View Full Version : SLC Remains in National Top 3
With the CNNSI poll still unavailable, SLC drops to 3rd in the nation. MNW and StX are almost tied for #1 with MNW slightly ahead. Katy Texas is #4.
It appears the pollsters still have a lot of respect for SLC after watching the SLC/MNW game.
By the way, the new Texas AP poll lists Katy #1 and SLC #2 in Texas.
http://calpreps.com/2007/polls_view.htm
consumerman
09-17-07, 11:11 PM
you are really desperate arent you
get over your loss
no one ever starts a thread titled my team dropped from #1 to #3
a more apporpriate title would have been MNW still (or new) #1
we're #3
we're #3
we're #3
pitiful
MNW took a mercy knee at the end. SLC got dropped at home. Shut out for the 2nd half... #3 my tuckus.
MNW took a mercy knee at the end. SLC got dropped at home. Shut out for the 2nd half... #3 my tuckus.
SLC went toe to toe with the best team in the history of Florida high school football. Despite a fumble on the MNW 6 yard line, an interception in the endzone and 3 more turnovers the outcome was still undecided until that last few minutes of the game. SLC held the MNW offense to one TD in the 2nd half and exept for a blown coverage leading to a wide open receiver and a 75 yard TD pass, the MNW offense would not have scored in the 2nd half.
SLC is correctly ranked in the top 5 in the nation.
Chicago
09-18-07, 09:23 AM
It's nice to see that you still have internet access in the asylum.
I have no idea what SLC looked like last year, or what they looked like in their first game, or what they will look like the rest of the year.
But in the game I saw, they looked like they had an offense predicated on sending a lot of decent, but not great, athletes out on every pass and giving them enough time to eventually get open, at which point a very, very accurate QB would throw them the ball. As soon as the OL started getting handled, that ship sailed. It didn't help that they weren't athletic enough to beat the defenders to the ball if they were covered.
And on defense, they couldn't match up. The strip was big, the muffed punt was big, the ridiculous personal foul on the sack was big, and that all counts, of course, but other than the first SLC drive, SLC didn't seem very imposing.
I have a little bit of an idea what a top high school football team looks like. Last year I saw DLS (number one USA Today for a while), Lakeland, Byrnes, St. Xavier (all in the top five at one point or another), Oaks Christian (number six at the end), Orange Lutheran (number 13 at the end), Wheaton-Warrenville South (number 16 at the end), Canyon Country (number 20 at the end), and Lincoln-Way East (number 10 at one point), all in person (obviously, I have issues, as they say).
SLC looked better than some of those and worse than some of those.
Congratulations on suddenly becoming such an expert on the history of Florida high school football, by the way. I'm sure if Permian knocked off SLC they'd be "the best team in the history of 3-5A," despite the many national rankings in the past for Permian and Lee.
I'm fine with SLC being ranked in the top five right now. But if MNW loses (as unlikely as that may seem), SLC should move down, not up.
PrepNation
09-18-07, 09:25 AM
MNW took a mercy knee at the end. SLC got dropped at home. Shut out for the 2nd half... #3 my tuckus.
Did you watch the game Concha?
Northwestern won the game convincingly, but it was a not a blowout.
If you want to talk about if's and but's, remember that Carroll was ready to score to go up 28-21 at the half if Newton had not fumbled at the 10 yard line.
Bottom line: It was only the second time in six seasons that Carroll has lost a game ... and they lost to one of the most talented high school teams I have ever seen.
Right now, there isn't much to make think that Carroll still isn't the best team in Texas.
Where they go from here, is yet to be seen.
consumerman
09-18-07, 10:20 AM
It is too bad SLC is down this year and put up a pitiful showing their first time on a national stage.
Blown coverages
no running game
turnover city
offensive line manhandled
QB misfired
star running back choked
too bad SLC is down and got manhandled in their first chance to prove that winning those Texas playoffs where 3-7 and 5-5 teams get in meane something
there is always next year
Did you watch the game Concha?
Northwestern won the game convincingly, but it was a not a blowout.
If you want to talk about if's and but's, remember that Carroll was ready to score to go up 28-21 at the half if Newton had not fumbled at the 10 yard line.
Bottom line: It was only the second time in six seasons that Carroll has lost a game ... and they lost to one of the most talented high school teams I have ever seen.
Right now, there isn't much to make think that Carroll still isn't the best team in Texas.
Where they go from here, is yet to be seen.
Posted by a true non-biased expert.
It is too bad SLC is down this year and put up a pitiful showing their first time on a national stage.
Blown coverages
no running game
turnover city
offensive line manhandled
QB misfired
star running back choked
too bad SLC is down and got manhandled in their first chance to prove that winning those Texas playoffs where 3-7 and 5-5 teams get in meane something
there is always next year
I think Consumerman is reacting to all of the grief that I gave him when DLS lost. Frankly, I don't blame him.
Chicago
09-18-07, 10:49 AM
Posted by a true non-biased expert.
Awwwwwwwwww.
That's cute.
By the way, it only took me 446 posts to learn how to use the Quote thing.
consumerman
09-18-07, 10:55 AM
Mr. Contradiction
How many times have you posted that preseaon and early season rankings are meaningless??
Then why would you start a thread posting where SLC is ranked on Sept 15 for pete's sake
could it be that you are scrambling FOR ANYTHING after your team got manhandled on national television??
could it?
Mr. contradiction STRIKES AGAIN
Mr. Contradiction
How many times have you posted that preseaon and early season rankings are meaningless??
Then why would you start a thread posting where SLC is ranked on Sept 15 for pete's sake
could it be that you are scrambling FOR ANYTHING after your team got manhandled on national television??
could it?
Mr. contradiction STRIKES AGAIN
LOL You are funny.
I thought it was interesting to see that the experts (unlike the homers on this site) still have tons of respect for SLC.
The game was a battle between the top 2 teams in the nation and MNW won in a close game.
BobcatBomber
09-18-07, 02:05 PM
Bottom line: It was only the second time in six seasons that Carroll has lost a game ... and they lost to one of the most talented high school teams I have ever seen.
Second time in 6 seasons? And now your polls are based on the record of the last 6 seasons?? I thought we all took just one season at a time :shrug:
All that should matter is they lost to a better team: they are 1-1. There have to be too many other very talented teams in the country to have SLC still in the top 5.
Second time in 6 seasons? And now your polls are based on the record of the last 6 seasons?? I thought we all took just one season at a time :shrug:
All that should matter is they lost to a better team: they are 1-1. There have to be too many other very talented teams in the country to have SLC still in the top 5.
While I see your point BB, as a somewhat unbiased observer of the game, SLC is still a pretty darn good team. I think SLC/X would be a very tight game, and if we're under the assumption that X is a top 5 team, I have no problem with SLC still being up there.
BobcatBomber
09-18-07, 02:35 PM
While I see your point BB, as a somewhat unbiased observer of the game, SLC is still a pretty darn good team. I think SLC/X would be a very tight game, and if we're under the assumption that X is a top 5 team, I have no problem with SLC still being up there.
There are PLENTY of "pretty darn good teams" who are still undefeated.
But I just think it's a severe slap in the face for the dozens of other teams in the top 25 or beyond who ARE undefeated. There are so many teams in the country and on any given year we replace several top 25 teams with others deserving the same ranking. Why clutter it with teams who've lost when many more do what they can and run the tables?
The top 25 is what, some insanely low percentage of the number of HS teams in the nation. If you lose, I just think you don't deserve the lofty status.
yallerjacket
09-18-07, 03:14 PM
There are PLENTY of "pretty darn good teams" who are still undefeated.
But I just think it's a severe slap in the face for the dozens of other teams in the top 25 or beyond who ARE undefeated. There are so many teams in the country and on any given year we replace several top 25 teams with others deserving the same ranking. Why clutter it with teams who've lost when many more do what they can and run the tables?
The top 25 is what, some insanely low percentage of the number of HS teams in the nation. If you lose, I just think you don't deserve the lofty status.
The top 25 should be, well, the top 25. If the pollsters believe SLC is the third best team in the country, SLC should be ranked third. Period. It doesn't matter how many other teams are undefeated. If LSU and USC played this weekend and USC beat them by 8 pts, should LSU automatically drop behind every other decent undefeated team? I think not.
naughty
09-18-07, 03:19 PM
LOL You are funny.
I thought it was interesting to see that the experts (unlike the homers on this site) still have tons of respect for SLC.
The game was a battle between the top 2 teams in the nation and MNW won in a close game.
You got your --- handed to you on a plate. And it makes me so happy. That SLC lost. I dont dis like slc but you i cant stand. Slc was dominated in that game. That game was not close. Northwestern turns it over and makes lots of mistakes. You got so many homer calls and still lost. Like the punt that was clearly dowed at the 1 yet called a touchback. And also many out of bounds passes called in.
But what makes my day and week SLCdad. Is northwestern scored on a southlake carroll play taken from the carroll offense. Guess what they called that offensive play. SOUTHLAKE :crush: .
Chicago
09-18-07, 03:21 PM
Wow. I agree with Naughty. I need to take a long, hard look at what I've done with my life.
But it is what it is. And he's right.
Although he forgot to mention the aboslutely ridiculous personal foul call on the sack.
Too bad SLC didn't have a defensive play they called "Miami."
yallerjacket
09-18-07, 03:29 PM
Wow. I really thought some of you guys were more classy than you've turned out to be. I have much more respect for SLC Dad for losing with class than the rest of you who have just decided to pile on and talk trash about the kids in Southlake, who are just like kids in any other school.
Chicago
09-18-07, 03:37 PM
A) I have not picked on the Southlake kids.
B) You have obviously not read D Magazine.
You got your --- handed to you on a plate. And it makes me so happy. That SLC lost. I dont dis like slc but you i cant stand. Slc was dominated in that game. That game was not close. Northwestern turns it over and makes lots of mistakes. You got so many homer calls and still lost. Like the punt that was clearly dowed at the 1 yet called a touchback. And also many out of bounds passes called in.
But what makes my day and week SLCdad. Is northwestern scored on a southlake carroll play taken from the carroll offense. Guess what they called that offensive play. SOUTHLAKE :crush: .
Your analysis of the game is so faulty it isn't even funny.
Your errors:
1. SLC had 5 turnovers. They won't beat anybody with five TOs. If SLC plays their normal mistake free game, they beat MNW (who is a better team). SLC three an interception to an open receiver in the endzone AND Tre Newton fumbled on the 6 yard line. Both were mistakes by SLC. Change either play and SLC just about wins. MNW had only three TOs.
2. On the punt, the momentum of the player and the ball carried both into the end zone. By rule that is a touchback even though it was first touched on the 1.
3. All of the side line pass plays were good except for one. Check the replays.
4. MNW got most of the breaks in the game. I believe they were the better team. However, if the breaks and mistakes were even, SLC wins.
5. Did you notice the stats? They were pretty much equal in both rushing and passing. The only real difference was turnovers.
6. MNW had much better athletes (which we all knew), however, if SLC eliminates a couple of huge mistakes they would have won.
Congrats to MNW, they deserved to win. However, SLC had plenty of chances to win the game. The game wasn't decided until very late in the 4th. SLC's last three drives ended in interception, interception and missed chip shot FG.
Chicago
09-18-07, 03:47 PM
Naughty:
Don't you realize that if SLC had scored 47 more points, and MNW had scored 27 fewer points, SLC would have won 68-2?
Now THAT is domination.
Chicago
09-18-07, 03:48 PM
I am not aware that there is such a thing as a chip shot field goal in high school.
Just ask Naughty.
Lakeland's 2006 guy was terrible (at least at the Herbie).
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-18-07, 04:43 PM
You got your --- handed to you on a plate. And it makes me so happy. That SLC lost. I dont dis like slc but you i cant stand. Slc was dominated in that game. That game was not close. Northwestern turns it over and makes lots of mistakes. You got so many homer calls and still lost. Like the punt that was clearly dowed at the 1 yet called a touchback. And also many out of bounds passes called in.
But what makes my day and week SLCdad. Is northwestern scored on a southlake carroll play taken from the carroll offense. Guess what they called that offensive play. SOUTHLAKE :crush: .
MNW
QB-Jacory Harris = 7 rushes for -13 yds/21 of 28, for 282 yds/4 tds (Harris combined for 269 yds of offensive production.)
WR-Aldarius Johnson = 9 receptions for 56 yds
WR-Tommy Streeter = 4 receptions for 139 yds (35 ypc)
RB-Daquan Hargrett = 11 rushes for 66 yds (66 total yds)
SLC
QB-Dodge = 10 rushes for 25 yds/ 22 of 30, for 269 yds/2 ints/2 tds (Dodge combined for 294 yds of offensive production.)
WR-Brainard = 8 receptions for 116 yds (14.5 ypc)
WR-Cantu = 7 receptions for 50 yds
WR-Cunningham = 3 receptions for 23 yds
RB-Newton = 13 rushes for 41 yds/3 receptions for 39 yds (80 total yds)
358 yds vs 305 yds (53 yds difference)
21 1st downs vs 17 1st downs
MNW - 2 Sacks, SLC - 1 Sack
MNW - 2 turnovers, SLC - 5 turnovers
MNW - had good pressure on Dodge, SLC - had good pressure on Harris
Nothing about this game was "dominant"... except a 6'5 (4.4) WR named Streeter. Please, God... let him change his committ to Oklahoma. Excellent hands and athlete. Reminds me of Malcolm Kelly.. tall, graceful and speedy. And given the size and speed of MNW, SLC - who was undersized and inexperienced on defense - held their own.
Great game. I hope SLC and MNW can schedule it, again, for next year.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-18-07, 04:53 PM
Naughty:
Don't you realize that if SLC had scored 47 more points, and MNW had scored 27 fewer points, SLC would have won 68-2?
Now THAT is domination.
No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)...kicking the crud out of Miami.. 51-13. THAT is domination...
1st Downs
Miami - 7
OU - 25
Total Yards
Miami - 139
OU - 411
QB Completion %
Miami - 49%
OU - 76%
Rushing
Miami - 26 rushes/51 yards (1.9 ypc)
OU - 43 rushes/170 yards (4.0 ypc)
No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)...kicking the crud out of Miami.. 51-13. THAT is domination...
Please refer to them as "traitors".
Thanks
consumerman
09-18-07, 05:22 PM
Congrats to MNW, they deserved to win. However, SLC had plenty of chances to win the game. The game wasn't decided until very late in the 4th. SLC's last three drives ended in interception, interception and missed chip shot FG.
the same could be said of both trinity and the championship game
SLC was fortunate to win those games which the other team could have easily won
same story from the other side
you can't accept one without the other (2)
reminds me of the perfect city article that said something like slc has dominated and walked through their playoffs - being behind in the second of 6 playoff games late in the 4th quarter does not equal what the article represented - another reason that article was bad for SLC
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it is (sorry) the old dallas cowboy apologist reasoning
when we win it's because we were the better team and we outplayed them
when we lose it's because dang our player fumbled inside the 10 yard line and shoot that interception was almost a TD and heck the ref called us for holding when we made a crucial first down
the better team won
the better team took a mercy knee to not run up the score
the slc offense did not show up
Congrats to MNW, they deserved to win. However, SLC had plenty of chances to win the game. The game wasn't decided until very late in the 4th. SLC's last three drives ended in interception, interception and missed chip shot FG.
the same could be said of both trinity and the championship game
SLC was fortunate to win those games which the other team could have easily won
same story from the other side
you can't accept one without the other (2)
reminds me of the perfect city article that said something like slc has dominated and walked through their playoffs - being behind in the second of 6 playoff games late in the 4th quarter does not equal what the article represented - another reason that article was bad for SLC
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it is (sorry) the old dallas cowboy apologist reasoning
when we win it's because we were the better team and we outplayed them
when we lose it's because dang our player fumbled inside the 10 yard line and shoot that interception was almost a TD and heck the ref called us for holding when we made a crucial first down
the better team won
the better team took a mercy knee to not run up the score
the slc offense did not show up
I think you would find the Southlake fans to be the first ones to say they were lucky to win the Trinity and Westlake games.
I also don't follow you're reasoning.
You dismiss the fumble at the 5 and the int in the endzone, but harp on MNW taking a knee. Why do you want it both ways?
It would appear to me to be hater reasoning.
consumerman
09-18-07, 05:35 PM
I think you would find the Southlake fans to be the first ones to say they were lucky to win the Trinity and Westlake games.
I also don't follow you're reasoning.
You dismiss the fumble at the 5 and the int in the endzone, but harp on MNW taking a knee. Why do you want it both ways?
It would appear to me to be hater reasoning.
almost every game (at 14 points or less differential) can be said to be possibly changed ona few key plays
no einstein moment there
slc has had good fortune to win a few close games
they did not win this game and 9 points is certainly under 14 but takling a knee kept it from being 16
turn off the woulda coulda shoulda
slc was fortunate to escape with some wins this past year
the luck ran out against mnw
almost every game (at 14 points or less differential) can be said to be possibly changed ona few key plays
no einstein moment there
slc has had good fortune to win a few close games
they did not win this game and 9 points is certainly under 14 but takling a knee kept it from being 16
turn off the woulda coulda shoulda
slc was fortunate to escape with some wins this past year
the luck ran out against mnw
I don't disagree fundamentally with what you are saying and think there are too many people trying to exlplain this loss. There will be time to discuss it, but for now the response shuld in my opinion be " Congrats Bulls".
