View Full Version : Texas realignment-Impact on National games?
Realignment is less than a month away.
For those not familiar with this, the UIL sets enrollment cutoffs for the 5A/4A/3A etc. After that they seperate those teams in 32 districts. That number makes it easy for a 64 team playoff(or two stupid 64 team tournaments in this case)
Ideas run ramapant, and most really don't know. THe last cutoff for 5A was 1845 and many anticipate it as high as 2100.
There are many that are suggesting many 9-10 team districts. So how does that impact National games. With a 10 team district that only allows the school to schedule one game. Two with a nine team district, and so forth.
Most predictions show SLC w/in an 8 team district, so how does that affet them? I would suggest that if there are more 9/10 team districts, there will be less teams in 8 team districts to schedule games with each other.
If that's the case, there might be pressure from the state to ensure that these teams are being taken care of and a team looking to travel to let's say Ohio may not be looked on too favorably.
Again, my thoughts, in any case it should be exciting.
More to follow.
Chicago
01-17-08, 01:15 PM
Nine teams is the killer.
Everyone has an open date in week 1.
But then one team has an open date each remaining week (2 though 10).
So they have to match up with the one open team from some other nine-team district.
So if there are 15 8-team districts, 6 9-team districts, and 11 10-team districts, for example, week 1 there will be 284 teams with open dates (all of them), weeks 2 and 3 there will be 126 teams with open dates (all of the 8-team crowd and six total of the 9-team crowd), and weeks 4 through 10 there will be six teams with open dates (one from each 9-team district).
I hope they are near each other.
All of this is not held. I did it pretty quickly.
Around DFW/Houston there are a pretty good number of teams that would mitigate that.
It appears probable that District 1 will be comprised of El Paso, then west TX for District 2:
Amarillo
Amarillo Tascosa
Lubbock
Lubbock Coronado
Lubbock Monterey
Midland
Midland Lee
Odessa
Odessa Permian
Amarillo to Odessa = 260 miles
Think of that in relation to home and away BBall/baseball etc.
Travel is crap, much less trying to schedule non-district games.
Glad that's not my job.
DLSfanNW
01-17-08, 03:14 PM
Does this mean SLC will have to play somebody in the regular season for a change instead of their SOS only going up after the playoffs?
How about Trinity every year?
Does this mean SLC will have to play somebody in the regular season for a change instead of their SOS only going up after the playoffs?
How about Trinity every year?
It doesn't mean anything like that. If so inclined, I would suggest that SLC has scheduled plenty of good competition throughout the years including Midland Lee, whom they travelled 5 hours and three hours to play.
Not really the point of this discussion.
Basically it appears there will be more teams in the 32 5A districts. This will result in less non-district games to be scheduled. Becasue of this I could certainly see there being pressure on schools to ensure that every team in the area's schedule was full and not travelling OOS. Note that is PURE specualtion on my part.
Bordertown
01-17-08, 09:34 PM
9-10 team districts will be rare. But 8 games districts will be the norm. Pied my understanding the cutoff for 5A is set so that the maximum number of teams is 245. That allows for the extremely limited exception for schools to play up. Currently there are 5 districts with 9 teams.
For the national readers those primarily relate to one of two cases:
- the school are in a remote part of the state and travel is a consideration (ie Laredo and Eagle Pass)
- a school district with multiple schools wants to keep schools in the same classification for district competition purposes. Happens primarily in Dallas & Houston ISD. For example Dallas Carter is a 4A by enrollment playing 5A ball.
Schools do not chose who is in their district. The UIL uses the rubberband method of grouping districts. If a school does not like their district assignment, they may appeal. Maybe 5% win their appeal.
The school with a national name dropping to 4A will be Longview. They have moved in and out of the top 25 over the last 10 years.
Pied what you will see is the number of team in 3A & 4A increasing, not 5A.
9-10 team districts will be rare. But 8 games districts will be the norm. Pied my understanding the cutoff for 5A is set so that the maximum number of teams is 245. That allows for the extremely limited exception for schools to play up. Currently there are 5 districts with 9 teams.
Who knows, I am just relaying info I have read which is pure speculation, and giving my silly conclusions. Not solid evidence at all, and I try to qualify that.
Kind of funny to bring up 3A/4A. I am a 5A football guy. Easy for me to forget about the rest of the state. Also probably important to note is that basketball might be more of a driver in the realignment because of the additional travel and participation.
I usually see how the realignment will affect my DFW 5A teams. Whatever comes out it should be interesting. Saw something that Copperas Cove might play a FL squad in Abilene. That makes zero sense. Who knows.
For you geeks out there, here is some reading:
Reclassification and realignment information for 2008-09/2009-10 will be released on February 1, 2008, at 9:00 a.m., Central Standard Time (8:00 a.m. MST in El Paso) at respective Regional Education Service Centers.
The information will be distributed to school superintendents at the Regional Education Service Centers. Schools may also access reclassification information on the UIL web site (www.uil.utexas.edu) and print alignments out via computer. If there is an error in assignment or a school has been omitted, schools are to call the League office (512/471-5883) or fax (512/471-6589 or 471-5908).
http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2008align/alignment_policies.html
Never been, but I understand the scene at the "Regional Education Service Centers" is crazy, kind of like the stock exchange, coaches lining up games etc. Probably changing as the info will be released online simultaneously, but I am sure many coaches will still go to the centers.
Just a recap, and show where I was in error:
THe last cutoff for 5A was 1845 and many anticipate it as high as 2100
Pretty close, the cutoff was 2085. Rumor is Highland Park turned in 2083.
There are many that are suggesting many 9-10 team districts. So how does that impact National games. With a 10 team district that only allows the school to schedule one game. Two with a nine team district, and so forth.
Most predictions show SLC w/in an 8 team district, so how does that affet them? I would suggest that if there are more 9/10 team districts, there will be less teams in 8 team districts to schedule games with each other.
Not so good here, in the DFW area there is on six team district and six seven team districts. Plenty of people to play and as I mentioned earlier, SLC will schedule FIVE non district games. Who knows what will come out about this later.
