Are Barberton's Days In The SL Numbered?

[GRPride86]

I heard last night that the AD's from all the other schools in the Suburban League are thinking about voting Barberton out. Has anybody else heard this?

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[Coach1968]

wouldnt bother me at all. SL is full of pompus fans who have way to high an opinion of themselves. They act like they all play in the GCL.

[wazoo]

I heard last night that the AD's from all the other schools in the Suburban League are thinking about voting Barberton out. Has anybody else heard this?.

Care to expand on your rumor? If Barberton would leave, who would be their replacement? Personally, I find this hard to believe.

[100club]

Outside of a good wrestling team and a pretty good basketball team, Barberton is not very good. I heard their swim team only has like 4 kids on it and we all know there football team has room for improvement.

[MagicsMomof8]

Quite frankly Barberton had no business in the SL in the first place - everyone knew it when it was happening.

As far as the SL being full of pompus fans - - - well folks seems the ol' Magic City tooted their own horn before they owned the car.. I don't disagree with the post - but we can't exclude ourselves either.

[buckfan1017]

As it stands now Barberton has won 50% of the SL titles in basketball.... not too shabby in my book. Copley is having a good year.

[buckfan1017]

No one is being sore losers. SL fans (not all) have been pompus and done nothing but talk down to Barberton fans since the day we joined the SL. Why should Barberton fans be in such a hurry to be nice to them? Your football comment is just another example of what Coach was saying.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

Barberton is a huge D1 district? If we are huge, what is Mentor and Colerain?

[OLDMAGICIAN]

Mentor and Colerain are good, what are you?

You didnt answer the question. Barberton is not even close to being a huge D1 district. Mentor and Colerain are "Huge D1 Districts".

What are we? What are you?

[buckfan1017]

Well your beloved Indians are 1-2 against us since we joined the SL. If we aren't good at all... what does that make Copley?

[OLDMAGICIAN]

This has been a common complaint since we joined yet I have never heard or seen any proof that anyone claimed we were going to dominate anyone.

[GRPride86]

Care to expand on your rumor? If Barberton would leave, who would be their replacement? Personally, I find this hard to believe.

I can't expand. That's why I asked if anyone else had heard about this.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

I dont think it will happen ,who would be the 8th school to join?

Nordonia? Probably should have been admitted when Norton left but i think the Knights are happy where they are now.

Lake? They are not leaving the federal league any time soon.

Cuyahoga falls and Stow? I dont think you could take one without the other.

[frankie]

The Magics will prove to be competitive in most sports. All communities have a down period and we have experienced one. We are not as bad as some will have you believe nor as good others on cloud 9 think. We will return and be in the race for SL titles soon. Meanwhile Magic fans need to stand tall and help boost all of our teams. This has always been a strong sports community and we are hurting... but the pain will only make us stronger and with more resolve. All you can ask of any athlete is to give his best... When they do we can and will accept the results... GO MAGICS.... & Beat Copley ! There will always be someone in the bottom of the league we and they do not get kicked out. OUR DAY WILL COME !!!

[GRPride86]

How sad that the moderators have chosen to delete several of the posts on this thread.


:Ohno: :Ohno:

[100club]

Well your beloved Indians are 1-2 against us since we joined the SL. If we aren't good at all... what does that make Copley?

Undefeated

[magicsilb]

Hey, they deleted mine and I didn't say anything except how nice of a guy indians 26 seemed to be.

I never thought Barberton should be in the SL either way. Barberton, Akron, and Falls kids fit together not Revere, Tallmadge, and Green with Barberton. I just wish Falls, Barberton, and Stow could have gotten something together on a new league and maybe included Norton and/or Coventry instead of them running to Portage County every Friday. I just never thought the SL and Barberton were a fit.

[100club]

The Magics will prove to be competitive in most sports. All communities have a down period and we have experienced one. We are not as bad as some will have you believe nor as good others on cloud 9 think. We will return and be in the race for SL titles soon. Meanwhile Magic fans need to stand tall and help boost all of our teams. This has always been a strong sports community and we are hurting... but the pain will only make us stronger and with more resolve. All you can ask of any athlete is to give his best... When they do we can and will accept the results... GO MAGICS.... & Beat Copley ! There will always be someone in the bottom of the league we and they do not get kicked out. OUR DAY WILL COME !!!

Copley beat Barberton @ Barberton this year so what makes you think that they stand a chance against Copley @ Copley?