That being said, read the part bolded above. Don't you find that funny? Also the lead was 8, if they were to score a TD, it would have made the lead 15 not 16.
consumerman
09-18-07, 05:43 PM
I don't disagree fundamentally with what you are saying and think there are too many people trying to exlplain this loss. There will be time to discuss it, but for now the response shuld in my opinion be " Congrats Bulls".
That being said, read the part bolded above. Don't you find that funny?
actually i think there is a fundamental difference between taking a knee by choice not to run up the score and saying if we didnt fumble or if we had better pass coverage
one is a choice
the other is a shoulda coulda woulda
i see a major difference between the 2
I think you would find the Southlake fans to be the first ones to say they were lucky to win the Trinity and Westlake games.
Lucky to win the Westlake game? SLC scored TDs on their last six straight possessions. I wouldn't call that luck. (It would have been their last seven straight possessions except for an interception at the one yard line.) SLC was clearly better than Westlake even though Westlake was a great team.
Lucky to win the Trinity game? I think it's more correct to say that the game could have gone either way. Both teams played well enough to win. That was the "real" state title game. Coach Lineweaver has been skewered for his fake punt call. However, people forget the Trinity/Tyler Lee game two years earlier. That game had almost the exact same situation. In that game, Trinity punted after which Tyler Lee drove 60+ yards for the winning TD. Since SLC had moved the ball very well on it's previous two possessions no doubt Lineweaver felt his best chance was the fake punt. I was in the office of a major Trinity football booster about two weeks ago. He knows Coach Lineweaver well and said that is exactly what Lineweaver was thinking.
WoodyHayes
09-18-07, 07:43 PM
Your analysis of the game is so faulty it isn't even funny.
Your errors:
1. SLC had 5 turnovers. They won't beat anybody with five TOs. If SLC plays their normal mistake free game, they beat MNW (who is a better team). SLC three an interception to an open receiver in the endzone AND Tre Newton fumbled on the 6 yard line. Both were mistakes by SLC. Change either play and SLC just about wins. MNW had only three TOs.
2. On the punt, the momentum of the player and the ball carried both into the end zone. By rule that is a touchback even though it was first touched on the 1.
3. All of the side line pass plays were good except for one. Check the replays.
4. MNW got most of the breaks in the game. I believe they were the better team. However, if the breaks and mistakes were even, SLC wins.
5. Did you notice the stats? They were pretty much equal in both rushing and passing. The only real difference was turnovers.
6. MNW had much better athletes (which we all knew), however, if SLC eliminates a couple of huge mistakes they would have won.
Congrats to MNW, they deserved to win. However, SLC had plenty of chances to win the game. The game wasn't decided until very late in the 4th. SLC's last three drives ended in interception, interception and missed chip shot FG. FIVE FORCED TURNOVERS. They were hitting SLC so hard it was hurting me. Lucky they only got beat and bloodied by 8. Save some tears DAD, they aint done losin this year. Bet on it.
Chicago
09-19-07, 07:40 AM
"No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)...kicking the crud out of Miami.. 51-13. THAT is domination..."
Ooh, ooh...my turn.
46-3 in the Cotton Bowl (sorry, Pied).
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-19-07, 03:11 PM
actually i think there is a fundamental difference between taking a knee by choice not to run up the score and saying if we didnt fumble or if we had better pass coverage
one is a choice
the other is a shoulda coulda woulda
i see a major difference between the 2
I'm trying to understand why people automatically assume MNW would've scored, at the end of the game, but SLC couldn't have scored before Newton fumbled on the 5 yard line?? Had it not been for that fumble.. would you just pencil in a td - for SLC, just like people are penciling in a td - for MNW - at the end of the game??
"No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)...kicking the crud out of Miami.. 51-13. THAT is domination..."
Ooh, ooh...my turn.
46-3 in the Cotton Bowl (sorry, Pied).
That day sucked, from waking up in my own vomit that morning, to my seats behind a column, the 20 degree weather, one of our RB's getting knocked out on the opening kickoff, to the pathetic display by the horns.
The game was just one bad part of it for me.....
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-19-07, 03:25 PM
That day sucked, from waking up in my own vomit that morning, to my seats behind a column, the 20 degree weather, one of our RB's getting knocked out on the opening kickoff, to the pathetic display by the horns.
The game was just one bad part of it for me.....
Miami was awesome, led by Ex-Dallas Carter LB-Jessie Armstead and Russell Maryland. It only gets worse for UT fans (besides the 5 turnovers).. the only 2 teams to beat Miami, that year, was Notre Dame and BYU. The same BYU team that was beaten 65-14 by non other than... TEXAS A&M!!! And the same Notre Dame that was beaten by Colorado, for the National Title. Crazy times!!
But yep.. 46-3 is definitely domination, all right! I thought Texas would never hear the end of it.
consumerman
09-19-07, 03:26 PM
I'm trying to understand why people automatically assume MNW would've scored, at the end of the game, but SLC couldn't have scored before Newton fumbled on the 5 yard line?? Had it not been for that fumble.. would you just pencil in a td - for SLC, just like people are penciling in a td - for MNW - at the end of the game??
there is a major difference between a forced turnover amd voluntarily taking a mercy knee
are you that dense???????
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-19-07, 03:30 PM
there is a major difference between a forced turnover amd voluntarily taking a mercy knee
are you that dense???????
Dense?? Hilarious! You're the one saying it was a mercy knee. My guess is that you assume MNW would've definitely scored another td. Well, if you can assume that, I can assume that if Newton didn't have butterfingers, SLC would've scored a td before halftime.. making it 28-21, at half.
All of these assumptions are pointless, btw.
consumerman
09-19-07, 03:58 PM
I can assume that if Newton didn't have butterfingers
if that is a description of your star running back you deserved to lose by more than 8
i think polls are really a crapshoot. think about it. Ill use SI as an example. they had northwestern and SLC ranked higher than st. xavier, meaning that the expert that made the poll thought that slc and northwestern could beat st. xavier. then, northwestern and slc play and obvoiusly one team has to lose. well, what makes slc worse that st. xavier now? what, in the game against northwestern, did slc do that made a poll maker believe that all of a sudden st. xavier was better than them? they thought both teams were better before the game, why not after? they had to have expected that one team was going to lose and yet they still said the teams were better than st. x. does the pollster think that all of a sudden st. xavier could beat slc when before, he believed slc would beat st. x? this is coming from a st. x grad, i'm just using this scenario as an example and kind of wanted to see what everyone thought
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-19-07, 06:07 PM
I can assume that if Newton didn't have butterfingers
if that is a description of your star running back you deserved to lose by more than 8
Who's "you"??? I don't pull for SLC. I pull for any Texas team playing OOS.
steeler 01
09-19-07, 07:15 PM
Who's "you"??? I don't pull for SLC. I pull for any Texas team playing OOS.
Then you've been disappointed the only 2 times your teams have faced quality oos teams.
Then you've been disappointed the only 2 times your teams have faced quality oos teams.
ahem, Lamar-Rutherford, ECA and the East Texas schools(Lufkin/Longview etc.), Chaminade....
or are we only counting when Texas teams lost
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-20-07, 09:14 AM
Then you've been disappointed the only 2 times your teams have faced quality oos teams.
Not dissapointed, at all.
In regards Tyler Lee (2005)...
They went up to Ohio and played Ohio's #2 team, to a 27-12 loss.
Total Yards
Colerain - 332
Tyler Lee - 262
1st Downs
Colerain - 16
Tyler Lee - 13
Turnovers
Colerain - 1
Tyler Lee - 2
Passing yds
Colerain - 0
Tyler Lee - 187
Rushing yds
Colerain - 332
Tyler Lee - 75
My take: The team that has the ball less and makes more mistakes should lose... as was the case, here. Good win for Colerain. Colerain went on to lose to eventual state champs, St. Xavier. Outside of Xavier, Tyler Lee proved to be their toughest contest of the season. Tyler Lee came back to Texas and finished the season (4-6), with blowout losses to Longview (35-7), John Tyler (42-7) and Euless Trinity (43-14). On a good note, Lee did beat 1 team with a winning record, that year. Chaminade, Fla went on to win their 2A State Title. Many Florida Polls had them ranked as a Top 10 team. I'm not dissapointed. I feel Lee overachieved, in playing Colerain.
In regards to SLC (2007)...
SLC lost 8 players on defense and played a team that had, at least, 7 athletes that were ranked in the National Top 25, respectively, at their postion. (QB, WR, WR, OL, DL, DE, LB). Show me a team that has even half that talent.
Obviously, we know SLC lost..
Total yds
MNW - 358
SLC - 324
1st Downs
MNW - 21
SLC - 17
Turnovers
MNW - 3
SLC - 5
Passing yds
MNW - 280
SLC - 260
Rushing yds
MNW - 78
SLC - 64
My take: No need to make any excuses. MNW simply made fewer mistakes and took advantage of opportunities, when it counted. The game was 28-21, and could've gone either way. SLC plays tonight against what appears to be a tough Rockwall team. I believe they're ranked #15 or #16 in State by the 5ATFB guys. At the end of the season, we'll see what SLC and MNW was truly made of. If they both win state, I'd love to see a rematch. (By that time, SLC's defense would've jelled.) Not dissapointed, at all. SLC showed why they have been an elite Texas team, for so long, playing against a phsyically superior team.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-20-07, 09:15 AM
ahem, Lamar-Rutherford, ECA and the East Texas schools(Lufkin/Longview etc.), Chaminade....
or are we only counting when Texas teams lost
This is an Ohio board, pied... of course he's only counting when Texas teams lost...
This is an Ohio board, pied... of course he's only counting when Texas teams lost...
Despite the fact that he's not from Ohio either? If you're going to bust on Ohio posters, at least get it right. You're 0 fer 2 in that department so far, dude.
You seem kind of obsessed with that Lee game too, BTW. You're aware that was 2 years ago, right? Funny too how you never mention them losing 2 of their best players (including their stud QB) to injury soon after the Colerain game. But of course, that wouldn't fit well into your little spin machine.
So yes, they were a crappy team that played one of Ohio's best close in one game. Therefore Texas>Ohio. We get it. Your logic is irrefutable, and we bow to your knowledge. Happy now, sparky?
Chicago
09-20-07, 10:47 AM
Those sure are a lot of categories and numbers and such.
Has Texas ever thought of trying something like this?
Touchdown -- 6 points
Field Goal -- 3 points
Safety -- 2 points
Extra Point -- 1 point
Two-point Conversion -- there are a lot of ways to go with this, but I'll say, oh, I don't know...2 points
Just add them up as you go along, and whoever has the most points at the end wins.
I'll leave out the gratuitous shot at the penetrations/first downs/total yardage tiebreaker Texas used to use, which I thought was actually kind of interesting . Of course, it didn't really break ties; it just determined which team would advance.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-20-07, 02:39 PM
Despite the fact that he's not from Ohio either? If you're going to bust on Ohio posters, at least get it right. You're 0 fer 2 in that department so far, dude.
You seem kind of obsessed with that Lee game too, BTW. You're aware that was 2 years ago, right? Funny too how you never mention them losing 2 of their best players (including their stud QB) to injury soon after the Colerain game. But of course, that wouldn't fit well into your little spin machine.
So yes, they were a crappy team that played one of Ohio's best close in one game. Therefore Texas>Ohio. We get it. Your logic is irrefutable, and we bow to your knowledge. Happy now, sparky?
I already knew he (Chicago) wasn't from Ohio. "Chicago" does look like a pretty obvious username! I wasn't ripping on where he was from, I was ripping on what appeared to be his allegiance to Ohio. And this is an Ohio board, correct?? Maybe he doesn't salute Ohio. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, I should've worded it differently. Anyhow, what other thing am I 0 fer 1??
Also, tell me the other player, beside QB-Preston Hill, that was their "best player". Starting RB-Jason Williams played against Colerain and against Longview. He had 88 yds on 19 carries, against Colerain and 80 yds against 18 carries, on Longview. QB-Marcus Jackson threw 19 passes, completing 11 of them (64%) vs Longview. QB-Preston Hill threw 24 passes, completing 16 of them (66%) vs Colerain. Hill threw 2 ints vs Colerain, Jackson threw none vs Longview. Would there really have been a difference vs Longview?? I seriously doubt it. Many state polls had them ranked #1 or #2, all season long and they were upset in the 1st Round of the playoffs to South Garland.
After missing a few weeks, QB-Hill was back vs John Tyler and threw 11 passes, completing only 3. Hill being on that 2005 team didn't make much of a difference, in regards to how many games they would win. They beat 1 team (from Fla) with a winning record. John Tyler, Euless Trinity, Longview, Colerain, Mesquite and Rockwall were just better than them (in that order), and the stats/scores prove it.
I already knew he (Chicago) wasn't from Ohio. "Chicago" does look like a pretty obvious username! I wasn't ripping on where he was from, I was ripping on what appeared to be his allegiance to Ohio. And this is an Ohio board, correct?? Maybe he doesn't salute Ohio. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, I should've worded it differently. Anyhow, what other thing am I 0 fer 1??
Also, tell me the other player, beside QB-Preston Hill, that was their "best player". Starting RB-Jason Williams played against Colerain and against Longview. He had 88 yds on 19 carries, against Colerain and 80 yds against 18 carries, on Longview. QB-Marcus Jackson threw 19 passes, completing 11 of them (64%) vs Longview. QB-Preston Hill threw 24 passes, completing 16 of them (66%) vs Colerain. Hill threw 2 ints vs Colerain, Jackson threw none vs Longview. Would there really have been a difference vs Longview?? I seriously doubt it. Many state polls had them ranked #1 or #2, all season long and they were upset in the 1st Round of the playoffs to South Garland.
After missing a few weeks, QB-Hill was back vs John Tyler and threw 11 passes, completing only 3. Hill being on that 2005 team didn't make much of a difference, in regards to how many games they would win. They beat 1 team (from Fla) with a winning record. John Tyler, Euless Trinity, Longview, Colerain, Mesquite and Rockwall were just better than them (in that order), and the stats/scores prove it.
I was refering to your reply to pied who responded to steeler01, who is from CA. consumerman was actually that other, he is a DLS guy. Honestly, I can't think of anyone from OOS on here who has any kind of "allegiance" to Ohio.
As far as the injuries to TL, I watched a later season game they were playing on one of the sports channels. They were getting drilled by someone, and I just remember the announcers talking about a team with great potential being hit hard by the injury bug. The only player I remember was the QB, but they mentioned others. Like I said, it was two years ago! ;)
I don't mean to overly bust your nuts about it. I know before and after that game, things got heated on here on both sides. I just don't know anyone from here that even cares or talks about it anymore.
There are a buttload of posters on this board. Most of the knowledgeable ones (of which I think I am one lol) have big respect for football in TX/CA/FL/PA/IL and any others. I think if you read the threads about the SLC/MNW game, there was very little chest-thumping about how we could handle those teams with ease, etc. Most of the posts I saw said "Wow. Those are two pretty good football teams."
I happen to think that X could at least hang with either of them, but I wouldn't be foolish enough to say that they'd beat either one. Anyway, my $.02.
P.S. I gotta ask, what is an "oil spill state??":)
steeler 01
09-20-07, 03:24 PM
ahem, Lamar-Rutherford, ECA and the East Texas schools(Lufkin/Longview etc.), Chaminade....
or are we only counting when Texas teams lost
I'm just trying to have some fun with him pied. He reminds me of The Frog.
steeler 01
09-20-07, 03:27 PM
"No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)...kicking the crud out of Miami.. 51-13. THAT is domination..."
Ooh, ooh...my turn.
46-3 in the Cotton Bowl (sorry, Pied).
speaking of texas vs florida college teams. Who does everyone have tonight in the A&M vs Miami game? I have a big bet on Miami tonight.
Chicago
09-20-07, 03:32 PM
"I already knew he (Chicago) wasn't from Ohio. "Chicago" does look like a pretty obvious username! I wasn't ripping on where he was from, I was ripping on what appeared to be his allegiance to Ohio. And this is an Ohio board, correct?? Maybe he doesn't salute Ohio. Maybe I'm wrong."
How did I get pulled into this?
I thought you were attacking someone else (whoever said Texas teams always lose out-of-state or whatever it was).
I didn't know I had an allegiance to Ohio. I will have to get with the program.
Chicago
09-20-07, 03:33 PM
GCL is the best!
You Texas people are just haters.
speaking of texas vs florida college teams. Who does everyone have tonight in the A&M vs Miami game? I have a big bet on Miami tonight.
Don't have anyone, but I hope Miami big time.
I can see it now though on the FL boards though....
Chicago
09-20-07, 04:08 PM
"No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)..."
Weren't Billy Sims (Hooks), David Overstreet (Big Sandy, with Lovie Smith, I believe), Kenny King (Clarendon), and Thomas Lott all from Texas?
That was some backfield. They did lose to Texas in 1979, though (and 1977, too).
steeler 01
09-20-07, 04:17 PM
Don't have anyone, but I hope Miami big time.
I can see it now though on the FL boards though....
I usually don't post the breakdown of a game but here goes.