It appears probable that District 1 will be comprised of El Paso, then west TX for District 2:
Amarillo
Amarillo Tascosa
Lubbock
Lubbock Coronado
Lubbock Monterey
Midland
Midland Lee
Odessa
Odessa Permian
Amarillo to Odessa = 260 miles
Pretty close they threw in San Angelo and the travel just gets worse. One non district game to get ready for the district race. wow
from DLSfanNW:
Does this mean SLC will have to play somebody in the regular season for a change instead of their SOS only going up after the playoffs?
I think the teams SLC is w/now district wise are much better. The non-district thing could get real interesting from an internet fans perspective. They could be looking for opponents into October. hhmmmmmm
Bordertown
02-01-08, 02:25 PM
Just a recap, and show where I was in error:
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Pretty close, the cutoff was 2085. Rumor is Highland Park turned in 2083.
Quit telling inside jokes on a national board. It doesn't translate. But all the TEXICANS are smiling.
consumerman
02-01-08, 03:31 PM
in the old NHL when there were 4 divisions with either 5 or 6 teams, 4 teams fromeach division made the playoffs (16 of 21 as I recall). the regular season really didnt matter.
in texas 5A with 2 watered down tiers for playoffs where 4 teams in a district qualify for playoffs, all these concerns over realignment and who is in who's league really don't matter either
Bordertown
02-01-08, 03:44 PM
Thank you. What does hockey have to do with realignment in Texas. As of today schools in Texas can start to finalize their schedules. Must wait several more weeks before they can ink the contracts.
Please spare us your view of the Texas playoffs system. We all know your feelings. You don't like them. We don't either, but we prefer them to a non-system or a system that avails itself to corruption or politics.
in the old NHL when there were 4 divisions with either 5 or 6 teams, 4 teams fromeach division made the playoffs (16 of 21 as I recall). the regular season really didnt matter.
in texas 5A with 2 watered down tiers for playoffs where 4 teams in a district qualify for playoffs, all these concerns over realignment and who is in who's league really don't matter either
Certainly they matter. Who is likely to play an out of state game, Permain with one game that they can schedule or SLC who has five?
Bordertown
02-01-08, 03:51 PM
Texas High will likely fill 2 or its 4 nondistrict games with out of state foes including 2x Arkansas State Champions - Arkansas High and Evangel Christian out of Shreveport.
Chicago
02-01-08, 03:51 PM
I was thinking the hockey thing, too.
At one point, it wasn't even top four from each division. It was top 16 overall, and everyone played everyone else four times during the regular season. Divisions meant absolutely nothing.
In Illinois, winning a league that has at least six teams in it gets you a playoff spot. Coming in second, or winning league with five teams in it, gets you nothing. All other playoff spots are determined by overall record, with some SOS tiebreakers.
In Florida in the early 80s (and maybe later), there were sixteen districts in 4A (the biggest class at the time). Win your district and you were in. Otherwise, enjoy watching. Texas was like that until 1980,I believe (but with 32 districts).
The current California system is probably the toughest ever (as far as getting in is concerned), and Ohio 1972-1979 is probably second (four teams in each class).
The current California system is probably the toughest ever (as far as getting in is concerned), and Ohio 1972-1979 is probably second (four teams in each class).
Yeah, how much you politic is pretty difficult. Having an undefeated record does not guarantee you moreso than a two loss team correct?
Is it harder in the south or north?
Up until the late 70's( I think) Texas had only the district champion advance. That was not enough, four is too many. Hard to find a Texas poster(I have never seen one) that disagrees.
Up until the late 70's( I think) Texas had only the district champion advance. That was not enough, four is too many. Hard to find a Texas poster(I have never seen one) that disagrees.
I agree, four is too many. It's a pretty close ratio to the NBA where about 1/2 the teams get in.
On the other hand (there's always another hand) the Texas HS football playoffs are very, very cool. Having so many teams participate is fun for lots and lots of people. A football purist won't like it, but the fans, and expecially the students, seem to love it if excitement and attendance is any indication.
Chicago
02-01-08, 04:08 PM
Any time you are selecting very few teams, it's going to be very tricky.
The Harbin system in Ohio probably left a lot of people unhappy, too, when they picked one team per region (not that everyone is happy now; it's just that the unhappy teams now are not as good as they used to be).
There's a reason playoff fields usually get bigger, and never get smaller.
Ohio (in 1972), California (in 2006), and Illinois (in 1974 or so) had to create playoffs on top of pretty-entrenched systems. Texas, starting as long ago as it did, probably had it a lot easier.
Once you have sections and 14-game seasons, already, it is tough to do anything.
I think California will end up with something like eight teams in each of six brackets or something like that. But that could take 30 years.
It is very hard to add playoff games, because you eventually have to knock out a regular season game or two, and if most of your teams miss the playoffs every year, they are not going to want to give up a game.
Illinois has nine regular season games. Almost everyone else seems to have ten.
Bordertown
02-01-08, 04:17 PM
No doubt with 128 of 245 teams making the playoffs, entry is not that difficult. But to be considered a "Champion" in Texas in the 4A & 5A level you must win 6 playoff games. A young team can "grow" with good coaching and be a factor in the playoffs.
The positive from a high school football perspective is most teams are still contenders until week 9 or 10. School spirit and interest in high when in other states the student body has moved on to basketball.
The purists in baseball enjoy the limited participation in the playoffs. But come September in half the MLB cities the sports fans have forgotten the sport. I suspect the deflation of the the helium balloon occurs at the high school level where a team is out of the playoff picture in week 6. In Texas, interest exists at most schools at least through week 8. That means more gate for a school to fund its athletic programs.
As has been explained numerous times on this board, the football playoffs fund the high school athletic, music and academic competition in Texas. 4A will go to a 4 team playoff system in 2008. I estimate the additional revenue to the UIL will exceed $300,000 with nominal additional expenses.
Laugh as you wish, but there is some sound logic. What Texas fans would like to see is either a new Classification developed or a 7th game. But when the season ends the Saturday before Christmas, it is not practical.
