Federal League 09'-10'

[JBananas23]

It's never too early to start talkin fed. league hoops. Any predicitions of how this league will turn out this year?:shrug:

[HoopHound]

It's never too early to start talkin fed. league hoops. Any predicitions of how this league will turn out this year?:shrug:

I agree, JB... and BTW :welcome: to the Yappi boys hoops forum. We hope you enjoy reading and posting as well as the rest of us!! :cool:

We look forward to your future thoughts and opinions!! :)

Here's some data to help get this thread rolling...

Federal League rosters
(Grade levels adjusted to the '09-'10 season... *indicates returning starter.)

Boardman

*f J.T. Moore 6'3 Sr
*c Chase Hammond 6'4 Sr
c Dayne Hammond 6'4 So
f Kevin Johnson 6'3 Sr
g Veutrae Robinson 6'2 Jr
g Ben Mathey 5'11 Sr
g Joe Hosa 6'0 Sr
g Mark Popovec 6'2 Sr
f G.M. Passas 6'3 Jr
g Dave DeBernardi Jr

Graduated starters.... Soller 6'3 forward, Pesta 6'3 guard, Karzmer 5'9. Also sometime starter Dev'ron Moore 6'4
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Fitch

*DeAndre Richardson 6'1 Sr
*Terry Terrigno 6'1 Sr
*Shane Stevens 6'2 Jr
Jahwuan Pete 5'8 Sr
William Mahone 5'10 So
Matt O'Brien 6'0 Sr
Tyron Underwood 5'9 Jr
Jon Ballard 6'4 Sr

Graduated starters... Miles 5'10, Williams 6'4
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GlenOak

*Turon Parker 6'0 Jr
*Storm Sanders 6'0 Sr
*T.J. Sutton 5'7 Sr
*Jimmy Darnley 6'4 Sr
Branden Means 6'1 Jr <<< guard transferred from McKinley
Brandon Martin 6'0 Sr

Graduated starters... McCollum 6'1
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Hoover

*34 f Cory Veldhuizen 6'4 Sr
*10 g Jimmy Wackerly 5'11 Sr
*14 g Nyles Evans 5'10 Jr
22 g Dan Daugherty 5'10 Sr
50 c Tyler Fausnight 6'4 Sr
20 f Dan Nettleton 6'0 Sr
40 f A J Sarbaugh 6'0 Sr

Graduated starters... Sommers 6'3, Gross 6'7
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Jackson

*f Josh Egner F 6'6 Sr
*c/f Mark Henniger C/F 6'7 Sr
*g Brad DuPont G 6'0 Sr
g Michael Shull G 5'10 Jr
g C.J. Julian G 6'1 Sr
f James Feller F 6'3 Jr
g Nathan Kanam G 5'11 Sr
f Tyler Greaning F 6'2 Jr
f Dave Devine F 6'2 Sr
f Josh Henniger F 6'4 Jr

Graduated starters... Tamburro 5'9, Pace 5'9
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Lake

*33 Connor Groot 6'5 Sr
*35 Derek Sitzlar 6'1 Sr
*41 Trey Vaughn 6'1 Sr
15 Ryan Christiansen 6'3 Sr

Graduated starters... Habeck 6'1, Meffan 5'10
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McKinley

*04 f Chris Davis 6'4 Sr
*45 c Steve Miller 6'4 Jr
*13 g Jamon McClain 5'11 Sr
*15 g Tommie Harris 6'1 Sr
11 g Isiah Elliot 5'7 Sr
21 g Che' Richardson 6'2 Sr
25 g David Morgan 6'0 Sr
33 g Da'Onto' Streeter 5'11 Jr
35 f Zavier Thompson 6'3 Jr
41 c Cecil Smith 6'7 Jr
42 c Da'Vonati Rorie 6'5 So

Graduated starters... Lipkins 5'9
************************************************** **************

Perry

32 f Jordan Humphrey 6'6 So
23 c Dallas Harper 6'9 Jr
54 f Steven Roe 6'6 Jr
02 c Derrick Burkhoulder 6'6 Sr
05 g Brandon Martin 5'10 Jr
00 pg Cy Gurretal 5'7 Sr
10 pg James Toth 5'8 Jr
34 f Connor Stephen 6'2 Sr
11 g Adam Offenburger 6'2 Sr
15 g Brandon Marshall 5'9 Sr
44 g Kevin Vargo 5'9 Sr

Graduated starters... Capuano 5'6, Voican 6'6, Johnson 6'0, Sengos 6'2, Light 5'11
************************************************** **************

The team that seems hardest hit by graduation is obviously Perry as all five starters from the past season are gone.
On a positive note, Perry will have FOUR players with some serious size returning. Three are 6'6, and one is 6'9. If they can find a good point guard and a shooter... they could surprise.