They are 3-0 heading into Miami but they have yet to face an opponent even worth mentionining.Beating the crap out of I-AA Montana State is nice and beating the crap out of UL Monroe is also nice but struggling to beat Fresno State is not good news considering what that program has become the last two or three years.The Aggies come into this game averaging a whopping 46.3 points per game but don't forget who they have played against. They have done that on 446.0 total yards of offense and 6.0 yards per play. Despite allowing a lot of points against Oklahoma, Miami's defense has actually been pretty solid allowing only 303.0 total yards of offense per game for 4.8 yards per play. We all know the Aggies love to run the ball and they have proved that with their 298.3 rushing yards per game and 6.4 yards per carry. Well just ask anyone who tried to run on Miami this year and they'll tell you it's tough against a defense that has allowed only 108.7 rushing yards per game on 2.9 yards per carry.That makes them a lot less effective and it means that QB Stephen McGee has to throw a lot more than he is used to. McGee has completed only 54.5% of his passes this season for 428 yards, 5.6 yards per pass attempt and 2 touchdowns (1 interception). Not too bad. He is up against a Miami defense that has allowed opposing QB's to complete 61.0% of their passes for 7.6 yards per pass attempt. So expect McGee to pass for well over 200 yards in this game but this all comes down to how stubborn the Aggies really are and if they are willing to move away from the run that much. Miami has 6 interceptions on the year and they also have 6 sacks...so we know they can make big plays. Regardless, the Aggies are going to score points in this game but they will struggle to move the chains when it matters and Miami's defense is going to come up with a few big plays to secure the big win.
So the last two games have not been impressive for the Canes, but this is a great chance for Randy Shannon to showcase himself and his team in front of a National TV audience. Since the year 2000, the Miami Hurricanes are a perfect 9-0 when playing on a Thursday Night and this is also another one of those wacky situations where the Canes play three straight home games. I mention that because Miami is 18-1 in their last 19 games that are part of a three game homestand so a lot of good factors point towards a Miami win in tonight's game. The Hurricanes come into this game averaging 22.3 points per game which is not bad at all and they have done it on 302.7 total yards of offense but more importantly on 5.1 yards per play which means that if they can run more plays, they'll definitely have more succcess on that side of the ball. The Texas A&M Aggies have yet to face anyone of any significance yet they have allowed 22.0 points per game this season on 384.7 total yards and 4.9 yards per play. On the ground, Miami RB's Javarris Jones and Graig Cooper have led this team to 172.0 rushing yards per game on 4.5 yards per carry. That's most definitely good news for Canes backers because Texas A&M relies too heavily on their defensive line to make big stops and if Cooper or Jones get into the second level (linebackers) they can do some serious damage against a defense that has allowed 154.7 rushing yards per game on 3.6 yards per carry this season. In the air, QB Kyle Wright is back in the driver's seat and he has completed 51.5% of his passes for 289 yards, 8.8 yards per pass attempt and 2 touchdowns (2 interceptions as well). Nothing impressive but definitely better than Kirby Freeman and I'll take his leadership over Freeman's anyday. There is no doubt in my mind that Wright can have a huge game against somewhat of a weak secondary. Texas A&M's defense has allowed opposing QB's to complete 58.1% of their passes for 6.6 yards per pass attempt and they have 4 interceptions. The only problem for them is that Miami's offensive line is outstanding and the Aggies don't have enough power pressure guys to force Wright into making the mistakes he usually makes. As long as Miami can keep things on the ground and pound away early in this game, the air attack will take care of itself and both WR's Darnell Jenkins and Lance Leggett will make some big plays. Miami will surprisingly have one of their best offensive outputs in a long time (have scored 30+ points only three times since the beginning of last season).
It's not a known secret that if you can shut down the run against Dennis Franchione run teams, you are going to have some success. Miami's defensive line and their group of LB's have done an outstanding job against the run this season and seeing how Texas A&M has yet to prove that they can have an effective passing attack, the Aggies are going to struggle big time once Miami shuts down their ground attack.. Miami's running attack is going to be a lot more effective than Texas A&M's in this one and Kyle Wright will see that when the running game works, some much better avenues usually open up in the passing game. This is on National TV and the Canes are gonna make a Randy Shannon like statement with a big win.
Prediction Miami 31 Texas A&M 17
"No, domination is Oklahoma (who has 45 Texans to 29 Oklahomans on their roster/12 Starting Texans)..."
Weren't Billy Sims (Hooks), David Overstreet (Big Sandy, with Lovie Smith, I believe), Kenny King (Clarendon), and Thomas Lott all from Texas?
That was some backfield. They did lose to Texas in 1979, though (and 1977, too).
Traitors all of them.....
I usually don't post the breakdown of a game but here goes.
Prediction Miami 31 Texas A&M 17
Thanks. I'd suggest mixing in a paragraph or two.
I hope you're right, but would prefer 42-10 or so. I wonder if the rain will have any impact. McGee is not a great, even a good passer at this point, but can make plays in the offense.
I wionder about your question to get the yards when it counts. It's a short list in my opinion of players I'd like to line up in short yardage situations. Lane is a fatass, but a good one.
The a$m defense is slow, but I hope the rain does not limit the passing too much.
Thought you might like this breakdown of the Texas-UCF game. Pretty good stuff.
http://rpongett.phpwebhosting.com/ut-ucf.html
WoodyHayes
09-20-07, 07:20 PM
Were number 3, Were number 3, Were number 3:grouphug: :grouphug:
DLSfanNW
09-20-07, 07:37 PM
OMG Dragons DOWN 21-7 end of the first quarter to Rockwall.
Two turnovers give the Yellowjackets a short field plus they give up an 80 yard punt return.
http://www.kkgmam.com/final/index2.html
WoodyHayes
09-20-07, 08:12 PM
FIVE FORCED TURNOVERS. They were hitting SLC so hard it was hurting me. Lucky they only got beat and bloodied by 8. Save some tears DAD, they aint done losin this year. Bet on it.
Posted last week by WW HAYES. SLC may not lose this one but they aint done gettin whupped on this year. Not by a stretch.
consumerman
09-20-07, 08:38 PM
Tied at half
28-28
If this is the third best team in the nation, I am an NBA hall of famer, all 5 4 1/2 of me
too bad SLC is so down this year
especially on their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage and not just beat those weak Texas wannabes
consumerman
09-20-07, 09:31 PM
35-35 third quarter
defense is not in SLC vocabulary
steeler 01
09-20-07, 09:54 PM
I usually don't post the breakdown of a game but here goes.
They are 3-0 heading into Miami but they have yet to face an opponent even worth mentionining.Beating the crap out of I-AA Montana State is nice and beating the crap out of UL Monroe is also nice but struggling to beat Fresno State is not good news considering what that program has become the last two or three years.The Aggies come into this game averaging a whopping 46.3 points per game but don't forget who they have played against. They have done that on 446.0 total yards of offense and 6.0 yards per play. Despite allowing a lot of points against Oklahoma, Miami's defense has actually been pretty solid allowing only 303.0 total yards of offense per game for 4.8 yards per play. We all know the Aggies love to run the ball and they have proved that with their 298.3 rushing yards per game and 6.4 yards per carry. Well just ask anyone who tried to run on Miami this year and they'll tell you it's tough against a defense that has allowed only 108.7 rushing yards per game on 2.9 yards per carry.That makes them a lot less effective and it means that QB Stephen McGee has to throw a lot more than he is used to. McGee has completed only 54.5% of his passes this season for 428 yards, 5.6 yards per pass attempt and 2 touchdowns (1 interception). Not too bad. He is up against a Miami defense that has allowed opposing QB's to complete 61.0% of their passes for 7.6 yards per pass attempt. So expect McGee to pass for well over 200 yards in this game but this all comes down to how stubborn the Aggies really are and if they are willing to move away from the run that much. Miami has 6 interceptions on the year and they also have 6 sacks...so we know they can make big plays. Regardless, the Aggies are going to score points in this game but they will struggle to move the chains when it matters and Miami's defense is going to come up with a few big plays to secure the big win.
So the last two games have not been impressive for the Canes, but this is a great chance for Randy Shannon to showcase himself and his team in front of a National TV audience. Since the year 2000, the Miami Hurricanes are a perfect 9-0 when playing on a Thursday Night and this is also another one of those wacky situations where the Canes play three straight home games. I mention that because Miami is 18-1 in their last 19 games that are part of a three game homestand so a lot of good factors point towards a Miami win in tonight's game. The Hurricanes come into this game averaging 22.3 points per game which is not bad at all and they have done it on 302.7 total yards of offense but more importantly on 5.1 yards per play which means that if they can run more plays, they'll definitely have more succcess on that side of the ball. The Texas A&M Aggies have yet to face anyone of any significance yet they have allowed 22.0 points per game this season on 384.7 total yards and 4.9 yards per play. On the ground, Miami RB's Javarris Jones and Graig Cooper have led this team to 172.0 rushing yards per game on 4.5 yards per carry. That's most definitely good news for Canes backers because Texas A&M relies too heavily on their defensive line to make big stops and if Cooper or Jones get into the second level (linebackers) they can do some serious damage against a defense that has allowed 154.7 rushing yards per game on 3.6 yards per carry this season. In the air, QB Kyle Wright is back in the driver's seat and he has completed 51.5% of his passes for 289 yards, 8.8 yards per pass attempt and 2 touchdowns (2 interceptions as well). Nothing impressive but definitely better than Kirby Freeman and I'll take his leadership over Freeman's anyday. There is no doubt in my mind that Wright can have a huge game against somewhat of a weak secondary. Texas A&M's defense has allowed opposing QB's to complete 58.1% of their passes for 6.6 yards per pass attempt and they have 4 interceptions. The only problem for them is that Miami's offensive line is outstanding and the Aggies don't have enough power pressure guys to force Wright into making the mistakes he usually makes. As long as Miami can keep things on the ground and pound away early in this game, the air attack will take care of itself and both WR's Darnell Jenkins and Lance Leggett will make some big plays. Miami will surprisingly have one of their best offensive outputs in a long time (have scored 30+ points only three times since the beginning of last season).
It's not a known secret that if you can shut down the run against Dennis Franchione run teams, you are going to have some success. Miami's defensive line and their group of LB's have done an outstanding job against the run this season and seeing how Texas A&M has yet to prove that they can have an effective passing attack, the Aggies are going to struggle big time once Miami shuts down their ground attack.. Miami's running attack is going to be a lot more effective than Texas A&M's in this one and Kyle Wright will see that when the running game works, some much better avenues usually open up in the passing game. This is on National TV and the Canes are gonna make a Randy Shannon like statement with a big win.
Prediction Miami 31 Texas A&M 17
Off by 3 up 1k!
DLSfanNW
09-20-07, 10:21 PM
So does Carroll drop after their dominating 49-42 win?
steeler 01
09-20-07, 10:26 PM
So does Carroll drop after their dominating 49-42 win?
I think they should be like 5 or 6th in the rankings. They did score at will on the 14th ranked team in 5A.
I love it. All these DLS fans following every play SLC makes. It's great.
A few comments about tonight's game:
1. Riley Dodge throws 7 TD passes.
2. SLC pretty much gives Rockwall their first 21 points. How? 1) A fumble deep in their own territory on the first possession. 2) The refs give Rockwall an interception on SLC's 2nd possession (deep in SLC territory) but the ball clearly bounced off the turf. 3) SLC kicks off and pins Rockwall back on their own 10 yard line. SLC is offsides so they kick again. This time the kick is returned for a TD.
3. Rockwall has a stud QB. Has multiple D1 offers.
4. Rockwall didn't play last week so they had two weeks rest. SLC had 5 days between games.
5. Rockwall traveled to Allen their last game and lost by 1 TD. Allen is one of the top teams in Texas.
6. Rockwall played an almost flawless game. (Their one TO was on the last play of the first half.)
7. This was a game that many SLC fans were worried about. With the very short week against a tough team we knew it wouldn't be easy. After falling behind early, SLC dominated the game.
8. SLC has a major problem with TOs. They had 2 TOs in the first quarter against both in-state teams (although 1 TO in tonights game was an officiating error.) and 5 TOs against MNW.
9. SLC has two starting offensive linemen out for the season.
10. SLC only punted once.
consumerman
09-20-07, 10:51 PM
So does Carroll drop after their dominating 49-42 win?
they are not a national top 25
steeler 01
09-20-07, 10:55 PM
they are not a national top 25
They are a top 25 team in the nation. They won't lose in Texas. No team in Texas can stop their offense. Katy runs the ball and SLC isn't a bad team at stopping the run. If a team is gonna beat Carroll in Texas their gonna have to spread the field and get some stops on Carroll, getting stops on Carroll will be very hard for these teams that didn't stop their offense last year.
So does Carroll drop after their dominating 49-42 win?
Actually, SLC did dominate the game. It was a good win against a well rested and very highly motivated Rockwall team.
SLC made mistakes early but pretty much dominated the rest of the game.
they are not a national top 25
SLC will keep their top 5 national ranking (currently ranked #3).
consumerman
09-20-07, 11:01 PM
They are a top 25 team in the nation. They won't lose in Texas. No team in Texas can stop their offense. Katy runs the ball and SLC isn't a bad team at stopping the run. If a team is gonna beat Carroll in Texas their gonna have to spread the field and get some stops on Carroll, getting stops on Carroll will be very hard for these teams that didn't stop their offense last year.
it has already been proven that winning in texas is meaningless when you get stomped in an interstate game as slc choked away 5 turnovers and its offense had 1 meaningful scoring drive
they are not a national top 25
I think you have SLC confused with that team in California that you've never seen play.
consumerman
09-20-07, 11:06 PM
they just showed a few HL from the MNW game on the ND - Birmingham ESPN2 broadcast
Dodge threw a wounded duck that any 7th grader could have thrown better that was picked
the MNW player almost signaled for a fair catch that is how much hang time it had
this is Texas version of an all-america QB???????
LMAO
it seems top 5 teams from Texas give up 49 points to SLC but a team from Florida holds them to 1 meaningul offensive scoring drive
there is no D in T E X A S
they just showed a few HL from the MNW game on the ND - Birmingham ESPN2 broadcast
Dodge threw a wounded duck that any 7th grader could have thrown better that was picked
the MNW player almost signaled for a fair catch that is how much hang time it had
this is Texas version of an all-america QB???????
LMAO
it seems top 5 teams from Texas give up 49 points to SLC but a team from Florida holds them to 1 meaningul offensive scoring drive
there is no D in T E X A S
I think you are jealous because Texas has TWO teams ranked higher than any team from California. LOL
By the way, who said Riley was an all-american QB? He is not. (When Texas offered him a scholly, it was as an "athlete" not a QB.)
consumerman
09-20-07, 11:11 PM
I think you are jealous because Texas has TWO teams ranked higher than any team from California. LOL
By the way, who said Riley was an all-american QB? He is not.
ummm you told us he was national player of the year last year (mainly because of throwing 40 times a game in which they won 50-0)
i know texans cant keep things straight
when tommy kramer from rice was the first team all-america QB in college, he was 3rd team SWC to 2 running QBs
texans
sheesh
Chicago
09-21-07, 07:23 AM
Well, it's settled, then.
SLC #3 in the nation (two spots behind a team they lost to by 8).
Rockwall #5 in the nation (two spots behind a team they lost to by 7).
By the end of the year, Texas will have a whole lot of teams that will be (or should be) nationally ranked, based on how close they came to SLC, or because they beat SLC.
Chicago
09-21-07, 07:24 AM
I love it. All these DLS fans following every play SLC makes. It's great.
A few comments about tonight's game:
1. Riley Dodge throws 7 TD passes.
2. SLC pretty much gives Rockwall their first 21 points. How? 1) A fumble deep in their own territory on the first possession. 2) The refs give Rockwall an interception on SLC's 2nd possession (deep in SLC territory) but the ball clearly bounced off the turf. 3) SLC kicks off and pins Rockwall back on their own 10 yard line. SLC is offsides so they kick again. This time the kick is returned for a TD.
3. Rockwall has a stud QB. Has multiple D1 offers.
4. Rockwall didn't play last week so they had two weeks rest. SLC had 5 days between games.
5. Rockwall traveled to Allen their last game and lost by 1 TD. Allen is one of the top teams in Texas.
6. Rockwall played an almost flawless game. (Their one TO was on the last play of the first half.)
7. This was a game that many SLC fans were worried about. With the very short week against a tough team we knew it wouldn't be easy. After falling behind early, SLC dominated the game.
8. SLC has a major problem with TOs. They had 2 TOs in the first quarter against both in-state teams (although 1 TO in tonights game was an officiating error.) and 5 TOs against MNW.
9. SLC has two starting offensive linemen out for the season.
10. SLC only punted once.
ROCKWALL IS NOT ON THE SLC 7!!!
ROCKWALL DID NOT JUST SCORE A TOUCHDOWN!!!
I don't know where you people are hearing these things.
ROCKWALL DID NOT JUST INTERCEPT A PASS!!!
THE SCOREBOARD IS WRONG, WRONG I TELL YOU!!! IT IS FULL OF LIES!!!
Chicago
09-21-07, 07:29 AM
SLCDad Propaganda Policy:
1) There were a lot of reasons that last game was close. Any moron can see that.
2) However, the next game will not be close. SLC will crush them. Any moron can see that.
