UC: Luxurious College Campus

[jnewyouth]

For all of you who haven't stepped foot on Cincinnati's campus in the past few years, here is what we all have been talking about.

Forbes magazine included UC as one of its 11 Luxurious College Campuses.

Link. (http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/08/college-architecture-marketing-ent-sales-cx_mf_0908iconic_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000)

Another interesting part of this article is that they include 2 Ohio schools (UC and Kenyon College) and 2 Big East schools (UC and Rutgers).

[NorrisHopper30]

The Rec Center at UC is amazing and is easily my favorite building at UC.

[MoeDude]

My son and I were roaming the campus yesterday, in particular the Tangeman University Center and the book store there. It's been awhile since I've been around the campus. It was fun to see all the changes. It is very impressive. My son was enjoying the walk around as well.

[Termite2]

While some of you see luxurious facilities; all I see are tuition increases.

[cincysportsman]

The campus is amazing. I wish I went to school there when it was like that. And now you can step off campus and not get shot. You get about a two block window now : ). But nipp has a great playing surface as do all the facilities. The stands leave something to be desired but you have to respect the histoy of the shoe and nipp. the baseball field is also outstanding.

[seahawks4life]

you apparently have yahoo as a home pagetoo.lol

[AccordingToMe]

And now you can step off campus and not get shot.

Uh, wasn't there actually a shooting ON campus just last summer? Yeah, if anything it's gotten worse.

[Ballgame75]

the camopus buildings have gotten a lot nicer, unfortunately where the school is still the ghetto and very dangerous. I advised my nephew to highly rethink his decision on schools

[psax889906]

the camopus buildings have gotten a lot nicer, unfortunately where the school is still the ghetto and very dangerous. I advised my nephew to highly rethink his decision on schools

The school itself is quite safe... when you stray from the direct part of campus is when you get in trouble... I don't attend the University but have spent a decent amount of time there during the day and at night... never with large groups... usually with one or two other people... we have walked much of the campus at night and never felt threatened or frightened... but your point is received... the next thing the university needs to do is create outreach programs and do whatever is in their power (not sure what exactly that would be, if anything) to clean that area up some...

[Jhubbs77]

There are a lot of schools that have less than stellar areas surrounding the campus. The Fort Sanders district right next to the University of Tennessee is absolutely horrible

[cincysportsman]

There are a lot of schools that have less than stellar areas surrounding the campus. The Fort Sanders district right next to the University of Tennessee is absolutely horrible

Yeah and for all the people who think X is perfect go ahead and step off the campus in to good ol' Evanston.

Memphis is bad
Dayton is not that great

those are a few ive seen.

[recently]

Durham, right outside of Duke's campus is horrible too actually.

[psax889906]

Durham, right outside of Duke's campus is horrible too actually.

That surprises me... not that I ever knew ANYTHING about the area... but with the reputation of the school you just assume things...

[Ballgame75]

The school itself is quite safe... when you stray from the direct part of campus is when you get in trouble... I don't attend the University but have spent a decent amount of time there during the day and at night... never with large groups... usually with one or two other people... we have walked much of the campus at night and never felt threatened or frightened... but your point is received... the next thing the university needs to do is create outreach programs and do whatever is in their power (not sure what exactly that would be, if anything) to clean that area up some...

I agree stay on campus and you are good. But we all know college kids are going to venture. I lived on gilbert for 3 years short vine has cleaned up a bit. But one maybe two blocks any direction and its very dangerous. I do agree that can be said for many schools.

[bearcatfan]

I used to live 2 blocks from campus on Bishop Street and my house got broken into 3 different times and my car was broken into once. That was only 3 years ago. I would like to think it has gotten better but I doubt it.

[bearcatfan]

For all of you who haven't stepped foot on Cincinnati's campus in the past few years, here is what we all have been talking about.

Forbes magazine included UC as one of its 11 Luxurious College Campuses.

Link. (http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/08/college-architecture-marketing-ent-sales-cx_mf_0908iconic_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000)

Another interesting part of this article is that they include 2 Ohio schools (UC and Kenyon College) and 2 Big East schools (UC and Rutgers).

By the way I read through the article and didn't really see where UC was listed as "one of Forbes 11 Luxurious College Campuses". The article was just about how colleges have pumped craploads of money into designing buildings and whatnot around campus.

From what I gathered from that, the slideshow there was just "11 pictures of luxurious college campuses", not "pictures of the 11 most luxurious college campuses" as you made it out to be with your post.

[jnewyouth]

By the way I read through the article and didn't really see where UC was listed as "one of Forbes 11 Luxurious College Campuses". The article was just about how colleges have pumped craploads of money into designing buildings and whatnot around campus.

From what I gathered from that, the slideshow there was just "11 pictures of luxurious college campuses", not "pictures of the 11 most luxurious college campuses" as you made it out to be with your post.Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said most.
There were 11 college campuses mentioned in the article/slideshow, and UC was one of them.
I carefully worded my post to make sure it was a fair representation of the article.

[jnewyouth]

As far as the safety of the campus and community goes, I will take UC over Xavier any day.

I went to UC for undergrad and XU for grad school and have to say that the Clifton/Corryville communities are much safer and offer many more dining, entertainment, housing, and shopping options than the Evanston/Norwood/Avondale communities. Xavier's community is less safe and doesn't have any nightlife or dining options. In fact, LaRosa's wouldn't even deliver to my apartment on Dana Avenue. I never had a problem getting a pizza at UC.

[Buck1974]

For all of you who haven't stepped foot on Cincinnati's campus in the past few years, here is what we all have been talking about.

Forbes magazine included UC as one of its 11 Luxurious College Campuses.

Link. (http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/08/college-architecture-marketing-ent-sales-cx_mf_0908iconic_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000)

Another interesting part of this article is that they include 2 Ohio schools (UC and Kenyon College) and 2 Big East schools (UC and Rutgers).

You can pretty much ignore most Forbes or US News rankings, they are a complete joke for the most part. I am sure UC is nice, I am not putting down UC at all, I am just making a comment about some of these sources that rank everything.

[AccordingToMe]

I used to live 2 blocks from campus on Bishop Street and my house got broken into 3 different times and my car was broken into once. That was only 3 years ago. I would like to think it has gotten better but I doubt it.