Boardman also was hit hard as their backcourt was entirely wiped out. Another talented frontcourt junior will join his brother in the starting 5... but good guard play looks to be a serious shortage in Spartan country.

Fitch loses two starters including their talented post player... one of only two players over 6'3 on last season's roster. It appears the new Fitch coach has a very tall hill to climb and massive rebuilding of the program.

Lake loses two starters, but Coach McBride will likely have serious depth problems this coming season. Interestingly, he kept EIGHT seniors on last year's squad. It might have been nice last year... but it sucks when literally half your varsity roster departs. I've NEVER understood why ANY coach ever keeps more than 5 or so seniors. Any more than that, and it hurts the program in the long run.

GlenOak did much the same, as SEVEN seniors have departed. The Eagles DO return all-everything Storm Sanders, but a serious lack of size could create match-up problems even Sanders may not be able to overcome.

Hoover returns three starters, but loses their big 6'7 post player along with a 6'3 wing so rebounding COULD be more of a challenge this coming year. The three returnees are all extra-solid, and I believe that Veldhuizen may have been the most underrated high quality player in Stark County.

Jackson returns three starters including the "Big Two" of Egner & Henniger. I expect both will have another big season. How far they can advance the team will depend on the quality of their guard play. Last year's guards were a weak spot in the Polar Bears starting lineup, and it appears that Henniger and Egner will need better help this time around.

McKinley is the most challenging of the FL teams to handicap for '09-'10. They're coming off a 15+ win season that few Pup fans seemed to be very excited about, and only lose ONE starter!!

While not the size of many McKinley teams-of-old, the Bulldogs have some underclass size on the way. Depth should be no problem since Coach Malone gave a lot of kids a good amount of minutes.

My pre-summer, pre-preseason guesses for standings at the end of next year...

#1 Jackson... the Big Two are a year older and a year stronger. Fuline has won big everywhere else he's been... this could be THE year.

#2 McKinley... Lots of starting experience and "deep depth", and should have lots of confidence starting the year. Malone's head appears to finally be off the chopping block. The Pups should be STRONG.

#3 Hoover... Probably the best "threesome" of returning starters. Could bump McK from 2nd if they prove they can rebound.

#4 GlenOak... MUCH experience in the starting lineup that includes the FL's best player. Could swap places with Hoover (and even McK) if they can rebound better than the Vikings.

#5 Boardman... They need some GOOD guard play to get here. Could challenge for a top 4 spot if they can find a shooter AND crafty point.

#6 Perry... photo finish between the Streaks and the Panthers for 6th. Although losing five starters usually = a trying following season... all that size does intrigue me. Like the Spartans, they MUST find some guards.

#7 Lake... with three starters back, it was tough placing the Streaks this far down. I just think inexperience on the bench and lack-of-depth is gonna bite 'em this year.

#8 Fitch... no size to speak of, and no marquee returnees to carry them. Add to that a new coach installing his own system. It'll be another long year for the Falcons.

[MackDawg]

The McKinley roster posted here will change, Brandon Means has transferred to GlenOak, word is Tommie Harris is out, Jamal McClain is said to not want to play next season to concentrate of football? And if all the info I've been getting? David Morgan is also out.
looks as though the Bulldogs will have to rely on underclassmen once again. Supposedly the Bulldogs have some good Freshmen coming up? That is until they get talked into transferring which seems the course of things lately, hopefully the exodus of kids is over?

The Means kid started in the Plain Local system so he really wasn't expected to stay.

[HoopHound]

The McKinley roster posted here will change, Brandon Means has transferred to GlenOak, word is Tommie Harris is out, Jamal McClain is said to not want to play next season to concentrate of football? And if all the info I've been getting? David Morgan is also out.
looks as though the Bulldogs will have to rely on underclassmen once again. Supposedly the Bulldogs have some good Freshmen coming up? That is until they get talked into transferring which seems the course of things lately, hopefully the exodus of kids is over?

The Means kid started in the Plain Local system so he really wasn't expected to stay.

Wow... I'm sorry to hear all that, Mack. :dang:

Not certain what they could have expected from Means... but McClain & Harris were a cinch to be the starting guards. Geez... all that experience those two gained last year wasted. :wallbang:

Hopefully all this is "post-season hang-over" that a lot of kids get after the season ends... then change their minds when the basketballs start bouncing in November.

