely said about the lack of sportmanship shown by many this past weekend. It is tough. I do believe that sportsmanship is very important and something that needs to be addressed starting with the coaches. I do not and will not ever like it when a kid does not show up to wrestle that 5-6 place match. Why not do it? Crazy things happen all the time, you win, you could be wrestling. Not too long ago a kid named Taylor from Harrison finished 5th at Districts, was able to wrestle because of a skin issue and finished 4th......
I think Loveland will be OK, they were a young team, faced some injuries (Brown, Koth), some discipline issues that I think will be resolved. The future is bright, but I agree that the better kids need to work hard in the off-season. I know that their coach encourages off-season, doesn't he run a club team? The JRH team is very good, but aren't most of them 7th graders. The do return almost everyone from last this year's team. They should be able to compete. However, what bothers me the most is a few posters seem focused on one KID who has made some poor decisions. I don't it is fair to paint the whole program b/c of the actions of one individual. I saw plenty of poor sportsmanship this weekend at districts. How about the 140 final action, I don't see people calling out the whole Harrison team!
Good point FAVC. I am not so sure if those posters are focusing on that one wrestler or a series of wrestlers that have gone through the program in the past (don't ask for names because I stink with names).
All right Loveland fans, help me go off topic and remember a blast from my past.
When I was a sophomore, wrestling in the districts at Hara Arena, I drew a kid from Loveland that I believe was a returning state champ? Scott Hansen? Steve Hansen? maybe it was Hanseon? Anyway...everyone told me before I went out...stay away from his 3/4 nelson. I made it through the first period, ended up down to start the second, and BAM I got cranked stuffed and pinned before I had a chance to "counter" it! What was that guys name, and what ever happened for him?
As the kids get older there is a constant push to let the coaches do the coaching etc and this in turn Brainwashes everyone including the kids themselves into thinking everything that is done in the wrestling room with the coaches is enough and a lot of the extra work that kids do outside of the wrestling room that is usually orchestrated by the dads or whoever is not nessesary,this leads to failure and the changing of the guard so to speak when those being coached with more"enthusiasm"by the coaches are allowed to learn and grow as wrestlers and those who simply let the coaches handle everything and lay off the training outside the room fall to the wayside .
If something ain't broke don't fix it and if a repair man says its broke when it is running fine fire his sorry @$$ ,
Thats not saying do not constantly try to improve but try to improve while holding on to all the things that have helped make someone better in the past.
If Lovelands team does so well at a youth and jr high level then falls apart at the High school level then maybe all they need to do is go back to what made them succesful in the first place .
As the kids get older there is a constant push to let the coaches do the coaching etc and this in turn Brainwashes everyone including the kids themselves into thinking everything that is done in the wrestling room with the coaches is enough and a lot of the extra work that kids do outside of the wrestling room that is usually orchestrated by the dads or whoever is not nessesary,this leads to failure and the changing of the guard so to speak when those being coached with more"enthusiasm"by the coaches are allowed to learn and grow as wrestlers and those who simply let the coaches handle everything and lay off the training outside the room fall to the wayside .
If something ain't broke don't fix it and if a repair man says its broke when it is running fine fire his sorry @$$ ,
Thats not saying do not constantly try to improve but try to improve while holding on to all the things that have helped make someone better in the past.
If Lovelands team does so well at a youth and jr high level then falls apart at the High school level then maybe all they need to do is go back to what made them succesful in the first place .
the JRH program has only been successful for the last two seasons, that means the Freshman class has just got to the HS. Give it some time, and things will be working great. I see the Loveland Coaches, especially the Varsity and Head Youth Coaches taking kids to Spring Wrestling, taking kids to camps, and running their club team together. As for the youth program being so dominate for all those years, most of the kids that made it successful did not go to Loveland.... ie Greshem, S, Jones, Macinter (Sp), etc.... etc. However, I do know that most of the kids there now, are Loveland kids. Give it some time, that program is going to take off. Loveland returns 12 starters next year, will get back to another DQ from injury, and get back their HVY. I think next year will be an important measure of where this team is going. However, I hope the coaching staff can take a firm stance with a couple of the trouble makers. My guess is they are going shake some things up and lay the hammer down!
Not exactly,Perhaps the high school wrestlers need only be as dedicated as the youth and jr high wrestlers and the parents who want their kids to stay on top of the game should be sure they are doing everything they can in order for their kids to stay there as well,Summer wrestling ,camps, training etc whatever it takes .from what i have heard some simple conditioning outside the wrestling room may be the answer either way good luck to loveland in the future youth and high school they are class acts despite a dq or two .
Lineguy, Splay Tell
Lineguy-" You hear on here all the time about Loveland Jr. Hi being this and that. Where are those kids going when they get to high school? Because if they are staying at Loveland, it is really not showing. "
- Okay, as of right now no, Loveland has not showed what they are capable of. One of the best things on their favor is youth. They are still a very young squad, they lost Pickle to graduation and other than that they return everyone and bring up some 8th graders that can help out the lighter weights. They have a nice group of kids wrestling for JV as freshman and sophomores. Then the 7th graders going to be 8th graders are phenominal.
It's the nature of the sport. I can recall my middle school years I was thankful to be apart of a great team. We were able to win just about every tournament we went to Coaches, Fairfield, Harrison, Mason and won em all. We had some great wrestlers, sadly enough by the time I graduated we had me and my drill partner remaining on the team. Sometimes thats the way it happens and I hope that this doesn't occur for Loveland.
-Splay, "I believe there was some non-handshaking, headgear throwing and chair kicking at Districts. That after the previous incidents this year with kids being disqualified." - Ya it's districts, I saw many head gears thrown and many kids losing it after their seasons ended. It's not fair to say kidS, keyword KID and make assumptions that the school allows that type of behavior. So tell me what does that say about a person who fails to show up for their 5th and 6th place match/ or doesn't show up to the awards podium? It all is bad sportmanship. And yes, there is no reason for it in the sport. What I want to try to portray is that it's everywhere, but when you go intentionally looking for something, your bound to find something.
Loveland has never beaten Mason at Mason in their tourney!
Steve Hansen State Champ 1979, 145 pounds AA division. Miami University Grad,today teaching at Vermillion High School. He was a coach and ref years ago.
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All right Loveland fans, help me go off topic and remember a blast from my past.
When I was a sophomore, wrestling in the districts at Hara Arena, I drew a kid from Loveland that I believe was a returning state champ? Scott Hansen? Steve Hansen? maybe it was Hanseon? Anyway...everyone told me before I went out...stay away from his 3/4 nelson. I made it through the first period, ended up down to start the second, and BAM I got cranked stuffed and pinned before I had a chance to "counter" it! What was that guys name, and what ever happened for him?
Steve Hansen State Champ 1979, 145 pounds AA division. Miami University Grad,today teaching at Vermillion High School. He was a coach and ref years ago.
Parents Loveland Grads, he will be at Loveland through 2014 is what I hear from family and wrestler.
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