But any of the neysayers are welcomed to attempt a 6 week playoff stretch with possibly a 2-8 in week one are welcomed. Your are focusing on the wrong games that comprise the 6 week gauntlet.
I agree, four is too many. It's a pretty close ratio to the NBA where about 1/2 the teams get in.
On the other hand (there's always another hand) the Texas HS football playoffs are very, very cool. Having so many teams participate is fun for lots and lots of people. A football purist won't like it, but the fans, and expecially the students, seem to love it if excitement and attendance is any indication.
True, and there are examples of third/fourth place teams doing very well, but it's silly to see 3-7 teams in the playoffs. Not going to change though. Oh well.
consumerman
02-01-08, 04:27 PM
prefer them to a non-system or a system that avails itself to corruption or politics.
Huh?????
I stand by all this concern over who got realigned where doesnt mean much when 4 teams in a league qualify for post season
consumerman
02-01-08, 04:29 PM
Certainly they matter. Who is likely to play an out of state game, Permain with one game that they can schedule or SLC who has five?
why would slc scehdule an out of state game when according to the coach the best competition in the country is within 20 miles
and/or
why would you expose yourself to more asskickings
why would slc scehdule an out of state game when according to the coach the best competition in the country is within 20 miles
and/or
why would you expose yourself to more asskickings
Because there will not be teams w/an open date in week 5 within twenty miles, although they could set up a 6-5A vs. 11-5A type thing. Are you not paying attention?
I would add the coach that made that statement is no longer there. You knew that though.
Chicago
02-01-08, 04:41 PM
Couldn't they televise this on the Fox regional network or whatever it is?
I'd watch.
It would be like the NCAA basketball selection show, with a little NFL draft (Jets and Eagles fans booing) thrown in.
They'd announce a district, people would cheer or boo, and then they could interview coaches and fans.
Some Abilene parent would say "If they think I'm driving to Dallas four times a year, they are freakin' nuts."
And then he'd drive to Dallas four times that year.
Certainly they matter. Who is likely to play an out of state game, Permain with one game that they can schedule or SLC who has five?
Funny enough, it appears Permian may be playing BTW in Florida as their only non district game.
Bordertown
02-01-08, 04:43 PM
prefer them to a non-system or a system that avails itself to corruption or politics.
Huh?????
I stand by all this concern over who got realigned where doesnt mean much when 4 teams in a league qualify for post season
It was the most anticipated day since the end of the high school football season in Texas. Hard for someone who does not rub elbows with fans from other schools expect in the cyberworld to understand. Today they shot off the gun and coaches and fans are learning who they will play the next two years. For months people speculate on who will be in a district, today the puzzle begins to be solved.
I an out of state game is going to occur, it needs to happen in the next two weeks.
Chicago
02-01-08, 04:44 PM
I might go to that.
Pied, when is week 1?
I might go to that.
Pied, when is week 1?
It would have to be Zero week or Week 1. The article says 8/31. Also Poly/MNW.
KICKOFF CLASSIC: Lara and Harris both confirmed Thursday that their teams will be participating in one heck of a preseason high school kickoff classic Saturday, August 30th at FIU. According to both coaches, their teams will be part of a three-game showcase presented by Nike at FIU's new stadium. Long Beach Poly is supposed to take on defending national champion Miami Northwestern. Booker T. will play Odessa Periman (Tex.) -- the school the show Friday Night Lights was based on. And Pahokee, the Class 2B state champions, are supposed to take on a team from Tennessee. "It was supposed to be us against Northwestern and St. Thomas against Booker T.," Pahokee coach Blaze Thompson said. "But St. Thomas already had another game scheduled. We're still not sure who we are playing, but its going to be a great night for high school football."
Don't know if Permian may have second thoughts since this would be there only non-district game.(My specualtion)
Don't know this to be accurate, but picked it off the new TheOldCoach. Shows SLC w/two openings, and one game w/11-5A.
Southlake Carroll ? Plano West, Cedar Park, Mesquite (Still looking for Week 4 opponent)
Because there will not be teams w/an open date in week 5 within twenty miles, although they could set up a 6-5A vs. 11-5A type thing. Are you not paying attention?
I would add the coach that made that statement is no longer there. You knew that though.
Like I said, Consumerman has no honest interest in discussing Texas realignments.
Funny enough, it appears Permian may be playing BTW in Florida as their only non district game.
EEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR Scratch that...
Duncanville vs. Permian
New Duncanville coach Jeff Dicus takes the Odesssa Permian challenge in playing the rejuvenated Mojo in the Zero Week Abilene Classic the next two years.
Being looked for a Saturday night TV broadcast.
In a 9-team district, it'll be Permian's only game. Duncanville also has Garland, North Mesquite and DeSoto.
http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=421&tid=110366252&mid=110366252&sid=984&style=2
Couldn't they televise this on the Fox regional network or whatever it is?
I'd watch.
It would be like the NCAA basketball selection show, with a little NFL draft (Jets and Eagles fans booing) thrown in.
They'd announce a district, people would cheer or boo, and then they could interview coaches and fans.
Some Abilene parent would say "If they think I'm driving to Dallas four times a year, they are freakin' nuts."
And then he'd drive to Dallas four times that year.
funny
Man stuff is moving fast and furious, especially since it doesn't matter...
Cutting and pasting from another site.... link below:
SLC has Zero Week vs. Plano West (Landry Classic) Week 1 Arlington Week 2 Cedar Park Week 3 Mesquite National showdowns The Texas vs. National matchup games are to be announced in the next few weeks.. Euless Trinity, Cedar Hill, Colleyville Heritage, Arlington Bowie are among the Texas teams.
FM Marcus vs. Katy
Top non-district game in Week 5 to be played in Waco. Think a Saturday TV broadcast offer from Fox will be coming?
Arlington Bowie
Zero Week: National game at Texas Stadium (TBD)
Week 1: South Garland
Week 2: Skyline
Euless Trinity
National classic Texas Stadium
Cedar Hill
Allen
Keller
Fossil Ridge
http://www.theoldcoach.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=62410
OOOOOHHHHHHHIIIIIIIOOOOOOO guys ........ contrasts w/the above post, but check this out....