EDIT: Means name moved to GlenOak roster above.

[SteelValley]

Boardman's front court should be as good as anyone's in the league, except Jackson(but I still think defensively they can give those guys some fits). The Hammond brothers are both very long and will create problems for any team and JT Moore plays like he is about 6'6 or 6'7" and is very strong down low. I would guess Tre Robinson will more than likely be the starter at the 2. He is very athletic and has a decent shot. They need him to improve his ballhandling and 3 pointer though. The point guard spot is totally up for grabs. I would guess Mathey would be the front runner right now. Boardman should be as athletic as anyone in the league, at least starting 5 wise. They will need to find some shooters though to open things up for the big men. I'm guessing until then they will see a lot of zone.

HoopHound,

You can also add Dave DeBernardi, a 6'2" junior guard to the roster. He got some decent PT for the varsity last year as a soph and is probably Boardman's best hope for a consistent outside threat.

Boardman also has a good upcoming frosh in Jamar Stevenson, who is around 6'3". Sounds like he could see some action at at least the JV level, if not see some time at varsity like Dayne Hammond did last year.

My picks for the league:
1.Jackson
2.Hoover
3.Glen Oak
4.Boardman
5.McK (put them here mainly based on the above comments)
6.Lake
7.Perry
8.Fitch

[MackDawg]

Wow... I'm sorry to hear all that, Mack.

Hopefully all this is "post-season hang-over" that a lot of kids get after the season ends... then change their minds when the basketballs start bouncing in November.

What McKinley really has to do is find the reasons why so many kids make a commitment to the program, spend a year or two then "BAM", "I'm transferring".

I shouldn't use the word commitment but something must be done to find why these kids are leaving a storied program like McKinley. I thought perhaps they felt they couldn't live up to the mystic of McKinley, the basketball program in Ohio with the most wins and 3 State titles. But it just might be something else??? I've never seen so many kids leave any program like I've seen lately at McKinley.
However I feel whatever is happening now, will soon stop and the Bulldogs will be back. Last season wasn't as bad as some make it out, the team won more than they lost.

[Shady29]

HoopHound,

You can also add Dave DeBernardi, a 6'2" junior guard to the roster. He got some decent PT for the varsity last year as a soph and is probably Boardman's best hope for a consistent outside threat.

Boardman also has a good upcoming frosh in Jamar Stevenson, who is around 6'3". Sounds like he could see some action at at least the JV level, if not see some time at varsity like Dayne Hammond did last year.

My picks for the league:
1.Jackson
2.Hoover
3.Glen Oak
4.Boardman
5.McK (put them here mainly based on the above comments)
6.Lake
7.Perry
8.Fitch

I think Boardman will have such a strong frontcourt in JT Moore, and the Hammond brothers. They're both extremely athletic, and JT has been an All League player since he was a freshman. I can see DiBernardi develop as a consistent outside threat...Mark Popovec is a hustler and there's a few Jr's who should step up next year from the outside. If Boardman can find a PG to handle pressure, they could turn some heads next year.
1. Hoover
2. Jackson
3. McK
4. Boardman
5. GO
6. Lake
7. Fitch
8. Perry.
(I'm thinking Fitch gets out of the cellar this year!)

[Henry37]

If Nyles Evans continues to grow and get better, how can anybody but Hoover be the favorite? They only lost one starter, didn't they?

[HasBeenn11]

If Nyles Evans continues to grow and get better, how can anybody but Hoover be the favorite? They only lost one starter, didn't they?

I agree. They have the best coach and 4 returning starters. They are easily the favorite to win the league.

[666777]

I agree. They have the best coach and 4 returning starters. They are easily the favorite to win the league.

Yes, Hoover has 4 returning starters however their success against Jackson bigs last year was based on the strategy of 20 fouls to give and they could play physical. While the loss of Gross and Lane will have little impact against the other teams against Jackson it will have an impact. However with Veldhiuzen and Evans they will be competitive and have to be consider one of the top teams. Did not have a strong JV team but a good freshman class.

GO with the addition of Means will be a factor as they have good athletes and can run the floor. They need to learn to play a little defense. Rumor has it they have a big freshman that could have an impact by the end of the season.

Boardman will need to find shooter to stretch the floor to allow their athletes to play inside. If not teams will play zone and pack it in.