Repeat after each game.
naughty
09-21-07, 07:49 AM
Lakeland had two days to get ready to play the #11 team in the state. And Lakeland won 30-6. Against a team that has way more talent then lakeland this year. Guess you can put together a good game plan in two days if you work hard enough.
Slc same about of time and squeaks a win.
Oh yea and should i mention the team lakeland play Boyd H. Anderson had TWO WEEKS to get ready for this game. Since they had a bye week last week. Lakeland again had TWO DAYS. SLC needs to move down to about #10. NO WAY should they not be in the top 25.
Chicago
09-21-07, 07:54 AM
You know Naughty doesn't want close wins to knock a team out.
How did Lakeland end up with a schedule that only had two days of rest? Who did the scheduling? The baseball coach?
On the other hand, I don't think everyone will show Naughty's consistency, if you know what I'm saying.
DLSfanNW
09-21-07, 08:01 AM
Dad,
The offense seemed to be able to almost score at will.
What did you think of the SLC defense? 42 is allot of points to give up for the #2 team in the land.
naughty
09-21-07, 08:14 AM
You know Naughty doesn't want close wins to knock a team out.
How did Lakeland end up with a schedule that only had two days of rest? Who did the scheduling? The baseball coach?
On the other hand, I don't think everyone will show Naughty's consistency, if you know what I'm saying.
What are you talking about. How did slc end up with a schedule that had them with little time to prepare. That has to be one of the dumbest questions i have ever heard. Thanks for telling me want i want tho, maybe i will look in to that sometime. :shrug:
Anyway when you put together a schedule and expect to play on friday. Then late monday of the game week you are told the game is moved to thursday. Not much you can do. Monday is over. Gameplan goes in to speed up mode on tuesday. And lakeland won 30-6. And again i say the team lakeland played had TWO WEEKS to get ready. Because they had a bye week last wek.
SLC should not drop out of the top 25. Or top 10.
Chicago
09-21-07, 08:25 AM
You made it sound like Lakeland played games two days apart.
I wanted to know how it happened.
However, Lakeland played on Friday, September 14 and Thursday, September 20. So it was actually six days apart.
Making a bigger deal about two days to prepare than about six days between games sounds more like SLCDad's M.O., but hey, everyone needs a role model.
DLSfanNW
09-21-07, 09:08 AM
I love it. All these DLS fans following every play SLC makes. It's great.
.Definatly NOT hanging on every play...but...
I was at the Loyola game when word came down that SLC lost last week. A bunch of us cheered.
SLC is an exciting team but I follow them kinda like I follow the Dallas Cowboys. As a 49ers fan I love it when they lose. Doesn't happen very much so it is kind of a big deal.
Also what else are you gonna do on a Thursday night?
Chicago
09-21-07, 09:10 AM
I only follow the interceptions.
That just makes it seem like I follow every play.
What are you talking about. How did slc end up with a schedule that had them with little time to prepare. That has to be one of the dumbest questions i have ever heard. Thanks for telling me want i want tho, maybe i will look in to that sometime. :shrug:
The scheduling of the two games that SLC played (5 days apart) was controlled by others.
The promoters scheduled the MNW/SLC game on a Saturday night. It was better for TV and for attendance.
With regard to the Rockwall game, Rockwall shares their stadium with another school. This week was the other school's homecoming so they were allowed to have the stadium on Friday which moved the SLC/Rockwall game to Thursday. The game last night was the 2nd year of a home/home agreement with Rockwall. SLC kept their commitment to play at Rockwall even though Rockwall moved the game to Thursday.
they just showed a few HL from the MNW game on the ND - Birmingham ESPN2 broadcast
Dodge threw a wounded duck that any 7th grader could have thrown better that was picked
the MNW player almost signaled for a fair catch that is how much hang time it had
this is Texas version of an all-america QB???????
LMAO
it seems top 5 teams from Texas give up 49 points to SLC but a team from Florida holds them to 1 meaningul offensive scoring drive
there is no D in T E X A S
Just curious, you posted all this crap for a week, not having watched the game?
I agree there does not appear to be any defense in Texas at this point.
consumerman
09-21-07, 10:18 AM
Just cureious, you posted all this crap for a week, not having watched the game?
I agree there does not appear to eb any defense in Texas at this point.
you have confused me
so i guess i post crap and you agree with what I post?
is that it?
Chicago
09-21-07, 10:30 AM
Pied:
You seem to have your spell check set to "Naughty."
Just trying to help.
Pied:
You seem to have your spell check set to "Naughty."
Just trying to help.
Thanks
you have confused me
so i guess i post crap and you agree with what I post?
is that it?
I agree with the point about the defense, but thought you watched the game based on some of the comments you made. Some of those include:
dodge, based on what I saw, would have trouble being first string on a juco team out here
Blown coverages
no running game
turnover city
offensive line manhandled
QB misfired
qb harrassed
big hits
those were not casued by a new defense with new players
Those statements appear to me, to be from someone who watched the game. Now it appears your insight comes from what other posters said.
DLSfanNW
09-21-07, 12:23 PM
Dad,
The offense seemed to be able to almost score at will.
What did you think of the SLC defense? 42 is allot of points to give up for the #2 team in the land.
Dad,
Did you respond to this or did I miss something?
consumerman
09-21-07, 12:49 PM
I agree with the point about the defense, but thought you watched the game based on some of the comments you made. Some of those include:
Those statements appear to me, to be from someone who watched the game. Now it appears your insight comes from what other posters said.
just stay away and quit worrying about EVERYTHING me
consumerman
09-21-07, 12:50 PM
slc is maybe top 3 in the nation is worst defenses
Dad,
The offense seemed to be able to almost score at will.
What did you think of the SLC defense? 42 is allot of points to give up for the #2 team in the land.
1/2 of those 42 points weren't given up by the defense. Rockwall scored 21 points before the SLC defense had hardly been on the field for 5 plays.
Having said that, the SLC defense is young and inexperienced. However, they should be fine by the time the playoffs arrive. Playing MNW would be a huge test for any defense. Did the SLC defense hold MNW to their lowest point output of the last two years? (and that was with 5 TOs.) Jacory Harris had high praise for the SLC defense. He should know.
Most SLC fans are confident that the defense will be fine by the time the games that really count arrive but we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.
Chicago
09-21-07, 01:03 PM
Maybe someday SLC will lose 217-7.
Consumerman will say "What kind of defense gives up 217 points?"
And SLCDad will say "210 of those were on the 30 interception returns for touchdowns -- the defense only gave up 7. I think a defense that only gives up 7 is pretty good. Especially since seven of the starters are in 4th grade."
just stay away and quit worrying about EVERYTHING me
Very good explanation.
Maybe someday SLC will lose 217-7.
Consumerman will say "What kind of defense gives up 217 points?"
And SLCDad will say "210 of those were on the 30 interception returns for touchdowns -- the defense only gave up 7. I think a defense that only gives up 7 is pretty good. Especially since seven of the starters are in 4th grade."
Maybe someday Chicago will actually contribute to the discussion , but don't hold your breath.
DLSFanNW asked my opinion of the SLC defense. He asked again when I didn't respond to his first post. So . . . . I responded.
Chicago
09-21-07, 01:30 PM
1) That WAS a contribution.
2) As far as useful facts and useful analysis, I don't think I'm close to trailing you, even though you have almost six times as many posts.
3) When you say something ridiculously delusional (almost all of your posts), it's not worth a serious response. Other posters tend to get more serious responses from me. They ask sensible questions, bring up interesting facts, and add helpful points of view. I could program four or five "SLC is the greatest, no matter what"-type messages into my Outlook and have them pop up 10 or 20 times a day, and it would be just like watching you post on this board.
consumerman
09-21-07, 01:47 PM
Did the SLC defense hold MNW to their lowest point output of the last two years
umm no and that does not even take into consideration the mercy knee
9/07/2007
MNW won a game in Florida vs. Homestead 28-18
9/15/2007
MNW 29, SLC 21
What is more points 28 or 29?
Daditis - once again you don't let the FACTS get in the way of your hyperbole
it's too bad SLC is such an embarrasment this year
3 games
one game with no defense (what's new) in a 49-42 come from behing lucky win
and getting beat handily in SLC's first ever chance to prove themselves on a national stage even though they had the home field and other major advantages
consumerman
09-21-07, 01:53 PM
PS mighty Homestead, which played NW about as even as SLC did (8 point loss vs. 10 point loss) is 2-2 YAWN
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-21-07, 04:09 PM
PS mighty Homestead, which played NW about as even as SLC did (8 point loss vs. 10 point loss) is 2-2 YAWN
"Homestead, which played MNW"... lost by 10 pts.. to a team that had, count'em, 6 turnovers. When you have 6 (or in SLC's case 5) turnovers, you SHOULD lose!! The fact that MNW had that many turnovers and still won, by 10 pts, say Homestead played the game of their lives and were still, probably, 30-40 pts worse than MNW.
Now, calculate what I just typed and apply that to the MNW vs SLC game. 5 turnovers to 3 turnovers... who's SUPPOSED to win?? Oh, that's right... MNW "FORCED" all SLC's turnovers and they kept SLC in the game, with SLC's 1 meaningful drive!!:Ohno: Yep, that's how SLC gained 324 yds of offense... it was that 1 meaningful drive!! LOL!! The jealousy and hatred is hilariously obvious!!!
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-21-07, 04:27 PM
Did the SLC defense hold MNW to their lowest point output of the last two years
umm no and that does not even take into consideration the mercy knee
9/07/2007
MNW won a game in Florida vs. Homestead 28-18
9/15/2007
MNW 29, SLC 21
What is more points 28 or 29?
Daditis - once again you don't let the FACTS get in the way of your hyperbole
it's too bad SLC is such an embarrasment this year
3 games
one game with no defense (what's new) in a 49-42 come from behing lucky win
and getting beat handily in SLC's first ever chance to prove themselves on a national stage even though they had the home field and other major advantages
How about this one... SLC was the first team since October 7, 2005 to score 21 pts on MNW. In a span of 23 games - since then, only 2 teams had scored 20 pts on MNW, and only 4 teams had scored more than 14 pts on them. The last time SLC gave up 29 pts was last years' D1 5A State Championship vs Austin Westlake... of whom they were down to at halftime.
I wouldn't call SLC an embarrassment. I'd put'em up against any team in Ohio or Cali. ----, I just watch Colerain play Mason, last week and I was bored to sleep, watching Colerain beat up on what appeared to be a below average 4A team in Texas. What was the final score?? 31-14?? No... I definitely wouldn't call SLC an embarrassment.
consumerman
09-21-07, 04:36 PM
The last time SLC gave up 29 pts was last years' D1 5A State Championship vs Austin Westlake
apparently you didnt see the game yesterday
21 in 1 q
28 at half
42 in game
is that more than 29?
can ANYONE in Texas add?
The jealousy and hatred is hilariously obvious!!!
I see you noticed that to.
These guys are unbelievable.
consumerman
09-21-07, 06:54 PM
The last time SLC gave up 29 pts was last years' D1 5A State Championship vs Austin Westlake
apparently you didnt see the game yesterday
21 in 1 q
28 at half
42 in game
is that more than 29?
can ANYONE in Texas add?
hey Dad you still say SLC held MNW to its lowest point total in 2 years?
DO YOU?????????????????????
try not even in 8 days fool
consumerman
09-21-07, 07:05 PM
I see you noticed that to.
These guys are unbelievable.
when your team is a joke you resort to arguing attendance totals and attacking other people
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-21-07, 10:00 PM
The last time SLC gave up 29 pts was last years' D1 5A State Championship vs Austin Westlake
apparently you didnt see the game yesterday
21 in 1 q
28 at half
42 in game
is that more than 29?
can ANYONE in Texas add?
Oops.. I should've said, before MNW.. and slightly after. Then again, I assume you'd overlook that and go right for whatever you can twist.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-21-07, 10:02 PM
when your team is a joke you resort to arguing attendance totals and attacking other people
WHen your team is a joke?? Ohhhh... so now SLC is a joke, because they lost to MNW, by 8 pts, and allowed another team to score 42 pts on them. Let me ask you.. if SLC is "truly" a joke, does that make MNW's win over them lesser?? Is MNW way overrated?? Should they not be the #1 team in the Nation, becuase they lost to a "joke"?? Riiiiight, I'll sit back and watch you twist this!! Talk about jokes!!
consumerman
09-21-07, 10:08 PM
WHen your team is a joke?? Ohhhh... so now SLC is a joke, because they lost to MNW, by 8 pts, and allowed another team to score 42 pts on them. Let me ask you.. if SLC is "truly" a joke, does that make MNW's win over them lesser?? Is MNW way overrated?? Should they not be the #1 team in the Nation, becuase they lost to a "joke"?? Riiiiight, I'll sit back and watch you twist this!! Talk about jokes!!
mnw beat a so-so florida team 28-18
mnw gave up 41 points in a preseason scrimmage
mnw scored 29 points on slc who got torched for 42 by a texas team
make ur own mind
consumerman
09-21-07, 10:10 PM
maxpreps had mnw the 18th rated team in the nation before playing slc and #3 after beating them
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 10:49 AM
mnw beat a so-so florida team 28-18
mnw gave up 41 points in a preseason scrimmage
mnw scored 29 points on slc who got torched for 42 by a texas team
make ur own mind
1) MNW beat a so-so Florida team, 28-18.......... while committing 6 turnovers.
2) MNW gave up 41 pts, in a "Pre-Season" game to a-now undefeated Top 10 team, in Florida, in Deerfield Beach.
3) MNW scored 29 pts (same as Austin Westlake, in 2006 State Final) on SLC (who gave up 5 turnovers - in which only 1 was forced)... who got torched for 42 pts by a team ranked #14 in Texas.
4) I'm asking you this question, twisterman... is MNW not worthy of being #1 in the Nation, since they only won by 8 pts to, who you feel is obviously, an overrated SLC team???
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 10:54 AM
maxpreps had mnw the 18th rated team in the nation before playing slc and #3 after beating them
Maxpreps currently has Colerain (#24) and 4 Cali teams (including 1 ranked at #2) in the Top 25. Now I know why I don't follow Maxpreps. Jokes with jobs!
consumerman
09-22-07, 10:54 AM
1) MNW beat a so-so Florida team, 28-18.......... while committing 6 turnovers.
2) MNW gave up 41 pts, in a "Pre-Season" game to a-now undefeated Top 10 team, in Florida, in Deerfield Beach.
3) MNW scored 29 pts (same as Austin Westlake, in 2006 State Final) on SLC (who gave up 5 turnovers - in which only 1 was forced)... who got torched for 42 pts by a team ranked #14 in Texas.
4) I'm asking you this question, twisterman... is MNW not worthy of being #1 in the Nation, since they only won by 8 pts to, who you feel is obviously, an overrated SLC team???
based on the first three games of the seasonI dont think SLC is a top 25 US team
not even close
based on the first three games of the season I dont think SLC is a top 25 US team.
Nobody cares what you think. Your posts are a joke.
The experts will keep SLC in the top 10 where they belong.
consumerman
09-22-07, 11:34 AM
Nobody cares what you think. Your posts are a joke.
The experts will keep SLC in the top 10 where they belong.
hey daditis still think slc held mnw to its lowest point total in 2 years?
or you gonna ignore another one of your factual (and blatant) mistakes?
consumerman
09-22-07, 11:35 AM
Maxpreps currently has Colerain (#24) and 4 Cali teams (including 1 ranked at #2) in the Top 25. Now I know why I don't follow Maxpreps. Jokes with jobs!
note two of those teams lost this week and they did not give up 42 points
hey daditis still think slc held mnw to its lowest point total in 2 years?
or you gonna ignore another one of your factual (and blatant) mistakes?
Hey consumerman you going to accuse a sixteen year old of being a drug user again because you dislike anonymous people on an internet message board?
consumerman
09-22-07, 11:37 AM
dad see post 102 and 108 and then give us your reply
hey daditis still think slc held mnw to its lowest point total in 2 years?
or you gonna ignore another one of your factual (and blatant) mistakes?
I NEVER claimed that. I asked the question and it was answered.
(I'm not sure you can read, but if you can, go back and check. It's you who made the mistake. LOL I also know you don't have the capacity to understand what happened in the two games in question. It's been been explained and discussed but you just ignore it. Grow up.)
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consumerman
09-22-07, 11:41 AM
Did the SLC defense hold MNW to their lowest point output of the last two years? (and that was with 5 TOs.)
post 97
you can spin all you want you were factually WRONG (as usual)
I understand your hostility as SLC is playing so poorly this year
its ok
Did the SLC defense hold MNW to their lowest point output of the last two years? (and that was with 5 TOs.)
post 97
you can spin all you want you were factually WRONG (as usual)
I understand your hostility as SLC is playing so poorly this year
its ok
Consumerman, YOU are a total joke. You can't even read what you just posted. Like I said, I asked the question and it was answered. I never made the claim that you have repeated over and over and over again. Do you know what a "question mark" is?