Arlington Bowie – out-of-state opponent (Kirk Herbstreit Classic), South Garland, Dallas Skyline, Dallas Kimball
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=378#s=378&f=3518&t=1955406&p=2
From a UT premium board(can't link), thought this was funny....
Just wondering if anyone else got the big rough end of the UIL today. Seriously, tonight just became a heavy drinking night for me...
From a UT premium board(can't link), thought this was funny....
from the same thread:
My dad did. It's small time South Texas football at a 2A school, but important to him nonetheless. He coaches at Banquete, probably never heard of it, and they've had a good team for the past decade or so. Next year they're supposed to be great and then today they get put in the same district with Refugio, Odem, Taft, Skidmore, Bloomington, and someone else. They go from being the district favorite to probably 2-4 in the new one. He's not too happy about it, but he's ready for the challenge.
Probably not National type news, but an insight to the process and its affects.
Don't know this to be accurate, but picked it off the new TheOldCoach. Shows SLC w/two openings, and one game w/11-5A.
Southlake Carroll ? Plano West, Cedar Park, Mesquite (Still looking for Week 4 opponent)
Cedar Park is 200 miles away from Southlake. Scheduling 5 non-district games will require a lot of travel.
OK more...
Some people got fired today... Cause they got put in districts they will not win... Some people got two-year contract extensions...
Some items from North Texas realignment central at the Birdville Fine Arts Center:
Southlake Carroll going national again?
Southlake Carroll coach Hal Wasson didn't want to have another national game like last year's Miami Northwestern game at SMU, but he couldn't find a Week 4 game.
"I've called everyone to fill it, I don't know what I'm going to do," Wasson said. "I had to call our marketing people about finding a (national) game."
SLC might have to make a game with Allen, but would prefer not to because they are in the same region.
The headaches of 6-team districts for all Lewisville ISD schools, Coppell and SLC.
What SLC has
Zero Week vs. Plano West (Landry Classic)
Week 1 Arlington
Week 2 Cedar Park
Week 3 Mesquite
National showdowns
The Texas vs. National matchup games are to be announced in the next few weeks.. Euless Trinity, Cedar Hill, Colleyville Heritage, Arlington Bowie are among the Texas teams.
http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=769050
Cedar Park is 200 miles away from Southlake. Scheduling 5 non-district games will require a lot of travel.
Guess that 20 mile radius didn't work out as well for Wasson as it did Dodge.(just kidding)
Some people got fired today... Cause they got put in districts they will not win... Some people got two-year contract extensions...
Some items from North Texas realignment central at the Birdville Fine Arts Center:
Southlake Carroll going national again?
Southlake Carroll coach Hal Wasson didn't want to have another national game like last year's Miami Northwestern game at SMU, but he couldn't find a Week 4 game.
"I've called everyone to fill it, I don't know what I'm going to do," Wasson said. "I had to call our marketing people about finding a (national) game."
SLC might have to make a game with Allen, but would prefer not to because they are in the same region.
The headaches of 6-team districts for all Lewisville ISD schools, Coppell and SLC.
What SLC has
Zero Week vs. Plano West (Landry Classic)
Week 1 Arlington
Week 2 Cedar Park
Week 3 Mesquite
A national game in week 4 or week 5? That's a tough one. I don't see it happening. The whole country is in the middle of district/league play by then.
A national game in week 4 or week 5? That's a tough one. I don't see it happening. The whole country is in the middle of district/league play by then.
Marcus is laying KAty the same week. You would think the 6 team districts have paired up as best they could. Could SLC only have 9 games? maybe I guess.
What if the only team they could get was some scrub oklahoma/Louisiana team? That would play great on these boards.
I'l stand by my earlier thoughts, district play will be tough, Plano West may be VERY good. Don't know about Cedar Park though. Tough 400 mile road trip though(round trip), especially before playoffs...
Guess that 20 mile radius didn't work out as well for Wasson as it did Dodge.(just kidding)
The 20 mile radius comment was from Conlooneyman.
The actual comment from Coach Dodge was more like "I don't see the benefit of traveling across the country to play when we can find plenty of good competition in Texas."
consumerman
02-01-08, 07:13 PM
Southlake Carroll coach Hal Wasson didn't want to have another national game like last year's Miami Northwestern game at SMU, but he couldn't find a Week 4 game.
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If I was SLC I would be CS as well to get another asskicking
consumerman
02-01-08, 07:34 PM
The 20 mile radius comment was from Conlooneyman.
The actual comment from Coach Dodge was more like "I don't see the benefit of traveling across the country to play when we can find plenty of good competition in Texas."
especially when you commit 5 turnovers and LOSE
especially when you commit 5 turnovers and LOSE
You know he wasn't the coach at the MNW game, right?
consumerman
02-02-08, 01:45 AM
You know he wasn't the coach at the MNW game, right?
so your argument is there were plenty of good local competition in 2006
then COach Dodge took a college job
and all the good local competition disappeared
is that it?
Bordertown
02-02-08, 10:39 AM
prefer them to a non-system or a system that avails itself to corruption or politics.
Huh?????
You don't think that the California Bowl avails itself for politics to decide "Who's In and Who's Out"? You don't think in the 50 Sections of California football the "politics of political correctness" might not be at work as to "Who's In and Who's Out"?
I have already read your bias against the City Sections. How do these kids get a shot "if the man holds them down"?
I will take the flawed system in Texas any day. I am not a huge fan of the Ohio system primarily a young developing team can get knocked out of the equation early, even though in Wk #10 they may be one of the top teams in Ohio. But it is a system which everyone understands going into the season and it is consistent. Ohio is happy with it and it works in their "conference system".
CrusaderDidz
02-02-08, 02:41 PM
word is Trinity plays Long Beach Poly in the Laundry. Plano and SLC should also be invited to it. As for the rumor of Skyling and South Garland being in the Herbtriet I hope this is false. All those teams you mentioned would make texas look bad like 4-6 Tyler Lee did. They should invite two teams from Texas I'd say Trinity, Katy, Southlake, Plano, Abiliene, and maybe even Permian or Lufkin if they are truly looking for the best next year.
