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Based on what we knew, Division I will either be split in half, or a percentage of the top enrollments.
This is a pre-emptive strike by the OHSAA, in advance of the competitive balance vote, which I predict will now be approved.
I actually would be more in favor of this than the other formulas. But this is from my perspective only. As a Mentor fan, I know we will be in the highest division no matter what. I know any competitive balance thing that goes into effect will only make D1 tougher. I am more concerned with the lower enrollment D1's from around here like Willoughby South, Riverside and Mayfield. I want those teams to have an actual shot to win a state title. Right now they have no shot.
the top 72 teams (by enrollment) go to the new division 1 (whatever they want to call it)
the rest of the teams get re-distributed evenly into the remaining six divisions. since those were roughly 120 per before, these would be about 108 per. If my math is right, d6 would lose the top 12 teams (by enrollment) to d5, d5 loses the top 24, d4 36, d3 48, d2 60, and d1 72. Please correct that if I'm reading it wrong. If true it will really change things the higher up the division ladder you go.
This will then be altered if the competitive balance issue passes.
I actually would be more in favor of this than the other formulas. But this is from my perspective only. As a Mentor fan, I know we will be in the highest division no matter what. I know any competitive balance thing that goes into effect will only make D1 tougher. I am more concerned with the lower enrollment D1's from around here like Willoughby South, Riverside and Mayfield. I want those teams to have an actual shot to win a state title. Right now they have no shot.
I actually agree that something needs to be done. I am an X supporter, so no matter what happens, I know X will always be in the most competitve division (large school, private school, lots of recent success - whatever measurement you want to use, we are going to wind up being in the top division) so my only interest in changing how things are done is that is provide more "fairness" however you want to define that.
I DON'T like the idea of expanding the number of division. Nor do I like the idea of a public-private split. But re-ordering D1 and D6 (where the differentials in enrollment are the most extreme) would be the most "fair IMO. The OHSAA needs to abandon the idea that all of the divisions must have roughly the same number of teams in each division in order to be "fair". The distribution of the number of teams looks like a bell curve - not a flat line. Make the divisions reflect that reality.
I DON'T like the idea of expanding the number of division. Nor do I like the idea of a public-private split. But re-ordering D1 and D6 (where the differentials in enrollment are the most extreme) would be the most "fair IMO. The OHSAA needs to abandon the idea that all of the divisions must have roughly the same number of teams in each division in order to be "fair". The distribution of the number of teams looks like a bell curve - not a flat line. Make the divisions reflect that reality.
Now here's your trophy, and your trophy and you get a trophy and oh by the way don't forget the little whiny arse in the corner, he gets a trophy too.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
If you build it they will come!
1. Socialism claim can only be made if one assumes that everyone has a fair shot so this comparison is off. These programs in higher D1 plays by different rules. Mentor and Strongsville have double the allotment of boys to choose from in a closed district. The privates can draw from 5-6 counties and Iggy/X have double the enrollment on top of that. The schools with 500 something boys in a closed enrollment have no shot to compete.
2. The MAC plays D5 and D6 football. Not quite the same situation as playing the huge publics and power privates in D1. Yes they can win titles over the privates down there at times. But the disparities are not the same as they are in D1.
3. Your examples aren't really valid. Hilliard has a very big school district. And I believe that those kids could choose which school in the district to attend. They have the opportunity to win and they built the program to do so. These smaller closed enrollment publics don't have those resources to win.
4. The hard work bs is tiring on here. Has nothing to do with bad coaching and not trying with a lot of these schools. It has to do with not having the resources/enrollment to compete. Also it is laughable to bring up Ignatius in this and act like those schools can strive to be at that level. Ignatius has over 1000 boys in their enrollment and draw from 5-6 counties on top of that. How the hell is that the same as having 500 something boys in one school district to choose from?
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
That's a completely inaccurate representation of the MAC's success. If you want to analogize the MAC with D1, then you would have the MAC schools competing in D2. The results might be a bit different in that case, eh?
That's a completely inaccurate representation of the MAC's success. If you want to analogize the MAC with D1, then you would have the MAC schools competing in D2. The results might be a bit different in that case, eh?
Not as different as the juiceboxers would think. The Coldwater teams that beat Mooney would have worn out those years' D2 champs. Worn them out.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
It has nothing to do with who I root for. This is socialisim at it's best. Instead of rewarding the hard work to be a winner we continue to strive toward the "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. In SWO we have the MAC to show that "open enrollment" and "private" school has nothing to do with how to be a successful football program.