Grow up.
consumerman
09-22-07, 11:49 AM
dad can you please repost all the strength of schedule rankings for slc and mnw and show us how superior slc schedule was
then post the final score of the slc - mnw game
grow up?
you live your life through the world of a high school football team that you have no connection to and this perfect little city team had its lunch handed to them on national tv and you start arguing attendance figures
me grow up?
look in the mirror walter mitty
consumerman
09-22-07, 11:53 AM
slc grades this year
Game 1 = B+ beat a lousy team handily
Game 2 = C- got their heads kicked in turned the ball over 5 times, running game non-existant, star players choked the game away with 5 turnovers, offense had 1 meaningful scoring drive, other team took a mercy knee to not run up the score
Game 3 = C+ offense did great, A (gave up some early bad plays), defense non-existant (F), tre newton (again) not a factor, special teams play POOR
overall grade C+
top 25 team??
not with these performances
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 12:01 PM
note two of those teams lost this week and they did not give up 42 points
I assume they didn't score 49 pts, either??
dad can you please repost all the strength of schedule rankings for slc and mnw and show us how superior slc schedule was
then post the final score of the slc - mnw game
grow up?
you live your life through the world of a high school football team that you have no connection to and this perfect little city team had its lunch handed to them on national tv and you start arguing attendance figures
me grow up?
look in the mirror walter mitty
LOL You are proven wrong. You can't win the agrument so you are forced to change the subject and resort to personal attacks. LOL Give me a break.
I have no connection to SLC? (You are clueless.) I've had three sons play football for SLC at various levels. The last son is playing now. One of my daughters was all-state for SLC in 2007.
Frankly, I think you are projecting YOURSELF. YOU are the creep who has never been to a DLS game and has never even been on the DLS campus.
What a joke.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 12:04 PM
based on the first three games of the seasonI dont think SLC is a top 25 US team
not even close
That's not my question. My question is.. if SLC is "close" to being a TOp 25 team... why should MNW be #1???
And.. what team do you think deserves to be #1??? Let me guess... they're either from California or Ohio??:Ohno:
consumerman
09-22-07, 12:09 PM
LOL You are proven wrong. You can't win the agrument so you are forced to change the subject and resort to personal attacks. LOL Give me a break.
I have no connection to SLC? (You are clueless.) I've had three sons play football for SLC at various levels. The last son is playing now. One of my daughters was all-state for SLC in 2007.
Frankly, I think you are projecting YOURSELF. YOU are the creep who has never been to a DLS game and has never even been on the DLS campus.
What a joke.
when was the last time i posted on the crime level of south lake?
when was the last time i posted on the economic virtues of south lake
when was the last time i posted on anything unrelated to football
THANKS FOR CALLING ME CREEP
YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED
IS CREEP WORSE THAN JERK?
the man with no class strikes again
Sorry your son couldn't prevent a disater game against MNW and a near disater game Thursday
Walter Mitty
consumerman
09-22-07, 12:10 PM
That's not my question. My question is.. if SLC is "close" to being a TOp 25 team... why should MNW be #1???
And.. what team do you think deserves to be #1??? Let me guess... they're either from California or Ohio??:Ohno:
Florida teams have proven themselves in out of state games
St X is having a banner year but they have a long way to go
no team is Texas is remotely in consideration
that is until they storm through those tough texas playoffs where the division is (stupid) split into two different playoffs and you dont know for most of the season which division you will be placed in, and then the playoffs are littered with 3-7 and 5-5 teams. heck somebody has to win and even with all this BS six playoff wins fools most people
consumerman
09-22-07, 12:29 PM
LOL You are proven wrong. You can't win the agrument so you are forced to change the subject and resort to personal attacks. LOL Give me a break.
I have no connection to SLC? (You are clueless.) I've had three sons play football for SLC at various levels. The last son is playing now. One of my daughters was all-state for SLC in 2007.
Frankly, I think you are projecting YOURSELF. YOU are the creep who has never been to a DLS game and has never even been on the DLS campus.
What a joke.
what other father in the nation rushes home to an internet chat board on a state far away and has to post excuses for why his team lost and what the attendance figures were
I think a good father/fan would enjoy the games and interact with his family
and be a good member of a community
not rush to internet chat boards and argue stupid petty items. i think you are a sad example for all of your children. My father was a professional athlete and I was a pretty good baseball player. I dont think my dad ever got riled up over a bad umpire call or a tough loss and on the other end never went into hyperbole when our team or a team from our school did well. interent was before his time but he would turn over in his grave if he saw how you are addicted to stupid petty high school sports and related items and rush to internet chat boards on other states and argue cluellessly and with so much bias. that would be for high school students or true fans with mature attitudes, neithe rof which describes you (by a long shot). I feel sorry for the example you set for your kids
When my high school had the #1 rated team in the state and the #1 college prospect in the nation, I had to beg, cajole and twist my dad's arm to get him to go to one game (against a highly ranked undefeated team), it seems like you would even go to a peewee dragon game if it could give you info to post on a different states chat board. the more i think about it the more proud I am of my Dad and the more embarrasement I feel for your kids based on the amount of time and effort you put on a ohio chat board. embarrased!
there lies the rub dad
my assessment of you has stooped to another all time low
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 12:39 PM
slc grades this year
Game 1 = B+ beat a lousy team handily
Game 2 = C- got their heads kicked in turned the ball over 5 times, running game non-existant, star players choked the game away with 5 turnovers, offense had 1 meaningful scoring drive, other team took a mercy knee to not run up the score
Game 3 = C+ offense did great, A (gave up some early bad plays), defense non-existant (F), tre newton (again) not a factor
overall grade C+
top 25 team??
not with these performances
Game 1 = SLC - 568 yds of offense/ LH - 256 yds of offense/SLC - 2 turnovers/ LH - 1 turnover
Final Score = 42-10
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Game 2 = SLC - 367 yds of offense/ MNW - 368 yds of offense/SLC - 5 turnovers/MNW - 3 turnovers
Final Score = 21-29
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Game 3 = SLC - 476 yds of offense/ R - 427 yds of offense/SLC - 2 turnovers/ R - 0 turnovers
Final Score = 49-42
Overall grade = A- (Even with the state of their defense... or lack thereof)
Hmmm... one could assume Rockwall is the toughest offense SLC has faced. Rockwall was ranked #14 in the State, by 5ATFB. One could also assume MNW is the toughest defense SLC has faced. MNW is currently the #1 team in the Nation. SLC lost by 8 pts to MNW and won by 7 pts over Rockwall.
If you're saying SLC isn't a Top 25 team in the Nation, you're also saying Rockwall (offense) probably isn't that good and MNW shouldn't be the #1 team in the Nation??
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 12:45 PM
Florida teams have proven themselves in out of state games
St X is having a banner year but they have a long way to go
no team is Texas is remotely in consideration
that is until they storm through those tough texas playoffs where the division is (stupid) split into two different playoffs and you dont know for most of the season which division you will be placed in, and then the playoffs are littered with 3-7 and 5-5 teams. heck somebody has to win and even with all this BS six playoff wins fools most people
No team, in Texas, is in consideration, yet MNW - who beat SLC by 8 pts - is #1, Colerain - who would be lucky to go 8-2, during the regular season in Texas, and a bunch of Cali schools are in the Top 25, Nationally?? Quick question.. how many Texas teams have you seen in 2007?? Not 2006?? Or 2005?? Or 1990?? But, 2007??
And...
Aren't you a fan of California HSFB?? The same state that doesn't have a state championship system?? Btw, Texas has a playoff system "littered" with 3-7 and 5-5 teams of whom 99% of them are beaten in the 1st Round of a 6-Round Playoff system.
Your hatred of Texas is noticeable. To say "no teams" in Texas are worthy is laughable. All the while you haven't said it's totally goofy to have 3 or 4 Cali-soft" teams in the Top 25.:Ohno:
consumerman
09-22-07, 12:54 PM
Game 1 grade B+
Game 2 grade C - (charitable)
Game 3 grade C+ (charitable)
overall C+ (charitable)
if SLC lost Thursday, whcih was quite possible, their overall grade would drop to D+ or maybe C-
Like most Texans, you are enthralled by offense and ignore defense and special teams
the best case scenario to get an A- is to only grade SLC offense
defense has been D or worse
special teams have been C- or worse
one day you will see football is not just flinging wild passes downfield
DLSfanNW
09-22-07, 12:57 PM
.
I have no connection to SLC? (You are clueless.) I've had three sons play football for SLC at various levels. The last son is playing now. One of my daughters was all-state for SLC in 2007.
.
What position does she play? :)
consumerman
09-22-07, 01:01 PM
No team, in Texas, is in consideration, yet MNW - who beat SLC by 8 pts - is #1, Colerain - who would be lucky to go 8-2, during the regular season in Texas, and a bunch of Cali schools are in the Top 25, Nationally?? Quick question.. how many Texas teams have you seen in 2007?? Not 2006?? Or 2005?? Or 1990?? But, 2007??
And...
Aren't you a fan of California HSFB?? The same state that doesn't have a state championship system?? Btw, Texas has a playoff system "littered" with 3-7 and 5-5 teams of whom 99% of them are beaten in the 1st Round of a 6-Round Playoff system.
Your hatred of Texas is noticeable. To say "no teams" in Texas are worthy is laughable. All the while you haven't said it's totally goofy to have 3 or 4 Cali-soft" teams in the Top 25.:Ohno:
well those california soft teams took on those ohio tough guys and are 3-0
those awesome texas teams played one florida team and got its --- kicked
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 01:30 PM
well those california soft teams took on those ohio tough guys and are 3-0
those awesome texas teams played one florida team and got its --- kicked
Only 1 Texas team played 1 Florida team and lost by 8 pts. (Could've won.) None of thos Cali-soft teams or Ohio teams would come within 21 pts of that Florida team. What's your point??
consumerman
09-22-07, 01:32 PM
Only 1 Texas team played 1 Florida team and lost by 8 pts. (Could've won.) None of thos Cali-soft teams or Ohio teams would come within 21 pts of that Florida team. What's your point??
could have won
with an offense that could not put a meaningful scoring drive after the first 5 minutes of the game and was shut out in the second half
could have won?
you are delerious
steeler 01
09-22-07, 01:58 PM
No team, in Texas, is in consideration, yet MNW - who beat SLC by 8 pts - is #1, Colerain - who would be lucky to go 8-2, during the regular season in Texas, and a bunch of Cali schools are in the Top 25, Nationally?? Quick question.. how many Texas teams have you seen in 2007?? Not 2006?? Or 2005?? Or 1990?? But, 2007??
And...
Aren't you a fan of California HSFB?? The same state that doesn't have a state championship system?? Btw, Texas has a playoff system "littered" with 3-7 and 5-5 teams of whom 99% of them are beaten in the 1st Round of a 6-Round Playoff system.
Your hatred of Texas is noticeable. To say "no teams" in Texas are worthy is laughable. All the while you haven't said it's totally goofy to have 3 or 4 Cali-soft" teams in the Top 25.:Ohno:
Where do you get the impression that Cali teams are soft?
consumerman
09-22-07, 01:59 PM
Where do you get the impression that Cali teams are soft?
he is from texas where teams that lose and then win although giving up 42 points are considered national powers
enough explanation
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 02:18 PM
could have won
with an offense that could not put a meaningful scoring drive after the first 5 minutes of the game and was shut out in the second half
could have won?
you are delerious
Yup. I'm delirious. SLC had 367 yds of offense to MNW's 368 yds. SLC was shutout, alright. (75 yds of that 368 was on 1 play) SLC didn't underthrow a sure td, that was intercepted. SLC didn't drive on MNW, at the end of the game, and throw a sure td-slant that was dropped. Nope! MNW was the only team that showed up. Colerain could've stopped toying with that Pre-School Team (Mason) and ran their Triple Option" (Joke!) on MNW, all day!! I know... all that Florida speed would've allowed that!
I still haven't heard any of you dispute MNW's #1 ranking, considering they beat a no-name Florida team (even though they had 6 turnovers) and a "worthless" SLC team. That's right... those Ohio schools and California schools were up at the Herbcrap battling it out for HSFB supremecy... excuse me while I laugh, uncontrolably!!
I love it.. Calijoke and Slohio is passing out judgment calls!!
Btw.. Longview (ranked #8 in the state of Texas, by 5AFB.com) just beat John Curtis (La), 24-20, this afternoon!! John Curtis is ranked #9 in the Nation, according to USA Today) Yup...those sorry Texas teams suck, I tell yeah!! Those experts have no idea what they're doing. SLC is just horrid for holding MNW (aka University of Miami JV) to an 8 pt loss. Texas proves, like always, that they're overrated. This, like always, coming from Cali and Ohio... 2 teams that yearn to be in the save universe as Florida and Texas.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 02:24 PM
he is from texas where teams that lose and then win although giving up 42 points are considered national powers
enough explanation
Yup, the level of Florida and Texas football is shocking. I know. A team that gives up 29 pts to the #1 team in the Nation and then 42 pts to the #14 team in the state of Texas is not worthy of being in the Top 25. Or.. maybe that team, MNW and Rockwall are all pretty darn good football teams!! Hey, there's an idea!!
steeler 01
09-22-07, 02:38 PM
Yup. I'm delirious. SLC had 367 yds of offense to MNW's 368 yds. SLC was shutout, alright. (75 yds of that 368 was on 1 play) SLC didn't underthrow a sure td, that was intercepted. SLC didn't drive on MNW, at the end of the game, and throw a sure td-slant that was dropped. Nope! MNW was the only team that showed up. Colerain could've stopped toying with that Pre-School Team (Mason) and ran their Triple Option" (Joke!) on MNW, all day!! I know... all that Florida speed would've allowed that!
I still haven't heard any of you dispute MNW's #1 ranking, considering they beat a no-name Florida team (even though they had 6 turnovers) and a "worthless" SLC team. That's right... those Ohio schools and California schools were up at the Herbcrap battling it out for HSFB supremecy... excuse me while I laugh, uncontrolably!!
I love it.. Calijoke and Slohio is passing out judgment calls!!
Btw.. Longview (ranked #8 in the state of Texas, by 5AFB.com) just beat John Curtis (La), 24-20, this afternoon!! John Curtis is ranked #9 in the Nation, according to USA Today) Yup...those sorry Texas teams suck, I tell yeah!! Those experts have no idea what they're doing. SLC is just horrid for holding MNW (aka University of Miami JV) to an 8 pt loss. Texas proves, like always, that they're overrated. This, like always, coming from Cali and Ohio... 2 teams that yearn to be in the save universe as Florida and Texas.
USA Today poll is a joke. This is the same poll that has Edison 18th and Sherman Oaks Notre Dame 19th. These teams aren't top 10 in california. Curtis isn't very good this year. Longview is not much better.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 02:56 PM
USA Today poll is a joke. This is the same poll that has Edison 18th and Sherman Oaks Notre Dame 19th. These teams aren't top 10 in california. Curtis isn't very good this year. Longview is not much better.
Difference being.. JC will win state in La. Longview won't win state in Tx.
steeler 01
09-22-07, 03:52 PM
Difference being.. JC will win state in La. Longview won't win state in Tx.
John Curtis plays a bunch of weak --- teams. Their 2A in La. Only team that can beat them will be ECA in their division.
What position does she play? :)
If I told you that loon from California could figure out who I am and he would come and bomb my house.
I'll just say that she was first team all-state and was the first person from SLC to attain that recognition in three years.
USA Today poll is a joke. This is the same poll that has Edison 18th and Sherman Oaks Notre Dame 19th. These teams aren't top 10 in california. Curtis isn't very good this year. Longview is not much better.
John Curtis was 3-0 and ranked in the National Top 25 in six human polls and in the National Top 10 in two human polls prior to today's game.
Overall, John Curtis was ranked HIGHER than such well known teams as Colerain, DLS, DeMatha and Independence Charlotte to name a few.
It was a good win for Longview.
steeler 01
09-22-07, 06:32 PM
John Curtis was 3-0 and ranked in the National Top 25 in six human polls and in the National Top 10 in two human polls prior to today's game.
Overall, John Curtis was ranked HIGHER than such well known teams as Colerain, DLS, DeMatha and Independence Charlotte to name a few.
It was a good win for Longview.
Did you see the same team that i saw today? Curtis isn't a top 25 team in the nation IMO. DeMatha is ranked lower due to their loss earlier in the year to St.X. St.X would kill Curtis who is very average IMO. Curtis is a run team,and St.X eats the run up. Indy also lost to an average Ohio team, so adding them in your teams that their ranked higher is useless.
consumerman
09-22-07, 06:38 PM
If I told you that loon from California could figure out who I am and he would come and bomb my house.
I'll just say that she was first team all-state and was the first person from SLC to attain that recognition in three years.
I would be ashamed to have you as a father
I would send Tre Newton to bomb your house but he would fumble it
I would send Riley Dodge but he would throw a wounded duck interception
Did you see the same team that i saw today? Curtis isn't a top 25 team in the nation IMO. DeMatha is ranked lower due to their loss earlier in the year to St.X. St.X would kill Curtis who is very average IMO. Curtis is a run team,and St.X eats the run up. Indy also lost to an average Ohio team, so adding them in your teams that their ranked higher is useless.
No doubt StX is a better team than Curtis. I doubt anybody would dispute that.
My point is that they were highly ranked prior to today's game and it was a very good win for Longview who isn't an elite team in Texas. Curtis was ranked higher than many traditional national elite teams like Colerain, DLS, Independence, DeMatha, Hoover, etc.
consumerman
09-22-07, 06:40 PM
John Curtis was 3-0 and ranked in the National Top 25 in six human polls and in the National Top 10 in two human polls prior to today's game.