Three of my friends' cars have been broken into in Clifton in the last 4 months! I think two of them were victims of the whole "buy-American-cars" thing.

[bearcatfan]

Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said most.
There were 11 college campuses mentioned in the article/slideshow, and UC was one of them.
I carefully worded my post to make sure it was a fair representation of the article.

I didn't put words in your mouth, son. Learn how to read.

[eastisbest]

By the way I read through the article and didn't really see where UC was listed as "one of Forbes 11 Luxurious College Campuses". The article was just about how colleges have pumped craploads of money into designing buildings and whatnot around campus.

From what I gathered from that, the slideshow there was just "11 pictures of luxurious college campuses", not "pictures of the 11 most luxurious college campuses" as you made it out to be with your post.

Referee :)

Title of link: "In Pictures: 11 Luxurious College Campuses"
Title of thread: "UC: Luxurious College Campus."

You added the word "most" so I'd say you did indeed put "words" into OPs mouth. OP wrote only "Forbes magazine included UC as one of its 11 Luxurious College Campuses," which they did exactly that and you got demeaning by adding the word "son."

Now apologize you bully. ;)

Where's that stir-the-pot smiley? heh.

People will have peeing contests over anything, sheesh.

Anyhow, the article did make reference to Cinci having a "Gehry" so that would be considered "luxurious" by architectual standards if not tastes.

Safety's an issue everywhere. BG makes the news for crime on or around campus and they're in a small town surrounded by fields. Can't put a steel diaper on the kids, they have to have sense no matter where they go.

Money's into Ohio campus design generally benefit Ohio firms, making them competitive. It's a new generation headed to school, they're not interested in living in space capsules, which were sufficient for my generation. It takes them 6 or 7 years to get through college, they need something more homelike. lol

[Just Win Baby]

FWIW: no one reads Forbes anymore. Its publication circulation has gone from 2 million down to 600 thousand in less than 2 years. It will be down to 300k by the end of 2010 with the USPS standards they are releasing on pubs.

[Card Scout]

Yes, the surrounding neighborhoods around UC are not that great but I have seen many that are worse.
Yale - New Haven, CT
Duke- Durham
Maryland - PG County
Marquette
And USC to name a few.......

[cincysportsman]

As far as the safety of the campus and community goes, I will take UC over Xavier any day.

I went to UC for undergrad and XU for grad school and have to say that the Clifton/Corryville communities are much safer and offer many more dining, entertainment, housing, and shopping options than the Evanston/Norwood/Avondale communities. Xavier's community is less safe and doesn't have any nightlife or dining options. In fact, LaRosa's wouldn't even deliver to my apartment on Dana Avenue. I never had a problem getting a pizza at UC.


Norwood is not bad at all. Not everything everyone says is always right. I'm not saying its perfect here but we average about a person being killed about every three years so I would take my chances. But if I was to go off campus of X in another direction it would be like saying hey shoot me.

[RHSfootball05]

UC is more luxurious now that Nancy Z is gone.

[crusader04]

the rec center is VERY nice, as is much of UC's campus.

safety is an issue at every urban campus. i've always thought the neighborhoods around osu were worse than those around uc. what many people consider one of the nicer urban colleges in the nation is usc which is located in compton! all things considered the neighborhoods around uc arent bad.

bearcatfan, i had some friends live on bishop at that same time and they never had any problems. what made you such an easy target?

[AccordingToMe]

i've always thought the neighborhoods around osu were worse than those around uc.

You're incredibly stupid if you think that.

[crusader04]

im just going by what several of my friends who went to both schools have told me. i guess listening to the opinions of people who have actually experienced living both places would be incredibly stupid.

[AccordingToMe]

im just going by what several of my friends who went to both schools have told me. i guess listening to the opinions of people who have actually experienced living both places would be incredibly stupid.

I lived in Cincinnati my whole life and have attended OSU for two years now. Yep, I wouldn't know. :rolleyes: It's not even close.

[Best in the West]

UC is more luxurious now that Nancy Z is gone.

:laugh:

The Rec Center is very nice if you have ever had a chance to stop in there. I don't know that I would ever deem the campus luxurious. Unless of course you are into walking up steps. Nancy threw some makeup on the place, but it is still a virtual dead zone on weekends unless there is a game or other big event.

[gottahavhart]

The campus look's better now then it did 10 years ago, especially when walking between the Rec Center, Steger Center and TUC...

I have had no problems being on campus late at night or in the surrounding neighborhoods but have seen the stories in the news but what college hasn't had these types of problems. It happens everywhere and the colleges have programs to help those out who want to learn self-defense or what to do in those situations. Will they work, who knows...

[recently]

I've been at UC for three years now and have not felt unsafe at all. I love it here.

[recently]

You're incredibly stupid if you think that.

Why? I've been to OSU's surrounding neighborhoods and I don't think they are any better than UC's. I'd say they are about the same actually. Just my opinion, and I don't think it makes me stupid.

[Best in the West]

The campus look's better now then it did 10 years ago, especially when walking between the Rec Center, Steger Center and TUC...

I have had no problems being on campus late at night or in the surrounding neighborhoods but have seen the stories in the news but what college hasn't had these types of problems. It happens everywhere and the colleges have programs to help those out who want to learn self-defense or what to do in those situations. Will they work, who knows...

I've never had any problems on or off campus either. I think it's more perception and preconceived notions than anything else. More visible security would help the perception more than some of the mainly cosmetic changes that have been going on there.

I would have liked to see the changes that are going on at UC enhance some of the more historical/traditional architecture as opposed to going for the more modern look, but that could just be me. :shrug:

[NorrisHopper30]

I've been at UC for three years now and have not felt unsafe at all. I love it here.

I'm only a freshman but I've never felt unsafe and I've walked to the Kroger (aka Kroghetto) on Calhoun and other places off campus many times and have never felt threatened.

[footballnum1]

A lot of schoos aren't gonna be in the best area because most are in the city. Here's all the schools I've been to with akron being the most as I currently go there:

Akron-not real good at all but have never felt unsafe at night or day
Kent state-not to bad but not great either
Toledo-honestly imo this is one of the worse I been to
Cincy-its a little worse than akron but not too dangerous
Youngstown state-might get shot a few blocks from the university
Miami-in the middle of no where so pretty safe
Ohio u-same as miami

[AccordingToMe]

Why? I've been to OSU's surrounding neighborhoods and I don't think they are any better than UC's. I'd say they are about the same actually. Just my opinion, and I don't think it makes me stupid.