WoodyHayes
02-02-08, 04:10 PM
Southlake Carroll coach Hal Wasson didn't want to have another national game like last year's Miami Northwestern game at SMU, but he couldn't find a Week 4 game.
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If I was SLC I would be CS as well to get another asskicking Good ole Hal is probably sayin "No more National games" Lets keep er in the 20 mile radius rule if we can.:) :) :) But if they did play, at least the excuse for a loss from some posters would be, "We were tired from all that traveling" LOL
But as a sidenote, I heard Dallas Carter has been picked to perform Phantom of the Opera next year.
word is Trinity plays Long Beach Poly in the Laundry. Plano and SLC should also be invited to it. As for the rumor of Skyling and South Garland being in the Herbtriet I hope this is false. All those teams you mentioned would make texas look bad like 4-6 Tyler Lee did. They should invite two teams from Texas I'd say Trinity, Katy, Southlake, Plano, Abiliene, and maybe even Permian or Lufkin if they are truly looking for the best next year.
Who's to say the Ohio teams won't make Ohio look bad this year? ;)
consumerman
02-02-08, 08:21 PM
I have already read your bias against the City Sections.
Huh???????????????????????????????????????//
so your argument is there were plenty of good local competition in 2006
then COach Dodge took a college job
and all the good local competition disappeared
is that it?
I have absolutely no idea what point you are tring to make except that you hate SLC.
It's like you have Turrets. Normal conversation progressing, and you blurt crap out that really makes no sense.
TD mde the schedule that included ECA/DLS(sorry). The MNW game was not set up under his watch. Probably would have been, but he also should hardly be held accountable for the turnovers as he was busy getting his a$s kicked in Denton.
I doubt he has much to say about their non-district schedule these days.
OK, SLC. Rumors for the week five game. First was Cedar Hill. They are in a seven team district and each team will have a bye week during district play so that could have happened, but it's not. Don't think I would like a non-district game during district play.
One thing we know is Plano West at the Tom LAndry Classic. If I understand it correctly, that would leave them w/an early date in '09.
The next four are:
Arlington
Mesquite
Houston Bellaire(both in SL)
Galena Park North Shore
All H/H except Bellaire. GPNS is in a six team district in Houston. Makes sense and should be a huge matchup in Texas.
Also of note, they are the second smallest school in the district. No scenario at all that they go D1 the next two years.
OK, SLC. Rumors for the week five game. First was Cedar Hill. They are in a seven team district and each team will have a bye week during district play so that could have happened, but it's not. Don't think I would like a non-district game during district play.
One thing we know is Plano West at the Tom LAndry Classic. If I understand it correctly, that would leave them w/an early date in '09.
The next four are:
Arlington
Mesquite
Houston Bellaire(both in SL)
Galena Park North Shore
All H/H except Bellaire. GPNS is in a six team district in Houston. Makes sense and should be a huge matchup in Texas.
Also of note, they are the second smallest school in the district. No scenario at all that they go D1 the next two years.
SLC is going to have some terrific games this year. I believe 6 opponents (Lewisville, Marcus, Arlington, North Shore, Mesquite, and Hebron) won state titles in recent years. Not to mention newer opened schools Flower Mound and Plano West which will field very good teams. The regular season SOS will be very strong.
Other SLC notes:
1. Riley Dodge was named to the Parade All-America Team. Well deserved. MNW had two players named (Harris, Fortson).
2. SLC won another state title on Saturday. You'll have to guess what the competition was.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:28 AM
I have absolutely no idea what point you are tring to make except that you hate SLC.
It's like you have Turrets. Normal conversation progressing, and you blurt crap out that really makes no sense.
TD mde the schedule that included ECA/DLS(sorry). The MNW game was not set up under his watch. Probably would have been, but he also should hardly be held accountable for the turnovers as he was busy getting his a$s kicked in Denton.
I doubt he has much to say about their non-district schedule these days.
nice avoidance of the issue
now was there great local competition in 2006 then not in 2007?
SLC is going to have some terrific games this year. I believe 6 opponents (Lewisville, Marcus, Arlington, North Shore, Mesquite, and Hebron) won state titles in recent years. Not to mention newer opened schools Flower Mound and Plano West which will field very good teams. The regular season SOS will be very strong.
Other SLC notes:
1. Riley Dodge was named to the Parade All-America Team. Well deserved. MNW had two players named (Harris, Fortson).
2. SLC won another state title on Saturday. You'll have to guess what the competition was.
Arlington's only state title was 1951 as a 2A school. Coach has great lines though. Not a bad team to schedule at all. Would like to see Lamar/SLC matchup when the Vikes decide to be competitive again.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:29 AM
Guess that 20 mile radius didn't work out as well for Wasson as it did Dodge.(just kidding)
as evidenced here
nice avoidance of the issue
now was there great local competition in 2006 then not in 2007?
There were both years. I do not understand the issue, pleae state what question you are trying to ask.
I must be dumb, because I do not see how Dodge scheduling to play DLS in '07 had anything to do with 5 turnovers against MNW w/Wasson at the helm, nor how Dodge's thoughts in '06 are relevant to SLC scheduling for 08/09.
as evidenced here
Question for you. Do you think that SLC having to schedule Houstin teams into October has anything to do w/realignment?
Bordertown
02-04-08, 11:34 AM
2. SLC won another state title on Saturday. You'll have to guess what the competition was.
I will take a quess - Club Lacrosse.
I will take a quess - Club Lacrosse.