Overall, John Curtis was ranked HIGHER than such well known teams as Colerain, DLS, DeMatha and Independence Charlotte to name a few.
It was a good win for Longview.
1) are not you the guy who claims human polls are flawed?
MR INCONSISTENT
2) Longview wins becasue of a 35 yard drive saving completeion that the homer Texas ref called complete while he juggled the ball all the way out of bounds
HOMER REFS
they tried the same thing for SLC but its hard to homer away 5 turnovers
consumerman
09-22-07, 06:41 PM
No doubt StX is a better team than Curtis. I doubt anybody would dispute that.
My point is that they were highly ranked prior to today's game and it was a very good win for Longview who isn't an elite team in Texas.
you are an embarrasment to your family
Longview is a class 5A district CHAMPION
steeler 01
09-22-07, 06:43 PM
No doubt StX is a better team than Curtis. I doubt anybody would dispute that.
My point is that they were highly ranked prior to today's game and it was a very good win for Longview who isn't an elite team in Texas.
Longview isn't an elite team in Texas? Their ranked 8th in 5A. In 2004 and 2005 many believed they were one of the best team in the state with Ivory and Mcgee running the ball.
Longview isn't an elite team in Texas? Their ranked 8th in 5A. In 2004 and 2005 many believed they were one of the best team in the state with Ivory and Mcgee running the ball.
I guess it depends on which ranking you look at. Several polls have Longview ranked near the bottom of the Top 20 in Texas. Few people expect Longview to contend for a state title this year but we'll see. They have already lost to Lufkin.
steeler 01
09-22-07, 06:51 PM
I guess it depends on which ranking you look at. Several polls have Longview ranked near the bottom of the Top 20 in Texas. Few people expect Longview to contend for a state title this year but we'll see. They have already lost to Lufkin.
Yes they have. They lost to Lufkin by a FG and they haven't beaten Lufkin in like 10 games i think. Lufkin seems to own Longview, Lufkin is also in the top 5 in Texas or are they not elite also?
1) are not you the guy who claims human polls are flawed?
MR INCONSISTENT
Nope! Mr. Clueless.
I use all of the polls whenever I can. I've always said that provides the best rankings.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 09:17 PM
I would be ashamed to have you as a father
I would send Tre Newton to bomb your house but he would fumble it
I would send Riley Dodge but he would throw a wounded duck interception
1) You would be ashamed to have him as a father, as I'm sure he'd feel the same about you.. for a son.. or daughter.
2) Tre Newton is a solid RB, but I think many people - in Texas - have seen better RB's, than him, this year. I can give you some RB's that I've seen that are better.. Shane Turner (Cy Falls), Kurtis Shaw (Spring HS), Bo Snelson (Pasadena Memorial), Sam McGuffie (Cy Fair), J.Garrett/M.Johnson (Longview) and Kasey Carrier (Pearland). Stop insulting Tre as if you think SLC's the only team Texas has to offer and he's useless.
3) Same thing for Riley Dodge. SLCdad may be offended, but I've always thought of Riley as a system QB. (Graham Harrell'esque) Nearly everyone in Texas - who knew of SLC/Dodge - acknowledged that he was headed to play at Texas as an athlete.. not QB. I've already seen 1 QB, this year, that is light years ahead of Riley.. in QB-Andrew Luck (6'4 221 lbs - committed to Stanford). I've also seen another QB who has a stronger arm than Riley and faster than Riley and may be as efficient as Riley, in Kenric McNeal (6'1 180 lbs/4.4) of Spring HS.
The hatred or jealousy you have of SLC - for their positioning in the National Rankings over the past few years - is obvious. You can deny it, but it's written all over the words you type. Hey, I can't blame you... then again, I've seen so many of your Cali teams and would easily put SLC up against any of them and feel EXCELLENT about SLC's chances.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 09:21 PM
you are an embarrasment to your family
Longview is a class 5A district CHAMPION
Longview won the 12-5A district championship, last year.. then lost to my Garland team (who finished 2nd in District 10-5A) in the 2nd Round of a 6-Round Playoff System.
Btw, there are 32 5A-Districts in the state of Texas. There-go, at least, 32 5A-District CHAMPIONS!
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 09:28 PM
Yes they have. They lost to Lufkin by a FG and they haven't beaten Lufkin in like 10 games i think. Lufkin seems to own Longview, Lufkin is also in the top 5 in Texas or are they not elite also?
Lufkin is up there, but people are saying they're struggling to win their games. There are several teams capable of beating each other... way too many to list.
1) You would be ashamed to have him as a father, as I'm sure he'd feel the same about you.. for a son.. or daughter.
2) Tre Newton is a solid RB, but I think many people - in Texas - have seen better RB's, than him, this year. I can give you some RB's that I've seen that are better.. Shane Turner (Cy Falls), Kurtis Shaw (Spring HS), Bo Snelson (Pasadena Memorial), Sam McGuffie (Cy Fair), J.Garrett/M.Johnson (Longview) and Kasey Carrier (Pearland). Stop insulting Tre as if you think SLC's the only team Texas has to offer and he's useless.
3) Same thing for Riley Dodge. SLCdad may be offended, but I've always thought of Riley as a system QB. (Graham Harrell'esque) Nearly everyone in Texas - who knew of SLC/Dodge - acknowledged that he was headed to play at Texas as an athlete.. not QB. I've already seen 1 QB, this year, that is light years ahead of Riley.. in QB-Andrew Luck (6'4 221 lbs - committed to Stanford). I've also seen another QB who has a stronger arm than Riley and faster than Riley and may be as efficient as Riley, in Kenric McNeal (6'1 180 lbs/4.4) of Spring HS.
The hatred or jealousy you have of SLC - for their positioning in the National Rankings over the past few years - is obvious. You can deny it, but it's written all over the words you type. Hey, I can't blame you... then again, I've seen so many of your Cali teams and would easily put SLC up against any of them and feel EXCELLENT about SLC's chances.
What Conlooneybirdman doesn't know is that I have an outstanding and large family. Absolutely fantastic. Of course, my wife gets most of the credit for that.
Regarding your comment about Riley Dodge, I'm not offended at all. He could never play QB at a top D1 school. HOWEVER, Riley is a winner. He plays with as much heart as anybody I have ever seen. Mack Brown at Texas thought enough of Riley to offer him a scholly. Riley was well deserving of the TWO National Player of the Year awards that he got last year and the Texas Offensive Player of the Year he got (although Pied thinks Cole deserved it more).
consumerman
09-22-07, 09:56 PM
What Conlooneybirdman doesn't know is that I have an outstanding and large family. Absolutely fantastic. Of course, my wife gets most of the credit for that.
Regarding your comment about Riley Dodge, I'm not offended at all. He could never play QB at a top D1 school. HOWEVER, Riley is a winner. He plays with as much heart as anybody I have ever seen. Mack Brown at Texas thought enough of Riley to offer him a scholly. Riley was well deserving of the TWO National Player of the Year awards that he got last year and the Texas Offensive Player of the Year he got (although Pied thinks Cole deserved it more).
I stand by my assessment
I would be embarrassed to have my father touring out of state internet chat boards and making silly arguments about high school football. I had to DRAG my dad to 1 game in high school football to see the state's #1 team and the nation's #1 prospect, let alone have him discuss computerized rankings and strength of schedules and opionozed polls. I think your priorities are wrong and very sad
I would be embarrasssed to have you as my father
I think your priorities are way out of whack
I can only assume you get some meaningless satisfaction out of reliving your dreams through a local high school football program. Your situation is almost clinical in describing the classic inferiority complex.
Congrats on a well deserved 49-42 blowout
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 09:59 PM
What Conlooneybirdman doesn't know is that I have an outstanding and large family. Absolutely fantastic. Of course, my wife gets most of the credit for that.
Regarding your comment about Riley Dodge, I'm not offended at all. He could never play QB at a top D1 school. HOWEVER, Riley is a winner. He plays with as much heart as anybody I have ever seen. Mack Brown at Texas thought enough of Riley to offer him a scholly. Riley was well deserving of the TWO National Player of the Year awards that he got last year and the Texas Offensive Player of the Year he got (although Pied thinks Cole deserved it more).
The way I look at it is.. when you have the target on your back.. it's tougher. Riley or Cole deserved the honor. Or Sam McGuffie. He had, around, 370 carries, for 3500 yds and, like, 30-40 tds, last year. That was an offense that was 75% run/25% pass. He carried that team into the playoffs. But, Cole and Riley did their thing and led their teams to undefeated records... though they were definitely beaten up the entire way.
Don't worry about twisterman. He's definitely got a "thing" for SLC. I bet he has a SLC Dart Board or SLC Punching Bag. It's odd, all these psycho's that take it so seriously and fantasize about things like this. The day he forgives MOST of the National Poll'sters for ranking SLC #1, for the past 2 or 3 years, is the day he'll move on to a happier life.
Don't worry about twisterman. He's definitely got a "thing" for SLC. I bet he has a SLC Dart Board or SLC Punching Bag. It's odd, all these psycho's that take it so seriously and fantasize about things like this. The day he forgives MOST of the National Poll'sters for ranking SLC #1, for the past 2 or 3 years, is the day he'll move on to a happier life.
What is so funny is that he lives his life through DLS . . . . YET . . . he has never even been to a single DLS game. He has never been to the school. He has no connection to the school whatsoever. It's creepy.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-22-07, 10:33 PM
What is so funny is that he lives his life through DLS . . . . YET . . . he has never even been to a single DLS game. He has never been to the school. He has no connection to the school whatsoever. It's creepy.
Psycho T-shirt fan. Nuff said.
consumerman
09-22-07, 10:42 PM
What is so funny is that he lives his life through DLS . . . . YET . . . he has never even been to a single DLS game. He has never been to the school. He has no connection to the school whatsoever. It's creepy.
I live my life through DLS?
really?
lol
I do follow the 49ers, the SF Giants, not much of a hockey fan but will watch the Sharks when they are on TV, used to go to a lot of A's games until the Raiders came back and ruined the stadium
oh and I have lots of other interests including my own website where I have 90 members about a lifelong hobby
And I love travel especially to exotic island locales
and have been impressed and have followed DLS since moving to the East Bay in 1985
but I dont live my life through them
and I didnt fall for that perfect city USA crap
BTW as a reminder my father was a pro ball player and met my mother (born in Texas) while playing in the Texas League
I have (had) a favorite great uncle who was a very big VIP in the San Antonio area
You have a clinical need to attach yourself to a high school football team and make yourself feel better (I guess) by going on other state internet football chat sites and talk s-h-i-& about ur littel high school
a complete waste of time and an embarrasment for a fther of at least 4
I do come here mainly to straighten out wrong facts and logic by kooks like you, which happens about 5 times a day
consumerman
09-22-07, 10:50 PM
PS
SLC gave up 42 points 2 days ago 1 game after losing on their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage
Coach Lad in all his games since 1979, has NEVER given up 40 points in a game
that is in 28 plus seasons
Texas football is just winging wild passes downfield
poor defense
poor special teams
soft as a marshmellow
no wonder they got manhandled in their first national exposure game
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 09:36 AM
PS
SLC gave up 42 points 2 days ago 1 game after losing on their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage
Coach Lad in all his games since 1979, has NEVER given up 40 points in a game
that is in 28 plus seasons
Texas football is just winging wild passes downfield
poor defense
poor special teams
soft as a marshmellow
no wonder they got manhandled in their first national exposure game
Calisoft... always has been, always will be!
WoodyHayes
09-23-07, 11:42 AM
It is one thing to attack a team or team member but when we start attacking each others families, we all probably need to take a step back. This is just a chat board. We get on here and pull chains. But when we start to attack each other and our families, somethings wrong.
naughty
09-23-07, 11:49 AM
It is one thing to attack a team or team member but when we start attacking each others families, we all probably need to take a step back. This is just a chat board. We get on here and pull chains. But when we start to attack each other and our families, somethings wrong.
Well some of out texans have been doing for awhile on this board. So how can any of you complian. And by the way i say carroll drops to #10 in the nation. You guys made the claim about lakeland when i comment earlier. Only thing is lakeland did not lose. You did and almost lost again for the second week in a row.
WoodyHayes
09-23-07, 11:53 AM
Well some of out texans have been doing for awhile on this board. So how can any of you complian. And by the way i say carroll drops to #10 in the nation. You guys made the claim about lakeland when i comment earlier. Only thing is lakeland did not lose. You did and almost lost again for the second week in a row. Go back in the thread. I dont believe this team even deserves top 15 right now.
It is one thing to attack a team or team member but when we start attacking each others families, we all probably need to take a step back. This is just a chat board. We get on here and pull chains. But when we start to attack each other and our families, somethings wrong.
No kidding.
Something is also very wrong when a poster spends most of his time attacking a city, a player, a head coach, an entire state, a football team, fans of a team, etc., etc., etc. The list goes on and on and on.
Well some of out texans have been doing for awhile on this board. So how can any of you complian. And by the way i say carroll drops to #10 in the nation. You guys made the claim about lakeland when i comment earlier. Only thing is lakeland did not lose. You did and almost lost again for the second week in a row.
Yeah, I made the argument that Lakeland didn't deserve the #1 ranking last year because they almost lost 3 or 4 times. I didn't believe that was deserving of a #1 ranking. I still feel that way. The pollsters game Lakeland the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding SLC, I feel the same way. The loss to MNW wasn't a huge deal because the game was very close and if a play or two had gone the other way, SLC could have won that game. The stats were equal, except for the big 5 TOs. Besides, MNW is the most talented team that most of us have seen in a long time.
SLC had a close game last Thursday. However, just as Lakeland got 3-4 "breaks" last year, I believe SLC deserves 1 "break". Rockwall scored 21 points before the SLC defense had even played 6 plays with 14 of those points coming on a horrific interception call by the ref (the ball bounced) and on another penalty from the same ref. SLC had a very rough start in that game, but condsidering what had happened just 5 days earlier it shouldn't be surprising. Let's not forget that SLC dominated the game for the last three quarters (Riley had 7 TD passes).
consumerman
09-23-07, 12:42 PM
I guess it depends on which ranking you look at. Several polls have Longview ranked near the bottom of the Top 20 in Texas. Few people expect Longview to contend for a state title this year but we'll see. They have already lost to Lufkin.
Texas 5A has 256 teams make the playoffs correct??
If Logview is rated "in the bottom of the top 20" they are in the top 10% of all playoff teams correct?
So either Longview is a top ten percent PLAYOFF team in Texas, or the Texas playoffs are watered down, useless, split divided with a bunch of nonsense teams.
Which is it?
PorkopolisPigskin
09-23-07, 12:44 PM
SLCDad,
You make it sound like MNW is some bullet proof team... Stop referring to them as "the most talented team that most of us have seen in a long time"... I watched St X take Lakeland to the wire last year with zero D1A scholly athletes... Help me on this naughty, but if I remember correctly Lakeland sent 7 players to the national champion (god I hate saying that) Florida Gators? And two more players got schollys to legitimate D1A teams, correct? It's not like Lakeland was just a bunch of athletes either... Other than the kicker, they were very professional in every form. Great coaches, good execution, good football team. I'm not saying that MNW wouldn't beat Lakeland, and I don't think it's relevant, it just burns me up that you think SLC lost to some NFL calibre team... It's been proven time and time again in high school football that good coaching and good execution beats good talent.
Texas 5A has 256 teams make the playoffs correct???
Nope try again. Still looking for that band rule???
consumerman
09-23-07, 12:52 PM
Nope try again. Still looking for that band rule???
correct me, how many teams?
the band playing while the other team is on offense which may be legal in Texas, is very poor sportsmanship
consumerman
09-23-07, 01:03 PM
No kidding.
Something is also very wrong when a poster spends most of his time attacking a city, a player, a head coach, an entire state, a football team, fans of a team, etc., etc., etc. The list goes on and on and on.
so which is it this time am I a jerk a creep or something else
what are you gonna call me this time
I would be embarrased to have you as a father
consumerman
09-23-07, 01:06 PM
Texas 5A has 256 teams make the playoffs correct??
If Logview is rated "in the bottom of the top 20" they are in the top 10% of all playoff teams correct?
So either Longview is a top ten percent PLAYOFF team in Texas, or the Texas playoffs are watered down, useless, split divided with a bunch of nonsense teams.
Which is it?
ok I stand corrected I guess
Longview is represented as a lower top 20 team and the reference seems to be they arent any good
SO if 128 teams make the so called vaunted Texas 6 round split division playoffs, and Longview is better than at least 108 of the other teams, but Longview is not that good,.... what does that say about the 108 other Texas teams in the playoffs and the quality of those so called vaunted Texas playoffs
once again daditis is his own worst enemy
coletrain06
09-23-07, 01:57 PM
Wow this thread is out of hand.
Everyone needs to stop taking personal shots at each other and each others families. You all are better than that.
Some of you posters are delusional.
IMO
the best of Texas vs. the best of Ohio vs. the best of California vs. the best of Florida all would come out pretty even. They are very even.
Texas's best probably the have the best offense.
Ohio's best probably have the best defense.
Florida's best probably have the best athletes.