The bottomline is if you build it they will come. Look at what Hilliard has done because they made a commitment to be a top notch program. Look at Princeton during the Coach Mancuso days, and Colerain now but mostly under Coach Coombs. Even Moeller isn't as dominant as it once was because they no longer have a coach like Coach Faust. St. Ignatius is where they still are because of the consistency of having the same coach and program for so many years.
You may have a few isolated programs like Youngstown Ursuline and Mooney that have been dominant in their areas for years, but so has The Big Red from Stuebenville.
It's the continued softening of America and the whiny jerks who want everything made easy instead of working hard to reap the fruits of the labor.
In the MAC we all witness small town football at it's best where teams of young men bust their backsides in the off season and the coaches work them hard on technique.
While some moron is whining about not having a fair chance there is someone else working harder and longer in the weight room and on the field making themself better.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
Well I don't know this for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that Wayne High School is an open enrollment school and is not private.
It seems a lot of people are getting bent all out of shape over what really amounts to a small change in the Divisions. I doubt anyone will actually notice much change in 2013. This isn't the first time a divisional splits have change and I'm certain it won't be the last. Relax, you'll get used to it.
It seems a lot of people are getting bent all out of shape over what really amounts to a small change in the Divisions. I doubt anyone will actually notice much change in 2013. This isn't the first time a divisional splits have change and I'm certain it won't be the last. Relax, you'll get used to it.
Well, many complained before, and as I already said they would, many are still complaining after. Once Ohio gets their way, they have to find something else to complain about.
Ya know what? The same teams will be in the divisional finals or the biggest D2 teams (From D1) will take over in D2 and there will be more complaining how the divisions were restructured and now all the big D2 teams are always winning.
It isn't right that closed enrollment publics with 500 something kids have to compete against privates like Ignatius/Eds/X/Moeller and publics that are big like Mentor and Strongsville. It is easy to dismiss this because you are a fan of a school that picks its students from a wide area. There is no way these small closed enrollment publics can compete. The only teams with small enrollment that can win in D1 are the ones who draw from a wide area like Glenville.
Will be interesting to see the Big Ten adopt the same rules, so Indiana and Purdue get their share of Big Ten Titles.
The best athletes will always want to go to the best schools for their particular sport. Or maybe we should dismantle Iowa and Penn State for wrestling excellence too.
Will be interesting to see the Big Ten adopt the same rules, so Indiana and Purdue get their share of Big Ten Titles.
The best athletes will always want to go to the best schools for their particular sport. Or maybe we should dismantle Iowa and Penn State for wrestling excellence too.
The Big 10 teams all play by the same rules. They all have the same allotment of scholarships to hand out. They share revenue on an equal share basis in the Big 10. The schools all have 25,000 + students so enrollment isn't really relevant either.
Plus college football is a big business nationally. High school is supposed to be amateur. Stupid to compare those 2 levels of football. Apples and oranges there.
The Big 10 teams all play by the same rules. They all have the same allotment of scholarships to hand out. They share revenue on an equal share basis in the Big 10. The schools all have 25,000 + students so enrollment isn't really relevant either.
Plus college football is a big business nationally. High school is supposed to be amateur. Stupid to compare those 2 levels of football. Apples and oranges there.
IMHO...Not really true...OHSAA is about money...maybe less money, but about Money none the less. When they changed from three divisions...it was a $750,000 windfall. I bet at least another $250,000 hits the books this time.
Woody Hayes said when TV (money) controls football...that will be the downfall...he is mostly right.
ESPN is adding HS games all the time...brilliant move as there are basically no governing bodies or rights fees to pay. When we are on ESPN or FOX...word is we get a $1000 bucks. When MAC College is on..they get a very nice payday (I am told upwards of $75-100K) and HS is getting as good or higher ratings. The OHSAA will figure this out and govern the rights fees, or at least they should. It is pure exploitation, but those involved say "it for the kids"...or my favorite, "exposure".
Meanwhile...pay to play is taking over. Go Figure.
The Big 10 teams all play by the same rules. They all have the same allotment of scholarships to hand out. They share revenue on an equal share basis in the Big 10. The schools all have 25,000 + students so enrollment isn't really relevant either.
Plus college football is a big business nationally. High school is supposed to be amateur. Stupid to compare those 2 levels of football. Apples and oranges there.
Public schools have been and will be great.
To name a few.....Massillon, McKinley, Coldwater,.....all multiple state title winners. (I have missed a lot and feel free to add........to that list).
Then there are many "great programs" who are just a step away......Glenville...and many others. Trotwood Madison broke thru recently....(please add to this list).
Greatness can be achieved, when excuses leave the mind of leaders and educators.
Did Moedude delete his response to me? 
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