[100club]

Hey, they deleted mine and I didn't say anything except how nice of a guy indians 26 seemed to be.

I never thought Barberton should be in the SL either way. Barberton, Akron, and Falls kids fit together not Revere, Tallmadge, and Green with Barberton. I just wish Falls, Barberton, and Stow could have gotten something together on a new league and maybe included Norton and/or Coventry instead of them running to Portage County every Friday. I just never thought the SL and Barberton were a fit.

It was weird at first but Norton really doesn't fit in the SL either. I would like to see Hudson in the SL again.

[MagicsMomof8]

Thanks to the moderators for cleaning this up a bit.

[Yappi]

How sad that the moderators have chosen to delete several of the posts on this thread.

Why do you want swearing and namecalling to be the majority of this thread? I went in and deleted all the namecalling and swearing (mostly from one individual) and then deleted posts that were orphaned without those inappropriate posts.

It's tough enough to keep this site up and running and paying all the bills when the advertisers don't want to advertise. Namecalling, swearing. and nastiness from posters is one reason that some mention when turning it down. Sadly, not one Barberton business has stepped up.

The choice is basically pretty simple, either get advertisers to help pay the bills and moderate the forum to a reasonable degree or force every individual on the site to pay a fee to post. I prefer allowing everyone to post until they show they are not mature enough to do so rather than charging people for that same right.

[Yappi]

On topic, it would be foolish of the Suburban League to kick Barberton out without a solid reason. They have the ability to compete in multiple sports and will get there when the right coaches are in place. Barberton is going through a major change by switching from open-enrollment to only taking students from their district. The pipeline of athletes has significantly changed and it will take some time before they are back up to the level they could be at.

Also, who would replace them? Green is more likely to bolt for the Fed than Lake is to come to the SL. Who else could they ask to join? The mammoth schools like Stow, Cuy Falls, or Hudson? Portage schools like Kent or Ravenna? Medina county schools like Medina?

[GRPride86]

Lake has shown interest in joining the SL.

[magicsilb]

Yappi, I wonder how anyone thinks Barberton has been an open enrollment program, ever. I think that is a major misnomer. They have allowed OE in certain situations and probably let it get out of control here and there but they have always checked OE for the football program, ask Glaze and Flossie -alot of Akron boys were refused and few ever made it in.

I also think there is one point about this league that needs pointed out - why did Barberton get into a league called the Suburban League when there is nothing suburban about Barberton? Because they thought they were too good for the likes of Coventry and had no where else to turn.

I am so tired of blaming coaches for the problems in Barberton. The major problem is that the powers that be refuse to accept Barberton for what it is, as close to an Akron city school as you can get without being one. Make the comparison between Barberton, Kenmore, and Ellet then make a comparison between Barberton, Green, and Revere and you will see the truth. You will see that Barberton is darn near a city school with a worse grad. rate.

[MagicsMomof8]

Ouch -- That stung a bit.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

Yappi, I wonder how anyone thinks Barberton has been an open enrollment program, ever. I think that is a major misnomer. They have allowed OE in certain situations and probably let it get out of control here and there but they have always checked OE for the football program, ask Glaze and Flossie -alot of Akron boys were refused and few ever made it in.

I also think there is one point about this league that needs pointed out - why did Barberton get into a league called the Suburban League when there is nothing suburban about Barberton? Because they thought they were too good for the likes of Coventry and had no where else to turn.

I am so tired of blaming coaches for the problems in Barberton. The major problem is that the powers that be refuse to accept Barberton for what it is, as close to an Akron city school as you can get without being one. Make the comparison between Barberton, Kenmore, and Ellet then make a comparison between Barberton, Green, and Revere and you will see the truth. You will see that Barberton is darn near a city school with a worse grad. rate.

Barberton could have stayed in the WRC but chose not to. Barberton did not like the direction of the WRC and applied for the SL when Norton announced they were leaving. Had the SL chosen Nordonia, Barberton would still be in the WRC, no one was forcing us out.

The real reason we even applied for the SL is so Joe clark and some other administrators could be closer to their buddies. There is nothing better than seeing joe clark sitting on the Wadsworth side during barberton/wadsworth games.

[magicsilb]

They jumped from the WRC because they felt they couldn't compete with the large schools like Solon and didn't want to travel to Cuyahoga County. It was a money issue more than anything, so in a certain respect - they were forced out, mostly by the exit of Kent and Ravenna.