The difference is OSU's surrounding neighborhoods are basically completely seperate from the blocks that students live in. In Clifton it's a completely different story. The students are scattered among everything in Clifton. And yes, it does make you stupid. If you lived here you would realize the only reason you would ever say UC's campus is safer than OSU's is because you just want it to be true. It's not.

[jnewyouth]

This thread is getting way off topic but I have to add some facts to the current debate.

According the the US Department of Education, in 2007 Ohio State reported 400 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property. The University of Cincinnati on the other hand only reported a grand total of 116 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property.

Factor in enrollment and OSU reported 1 crime for every 132.42 students while UC reported 1 crime for every 252.75 students. Assuming each University reported this correctly, these facts would statistically make UC safer.

Click here to look up the database. (http://www.ope.ed.gov/security/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx)

[TylerDurden]

I lived in Cincinnati my whole life and have attended OSU for two years now. Yep, I wouldn't know. :rolleyes: It's not even close.

I lived in Clifton for 4 years (Probasco, Fairview and W Clifton) and I dated a girl that went to OSU for a year and spent 3 more years visiting my little brother up there when he attended the university. If you think that the neighborhoods surrounding OSU are much better than UC you must have been spending time in different parts of Columbus. There are some serious ghettos right outside of OSU's campus.

[TylerDurden]

Why? I've been to OSU's surrounding neighborhoods and I don't think they are any better than UC's. I'd say they are about the same actually. Just my opinion, and I don't think it makes me stupid.

You're not stupid...apparently AccordingtoMe has a huge bug up his ***.

[AccordingToMe]

You're not stupid...apparently AccordingtoMe has a huge bug up his ***.

I don't have anything up my ---... just checked. :thumb:

To say the UC campus is safer than the OSU campus is just asinine.

[AccordingToMe]

I lived in Clifton for 4 years (Probasco, Fairview and W Clifton) and I dated a girl that went to OSU for a year and spent 3 more years visiting my little brother up there when he attended the university. If you think that the neighborhoods surrounding OSU are much better than UC you must have been spending time in different parts of Columbus. There are some serious ghettos right outside of OSU's campus.

Key words are in bold. The bad neighborhoods at OSU are outside of the off-campus living. The bad neighborhoods at UC make up the off-campus living.

[TylerDurden]

Key words are in bold. The bad neighborhoods at OSU are outside of the off-campus living. The bad neighborhoods at UC make up the off-campus living.

I'm sorry. I just went back and checked the post made by crusaders where you called him "incredibly stupid" and his comment was:

i've always thought the neighborhoods around osu were worse than those around uc.


Now how is saying "around" any different than saying "surrounding" or "outside?"

[TylerDurden]

To say the UC campus is safer than the OSU campus is just asinine.

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who keeps bringing up the campus...everyone else is talking about the neighborhoods surrounding the schools. I would agree that the campus at OSU is safer and I'd probably even agree that the overall area surrounding the campus is safer, but not to the extent where you need to act like a and call people "stupid" for comparing the 2.

[AccordingToMe]

Now how is saying "around" any different than saying "surrounding" or "outside?"

Let me clarify. The area around OSU's campus is student housing. Only student housing. Surrounding some of that is a ghetto.

The area around UC's campus is the ghetto with student housing scattered amongst it.

I don't think I was a at all; it is stupid to say UC is safer than OSU. I don't know what other explanation you want.

[BRICKtamland]

The South Campus area at OSU (especially southeast) is pretty close to UC in terms of being a bad neighborhood. Once you get a little further north or west it's not bad at all. I currently live in a pretty bad area up here (15th and 4th), but am moving next year because we got broken into and I lost almost 2 grand worth of stuff. OSU is overall safer but its not by a wide margin.

[TylerDurden]

The South Campus area at OSU (especially southeast) is pretty close to UC in terms of being a bad neighborhood. Once you get a little further north or west it's not bad at all. I currently live in a pretty bad area up here (15th and 4th), but am moving next year because we got broken into and I lost almost 2 grand worth of stuff. OSU is overall safer but its not by a wide margin.

Exactly. OSU is safer, but it's not by so much that anyone suggest that someone who compares the 2 is incredibly stupid. My brother lived on Chittenden (sp) and I remember driving by some downright GHETTO housing on 11th on the way to 71 with some incredibly cracked out folks hanging out in front. Also, the area east of Summit by 4rth is really bad. I'd so those areas are worse than any parts of Clifton...but the overall neighborhood OSU is better.

[eastside_purple]

Now how is saying "around" any different than saying "surrounding" or "outside?"

It's not, he's being a bag like all OSU fans/students/alumni are when you mention UC in relation to OSU.

[BRICKtamland]

My brother lived on Chittenden (sp) and I remember driving by some downright GHETTO housing on 11th on the way to 71

That area right there (11th going east towards 4th and 71) is the worst area at OSU by far. I would not want to live there.

[BRICKtamland]

a bag like all OSU fans/students/alumni are when you mention UC in relation to OSU.

True for a lot of people, but don't be afraid to throw in a vice versa. :thumb:

[psax889906]

This thread is getting way off topic but I have to add some facts to the current debate.

According the the US Department of Education, in 2007 Ohio State reported 400 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property. The University of Cincinnati on the other hand only reported a grand total of 116 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property.

Factor in enrollment and OSU reported 1 crime for every 132.42 students while UC reported 1 crime for every 252.75 students. Assuming each University reported this correctly, these facts would statistically make UC safer.

Click here to look up the database. (http://www.ope.ed.gov/security/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx) Apparently people decided to completely ignore this post... yanno the one that actually relies upon FACTUAL INFORMATION... so I'm quoting it so hopefully it gets noticed this time... I think it says enough...

[Best in the West]

I don't have anything up my ---... just checked. :thumb:

To say the UC campus is safer than the OSU campus is just asinine.

Contortionist

[AccordingToMe]

It's not, he's being a bag like all OSU fans/students/alumni are when you mention UC in relation to OSU.

:laugh: Nope, just seeing things how they are. I'm freaking from Cincinnati, come on.