California's best are great all around.
California football is not soft.
The Texas posters that say they would take 25-30 texas teams over St. X and Colerain really need to get grip on reality. That is ridiculous and you know it. St. X has been playing great football and putting up great points without their best Player whom their offense mainly runs through. Colerain while having a little shaky start is still very good and the defense will keep them in every game.
Mason was not a good team. If you watched the first half of the game, you would have seen Colerain dominate them and go into half with a 28-0 lead. They then came out in the 3rd and scored to make it 35-0. The starters were then taken out of the game. Colerain's subs didn't do much against Mason's starters. The 14 pts. mason scored were on our backups in the last 3 minutes of the game. I admit Colerain had sloppy moments in the game and was the one of the worst halfs of football I've seen Colerain play in many years.
This week Colerain came out and played a team Much better than Mason and won 63-13. :shrug: Colerain looked very good in the game.
After watching the SLC and MNW game I think that St. X and Colerain would both beat SLC. I think that St. X and Colerain could both play with MNW but MNW would be favored.
IMO the DLS team that came to the Herbstreit last year would have played with MNW and SLC.
MNW deserves #1 in the nation
St. X should be where they are at #2
Colerain should be in the #10-15 range
SLC should be in the #15-20 range
DLS should be in the #10-15 range.
UncleBaldy
09-23-07, 02:01 PM
It is one thing to attack a team or team member but when we start attacking each others families, we all probably need to take a step back. This is just a chat board. We get on here and pull chains. But when we start to attack each other and our families, somethings wrong.
Thanks WoodyHayes. :thumb:
Guys, I am back from Crete. This personal crap is starting to get out of hand. Lets pull it back a notch.
DLSfanNW
09-23-07, 02:18 PM
Wow this thread is out of hand.
Everyone needs to stop taking personal shots at each other and each others families. You all are better than that.
Some of you posters are delusional.
IMO
the best of Texas vs. the best of Ohio vs. the best of California vs. the best of Florida all would come out pretty even. They are very even.
Texas's best probably the have the best offense.
Ohio's best probably have the best defense.
Florida's best probably have the best athletes.
California's best are great all around.
California football is not soft.
The Texas posters that say they would take 25-30 texas teams over St. X and Colerain really need to get grip on reality. That is ridiculous and you know it. St. X has been playing great football and putting up great points without their best Player whom their offense mainly runs through. Colerain while having a little shaky start is still very good and the defense will keep them in every game.
Mason was not a good team. If you watched the first half of the game, you would have seen Colerain dominate them and go into half with a 28-0 lead. They then came out in the 3rd and scored to make it 35-0. The starters were then taken out of the game. Colerain's subs didn't do much against Mason's starters. The 14 pts. mason scored were on our backups in the last 3 minutes of the game. I admit Colerain had sloppy moments in the game and was the one of the worst halfs of football I've seen Colerain play in many years.
This week Colerain came out and played a team Much better than Mason and won 63-13. :shrug: Colerain looked very good in the game.
After watching the SLC and MNW game I think that St. X and Colerain would both beat SLC. I think that St. X and Colerain could both play with MNW but MNW would be favored.
IMO the DLS team that came to the Herbstreit last year would have played with MNW and SLC.
MNW deserves #1 in the nation
St. X should be where they are at #2
Colerain should be in the #10-15 range
SLC should be in the #15-20 range
DLS should be in the #10-15 range.
Just curious...what 14 teams would you put above DLS?
What 19 would you put above SLC?
Bordertown
09-23-07, 03:39 PM
I stand by my assessment
I would be embarrassed to have my father touring out of state internet chat boards and making silly arguments about high school football.
Please read what you posted while looking in a mirror. Priceless.
consumerman
09-23-07, 03:59 PM
Please read what you posted while looking in a mirror. Priceless.
DLS has played in Ohio
SLC is chicken
double priceless
PS read or reread the reference to high school sports and my father
____________________
and I freely admit most of time here is spent to correct very obvious factual and semi-obvious logical posts made by mostly texans
you seem to do nothing but ghost follow me around and snippet at me
which is better?
I would tell you to look in the mirror but it would crack
consumerman
09-23-07, 04:18 PM
MNW 29 and takes a mercy knee
SLC 21 and gets shut out in the second half and has one meaningful offensive drive and chokes away 5 turnovers, mainly by their star players
PRICELESS
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 04:52 PM
Wow this thread is out of hand.
Everyone needs to stop taking personal shots at each other and each others families. You all are better than that.
Some of you posters are delusional.
IMO
the best of Texas vs. the best of Ohio vs. the best of California vs. the best of Florida all would come out pretty even. They are very even.
Texas's best probably the have the best offense.
Ohio's best probably have the best defense.
Florida's best probably have the best athletes.
California's best are great all around.
California football is not soft.
The Texas posters that say they would take 25-30 texas teams over St. X and Colerain really need to get grip on reality. That is ridiculous and you know it. St. X has been playing great football and putting up great points without their best Player whom their offense mainly runs through. Colerain while having a little shaky start is still very good and the defense will keep them in every game.
Mason was not a good team. If you watched the first half of the game, you would have seen Colerain dominate them and go into half with a 28-0 lead. They then came out in the 3rd and scored to make it 35-0. The starters were then taken out of the game. Colerain's subs didn't do much against Mason's starters. The 14 pts. mason scored were on our backups in the last 3 minutes of the game. I admit Colerain had sloppy moments in the game and was the one of the worst halfs of football I've seen Colerain play in many years.
This week Colerain came out and played a team Much better than Mason and won 63-13. :shrug: Colerain looked very good in the game.
After watching the SLC and MNW game I think that St. X and Colerain would both beat SLC. I think that St. X and Colerain could both play with MNW but MNW would be favored.
IMO the DLS team that came to the Herbstreit last year would have played with MNW and SLC.
MNW deserves #1 in the nation
St. X should be where they are at #2
Colerain should be in the #10-15 range
SLC should be in the #15-20 range
DLS should be in the #10-15 range.
I've seen St. X... they're solid. Top 25!!
I saw Colerain play Mason. From what I saw, there is a dozen Texas teams that would go toe-to-toe with Colerain and half of them would beat Colerain. JMO!!
DLS.. well, DLS!! Top 25, but not ahead of 1/2 a dozen Texas teams.
MNW is the #1 team to beat. Stocked with great athleticism... and SLC still had an opportunity to win, throughout the entire game. SLC played a better offense, in Rockwall.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 04:53 PM
MNW 29 and takes a mercy knee
SLC 21 and gets shut out in the second half and has one meaningful offensive drive and chokes away 5 turnovers, mainly by their star players
PRICELESS
#1 MNW 29.... has 3 turnovers and 368 yds of offense.
#3 SLC 21... 5 turnovers and 367 yds of offense.
Twisterman moral victory!! Obsession noted!!
naughty
09-23-07, 05:02 PM
#1 MNW 29.... has 3 turnovers and 368 yds of offense.
#3 SLC 21... 5 turnovers and 367 yds of offense.
Twisterman moral victory!! Obsession noted!!
If carroll played mnw 10 times. Mnw would win everytime. And maybe two out of the ten carroll keeps it close.
steeler 01
09-23-07, 05:12 PM
I've seen St. X... they're solid. Top 25!!
I saw Colerain play Mason. From what I saw, there is a dozen Texas teams that would go toe-to-toe with Colerain and half of them would beat Colerain. JMO!!
DLS.. well, DLS!! Top 25, but not ahead of 1/2 a dozen Texas teams.
MNW is the #1 team to beat. Stocked with great athleticism... and SLC still had an opportunity to win, throughout the entire game. SLC played a better offense, in Rockwall.
Half a dozen are you delusional?I've seen S.A.Madison,Permian,Longview,Trinity,cy-fair and stratford none of these teams would come close to playing with DLS. I'll say SLC, and Katy and maybe another team. I'd say DLS vs these 2 teams is a tossup. I don't think Katy would beat DLS though. You putting 6 teams ahead of DLS is pure homerism nothing more. I've seen all the top Texas teams the last 4 years and theirs nothing special about them like Texans like to say. Ohio,Cali,and Florida's top teams would be toss up games.
steeler 01
09-23-07, 05:15 PM
USA Today poll is a joke. This is the same poll that has Edison 18th and Sherman Oaks Notre Dame 19th. These teams aren't top 10 in california. Curtis isn't very good this year. Longview is not much better.
Both these teams from Cali lost this week. As i said before the USA Today poll is an absolute joke.
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:27 PM
#1 MNW 29.... has 3 turnovers and 368 yds of offense.
#3 SLC 21... 5 turnovers and 367 yds of offense.
Twisterman moral victory!! Obsession noted!!
in bowling it's not how hard you throw the ball it's how many pins you knock down
in darts it's not how hard you throw the ball it's how many points you score
in baseball it's not how many hits you get it's how many runs you score
in football it's not how many yards you make, it's how many points you score
SLC choked away the game with ZERO meaningful drives after 5 minutes in the first quarter
SLC LOST in their FIRST EVER chance to prove themselves on a national stage and they failed miserably
get over it or go buy a new hankie to cry on
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:28 PM
If carroll played mnw 10 times. Mnw would win everytime. And maybe two out of the ten carroll keeps it close.
If MNW and SLC met 10 times, it could be 5-5 or 6-4, either way. Btw, they've only played once... 367 yds to 368 yds and 21-29. That's 1 tight game already.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:30 PM
Half a dozen are you delusional?I've seen S.A.Madison,Permian,Longview,Trinity,cy-fair and stratford none of these teams would come close to playing with DLS. I'll say SLC, and Katy and maybe another team. I'd say DLS vs these 2 teams is a tossup. I don't think Katy would beat DLS though. You putting 6 teams ahead of DLS is pure homerism nothing more. I've seen all the top Texas teams the last 4 years and theirs nothing special about them like Texans like to say. Ohio,Cali,and Florida's top teams would be toss up games.
Well, we agree to disagree. I've seen some Top Ohio, Florida and Cali teams play over the past 4 years and I wouldn't be intimidated by any of'em. You have your opinion, I have mine. There's no way to say which is FACT.
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:31 PM
If MNW and SLC met 10 times, it could be 5-5 or 6-4, either way. Btw, they've only played once... 367 yds to 368 yds and 21-29. That's 1 tight game already.
MNW had to fly away and stay in a strange hotel
they played in front of a hostile crowd
they dominated the game especially after half
they took a mercy knee deep inside SLC territory to not run up the score
SLC offense disappeared after 5 minutes of the first quarter
SLC travels to FLorida and loses by 25
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:33 PM
in bowling it's not how hard you throw the ball it's how many pins you knock down
in darts it's not how hard you throw the ball it's how many points you score
in baseball it's not how many hits you get it's how many runs you score
in football it's not how many yards you make, it's how many points you score
SLC choked away the game with ZERO meaningful drives after 5 minutes in the first quarter
SLC LOST
get over it or go buy a new hankie to cry on
"ZERO meaningful drives"??? Then I wonder how they accumulated 367 yds of offense??? Wow.. that's 1 heck of a game-opening drive!
I'm over SLC... losing to the U of Miami JV. It's not THAT bad of thing to say you lost to, clearly, the best team in the Nation.
It's crazy.. I can see your goofy obsession and I'm not a SLC fan.
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:36 PM
"ZERO meaningful drives"??? Then I wonder how they accumulated 367 yds of offense??? Wow.. that's 1 heck of a game-opening drive!
I'm over SLC... losing to the U of Miami JV. It's not THAT bad of thing to say you lost to, clearly, the best team in the Nation.
It's crazy.. I can see your goofy obsession and I'm not a SLC fan.
clearly?
they beat a so-so FLorida team by only 10 points
What meaningful scoring drive of over 50 yards did SLC have after their first drive?
Please name it.
Drives where there is no score is/are MEANINGLESS
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:39 PM
MNW had to fly away and stay in a strange hotel
they played in front of a hostile crowd
they dominated the game especially after half
they took a mercy knee deep inside SLC territory to not run up the score
SLC offense disappeared after 5 minutes of the first quarter
SLC travels to FLorida and loses by 25
SLC had 367 yds of offense.
A back-up QB underthrew a wide open WR, that was intercepted.
A SLC WR dropped a td pass, in the endzone, at the end of the game.
Tre Newton was stripped on the MNW 5 yard-line, right before the half.
SLC knew the game was over after the desperate floater by Riley.
SLC lost to a team that they went toe-to-toe with and had a chance to beat, up until a few minutes before the end of the game.
SLC lost to clearly the best team in the Nation. The experts and Poll'sters see it... but an obssessed "Calisoft fan" doesn't. To be expected.
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:43 PM
clearly?
they beat a so-so FLorida team by only 10 points
What meaningful scoring drive of over 50 yards did SLC have after their first drive?
Please name it.
Drives where there is no score is/are MEANINGLESS
we get how many yards and how many choke turnovers they had
WHAT MEANINGFUL SCORING DRIVE OF OVER 50 YARDS DID THEY HAVE AFTER THEIR FIRST POSSESSION??????????????????
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:44 PM
clearly?
they beat a so-so FLorida team by only 10 points
What meaningful scoring drive of over 50 yards did SLC have after their first drive?
Please name it.
Drives where there is no score is/are MEANINGLESS
They beat a so-so Florida team by 10 pts.. while also giving up 6 turnovers.
Ohhhhhhh.... so now it's a meaningful scoring drive of "over 50 yards"???? Because I didn't see MNW make too many drives of over 50 yds, as well. The interception by Riley, that Spence returned to the SLC, what, 25 yd line.. wasn't a 50+ yd scoring drive. Their were goofy penalties that kept one of MNW's drive going, in which they scored on. How does MNW get 5 turnovers, but none of their 29 pts comes from those 5 turnovers??
So is it... you must have a meaningful drive of 50 yds or more and a td, in order for it to be meaningful or can it be lesser than 50 yds and result in a td?? SLC had, what, 18 1st downs and MNW had, what, 20 or 21?? I wonder where they were going with all those 1st downs?? I guess nowhere. They must have been standing still, while getting 1st downs.
Your argument is pointless. But your obssession is noted.
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:46 PM
SLC lost to clearly the best team in the Nation
clearly?
what makes you sure?
Maxpreps had them #18 going intot he SLC game
you know more than maxpreps?
MNW is better than ST X CLEARLY?
MNW is better than any top team in Cali CLEARLY?
MNW is better than any team in the nation CLEARLY?
just cuz they beat a no heart team who had 42 points socred on them one week later?
ya the evidence is overwhelming
consumerman
09-23-07, 05:49 PM
They beat a so-so Florida team by 10 pts.. while also giving up 6 turnovers.
Ohhhhhhh.... so now it's a meaningful scoring drive of "over 50 yards"???? Because I didn't see MNW make too many drives of over 50 yds, as well. The interception by Riley, that Spence returned to the SLC, what, 25 yd line.. wasn't a 50+ yd scoring drive. Their were goofy penalties that kept one of MNW's drive going, in which they scored on. How does MNW get 5 turnovers, but none of their 29 pts comes from those 5 turnovers??
So is it... you must have a meaningful drive of 50 yds or more and a td, in order for it to be meaningful or can it be lesser than 50 yds and result in a td?? SLC had, what, 18 1st downs and MNW had, what, 20 or 21?? I wonder where they were going with all those 1st downs?? I guess nowhere. They must have been standing still, while getting 1st downs.
Your argument is pointless. But your obssession is noted.
you dont get it
first downs dont win football games
yards dont win football games
choke turnovers LOSE football games
points win football games
In 1986, the 49ers had 506 yards of offense against the Redskins
they lost 14-6
POINTS WIN GAMES
first downs and yards gained are excuses for losers
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:50 PM
we get how many yards and how many choke turnovers they had
WHAT MEANINGFUL SCORING DRIVE OF OVER 50 YARDS DID THEY HAVE AFTER THEIR FIRST POSSESSION??????????????????
Over 50 yds?? That's hilariouis. Those SEC games, that are won 10-7 aren't worth much, I guess. How about those Ohio games, like Colerain vs St. X - a few years back. Those were horrible teams, because they didn't several produce 50+ yd scoring drives.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 05:53 PM
you dont get it
first downs dont win football games
yards dont win football games
choke turnovers LOSE football games
points win football games
In 1986, the 49ers had 506 yards of offense against the Redskins
they lost 14-6
POINTS WIN GAMES
first downs and yards gained are excuses for losers
Any moron knows that, twister. Then again you're the one saying MNW took a mercy knee. According to your logic, it's about what happened and not what could've happened. I can't say if Riley threw that fade to the endzone (instead of the back-up) SLC would've scored becuase a SLC-WR was wide open. Why??? Because taht's assumption. Just like saying MNW took a mercy knee... because we know for a fact that they would've scored on SLC.
You're sounding pretty goofy, no. Give the obssession a rest.
consumerman
09-23-07, 06:10 PM
In 1998, De La Salle with its then 78 game win streak, played Mater Dei who was USA Today National Champion in 1994 and 1996 in what was called the most anticipated game in high school history.
DLS first string QB was knocked out late in the first half and the second string QB had to come in.