As far as Joe Clark sitting on the Wadsworth side. That is exactly what I've been saying for awhile. The powers that be don't want Barberton to be what it is. They all want to change Barberton instead of embracing it. Rob Culbertson thinks so much of our school system that he sent his kids to Norton, yet that goof is on the committee to hire the new coach. Give me a break.

[wazoo]

I for one am glad that Barberton joined the Suburban League and would hate to see you go. Geographically, its a great fit. Size wise, it's becoming a good fit. Facilities wise, it's a really nice fit. Athletically, you do well in some sports, not so well in others - welcome to the club. You'll get your first SL football victory and hopefully someday Revere will beat you in basketball (I'm not holding my breath, though). As far as certain fans from SL schools (including some posters to these forums), every school has its lunatic fringe. They don't speak for the majority - remember that. I'd be willing to bet most are glad you're in the league and don't even give it a second thought. Looking forward to eating some more of your chicken the next time Revere heads over to Schembechler Way.

[magicsgirl1980]

As far as Joe Clark sitting on the Wadsworth side. That is exactly what I've been saying for awhile. The powers that be don't want Barberton to be what it is. They all want to change Barberton instead of embracing it. Rob Culbertson thinks so much of our school system that he sent his kids to Norton, yet that goof is on the committee to hire the new coach. Give me a break.

exactly, nobody from BARBERTON is running BARBERTON anymore!

[AllThe Way#1]

Well, some of you do not feel that Barberton belongs in the SL. Let me ask, what makes one a good fit for the SL? Is it the financial status of the folks who live in the community? Is it the size of your home? Is it the kind of vehicle you drive? Someone mentioned that we were as close to a city school as you could get. What are you all trying to say????? What makes some of you feel that your school belongs and ours does not? Some of our teams are competitive. Same holds true for every other school out there. I will have to say that overall, our school has the nicest facilities in the SL. I have heard over and over from numerous folks from other SL schools about how they love the facilities at Barberton. They are right, it is very nice. You also can not base "belonging" on Football alone; it is not the only sport out there. If this whole SL thing stems around financial status......you all need to step back and realize that your players put their pants on the same way that ours do; one leg at a time!

[OLDMAGICIAN]

exactly, nobody from BARBERTON is running BARBERTON anymore!


that is why it is very important that no one vote for Shreiner, Miller or McQuaide in November. Anyone who does should be publicly whipped.

[OhioBobcatFan06]

wouldnt bother me at all. SL is full of pompus fans who have way to high an opinion of themselves. They act like they all play in the GCL.
Not a fair statement. My strong dislike of Barberton ever since the joining of the league is for two reasons, one of them is because of the fans.
Barberton fans have acted better then the rest of the SL since joining. The fans expected that tradition alone would come in and roll the league over. It hasn't.

Going more on topic I move to my other reason.
Barberton doesn't fit, they never have.

The majority of SL schools are growing in size. Highland, Green, Copley, Wadsworth, Revere all have growing, if not booming communities. (Not as sure about Tallmadge, Cloverleaf?) Barberton doesn't. It's sad to see, but it is the truth.
The other reason they don't fit, a look at ALL the sports, and lets not forget about girls. I wouldn't be surprised if Barberton finished last in the league in over 50% of the sports last year. 50% between all the SL's Boys and Girls sports programs. Many coaches I know were upset when Barberton's joining was announced, the competition just isn't their in the secondary sports.

[frankie]

Copley beat Barberton @ Barberton this year so what makes you think that they stand a chance against Copley @ Copley?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------You will learn as others have not to count the Magics out.. they will fight you and could well be the team to knock Copley off. You earned the win here in the Magic City... but you will have to earn it in Copley too... We will not give it to you.. Go Magics

[frankie]

Undefeated

FOR NOW

[OLDMAGICIAN]

From a sports point of view (not academics), Barberton is a pretty good fit for the SL. In a way, this is sad, because in the good old days, Barberton would have stomped most of the SL schools in most sports. But the decline of the city has changed that, and probably forever.

Barberton will eventually be competitive in most of the sports simply because they are one of the bigger SL schools.

No one talks about it much, but I think the bigger issue by far is academics. Barberton needs to keep working on improving its performance, and I wonder if being part of the SL helps in any way. If Barberton as a city and community want to be successful in the future, they absolutely must drastically improve their academic standing. Great schools (moreso than great athletics) lead to higher property values, more business, graduates staying home, etc. Barberton can do this, and I hope to see it soon.