[AccordingToMe]

Contortionist

:laugh:

[recently]

The difference is OSU's surrounding neighborhoods are basically completely seperate from the blocks that students live in. In Clifton it's a completely different story. The students are scattered among everything in Clifton. And yes, it does make you stupid. If you lived here you would realize the only reason you would ever say UC's campus is safer than OSU's is because you just want it to be true. It's not.

I never said UC was safer. Read my post again. I said they are similar, which is entirely different. Reading comprehension, ftw.

And the fact that you call names doesn't tell me much about your intelligence either.

[AccordingToMe]

And the fact that you call names doesn't tell me much about your intelligence either.

This line's the best. :thumb:

[recently]

This line's the best. :thumb:

Thanks :)

[eastside_purple]

:laugh: Nope, just seeing things how they are. I'm freaking from Cincinnati, come on.

No you aren't. Someone already showed the crime rate per student is lower at UC v OSU. But that's probably not seeing things as they are, right?

[eastside_purple]

FWIW: no one reads Forbes anymore. Its publication circulation has gone from 2 million down to 600 thousand in less than 2 years. It will be down to 300k by the end of 2010 with the USPS standards they are releasing on pubs.

Yeah, good idea prefacing that post; it wasn't worth much.

[eastside_purple]

I didn't put words in your mouth, son. Learn how to read.

Actually, you did. He never said "most".

[TylerDurden]

Let me clarify. The area around OSU's campus is student housing. Only student housing. Surrounding some of that is a ghetto.

The area around UC's campus is the ghetto with student housing scattered amongst it.

What you call the ghetto that surrounds UC doesn't hold a candle to the areas around OSU that really are a ghetto. My brother (again he lived on Chittenden by 11th) has told me he used to hear gun shots all the time. I've never been near anything that bad and I lived down the hill from Murphy's on W Clifton which is not a good neighborhood at all. Again, the bad parts around OSU are worse than the bad parts of Clifton, but OSU is better on the whole IMO.

I don't think I was a at all; it is stupid to say UC is safer than OSU. I don't know what other explanation you want.

No, calling someone "incredibly stupid" for a statement that was pretty accurate is being a giant . I have been in both areas and have no ties to either school and the areas seem pretty similiar to me.

[eastside_purple]

True for a lot of people, but don't be afraid to throw in a vice versa. :thumb:

True, but that's not what happened on this thread. If anything, most UC people have acknowledged OSU's campus is probably safer overall, even if the stats don't support that notion.

[jnewyouth]

This thread is getting way off topic but I have to add some facts to the current debate.

According the the US Department of Education, in 2007 Ohio State reported 400 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property. The University of Cincinnati on the other hand only reported a grand total of 116 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property.

Factor in enrollment and OSU reported 1 crime for every 132.42 students while UC reported 1 crime for every 252.75 students. Assuming each University reported this correctly, these facts would statistically make UC safer.

Click here to look up the database.Apparently people decided to completely ignore this post... yanno the one that actually relies upon FACTUAL INFORMATION... so I'm quoting it so hopefully it gets noticed this time... I think it says enough...Thanks.
People don't seem to care for facts on this site.

[eastside_purple]

Thanks.
People don't seem to care for facts on this site.

That's why I completely left the debate site. I wasn't always right, but there is a disdain for facts and an intentional willingness to ignore them.

[BRICKtamland]

That's why I completely left the debate site. I wasn't always right, but there is a disdain for facts and an intentional willingness to ignore them.

FTW ^

[Yappi]

Thanks.
People don't seem to care for facts on this site.

There is a disclaimer on that site stating they can't vouch for the accuracy of the statistics. Personally, I have a tough time believing those stats are completely accurate because I looked up UC and Kent State. Both had similar numbers, which to me is hard to understand. One is in an urban area with what some are describing as a "ghetto" while the other is in a suburban/rural setting without a single section of the town where you would feel uncomfortable walking around at midnight.

[AccordingToMe]

There is a disclaimer on that site stating they can't vouch for the accuracy of the statistics. Personally, I have a tough time believing those stats are completely accurate because I looked up UC and Kent State. Both had similar numbers, which to me is hard to understand. One is in an urban area with what some are describing as a "ghetto" while the other is in a suburban/rural setting without a single section of the town where you would feel uncomfortable walking around at midnight.

I was going to mention the disclaimer and how some of UC's statistics looked off but I figured everyone would just eat that up. I really don't think those stats are accurate.

[eastside_purple]

There is a disclaimer on that site stating they can't vouch for the accuracy of the statistics. Personally, I have a tough time believing those stats are completely accurate because I looked up UC and Kent State. Both had similar numbers, which to me is hard to understand. One is in an urban area with what some are describing as a "ghetto" while the other is in a suburban/rural setting without a single section of the town where you would feel uncomfortable walking around at midnight.

Right. We should go with anecdotal evidence instead, since you're an OSU fan. ;)

[eastside_purple]

I was going to mention the disclaimer and how some of UC's statistics looked off but I figured everyone would just eat that up. I really don't think those stats are accurate.

I'm shocked. They must not be accurate then. Dang! :D

[Yappi]

Right. We should go with anecdotal evidence instead, since you're an OSU fan. ;)

So my post should be dismissed? That's just silly.

So answer this question for me; are UpTown East, UpTown West, and University Hospital all apart of the University of Cincinnati?

East (http://www.uc.edu/pubsafety/forms/East.pdf)
West (http://www.uc.edu/pubsafety/forms/West.pdf)
Hopital (http://www.uc.edu/pubsafety/forms/UHI.pdf)

These have more detail than the data from the other link.

Here's another note why there may be such a large difference in the burglary numbers:
Universities are responsible to report their own campus crime statistics to the U.S. Department of Education. Some universities still define a certain percentage of campus burglaries as larcenies; thus, their burglary numbers are lower than they would otherwise be.

EMU follows the required Clery Act definition of buglaries, and reports all burglaries in its crime statistics to the DOE. Larcenies are not required to be reported under the Clery Act.

A larceny is a theft of property. A burglary is a theft of property where the perpetrator illegally enters a building, residence, office, or other non-public space to steal property. In a burglary, the illegal entry does not have to be forcible. For example, a thief walking into an unlocked office to steal a laptop computer would be guilty of burglary, while the same thief stealing the same laptop from a public cafe would be guilty of larceny.