Differences between DLS and SLC
DLS won the game (Mater Dei finished the season #2 in the country)
SLC lost their game
DLS did not have the second string QB make any turnovers
Fan like you are making crybaby excuses about the second string QB throwing an intereception
Maybe the SLC coach should have made a better coaching decision
Maybe the SLC coach should have made the second string QB better in practice
Quit whining
SLC lost
and then gave up 42 points one week later
I can see why you are upset
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-23-07, 07:08 PM
In 1998, De La Salle with its then 78 game win streak, played Mater Dei who was USA Today National Champion in 1994 and 1996 in what was called the most anticipated game in high school history.
DLS first string QB was knocked out late in the first half and the second string QB had to come in.
Differences between DLS and SLC
DLS won the game (Mater Dei finished the season #2 in the country)
SLC lost their game
DLS did not have the second string QB make any turnovers
Fan like you are making crybaby excuses about the second string QB throwing an intereception
Maybe the SLC coach should have made a better coaching decision
Maybe the SLC coach should have made the second string QB better in practice
Quit whining
SLC lost
and then gave up 42 points one week later
I can see why you are upset
Again - for the blind - I'm not a SLC fan. And... I know SLC lost. Moving on..
steeler 01
09-23-07, 07:15 PM
In 1998, De La Salle with its then 78 game win streak, played Mater Dei who was USA Today National Champion in 1994 and 1996 in what was called the most anticipated game in high school history.
DLS first string QB was knocked out late in the first half and the second string QB had to come in.
Differences between DLS and SLC
DLS won the game (Mater Dei finished the season #2 in the country)
SLC lost their game
DLS did not have the second string QB make any turnovers
Fan like you are making crybaby excuses about the second string QB throwing an intereception
Maybe the SLC coach should have made a better coaching decision
Maybe the SLC coach should have made the second string QB better in practice
Quit whining
SLC lost
and then gave up 42 points one week later
I can see why you are upset
Vinny Padilla was never knocked out of the game against Mater Dei in 1998. I think your talking about the 2003 ECA game where Lopina tore his ACL.
consumerman
09-23-07, 07:24 PM
Vinny Padilla was never knocked out of the game against Mater Dei in 1998. I think your talking about the 2003 ECA game where Lopina tore his ACL.
you wanna bet 10000 dollars
DLS was leading 21-7 and had just stuffed Mater Dei after they had a 70 yard KO return
DLS ran a few option plays and on 1 play Padilla was pummelled hard near the MD sideline (it was close to ahit OOB)
Padilla left the game his shoulder drooping badly
wide receiver Shaun Eidson moved to QB and DLS continued to run the option
Padilla retunred after halftime
be warned, I am almost never wrong about DLS
especially games I have on tape
Bordertown
09-23-07, 09:30 PM
I apologize to All DLS fans that are good football fans. But for Consumerman's sake, I hope DLS does not win another football game. He has already made my househould of Colgate & Unilever products. I used to have P&G products. When I dealt with them on a business level, I always thought they were arrogant. Now I know my gut feel was correct.
I have tired of his rants. He constantly puts others down to booster is own low self esteem. Calls Texas rednecks. But if I were told to read everyone's post on the national messageboard and pick out a redneck poster, it hands down would be Consumerman. The man cannot even write a paragraph and get all his thoughts on one thread. I predict it will take three threads.
To all the good DLS fans, he is a true embarassment to your school. I think you have been wise in banning him from your facilities. I think the LSD fried his brain just like Bob Dylan's.
I apologize to All DLS fans that are good football fans. But for Consumerman's sake, I hope DLS does not win another football game. He has already made my househould of Colgate & Unilever products. I used to have P&G products. When I dealt with them on a business level, I always thought they were arrogant. Now I know my gut feel was correct.
Either I missed something, or do you go way off topic?
consumerman
09-23-07, 09:35 PM
I apologize to All DLS fans that are good football fans. But for Consumerman's sake, I hope DLS does not win another football game. He has already made my househould of Colgate & Unilever products. I used to have P&G products. When I dealt with them on a business level, I always thought they were arrogant. Now I know my gut feel was correct.
I have tired of his rants. He constantly puts others down to booster is own low self esteem. Calls Texas rednecks. But if I were told to read everyone's post on the national messageboard and pick out a redneck poster, it hands down would be Consumerman. The man cannot even write a paragraph and get all his thoughts on one thread. I predict it will take three threads.
To all the good DLS fans, he is a true embarassment to your school. I think you have been wise in banning him from your facilities. I think the LSD fried his brain just like Bob Dylan's.
3 paragraphs and NOTHING but personal attacks
what do u expect from a redneck
y'all
consumerman
09-23-07, 09:36 PM
Either I missed something, or do you go way off topic?
concur 100%
consumerman
09-23-07, 09:42 PM
I hope DLS does not win another football game.
You have about a 1 in 999999 chance that DLS will never win another game
He has already made my househould of Colgate & Unilever products. I used to have P&G products.
I worked for P&G from 2002 to 2005
Colgate and Palmolive products are fine
Did you get the redneck facial wash?
I also invented the internet
Now you should decide to never use the internet again
PROMISE???????????????????
coletrain06
09-23-07, 09:52 PM
Just curious...what 14 teams would you put above DLS?
What 19 would you put above SLC?
I honestly don't kno because I haven't seen DLS or the majority of the top 25 play. I'm basing most of my rankings off past years rankings and how some of these teams compare to teams I have seen play.
I would rank DLS in around 9 or 10 personally. The reasons I wouldn't put them higher is because they did lose last year and have to prove something before moving up. I hope and think DLS will have a great season and would love to see them return to the top 5. I was very impressed with them last year. It's just still early in football season.
and SLC I would rank around 15. I think St. X is better than SLC. I think Colerain is better than SLC too. If St.X =#2 and Colerain=#12 then I think SLC is about #15. The defense of SLC is not good at all. Thats why I would put 14 teams ahead of them.
steeler 01
09-23-07, 10:13 PM
you wanna bet 10000 dollars
DLS was leading 21-7 and had just stuffed Mater Dei after they had a 70 yard KO return
DLS ran a few option plays and on 1 play Padilla was pummelled hard near the MD sideline (it was close to ahit OOB)
Padilla left the game his shoulder drooping badly
wide receiver Shaun Eidson moved to QB and DLS continued to run the option
Padilla retunred after halftime
be warned, I am almost never wrong about DLS
especially games I have on tape
I was at this game and i don't recall any other qb besides Vinny Padilla playing in that game.
consumerman
09-23-07, 10:25 PM
I was at this game and i don't recall any other qb besides Vinny Padilla playing in that game.
shaun eidson was in for at least 4-6 plays maybe more
he ran for one first down as a QB
trust me
Bordertown
09-23-07, 11:00 PM
Either I missed something, or do you go way off topic?
Off topic with this thread. On topic with Consumerman. He won a big award with P&G in 2003 I think it was. Reading this thread has caused my Consumerman puke bucket to overflow.
SLCDad,
You make it sound like MNW is some bullet proof team... Stop referring to them as "the most talented team that most of us have seen in a long time"....
I stand by that statement.
MNW IS "the most talented team that most of us have seen in a long time." 2006 Lakeland had a lot of D1 players but MNW has more (lots more). MNW has 3 players in the national top 150. They will probably send 8 guys to BCS teams and another 8 (or so) to D1 programs.
They are not bullet proof, but they ARE the most talented team (in terms of the ratings of their recruits) in the nation over the last few years.
Bordertown
09-23-07, 11:08 PM
[B]
I also invented the internet
Now you should decide to never use the internet again
PROMISE???????????????????
I thought Al Gore took credit for the internet.
DLSfanNW
09-23-07, 11:30 PM
I stand by that statement.
MNW IS "the most talented team that most of us have seen in a long time." 2006 Lakeland had a lot of D1 players but MNW has more (lots more). MNW has 3 players in the national top 150. They will probably send 8 guys to BCS teams and another 8 (or so) to D1 programs.
They are not bullet proof, but they ARE the most talented team (in terms of the ratings of their recruits) in the nation over the last few years.
Would you classify them as "Elite"? Who else would make that list?
Would you classify them as "Elite"? Who else would make that list?
Yep. MNW, StX and SLC.
DLSfanNW
09-23-07, 11:55 PM
Yep. MNW, StX and SLC.What would Rockwall be classified as?
What would Rockwall be classified as?
Rockwall is a great team. They were 7-0 in district last year and they are even better this year.
DLSfanNW
09-24-07, 12:12 AM
Great teams come from behind and find a way to win.
Do elite teams give up 42 points? Sounds like allot.
UncleBaldy
09-24-07, 04:41 PM
Take college football to the College Football Forum. This forum is for high school football.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-24-07, 05:00 PM
Take college football to the College Football Forum. This forum is for high school football.
1) It appears someone erased my post. Nice way to be bias... to be expected, on an Ohio board. Hey.. if you can't beat'em.. erase'em!
2) Even if I wanted to go into the College Forum, I can't see it. I assume a few Ohioans convenietly forgot give me axcess. Hey, if I was pwned as much I'd probably pull the same stuff. Again, to be expected on an Ohio board. And, I hope that same someone erased all the threads that don't pertain to the title of this thread.
WoodyHayes
09-24-07, 08:28 PM
1) You would be ashamed to have him as a father, as I'm sure he'd feel the same about you.. for a son.. or daughter.
2) Tre Newton is a solid RB, but I think many people - in Texas - have seen better RB's, than him, this year. I can give you some RB's that I've seen that are better.. Shane Turner (Cy Falls), Kurtis Shaw (Spring HS), Bo Snelson (Pasadena Memorial), Sam McGuffie (Cy Fair), J.Garrett/M.Johnson (Longview) and Kasey Carrier (Pearland). Stop insulting Tre as if you think SLC's the only team Texas has to offer and he's useless.
3) Same thing for Riley Dodge. SLCdad may be offended, but I've always thought of Riley as a system QB. (Graham Harrell'esque) Nearly everyone in Texas - who knew of SLC/Dodge - acknowledged that he was headed to play at Texas as an athlete.. not QB. I've already seen 1 QB, this year, that is light years ahead of Riley.. in QB-Andrew Luck (6'4 221 lbs - committed to Stanford). I've also seen another QB who has a stronger arm than Riley and faster than Riley and may be as efficient as Riley, in Kenric McNeal (6'1 180 lbs/4.4) of Spring HS.
The hatred or jealousy you have of SLC - for their positioning in the National Rankings over the past few years - is obvious. You can deny it, but it's written all over the words you type. Hey, I can't blame you... then again, I've seen so many of your Cali teams and would easily put SLC up against any of them and feel EXCELLENT about SLC's chances. How have you seen this many people so early?
1) It appears someone erased my post. Nice way to be bias... to be expected, on an Ohio board. Hey.. if you can't beat'em.. erase'em!
2) Even if I wanted to go into the College Forum, I can't see it. I assume a few Ohioans convenietly forgot give me axcess. Hey, if I was pwned as much I'd probably pull the same stuff. Again, to be expected on an Ohio board. And, I hope that same someone erased all the threads that don't pertain to the title of this thread.
Dude,
KT2000 won't even allow a registration from someone in Ohio on that board. You really wanna badmouth THIS board???
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-24-07, 09:48 PM
How have you seen this many people so early?
I go to a TON of games, bro. This week, I'm thinking of making 4 games.
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-24-07, 09:50 PM
Dude,
KT2000 won't even allow a registration from someone in Ohio on that board. You really wanna badmouth THIS board???
Call it what you want. What is.. IS.
Dude,
KT2000 won't even allow a registration from someone in Ohio on that board. You really wanna badmouth THIS board???
That's false. There have been many Ohio posters on that board.
That's false. There have been many Ohio posters on that board.
"have been" yes. My registration was recently denied, and I know of 2 others who were too.
UncleBaldy
09-25-07, 06:07 AM
1) It appears someone erased my post. Nice way to be bias... to be expected, on an Ohio board. Hey.. if you can't beat'em.. erase'em!
2) Even if I wanted to go into the College Forum, I can't see it. I assume a few Ohioans convenietly forgot give me axcess. Hey, if I was pwned as much I'd probably pull the same stuff. Again, to be expected on an Ohio board. And, I hope that same someone erased all the threads that don't pertain to the title of this thread.
I erased your posts. This a forum for high school football not college. If you want to talk about college football, fine, take it to the college football forum. As long as posters talk about high school football, I have no problem with their comments.
BTW, I have closed threads for getting way off topic.
Do we have an understanding?
ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe
09-25-07, 08:56 AM
I erased your posts. This a forum for high school football not college. If you want to talk about college football, fine, take it to the college football forum. As long as posters talk about high school football, I have no problem with their comments.
BTW, I have closed threads for getting way off topic.
Do we have an understanding?
What forum do you go to if you want to talk about peoples' families?? Did you make sure to "erase" consumerman's posts, as well?? Didn't think so. That's funny, you erase my post, but don't allow me into the College forum, so that I don't hurt the feelings of your friends.
Judging from this little stunt (to be expected) and our past disagreements, the only understanding we have is your board represents the football played in the sweaty-armpit of America and.... thank God, I live in Texas. No need to get cut-throat... just tell yourself it might be a geographical thing!
DLSfanNW
09-25-07, 09:31 AM
Well USAToday finally ranked The DLS Spartans over the SLC ragons (There is no D)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2007-super25.htm?loc=interstitialskip
PorkopolisPigskin
09-25-07, 09:43 AM
Is SLC even a top 10 team this year? If they keep falling at this rate they won't be in another week or two...
UncleBaldy
09-25-07, 10:16 AM
What forum do you go to if you want to talk about peoples' families?? Did you make sure to "erase" consumerman's posts, as well?? Didn't think so. That's funny, you erase my post, but don't allow me into the College forum, so that I don't hurt the feelings of your friends.
Judging from this little stunt (to be expected) and our past disagreements, the only understanding we have is your board represents the football played in the sweaty-armpit of America and.... thank God, I live in Texas. No need to get cut-throat... just tell yourself it might be a geographical thing!
And I have made several comments about reigning things in since my return from Crete. I was there for the last week and a half on behalf of the DoD and did not have the capability of moderating because I did not have internet access from my company laptop.
Other points:
1. I have erased some of consumerman's posts in the past. If I had had access I would have done so this time. It doesn't make sense for me to go back and erase posts that are days old.
2. He isn't the only one guilty of this.
3. I am not a moderator for the college football forum and have nothing to do with your access to that forum, I am only a moderator for this forum.
4. I am trying to keep this forum different from the College Football Forum where they ban you for just about everything.
DLSfanNW
09-25-07, 10:19 AM
Is SLC even a top 10 team this year? If they keep falling at this rate they won't be in another week or two...
I figured they would drop after they gave up 42. Elite teams just don't do that.
Chicago
09-25-07, 10:27 AM
"3. I am not a moderator for the college football forum and have nothing to do with your access to that forum, I am only a moderator for this forum.
4. I am trying to keep this forum different from the College Football Forum where they ban you for just about everything."
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I could do without as_f__k or whatever his name is moderating this board, too.
Chicago
09-25-07, 10:31 AM
Is this thread done, anyway, since SLC is not in the National top three anymore (other than in PrepNation, it seems)?
consumerman
09-25-07, 10:34 AM
Is this thread done, anyway, since SLC is not in the National top three anymore (other than in PrepNation, it seems)?
lol
what is the Tommy Petty song?
F R E E F A L L I N G
DLSfanNW
09-25-07, 10:39 AM
I am sure the 'ragons (no D) will be back.
consumerman
09-25-07, 10:55 AM
I am sure the 'ragons (no D) will be back.
lol
with a few (apple) turnovers as well
Chicago
09-25-07, 10:59 AM
Do any SLC guys play both ways?
I am guessing it doesn't happen much in Texas 5A.
I know it happens at DLS (and many others schools).
And what about at St. Xavier?
UncleBaldy
09-25-07, 11:00 AM
Do any SLC guys play both ways?
I am guessing it doesn't happen much in Texas 5A.
I know it happens at DLS (and many others schools).
And what about at St. Xavier?
I believe very few players play both ways for St. X. For the most part, I have been trying to think of one over the last 4-5 years and can't. Help me out here X fans.
Chicago
09-25-07, 11:15 AM
I know Moeller guys never went two ways by the end of Faust's time there.
But a lot of their opponents did.
I read that Moeller was one of the first in Ohio to use 22 guys.
Do any SLC guys play both ways?
I am guessing it doesn't happen much in Texas 5A.
I know it happens at DLS (and many others schools).
And what about at St. Xavier?
No SLC players play both ways. As far as I know it hasn't happened in many years.
Well USAToday finally ranked The DLS Spartans over the SLC ragons (There is no D)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2007-super25.htm?loc=interstitialskip
USA Today has loved DLS for whatever reason. In 2006 USA Today the was only poll to have DLS #1 prior to their loss to Canyon.
If you use ALL of the polls, DLS was 16th last week and will be close to that again this week. SLC was #3 last week and will remain in the Top 5 this week when all the polls are in.
Chicago
09-25-07, 11:58 AM
TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!
Trading Places.
TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!
Trading Places.
SLC is getting the benefit of the doubt because of the extremely tough schedule they have played. SLC's strength of schedule is the toughest of any team ranked in the Top 20 (using the Freeman/Calpreps model).
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UncleBaldy
09-25-07, 12:30 PM
TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!!
Trading Places.
Now, THAT was funny. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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