By far the thing that bothers me the most is academics. it is sad because the test scores and graduation rates give the impression that the education here is bad. barberton really does have a good school system it is just that there are too many amha kids and too many open enrollment kids who come from broken homes. Every week in the barberton Herald, you read a list of Barberton grads who have made the deans list at various universities. Dustin Gillenwater is at or near the top of his class at West Point. You cant do that if you have a poor high school education. It just bothers me that so many good kids get lumped in with the bad and the ones who were elected or hired to change things for the better dont seem to care.

[magicsilb]

Having graduated from Barberton as well as family members recently - I want to make this statement.

1st. You can get an excellent education in the Barberton School system, period. The teachers there are very good in most respects and the facilties are phenominal, thanks to the sale of the hospital. Most of us went to school on Hopican and if you haven't been in the new school you need to see it. The truth is this - you can only get a good education if you make an effort to do so, period. That goes for kids from St.V to Hudson to Green to Tallmadge to Barberton.

2nd - If the above is true, and Barberton's numbers, academically, are not very good - what does that say about a good portion of our community? If you as a student are responsible along with your parents for your education and 30 to 40 percent (more like 50% because some cruise through and graduate with the minimum) could care less about their future, why would they care about athletics? That points to low turn-out for football, track, baseball. You can't count Basketball in this because they cut players and don't need numbers just athletes. Football has the athletes but no numbers.

All this goes back to my point that there are bigger problems in Barberton than the Head Football Coach.

[magicfan]

By far the thing that bothers me the most is academics. it is sad because the test scores and graduation rates give the impression that the education here is bad. barberton really does have a good school system it is just that there are too many amha kids and too many open enrollment kids who come from broken homes.

Show us some facts that all AMHA and Open Enrollment Students are the ones causing the bad test scores, and bringing down the Graduation Rate. Did you research this or just come to the conclusion, that if 1 AMHA kid or 1 Open enrolled Student is bad, they all must be bad?
Also do you know for a fact that most of the AMHA or Open Enrolled Students come from broken Homes? If so please show the stats, I would love to see them!:shrug:

[Coach1968]

thank you magicfan, those racist comments always bother me. You know what happens when you assume.....

[Coach1968]

Sometimes I'm afraid the whole open enrollment issue borders racial bias. Now, don't get me wrong I am not claiming ALL opposed to open enrollment are racists by any means. But you do have to wonder about some comments you hear and read. I still don't understand why you keep someone out of your school who WANTS to come there. I don't understand why we turn a deaf's ear to those who want help. When President Bush passed "no child left behind" it may be flawed but the concept should be true. Not every child who wants to open enroll is bad child, not every child who struggles in school is a bad child. Instead of dismissing them so easily why aren't we saying.. we will try to help... sure, not all can be helped. But I know I sleep better at night knowing I tried. Someone said the new football coach isnt the biggest problem at Barberton and I certainly agree. But our biggest problem at Barberton isnt the principal, the AD, the BOE or any adult. It's the children who want help... and instead of helping we sit around and argue who should help and how. Get involved, go to school board meetings, volunteer at a school or an after school program, coach a little league team... get to know the children, not just your own. I feel your perspective about what is important might change. You may no longer care where a principal or football coach lives.

[MagicsMomof8]

Again it seems to me there's such a quickness to pass the buck and lack of parents STEPPING UP AND TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY for the actions of their own students and looking to place that blame on "those people" down the street. Won't that foster a REAL sense of community. Thanks neighbor.

[Bdevil4life]

Someone said the new football coach isnt the biggest problem at Barberton and I certainly agree. But our biggest problem at Barberton isnt the principal, the AD, the BOE or any adult. It's the children who want help... and instead of helping we sit around and argue who should help and how. Get involved, go to school board meetings, volunteer at a school or an after school program, coach a little league team... get to know the children, not just your own. I feel your perspective about what is important might change. You may no longer care where a principal or football coach lives.

:clap: Very well said

[Buck47]

Just as a slight aside, AMHA is only a part of the problem. The bigger headache are the gazillion run-down rental units that the city does not monitor. If the city did a better job with code enforcement, we could attract some more responsible folks which would help the schools.

Barberton has a contract with AMHA for 600+ units. They are not going away.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

I didnt make any racist comment but typically, certain posters must take things out of context. All you have to do is check test scores/graduation rates of districts that have metropolitan housing as opposed to those who dont.