[crusader04]

I lived in Cincinnati my whole life and have attended OSU for two years now. Yep, I wouldn't know. :rolleyes: It's not even close.

where in cincinnati did you grow up.

[AccordingToMe]

where in cincinnati did you grow up.

Mt. Airy. My mom grew up real close to the Skyline in Clifton and whenever I'm home I spend pretty much all my time on either Ravine or Ohio.

[eastside_purple]

So my post should be dismissed? That's just silly.

To the extent it offered no new or contrary information, yes.

Btw, you still haven't. :shrug:

[Best in the West]

Mt. Airy. My mom grew up real close to the Skyline in Clifton and whenever I'm home I spend pretty much all my time on either Ravine or Ohio.

I could be dead wrong, but I have always thought of the area around the Skyline as relatively safe and one of the nicer areas of Clifton. The Northwestern quadrant seems relatively safe, but work your way toward the VA and EPA or head south of campus (basically the northern end of Over the Rhine) and things get a bit dicey.

[AccordingToMe]

I could be dead wrong, but I have always thought of the area around the Skyline as relatively safe and one of the nicer areas of Clifton. The Northwestern quadrant seems relatively safe, but work your way toward the VA and EPA or head south of campus (basically the northern end of Over the Rhine) and things get a bit dicey.

I've always thought the same thing.

[Yappi]

To the extent it offered no new or contrary information, yes.

Btw, you still haven't. :shrug:

Apparently, since you blindly believe questionable data, you think everyone else should. Even Eastern Michigan had a problem with the data that others have presented to the DOE. But keep your head buried in the sand and claim that UC is as safe as suburban/rural schools. So why don't you offer some "new" or "contrary" evidence to support your blind belief? At least I made an effort to provide real data. What have you done?

Try reading this again:Some universities still define a certain percentage of campus burglaries as larcenies; thus, their burglary numbers are lower than they would otherwise be.

[Best in the West]

As far as I am concerned, larcenies should be excluded from the crime statistics when discussing safety. While I would be upset with my laptop, iPod or other items being stolen, it would not necessarily make me feel any less safe to be on a campus with a high larceny rate. It would pretty much be my fault for leaving them somewhere to be easily taken. Larceny is basically a crime of convenience. Keep items with you at all times and you don't have a problem. On the other hand, burglaries where homes, dorms or apartments are entered, is a clear safety issue. When I look at colleges for my kids, the crimes I will be most concerned with are burglaries, assaults, rapes & murders.

I have not taken the time to look at the numbers but comparing crimes/student without looking at the type of crime is essentially pointless, IMO.

[Yappi]

As far as I am concerned, larcenies should be excluded from the crime statistics when discussing safety. While I would be upset with my laptop, iPod or other items being stolen, it would not necessarily make me feel any less safe to be on a campus with a high larceny rate. It would pretty much be my fault for leaving them somewhere to be easily taken. Larceny is basically a crime of convenience. Keep items with you at all times and you don't have a problem. On the other hand, burglaries where homes, dorms or apartments are entered, is a clear safety issue. When I look at colleges for my kids, the crimes I will be most concerned with are burglaries, assaults, rapes & murders.

I have not taken the time to look at the numbers but comparing crimes/student without looking at the type of crime is essentially pointless, IMO.

Your missing the point of the post. Some universities still define a certain percentage of campus burglaries as larcenies. If the campuses label the same crime differently, then the data is essentially pointless. That is the point that a couple of us have been trying to make when looking at the data from jnewyouth's link. It's NOT apples to apples as others are claiming.

[JUSTGOPLAY]

Apparently, since you blindly believe questionable data, you think everyone else should. Even Eastern Michigan had a problem with the data that others have presented to the DOE. But keep your head buried in the sand and claim that UC is as safe as suburban/rural schools. So why don't you offer some "new" or "contrary" evidence to support your blind belief? At least I made an effort to provide real data. What have you done?

Try reading this again:

You are correct, Cincinnati is a scary place......I'd go to school someplace safe, like Bloomington, IN., Athens, OH., or Morehead, KY.

[Best in the West]

Your missing the point of the post. Some universities still define a certain percentage of campus burglaries as larcenies. If the campuses label the same crime differently, then the data is essentially pointless. That is the point that a couple of us have been trying to make when looking at the data from jnewyouth's link. It's NOT apples to apples as others are claiming.

I absolutely agree with you on that point. The stats need to be comparing the same crimes as he at least appears to acknowledge in the underlined portion of his post. I was addressing the way the stats are used (in bold).

This thread is getting way off topic but I have to add some facts to the current debate.

According the the US Department of Education, in 2007 Ohio State reported 400 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property. The University of Cincinnati on the other hand only reported a grand total of 116 crimes on campus, non-campus, and public property.

Factor in enrollment and OSU reported 1 crime for every 132.42 students while UC reported 1 crime for every 252.75 students. Assuming each University reported this correctly, these facts would statistically make UC safer.

Click here to look up the database. (http://www.ope.ed.gov/security/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx)

[recently]

You are correct, Cincinnati is a scary place......I'd go to school someplace safe, like Bloomington, IN., Athens, OH., or Morehead, KY.

Cincinnati is fine.

[Just Win Baby]

Yeah, good idea prefacing that post; it wasn't worth much.


Actually it shows how bad a magazine Forbes has become...hence no one reads it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that with your 30k posts.

[eastside_purple]

Apparently, since you blindly believe questionable data, you think everyone else should. Even Eastern Michigan had a problem with the data that others have presented to the DOE. But keep your head buried in the sand and claim that UC is as safe as suburban/rural schools. So why don't you offer some "new" or "contrary" evidence to support your blind belief? At least I made an effort to provide real data. What have you done?

Try reading this again:

Again, it's still the ONLY data we can look at in any context. I'd give a lot more credibility to it, with it's flaws, than anecdotal accounts. Apparently, you're in the same boat as other OSU posters on this site when anyone suggests UC might be on-par with OSU in anything. :shrug:

[eastside_purple]

I could be dead wrong, but I have always thought of the area around the Skyline as relatively safe and one of the nicer areas of Clifton. The Northwestern quadrant seems relatively safe, but work your way toward the VA and EPA or head south of campus (basically the northern end of Over the Rhine) and things get a bit dicey.