Nope. It was Robotics. LOL
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:38 AM
Seems to be (like usual) way over your head
thats what happens when you just try to post smartass posts
SLC coaches have stated that they dont need to schedule tough out of state non-league opponents because the best competition in the nation is within a 20 mile radius
SLC now has open dates due to realignment and SLCDad says that SLC will have a tough time scheduling non-league games locally and will have to travel 200 miles
that is the inconsistency you noted in your comment I guess the 20 mile radius did not work out as well for Wasson as it did for Dodge
MOST ASTUTE followers would realize that Dodge's comment was just a smokescreen for being chicken and afraid to travel and building up a record in close to home games against patsies
Arlington's only state title was 1951 as a 2A school. Coach has great lines though. Not a bad team to schedule at all. Would like to see Lamar/SLC matchup when the Vikes decide to be competitive again. Thanks for the correction. I was thinking they had a title in the 1990's.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:39 AM
I heard Riley Dodge made tha all american bloody nose team
and Tre Newton made the all american choke fumbler team
SLC coaches have stated that they dont need to schedule tough out of state non-league opponents because the best competition in the nation is within a 20 mile radius.
Consumerman, get your facts straight. This statement is false.
If you want to know the truth, I'll tell you. Otherwise, I won't bother.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:42 AM
2. SLC won another state title on Saturday. You'll have to guess what the competition was.
best smirkiness in I love myself stories/pictures in perfect city articles?
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:43 AM
Consumerman, get your facts straight. This statement is false.
If you want to know the truth, I'll tell you. Otherwise, I won't bother.
please DONT Bother
until the end of time
only give us more details on lunch meetings with lunatics (besides yourself) in omaha
SLC now has open dates due to realignment and SLCDad says that SLC will have a tough time scheduling non-league games locally and will have to travel 200 miles.
You are wacky and clueless.
SLC's regular season schedule is now set for the next two years and it looks like it will probably be one of the toughest schedules in Texas and probably the nation.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:46 AM
You are wacky and clueless.
SLC's regular season schedule is now set for the next two years and it looks like it will probably be one of the toughest schedules in Texas and probably the nation.
i think the universe
you selled them short
having the hardest schedule in the nation just isnt enough
y'all
good god
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:47 AM
PS
which national out of state power on their schedule would you rate as significant?
SLC coaches have stated that they dont need to schedule tough out of state non-league opponents because the best competition in the nation is within a 20 mile radius.
Conlooneyman, which "SLC coaches" stated this? LOL LOL
Please get a clue before you post.
consumerman
02-04-08, 11:50 AM
2. SLC won another state title on Saturday. You'll have to guess what the competition was.
best smirkiness in I love myself stories/pictures in perfect city articles?
ok maybe that's not it
maybe best excuse making ("we had all these sophomores playing just their third game"), (but we coulda shoulda woulda played better and won had riley dodge not gotten destroyed in the playoffs")???
Seems to be (like usual) way over your head
thats what happens when you just try to post smartass posts
SLC coaches have stated that they dont need to schedule tough out of state non-league opponents because the best competition in the nation is within a 20 mile radius
SLC now has open dates due to realignment and SLCDad says that SLC will have a tough time scheduling non-league games locally and will have to travel 200 miles
that is the inconsistency you noted in your comment I guess the 20 mile radius did not work out as well for Wasson as it did for Dodge
MOST ASTUTE followers would realize that Dodge's comment was just a smokescreen for being chicken and afraid to travel and building up a record in close to home games against patsies
Not true. Coach Dodge made those comments while Hal Wasson was at Fossil Ridge. I sincerely doubt that Todd consulted Hal at that time.
Todd Dodge was at UNT when SLC played MNW. Todd Dodge was at UNT when SLC learned their new district and scheduled their 08/09 opponenets.
HERE IS THE POINT YOU ARE MISSING well one of them.
There are no opponenets withing 20 miles to schedule in week 4/5 nor without. Teams all across the metroplex as well as the country are playing league/district games and cannot schedule them. That is why they must schedule teams that are in a similar postition as they are. Those teams are in Houston.
THAT IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS REALIGNMENT IS IMPORTANT.
Not true. Coach Dodge made those comments while Hal Wasson was at Fossil Ridge. I sincerely doubt that Todd consulted Hal at that time.
Todd Dodge was at UNT when SLC played MNW. Todd Dodge was at UNT when SLC learned their new district and scheduled their 08/09 opponenets.
HERE IS THE POINT YOU ARE MISSING well one of them.
There are no opponenets withing 20 miles to schedule in week 4/5 nor without. Teams all across the metroplex as well as the country are playing league/district games and cannot schedule them. That is why they must schedule teams that are in a similar postition as they are. Those teams are in Houston.
THAT IS ONE OF THE MANY REASONS REALIGNMENT IS IMPORTANT.
Pied, by the way, even Coach Dodge never made those statements (Consumerman made it up). He never said anything about a 20 mile radius.
Back in the 2004-05 school year Coach Dodge said he would play anybody. However, he didn't see the point of traveling thousands of miles to play a football game when there was plenty of great competitiion in Texas. Frankly, it's wacky that Consumerman still brings it up (and he gets it wrong). It's been a non-issue for a long time.
Pied, by the way, even Coach Dodge never made those statements (Consumerman made it up). He never said anything about a 20 mile radius.
Back in the 2004-05 school year Coach Dodge said he would play anybody. However, he didn't see the point of traveling thousands of miles to play a football game when there was plenty of great competitiion in Texas. Frankly, it's wacky that Consumerman still brings it up (and he gets it wrong). It's been a non-issue for a long time.
I am aware of that. I think he has commented several times about that and it has been reported. The comments have also been distorted by us, the internet fans. I think this is the most attributed comment:
COACH: How do you feel about playing travel games? Are you a proponent of this developing trend of inter-state powerhouses playing one another? Is it more than just a matter of state pride on the line? What do the kids get out of it?
DODGE: I'm not a fan of it because of the nature of high school football in the state of Texas. We can't get real hung up on going out of state and playing these national games. As soon as we do, we're going to get our heads knocked off by somebody 10 miles away. I can understand how teams in other states maybe want to do it, but there are 245 5A high schools in Texas. The competition is unbelievable. That said, we are going to play teams outside the state of Texas. But in both cases they are coming here. At this point in the development of our program, I would not take our team outside Texas to play a game.
COACH: Can you confirm a rumor that Southlake will be playing De La Salle in the near future?