Akron, Barberton, Cleveland, Canton all have bad test scores while hudson, Wadsworth, green, Jackson have much better performance. This cannot be denied.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

thank you magicfan, those racist comments always bother me. You know what happens when you assume.....


The fact that you believe that amha is made up only of non-white people shows that YOU are the racist.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

Just as a slight aside, AMHA is only a part of the problem. The bigger headache are the gazillion run-down rental units that the city does not monitor. If the city did a better job with code enforcement, we could attract some more responsible folks which would help the schools.

Barberton has a contract with AMHA for 600+ units. They are not going away.


this is a very good post.

[magicsilb]

I think everyone except Coach is missing the point. Why do we all want to generalize and pass the buck? I remember going to school with two kids from Barberton who's parents lived in a nice neighborhood on the westside with good jobs. Their kids both have done time in prison since because they paid no attention to the stuff they got into in high school. Its not just AMHA or Rentals, though I suppose they don't help, it the overall apathy of a good amount of people in town and a williness to run down those who have given their time, money, and effort.

[magicfan]

magicsilb
Your right!
I wonder how many parents know about, or use the ProgressBook web site, to access their childs Grades, Attendence, Homework Assignments? I know I do, my Daughter probably hates me for it. But it's a great tool to stay on top of things. All kids slip up now and then, its up to the parents to put them back on track, not the Teachers, Board Members, Principal, or someone else.

[MagicsMomof8]

magicsilb
Your right!
I wonder how many parents know about, or use the ProgressBook web site, to access their childs Grades, Attendence, Homework Assignments? I know I do, my Daughter probably hates me for it. But it's a great tool to stay on top of things. All kids slip up now and then, its up to the parents to put them back on track, not the Teachers, Board Members, Principal, or someone else.

I just emailed ULL's guidance counselor today over an issue I'd found posted yesterday in my dd's grades. This is a WONDERFUL tool and way under used I'm sure.

[purpleprincess]

Just as a slight aside, AMHA is only a part of the problem. The bigger headache are the gazillion run-down rental units that the city does not monitor. If the city did a better job with code enforcement, we could attract some more responsible folks which would help the schools.

Barberton has a contract with AMHA for 600+ units. They are not going away.

I thought I heard a "RUMOR" that they were not going to renew the contract with AMHA for the units by the high school.
Anyone?

[magicsilb]

They have been saying that for years, I heard that the other day as well. It won't happen as long as the money is as good as it is and the NAACP has a say.

[purpleprincess]

OK... WAY off topic here but I gotta vent!

Last week (I believe it was Friday the 12th) we drove past the City Building, and here they still had their Christmas lights up and ON! HELLO! The city is always complaining that money is tight- and last time I checked, Christmas lights seem to use quite a bit of electricity! They should have been off and/or down right after the new year!

Sorry, it's a real pet peeve of mine. Especially since we had all that mild weather where they could have taken them down!

[MagicsMomof8]

I've heard the same thing. Any thoughts on the private landlords who are allowing their units to become substandard? Landlords allowing drugs to be manufactured and sold from units as "offices" but rented as homes? Look folks this is an issue.. possibly for another thread? I'm TRUTHFULLY interested in avenues to explore that will do something positive.

On the flip side - there could be a real diamond in the rough in the units by the high school - we may read about them in the papers going to another school someday.. Eliminating the development isn't going to be the answer to the city's problems.

[Buck47]

I thought I heard a "RUMOR" that they were not going to renew the contract with AMHA for the units by the high school.
Anyone?

Not really a "renew" situation. The city is responsible for helping to relocate the residents there if it should decide it no longer wants those units. So where exactly do you relocate those tenants? You gonna drop them by helicopter into Hudson or Green?

It's not as easy as the city saying "we have too much AMHA. Let's move it somewhere else."

That's why I'm saying, the city should fix what it can control, like getting the slumlords out of here. We have 55 firefighters in Barberton and only four or five building inspectors. Put a levy on the ballot to hire some building dept. people. I'd vote for that one right now over a fire levy.

[wazoo]

Barberton doesn't fit, they never have.