The gaslight area is pretty safe. Many physicians live in the houses further north of Ludlow from there; actually, that area is pretty nice.

[eastside_purple]

Actually it shows how bad a magazine Forbes has become...hence no one reads it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that with your 30k posts.

No it doesn't. Without a doubt, you would argue the exact opposite if they put OSU in that article. Pathetic.

[Yappi]

Anecdotal? Does this mean I should dismiss this:

The gaslight area is pretty safe. Many physicians live in the houses further north of Ludlow from there; actually, that area is pretty nice.

Again, it's still the ONLY data we can look at in any context. I'd give a lot more credibility to it, with it's flaws, than anecdotal accounts. Apparently, you're in the same boat as other OSU posters on this site when anyone suggests UC might be on-par with OSU in anything.

Did you read the links that I provided? These are in context and much more accurate than the link that jnewyouth provided. I'm on here saying that I would not feel safe walking around Ohio State at night. I would say the same about UC and Akron. Call me crazy but I don't feel completely safe at an urban University.

Here is another link that is about 5 years old from the FBI which supports that the urban Universities are not as safe as the suburban/rural Universities:

http://www.kent.edu/Magazine/Summer2005/CrimeStatistics.cfm

Usually it seems like you have an open mind but now it seems like you don't want to look at anything that doesn't support your own preconceived belief. This is not a knock on UC but you, for some reason, want to put UC in a different group than they really belong in.

[eastside_purple]

Anecdotal? Does this mean I should dismiss this:





Did you read the links that I provided? These are in context and much more accurate than the link that jnewyouth provided. I'm on here saying that I would not feel safe walking around Ohio State at night. I would say the same about UC and Akron. Call me crazy but I don't feel completely safe at an urban University.

Here is another link that is about 5 years old from the FBI which supports that the urban Universities are not as safe as the suburban/rural Universities:

http://www.kent.edu/Magazine/Summer2005/CrimeStatistics.cfm

Usually it seems like you have an open mind but now it seems like you don't want to look at anything that doesn't support your own preconceived belief. This is not a knock on UC but you, for some reason, want to put UC in a different group than they really belong in.

Feel free....but it's true. Many physicians do live in the Clifton Gaslight and Mt Storm area.

What preconceived category did I wrongly put them in? I simply agreed that UC is as safe as OSU. Somehow that is unreasonable to you, despite your posted data suggesting that very fact. If you would read the thread, you will see it has been OSU fans rejecting that idea...and UC fans suggesting it's campus and surrounding area is just as safe.

[Yappi]

Feel free....but it's true. Many physicians do live in the Clifton Gaslight and Mt Storm area.

LOL! :cool:

What preconceived category did I wrongly put them in? I simply agreed that UC is as safe as OSU. Somehow that is unreasonable to you, despite your posted data suggesting that very fact. If you would read the thread, you will see it has been OSU fans rejecting that idea...and UC fans suggesting it's campus and surrounding area is just as safe.

Your first post said that "Someone already showed the crime rate per student is lower at UC v OSU".

I simply started by posting that I didn't think the data that showed UC was nearly as safe as Kent State was accurate. Jnewyouth's link showed that UC was considerably safer than OSU and was much closer to Kent State. I didn't believe that and felt the data was inaccurate, which seems likely after just doing a little googling for the info.

So if you truly feel that OSU and UC are similar in terms of safety, then we are in total agreement.

[eastside_purple]

LOL! :cool:



Your first post said that "Someone already showed the crime rate per student is lower at UC v OSU".

I simply started by posting that I didn't think the data that showed UC was nearly as safe as Kent State was accurate. Jnewyouth's link showed that UC was considerably safer than OSU and was much closer to Kent State. I didn't believe that and felt the data was inaccurate, which seems likely after just doing a little googling for the info.

So if you truly feel that OSU and UC are similar in terms of safety, then we are in total agreement.

My apologies then, I feel both campus' and the surrounding areas are probably similar in terms of safety. You have to look at the context of what I posted in terms of who I was talking to: "accordingtome". He was the one who was claiming OSU was much safer than UC.

[AccordingToMe]

My apologies then, I feel both campus' and the surrounding areas are probably similar in terms of safety. You have to look at the context of what I posted in terms of who I was talking to: "accordingtome". He was the one who was claiming OSU was much safer than UC.

Another reason OSU may seem so much safer is because a high amount of those crimes reported most likely occur in a small area. There's a large area that has no crime and a small area that has extremely high crime. At UC it's just everywhere.

[Just Win Baby]

No it doesn't. Without a doubt, you would argue the exact opposite if they put OSU in that article. Pathetic.


LOL....No I wouldn't as I could care less what college campus is the best on what they have. I do know OSU has the better athletic facilities hands down (UC's engineering dept is better) and I don't need to read it in a magazine whose subscription rate is dropping like the stock market everyday to know this. As for the crime rate....who cares as you have thugs all over every city and campus causing trouble.

[eastside_purple]

Another reason OSU may seem so much safer is because a high amount of those crimes reported most likely occur in a small area. There's a large area that has no crime and a small area that has extremely high crime. At UC it's just everywhere.

Of course this a completely anecdotal and worthless opinion. But thanks.

[eastside_purple]

LOL....No I wouldn't as I could care less what college campus is the best on what they have. I do know OSU has the better athletic facilities hands down (UC's engineering dept is better) and I don't need to read it in a magazine whose subscription rate is dropping like the stock market everyday to know this. As for the crime rate....who cares as you have thugs all over every city and campus causing trouble.

LOL....yes, you absolutely would.

[AccordingToMe]

Of course this a completely anecdotal and worthless opinion. But thanks.

Just wondering, have you ever stepped foot on the OSU campus?

[AccordingToMe]

According, what is that "Buy American" thing you were talking about earlier.

Seen any of the "Buy in the U.S." signs around town? It's just a bunch of people against buying imported cars. Ryan N got his Honda's window busted in a while back.

[eastside_purple]

Just wondering, have you ever stepped foot on the OSU campus?

Yes.

[AccordingToMe]

Of course this a completely anecdotal and worthless opinion. But thanks.

By the way, the more I compare UC's numbers on that site to other schools, the more I think those numbers are terribly off. So keep saying the word "anecdotal," and keep being naive.