DODGE: We will. This season we're hosting Evangel Christian of Shreveport, LA at our stadium. And next season we're playing De La Salle at Southern Methodist U
http://content.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=7086
In any case, this has ZERO to do with why they are playing Bellaire/GPNS.
WoodyHayes
02-04-08, 06:50 PM
Does anyone think Longview will win a state title at 4A? They will now be in the same district as Marshall and Texas High along with some weaker opponents. I see Longview and Texas High blowing through and on rare years, Marshall to the title game. I think Longview and Texas High will become a great rivalry.
RockinL
02-05-08, 12:02 PM
Does anyone think Longview will win a state title at 4A? They will now be in the same district as Marshall and Texas High along with some weaker opponents. I see Longview and Texas High blowing through and on rare years, Marshall to the title game. I think Longview and Texas High will become a great rivalry.
At one time back in my day...Texas High, Marshall and Longview were in the same district.
Longview will be very competitive in 4A although the coaches are already trying to reinforce the fact to the players that there are some really, really quality programs in 4A and DONT GET THE BIGHEAD!
With programs like LaMarque, Marshall, Texas High, Stephenville, Denton-Ryan, etc..., it should be very interesting.
On a side note....Longview has a very tough pre-district schedule this opening with Allen at Allen.
An interesting (or not) result of the realignment on SLC is that EVERY school on SLC's 2008 schedule will be larger than SLC. All 5 non-district opponents are larger (Plano West and North Shore have well over 4,000 students) and SLC will be the smallest school in it's district by the time the 2008 season starts. Hebron's enrollment submitted last year for realignment purposes was slightly lower than SLC's but Hebron is growing so fast it is probably larger today and will certainly be larger by the football season.
Of course none of this has any impact on what happens on the football field.
consumerman
02-05-08, 08:47 PM
Of course none of this has any impact on what happens on the football field.
then what is the point of the post?????????????????????
Of course none of this has any impact on what happens on the football field.
then what is the point of the post?????????????????????
Not my statement, but I'll take a stab. I can think of two reasons.
1. If SLC wins out, every single win will be over larger schools. Kind of the little engine that could story.
2. There is no way they can go D1 in the playoffs in 08/09.
consumerman
02-06-08, 10:14 AM
Not my statement, but I'll take a stab. I can think of two reasons.
1. If SLC wins out, every single win will be over larger schools. Kind of the little engine that could story.
2. There is no way they can go D1 in the playoffs in 08/09.
it is ok
whatever division they get put in, we have learned is always the much stronger division:rolleyes:
it is ok
whatever division they get put in, we have learned is always the much stronger division:rolleyes:
If you think that, then you would have to assume that D2 would be the stronger Division over the next two years. Impossible for them to meet up w/Trinity again, but maybe Cedar Hill.
DISTRICT 5
Justin Northwest 3,005
Euless Trinity 2,984
Keller Central 2,928
Keller 2,923
Hurst Bell 2,665
Colleyville Heritage 2,461
Grapevine 2,212
Keller Fossil Ridge 2,145
DISTRICT 6
Lewisville 3,671
Lewisville Flower Mound 2,997
Coppell 2,962
Lewisville Marcus 2,906
Southlake Carroll 2,545
Lewisville Hebron 2,513
DISTRICT 7
South Grand Prairie 3,718
Duncanville 3,697
Irving MacArthur 2,852
Irving Nimitz 2,790
Irving 2,734
Cedar Hill 2,513
Grand Prairie 2,166
DISTRICT 8
Plano East 5,852
Plano 5,215
Allen 4,837
Plano West 4,229
Wylie 2,745
McKinney Boyd 2,275
Dallas Jesuit 1,029
Just playing what if's. They will be playing someone from their old district in round one.
Round 2 could be Cedar Hill. If not the school the play will probably be 1.5 times as large.
Don't look for Jesuit in the post season the next two years....
Chicago
02-06-08, 11:06 AM
Pied, how did your beloved Arlington Lamar make out?
Lamar is in 4-5A w/the AISD and Mansfield schools. Pretty good break I guess. Certainly Mansfield Summit and Bowie would be D2 so if they are able to make the playoffs(which sucks to have to say) they would be D1.
DISTRICT 1
El Paso Franklin 3,116
El Paso Americas 2,877
El Paso El Dorado 2,827
El Paso Socorro 2,822
El Paso Montwood 2,669
El Paso Hanks 2,367
El Paso Coronado 2,366
El Paso Eastwood 2,232
El Paso Bel Air 2,189
DISTRICT 2
Odessa 3,951
Odessa Permian 3,301
Midland 3,021
San Angelo Central 2,993
Midland Lee 2,813
Lubbock Monterey 2,356
Lubbock Coronado 2,240
Lubbock 2,206
Amarillo Tascosa 2,166
Amarillo 2,111
DISTRICT 3
Burleson 2,577
Haltom City 2,575
North Crowley 2,434
Abilene 2,404
Fort Worth Paschal 2,257
Weatherford 2,136
Richland 2,104
DISTRICT 4
Arlington Martin 3,350
Arlington 3,004
Arlington Lamar 2,994
Arlington Bowie 2,986
Arlington Houston 2,956
Mansfield 2,175
Mansfield Summit 2,154
If they went, it is possible that they would play Abilene in the first round. IF they were to make it to the second round they would be playing a West TX/El Paso school. Weird times.....
They could potentially have zero playoff games in the metroplex.
For anyone interested, here is a link to a thread on a Texas board that shows a map of the new Texas re-alignments.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=26395
For anyone interested, here is a link to a thread on a Texas board that shows a map of the new Texas re-alignments.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=26395
By the way, in the first map you can see Southlake Carroll (medium blue). You can also see how close Euless Trinity (light blue) is to SLC. Because of the lake north of Southlake (Lake Grapevine) it's a longer drive to all of SLC's new district opponents except one than it would have been to Trinity. Would have loved to have seen SLC and Trinity in the same district. Maybe in 2010.
consumerman
02-08-08, 09:45 PM
For anyone interested, here is a link to a thread on a Texas board that shows a map of the new Texas re-alignments.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=26395
maybe that would be more appropriate for a texas board, not an ohio board
maybe that would be more appropriate for a texas board, not an ohio board
OK Next time I won't post a map showing Texas re-alignments on a thread about Texas re-alignments. LOL
I suppose the 15+ threads that you started about California football including updates on single DLS games and various rounds of the California playoffs would be more appropriate on a California board. LOL
yallerjacket
02-10-08, 07:14 AM
OK Next time I won't post a map showing Texas re-alignments on a thread about Texas re-alignments. LOL
I suppose the 15+ threads that you started about California football including updates on single DLS games and various rounds of the California playoffs would be more appropriate on a California board. LOL
You don't understand. DLS played in Ohio once, so they are relevant on a National board. SLC hasn't played in Ohio, so they aren't relevant on a National board. Wait...That really didn't make sense, did it?