The majority of SL schools are growing in size. Highland, Green, Copley, Wadsworth, Revere all have growing, if not booming communities. (Not as sure about Tallmadge, Cloverleaf?) Barberton doesn't. It's sad to see, but it is the truth.
The other reason they don't fit, a look at ALL the sports, and lets not forget about girls. I wouldn't be surprised if Barberton finished last in the league in over 50% of the sports last year. 50% between all the SL's Boys and Girls sports programs. Many coaches I know were upset when Barberton's joining was announced, the competition just isn't their in the secondary sports.

Who cares if they are a growing community or not. They fit geographically, their facilities are better than most others in the SL and they fit size wise. The SL should kick them out because the city is not booming economically? That's crazy. Most of NE Ohio isn't booming economically.

As for their athletic accomplishments in "secondary" sports, anyone have any facts instead of offering opinion?

It's time to put this issue to bed and quit trashing our neighboring communities. Summit County as a whole needs Barberton to succeed economically. We are all part of a region that's not growing much at all. Spare me the comments about this or that SL community that opened a new shopping plaza or a new McMansion neighborhood. That's peanuts. When was the last time anyone in NE Ohio opened a new office or factory that brought in 500 or 1,000 new high paying jobs like Phoenix, Minneapolis, Atlanta or Seattle? (Moving an office from a surrounding commuunity doesn't count.) That's real economic activity and we in greater Akron don't have it. We all have plenty of work to do on the economic front without pointing fingers.

[Happy Kyne]

I like having Barberton in the SL as well. None of the schools in the SL are perfect matches to each other. If anything, it would be nice to add Medina and another DI school like a Jackson or a Brunswick. If the SL fell apart, I would love to see a Medina County League established. The only one that probably couldn't handle that would be Black River.

[OLDMAGICIAN]

Not really a "renew" situation. The city is responsible for helping to relocate the residents there if it should decide it no longer wants those units. So where exactly do you relocate those tenants? You gonna drop them by helicopter into Hudson or Green?

It's not as easy as the city saying "we have too much AMHA. Let's move it somewhere else."

That's why I'm saying, the city should fix what it can control, like getting the slumlords out of here. We have 55 firefighters in Barberton and only four or five building inspectors. Put a levy on the ballot to hire some building dept. people. I'd vote for that one right now over a fire levy.


Frecriss will be able to add to this discussion when he gets some free time. his father in law was a landlord here in barberton until his death last August. frecriss has been helping his mother in law alot with these properties and he is always complaining about something called the fair housing agreement. he says that it gives most of the rights to the tenants and not much to the property owner. i dont know much about it myself but i will ask him if he can spare a minute to post on this.

[magicfan]

frecriss has been helping his mother in law alot with these properties and he is always complaining about something called the fair housing agreement.

I think this agreement has been around since the late 80's, it's almost 20 years old. Quite a bit of Barberton has older cheaper houses to buy. Cheap Housing draws lower income family's, Section 8 housing, and slum lords.

[GRPride86]

Wait, wait, wait,

I can "flip" that house:

http://www.lepra.org.uk/images/Brazil_slum.jpg

[magicfan]

Wait that's my old neighborhood!

[MagicsMomof8]

If my "landlord" doesn't do something quickly that could be my neighborhood.

[frecriss]

I think this agreement has been around since the late 80's, it's almost 20 years old. Quite a bit of Barberton has older cheaper houses to buy. Cheap Housing draws lower income family's, Section 8 housing, and slum lords.

But its the quality of people who have moved into these houses over the last 10 years. What happend with us was that we were making repairs to an occupied house. The house is filthy from attic to basement. When it was suggested to the tenants that they respect the property owner and keep the house clean, they became angry at us. About a week later, my Mother-In-Law received a letter saying that what we said to the tenants was unfair and that we were never to make any more "Derogatory" comments to them. Asking people to be clean and respectful is derogatory? From what I took from that is that tenants can live any way they want and the property owners are powerless.

[OhioBobcatFan06]

Who cares if they are a growing community or not. They fit geographically, their facilities are better than most others in the SL and they fit size wise. The SL should kick them out because the city is not booming economically? That's crazy. Most of NE Ohio isn't booming economically.

As for their athletic accomplishments in "secondary" sports, anyone have any facts instead of offering opinion?