I've never been to the University of Kentucky, but I've never known that to be a dangerous campus. I could be wrong. But according to that site, UK is more dangerous than UC as well.

$t.X, from your experience which campus is safer?

...heck even just looking at OSU's numbers without comparing them to another college shows some pretty obvious signs of inaccuracy. Zero aggravated assaults in the past three years? I don't think so. Looking at UC's alone; a mere three aggravated assaults total in Clifton in the past three years? Please. That website is useless.

EDIT... even another example of questionable numbers; compare UC's to Miami Oxford's. Burglaries are really close with UC averaging only 7 more per year, but Miami had 22 cases of aggravated assault over the past three years compared to UC's 3. I don't think any of you can tell me UC is just as safe/safer than Miami; it's not even close.

I think this is one of those cases where the universities report what they want to report. EP, you can keep calling my opinion "anecdotal," but it's pretty clear that these numbers are inaccurate. Sometimes you have to use your head instead of believing everything thrown in front of you.

[eastside_purple]

By the way, the more I compare UC's numbers on that site to other schools, the more I think those numbers are terribly off. So keep saying the word "anecdotal," and keep being naive.

I've never been to the University of Kentucky, but I've never known that to be a dangerous campus. I could be wrong. But according to that site, UK is more dangerous than UC as well.

$t.X, from your experience which campus is safer?

...heck even just looking at OSU's numbers without comparing them to another college shows some pretty obvious signs of inaccuracy. Zero aggravated assaults in the past three years? I don't think so. Looking at UC's alone; a mere three aggravated assaults total in Clifton in the past three years? Please. That website is useless.

EDIT... even another example of questionable numbers; compare UC's to Miami Oxford's. Burglaries are really close with UC averaging only 7 more per year, but Miami had 22 cases of aggravated assault over the past three years compared to UC's 3. I don't think any of you can tell me UC is just as safe/safer than Miami; it's not even close.

I think this is one of those cases where the universities report what they want to report. EP, you can keep calling my opinion "anecdotal," but it's pretty clear that these numbers are inaccurate. Sometimes you have to use your head instead of believing everything thrown in front of you.

Do you know what "anecdotal" means?

[AccordingToMe]

Do you know what "anecdotal" means?

Um, yes. I do. Thanks for asking. :blush:

How about you respond to my post rather than just follow me around?

[eastside_purple]

I lived in Lexington for a while, I'd say, in general, it seems safer than Cincinnati. I never spent any significant time on the campus, but the local news was generally dominated by UK news....good and bad. But, like any place, there are bad areas adjacent to nearly any university....heck, even the more well-heeled private Transylvania, in Lexington, was adjacent to an area you wouldn't want to be alone in.

[eastside_purple]

Um, yes. I do. Thanks for asking. :blush:

Your welcome. It didn't seem like it from your post. :shrug:

[eastside_purple]

Fyi...here is the crime rate in 2008 for Metro areas...

Columbus is well above the national average: 29.77;
Cincinnati is below the national average: (6.70); and
Lexington is a bit lower than Cincy: (8.42).

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/MetroCrime2008_Alpha.pdf

Campus crime generally reflects the area it is adjacent to....based on this, I'd say the Cincy MSA is safer, but UC is located in a higher crime intensity area (Clifton) than OSU....but OSU's MSA (which OSU is right in the middle of) is definitely less safe than Cincy. Therefore, I'd say they are probably roughly equivalent. I haven't seen any stats that makes that observation incorrect.

[recently]

I said they were probably equivalent about two pages back, but nobody ever listens to me ;) :(

[eastside_purple]

I said they were probably equivalent about two pages back, but nobody ever listens to me ;) :(

A lot of people did.

[AccordingToMe]

Campus crime generally reflects the area it is adjacent to....based on this, I'd say the Cincy MSA is safer, but UC is located in a higher crime intensity area (Clifton) than OSU

I think that's why people ever feel "unsafe." At least to me, it certainly is.

[eastside_purple]

I think that's why people ever feel "unsafe." At least to me, it certainly is.

Well, you can't base logical conclusions on feelings. OSU is in Columbus, where the crime rate is demonstratably higher. :shrug:

[AccordingToMe]

Well, you can't base logical conclusions on feelings. OSU is in Columbus, where the crime rate is demonstratably higher. :shrug:

What's the definition of "metro"? How can you apply the crime rate of an entire metro area to a campus? UC is up a huge hill and pretty much separate from downtown; OSU is a stone's throw from downtown, but not IN downtown. You can't just use a city's crime rate and slap it on a campus... why isn't SLU the most dangerous university in the country? East St. Louis is a scary place! :shrug:

[eastside_purple]

What's the definition of "metro"? How can you apply the crime rate of an entire metro area to a campus? UC is up a huge hill and pretty much separate from downtown; OSU is a stone's throw from downtown, but not IN downtown. You can't just use a city's crime rate and slap it on a campus... why isn't SLU the most dangerous university in the country? East St. Louis is a scary place! :shrug:

Given the pieces of information we actually have, crime stats for UC and OSU and for their respective surrounding area's I think I've actually been kind to OSU in saying they are roughly equivalent in terms of safety. You, on the other hand, have offered....well....nothing really, in terms of logic or facts in this discussion. :shrug:

[AccordingToMe]

Given the pieces of information we actually have, crime stats for UC and OSU and for their respective surrounding area's I think I've actually been kind to OSU in saying they are roughly equivalent in terms of safety. You, on the other hand, have offered....well....nothing really, in terms of logic or facts in this discussion. :shrug:

You're right. I have no information to back up my opinion. Instead of throwing around a bunch of numbers that don't even apply I'm admitting I'm going off sheer experience. But I do have experience in both areas (that you, and so far everyone else on here, do not have) and my opinion should reflect the overall feeling of security in both areas pretty well. I argued the stats you've given because I felt like they didn't reflect my feeling on the matter, and it turns out all the stats used to proved me wrong are inaccurate or just don't apply.

I guess the argument doesn't really matter; I know which place I feel safest in and I've been shown no reason to feel otherwise.