You don't understand. DLS played in Ohio once, so they are relevant on a National board. SLC hasn't played in Ohio, so they aren't relevant on a National board. Wait...That really didn't make sense, did it?
Yep, exactly.
Consumerman doesn't comprehend that this national board was created because of all of the Texas talk over on the Yappi Ohio board. It goes back to 2004 when many Ohio people thought that Colerain should have been #1 instead of SLC. Then SLC declined the offer to play in the first Herbie which Tyler Lee accepted and played Colerain in 2005. These are the events (and others) that caused this National Board to be created in the first place.
WoodyHayes
02-10-08, 02:04 PM
Nope. It was Robotics. LOL
What did they build? All kidding and razzing aside, how are you guys looking for next year? Are you going to be traveling more? I only looked at Longviews district.
What did they build? All kidding and razzing aside, how are you guys looking for next year? Are you going to be traveling more? I only looked at Longviews district.
From earlier:
OK, SLC. Rumors for the week five game. First was Cedar Hill. They are in a seven team district and each team will have a bye week during district play so that could have happened, but it's not. Don't think I would like a non-district game during district play.
One thing we know is Plano West at the Tom LAndry Classic. If I understand it correctly, that would leave them w/an early date in '09.
The next four are:
Arlington
Mesquite
Houston Bellaire(both in SL)
Galena Park North Shore
All H/H except Bellaire. GPNS is in a six team district in Houston. Makes sense and should be a huge matchup in Texas.
Also of note, they are the second smallest school in the district. No scenario at all that they go D1 the next two years
From earlier:
OK, SLC. Rumors for the week five game. First was Cedar Hill. They are in a seven team district and each team will have a bye week during district play so that could have happened, but it's not. Don't think I would like a non-district game during district play.
One thing we know is Plano West at the Tom LAndry Classic. If I understand it correctly, that would leave them w/an early date in '09.
The next four are:
Arlington
Mesquite
Houston Bellaire(both in SL)
Galena Park North Shore
All H/H except Bellaire. GPNS is in a six team district in Houston. Makes sense and should be a huge matchup in Texas.
Also of note, they are the second smallest school in the district. No scenario at all that they go D1 the next two years
Woody asked about SLC traveling. Here are the locations of the pre-district games:
Plano West - Texas Stadium or SMU
Arlington - Dragon Stadium
Mesquite - Mesquite Memorial Stadium
Bellaire - Dragon Stadium
North Shore - Dragon Stadium
All pre-district games will be played in the Dallas area in 2008. SLC will travel to Houston to play North Shore in 2009.
In 2008 SLC has 2 district games at home and 3 on the road. Total is 5 home and 5 away.
Bellaire(Houston) will be coming to Southlake for the next two years. Seems a bit odd, but the way the schedule falls they wanted to ensure five home games.
I have not seen if the Plano West is a two year deal, or if they will have an openeing in the first week of '09, or have another opponenet in the Landry Classic.
Anyone?
consumerman
02-11-08, 09:51 PM
Woody asked about SLC traveling. Here are the locations of the pre-district games:
Plano West - Texas Stadium or SMU
Arlington - Dragon Stadium
Mesquite - Mesquite Memorial Stadium
Bellaire - Dragon Stadium
North Shore - Dragon Stadium
All pre-district games will be played in the Dallas area in 2008. SLC will travel to Houston to play North Shore in 2009.
In 2008 SLC has 2 district games at home and 3 on the road. Total is 5 home and 5 away.
how is a game at texas stadium an away game?
plano west are the tennants of texas stadium?
yallerjacket
02-12-08, 06:22 AM
how is a game at texas stadium an away game?
plano west are the tennants of texas stadium?
Troublemaking troll.
y'all
Bordertown
02-12-08, 08:22 AM
how is a game at texas stadium an away game?
plano west are the tennants of texas stadium?
1) Good question because it is an away game for both teams. But Plano as the home team will have the administrative responsibilities.
2) no. I suspect neither home stadium is large enough to hold the antipated gate for the teams crowds.
how is a game at texas stadium an away game?
plano west are the tennants of texas stadium?
The game was designated as an away game for SLC and a home game for Plano West.
In 2004 SLC had a pre-district "home" game against Midland Lee at the Alamodome in San Antonio (5 hours away). That year SLC played more games at Texas Stadium than at Dragon Stadium.
SLC wanted to have 5 games at Dragon Stadium in 2008 for many reasons, one of which was money. Home football games in Southlake are a BIG EVENT for the community so they don't like to have less than 5 if possible.
consumerman
02-12-08, 03:24 PM
The game was designated as an away game for SLC and a home game for Plano West.
Like I thought
SLC has 6 of 10 games in a home game arena situation
try another spin
The game was designated as an away game for SLC and a home game for Plano West.
Like I thought
SLC has 6 of 10 games in a home game arena situation
try another spin
Umm I would suggest TS is a neutral site at best. Do you know where Plano is?
The game was designated as an away game for SLC and a home game for Plano West.
Like I thought
SLC has 6 of 10 games in a home game arena situation
try another spin
LOL You are a hoot!
Please tell us . . . . what is "a home game arena situation"? LOL
I guess BOTH Plano West AND SLC will play this game in "a home game arena situation". LOL
You are funny
Bordertown
02-13-08, 08:47 AM
yallerjacket had it right.
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