It's time to put this issue to bed and quit trashing our neighboring communities. Summit County as a whole needs Barberton to succeed economically. We are all part of a region that's not growing much at all. Spare me the comments about this or that SL community that opened a new shopping plaza or a new McMansion neighborhood. That's peanuts. When was the last time anyone in NE Ohio opened a new office or factory that brought in 500 or 1,000 new high paying jobs like Phoenix, Minneapolis, Atlanta or Seattle? (Moving an office from a surrounding commuunity doesn't count.) That's real economic activity and we in greater Akron don't have it. We all have plenty of work to do on the economic front without pointing fingers.
I would love to see the final standings for all the sports. It'd sure be nice if the Suburban League had a webpage with past results and standings... I can offer the following standings for where Barberton finished for sure, anyone else who has other sports standings for Barberton's finishing place please share...
Barberton...
Football 2005: Last
Football 2006: Last
Boys Track 2006: Last
Girls Track 2006: Last
Boys Basketball 2005-2006: First
I'm sure I have CC and Soccer results around, just have to look...

As for the economy, all I am saying is that Barberton doesn't fit. When communities are falling economically schools tend to do the same, 10 years from now I can't see Barberton being as well off as they are now. While the other SL schools I can. That fits into the education part a bit.

[100club]

Copley won a close basketball game yesterday........ like I predicted.

[oldline70]

It was weird at first but Norton really doesn't fit in the SL either. I would like to see Hudson in the SL again.

I don't think it'll happen. Hudson's growth puts them kind of out of the prime SL size.

I think Hudson's days in the SL are long past. They're looking to go bigger (if not better since I think the SL is a great athletic conference).

[magicsilb]

Hudson is perfect in the league they are in. Comparable size and they are all very close to each other except maybe Mayfield who is pretty far north.

[runnindevils]

I hope this is not true.Barberton will start competing at some point ,and when they do you'll start keeping the athletes and getting numbers up.

[AllThe Way#1]

How about these items....

1) If a game is supposed to start at 4, be there, on time, and ready to play like the rest of the teams in the SL.

2) Show some sportsmanship and respect to your fellow league rivals instead of acting like idiots.

And yes, these rumors are true that you may not be in the league for long. A few schools like Lake, Nordonia and Kent want in. Maybe they can follow the rules of the league a little better and not make excuses for everything.

I am not sure what happened about a game not starting at 4 because of the magics. Second, our players and fans have shown great sportsmanship in the SL. Sounds like you may be one of those schools that would like us out and YOU in! Am I correct?

[magicsilb]

so what? If thats the worst, oh well. Please find a point.

[Coach1968]

I agree that Barberton is terrible about getting teams to sites on times for games. It is a busing issue, not a sportsmanship one. I mean, they don't sit around and say, lets show up 45 minutes late. As a former middle school coach in Barberton, it hasn't changed in 20 years and I can tell you its frustrating. As for Barberton getting kicked out of SL, it wont happen because of one simple reason. Money. Barberton still travels better then most schools, especially in basketball, which is one of two high sports that make money. Actually, what will happen is SL will expand to 12 teams. However, your list of teams is as wrong as could be, which shows your ignorance on the subject. Norton just left SL, does not want back in. Lake would never leave Fed, even though they have hard time competing, again...because of money. Kent is quite happy in their league as well. The expansion will add Stow, Hudson, Falls and Nordonia and the league will create 2 six team divisions that are fairer to the smaller schools: Revere (332), Highland (355) and Tallmadge (368). As far as sportsmanship goes... Barberton is one of the most sportsmanlike schools out there (unless you are a basketball ref) their student section has never chanted things I hear from other SL schools and their fan base is loyal and knowledgeable and courteous.

[GRPride86]

I guess it depends on what side of the bars you are looking out from. Sometimes you see what you want to see and not what is really going on. I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong. I'm just saying.

I've got it from pretty good sources that Lake, Nordonia and Kent are looking to make the switch and a lot of the AD's in this league are looking to oust the Magics. Maybe your AD should take a hard long look at this situation and see what needs to be done to correct it.

[MagicsFan]

I emailed all eight SL AD's and asked them to comment on state of league (my employment is such that I am able to get a response), including plans of member subtractions or additions. I received a response so far from five. They all said, in their own words, they are happy with the league as it stands but did not rule out additions in the furture to a 10 team league. I specifically asked a couple if they were happy with the addition of Barberton and they said, that some kinks still need to be worked out, but they are happy. This should put an end to the rumors being spread on this thread.

[buckfan1017]

I can't see Kent looking to get into the SL. They left the WRC to go to the PTC because they couldn't compete... why come to the SL now after the success they are having in the PTC?

[frecriss]

If anyone would join the SL , Falls, Stow or Nordonia would be logical choices.