[eastside_purple]

You're right. I have no information to back up my opinion. Instead of throwing around a bunch of numbers that don't even apply I'm admitting I'm going off sheer experience. But I do have experience in both areas (that you, and so far everyone else on here, do not have) and my opinion should reflect the overall feeling of security in both areas pretty well. I argued the stats you've given because I felt like they didn't reflect my feeling on the matter, and it turns out all the stats used to proved me wrong are inaccurate or just don't apply.

I guess the argument doesn't really matter; I know which place I feel safest in and I've been shown no reason to feel otherwise.

Of course, I have experience on both campuses. But instead ignorantly extrapolating my anecdotal experiences on each campus and the surrounding areas to everyone else and calling it "reality", I chose to use logic and crime statistics. Of course the data presented applies, perhaps you aren't smart enough to apply it. That isn't my fault. :shrug:

[AccordingToMe]

I chose to use logic and crime statistics. Of course the data presented applies, perhaps you aren't smart enough to apply it. That isn't my fault. :shrug:

If you're still hanging your hat on the statistics that apply to the metro areas, then go ahead and show me what exact areas those statistics represent. When you're comparing crime rates of campuses you have to have numbers specific to that area. They certainly are not a direct representation of both campuses. :shrug: If you can find a website that's actually accurate and shows I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but until then I'm going off my personal experiences.

And as for your experience to both campuses, what was your exposure to OSU's like? I'm sure you've been around UC's for years, but what about OSU's? All you've indicated thus far is that you've stepped foot on it at some point in your life.

[eastside_purple]

If you're still hanging your hat on the statistics that apply to the metro areas, then go ahead and show me what exact areas those statistics represent. They certainly are not a direct representation of both campuses. :shrug: If you can find a website that's actually accurate and shows I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but until then I'm going off my personal experiences.

And as for your experience to both campuses, what was your exposure to OSU's like? I'm sure you've been around UC's for years, but what about OSU's? All you've indicated thus far is that you've stepped foot on it at some point in your life.

I don't care what you admit, in addition to the best stats presented, the vast majority of everyone on this thread with any experience on both campuses say they are pretty much equivalent. I worked in Columbus for a year and took a couple classes through Fisher to finish my MBA from another business school.

[AccordingToMe]

I don't care what you admit, in addition to the best stats presented, the vast majority of everyone on this thread with any experience on both campuses say they are pretty much equivalent.

Because the masses on yappi.com mean a lot, right? If I've learned anything from being on this site it's that everything that everyone believes on here is 100% true. :)

The fact that you have to say "best" stats continues to prove them baseless.

[eastside_purple]

Because the masses on yappi.com mean a lot, right? If I've learned anything from being on this site it's that everything that everyone believes on here is 100% true. :)

The fact that you have to say "best" stats continues to prove them baseless.

The fact you don't win on both "anecdotal" or "best data" accounts is cracking me up.

[TylerDurden]

The fact you don't win on both "anecdotal" or "best data" accounts is cracking me up.

Has anyone else beside him even made the claim that OSU is a much safer campus that UC? I can't believe he's still trying to defend his earlier comments.

[AccordingToMe]

Has anyone else beside him even made the claim that OSU is a much safer campus that UC? I can't believe he's still trying to defend his earlier comments.

Why would I change my opinion because a bunch of people from Cincinnati who have been to OSU only for short periods of time that agree on something about OSU?

I live in the specific area you all are trying to tell me about, and as stated before, everything I've been presented with does nothing to change my opinion. :shrug:

[AccordingToMe]

The fact you don't win on both "anecdotal" or "best data" accounts is cracking me up.

What?

[TylerDurden]

Why would I change my opinion because a bunch of people from Cincinnati who have been to OSU only for short periods of time that agree on something about OSU?

I live in the specific area you all are trying to tell me about, and as stated before, everything I've been presented with does nothing to change my opinion. :shrug:

Because you're opinion is wrong.

Why does it matter if you live in a specific area? There are people on here that have lived in areas of UC that you are trying to tell us about. The difference between you and everyone else is we're being level headed whereas you continue to defend your original ignorant comments. Do you think it's just a coincidence that nobody agrees with your claims?

I'd say I spent about 30 weekends on OSU's campus. If that's your opinion of "short periods" of time then so be it. I saw nothing while living in Clifton for 4 years (not as a student of UC either) and working here for 3 years that has lead me to believe either area is significantly better or worse than the other. Heck, I was even talking to my brother this weekend and he agreed that he probably felt safer on OSU's campus due to the large student body, but that the two areas were about the same. He went to UC his freshman year, spent the next 3 years at OSU and is now back at UC getting his Masters. I guess he's just biased as well.

[AccordingToMe]

How is he biased if he felt safer on OSU's? :confused:

Anyway you can just give it up. I am. Unless I see a direct reason why I should believe other than I do now, my opinion will not change. And my opinion isn't wrong; you can't prove that. A lot of people have tried.

[eastside_purple]

Has anyone else beside him even made the claim that OSU is a much safer campus that UC? I can't believe he's still trying to defend his earlier comments.

No...because it isn't.

[eastisbest]

Akron-not real good at all but have never felt unsafe at night or day
Kent state-not to bad but not great either
Toledo-honestly imo this is one of the worse I been to
Cincy-its a little worse than akron but not too dangerous
Youngstown state-might get shot a few blocks from the university
Miami-in the middle of no where so pretty safe
Ohio u-same as miami

Would someone kindly show me these unsafe areas around UT? Worse you've been to?

University of Toledo (http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAudW5pdmVyc2l0eStvZit0b2xlZG8lN2Vzc3QuMCU3Z XBnLjEmYmI9NDEuNjYzODc1NDUzOTIzOCU3ZS04My42MTIxOTA 2Mzk5ODA3JTdlNDEuNjYyMTYzMjI3Njc3NCU3ZS04My42MTQ3M jQ5ODQ4NjIx)

When I set that link on birdseye, all I see is green, nice buildings and nice neighborhoods.

Brick tudor neighborhoods on three sides, one of them, Ottawa Hills, is one of the richest in the state, and yes one side has blue collar housing. Crime stats near the university are low. Anybody can drive to a campus and cause problems. Happens at BG, happens at Miami and all the other non-city centered campuses.

Whatever cacoon you want to live in I suppose.

[MOEFAN]

Bowling Green State University is very safe!
Don't know much about Wright State.

[recently]

Wright St. is fine. I've visited before and it's pretty safe.