McKinley sounds like they are in flux again which is too bad because they had the chance to be special this year. They will improve as the year goes on because they are athletic and will be longer than they were last year.

Lake will be competitive and improve as the year goes on. They have a lot of youth which will take some time to develop but will expect Coach McBride to have them improve as the year progresses. Excellent JV team and good freshman so they will have plenty of players.

Jackson should be the pre-season favorite again as no other team has two D-1 players and yes before everybody says it the guard play must improve and the team must develop a toughness they did not show last year against Hoover if they are to meet expectation.

[Shady29]

If teams play a zone against the Spartans, they will get chewed up on the boards. It's impossible to keep Chase Hammond and JT Moore off the boards, and they will have some shooters.
I just think Hoover is the better coached team, and Jackson doesn't play up to their potential. Nyles reminds me of his brother, and is turning into one heckuva player.

[DanielLaRusso]

Yes, Hoover has 4 returning starters however their success against Jackson bigs last year was based on the strategy of 20 fouls to give and they could play physical. While the loss of Gross and Lane will have little impact against the other teams against Jackson it will have an impact. However with Veldhiuzen and Evans they will be competitive and have to be consider one of the top teams. Did not have a strong JV team but a good freshman class.

GO with the addition of Means will be a factor as they have good athletes and can run the floor. They need to learn to play a little defense. Rumor has it they have a big freshman that could have an impact by the end of the season.

Boardman will need to find shooter to stretch the floor to allow their athletes to play inside. If not teams will play zone and pack it in.

McKinley sounds like they are in flux again which is too bad because they had the chance to be special this year. They will improve as the year goes on because they are athletic and will be longer than they were last year.

Lake will be competitive and improve as the year goes on. They have a lot of youth which will take some time to develop but will expect Coach McBride to have them improve as the year progresses. Excellent JV team and good freshman so they will have plenty of players.

Jackson should be the pre-season favorite again as no other team has two D-1 players and yes before everybody says it the guard play must improve and the team must develop a toughness they did not show last year against Hoover if they are to meet expectation.

Pre-season favorite means nothing, I feel it is all about who can handle pressure, in pressure situations. Look at the Cavs, it was easy to beat teams when there was no pressure on them, they have the MVP, and coach of the year, but it does not amount to much when the other teams wants it more and executes better in those clutch situations. Sometimes that preseason favorite tag is a weight that drags you down. Jackson=Complacency.

[hs sports fan]

GO with the addition of Means will be a factor as they have good athletes and can run the floor. They need to learn to play a little defense. Rumor has it they have a big freshman that could have an impact by the end of the season.


Would you br referring to Brionte Dunn who transferred over from Alliance? He saw some varsity time for the Aviators this past season.

[ohiosportsnut01]

perry returns humphrey who started almost every game. guertal played a ton of minutes and will be that gaurd along with toth and martin. Perry I don't think will be down this year.

[DanielLaRusso]

perry returns humphrey who started almost every game. guertal played a ton of minutes and will be that gaurd along with toth and martin. Perry I don't think will be down this year.

Is it Humphrey or Humphries, you must be a real Perry fan, so I will ask you. Is it true that he stands a whopping 7'2'' now? Good info nutty.

[hs sports fan]

perry returns humphrey who started almost every game. guertal played a ton of minutes and will be that gaurd along with toth and martin. Perry I don't think will be down this year.

Those 3 guards combined to score 91 points last season. They are a huge downgrade from Capuano, Light, Johnson, and Sengos. They will have plenty of size, but only Humphrey has varsity experience.

[BIG ED]

perry returns humphrey who started almost every game. guertal played a ton of minutes and will be that gaurd along with toth and martin. Perry I don't think will be down this year.

Don't bother trying to give a fighting chance to Perry on this thread, cause you will be shot down faster than something in the "no fly zone" over Iraq.
Believe me I've tried and you get jumped on like a Browns fan at Heinz Field.
I'm not predicting anything spectacular for the Panthers this year, but I also feel they will be a better "team" than last year.

[hs sports fan]

Don't bother trying to give a fighting chance to Perry on this thread, cause you will be shot down faster than something in the "no fly zone" over Iraq.
Believe me I've tried and you get jumped on like a Browns fan at Heinz Field.
I'm not predicting anything spectacular for the Panthers this year, but I also feel they will be a better "team" than last year.

Perry was 3-7 in the Federal League last season. They lost 75% of their scoring. It is only logical at this point to think that they will finish near the bottom of the league again cosidering EVERY team that finished ahead of them returns more than they do. But then again, why follow logic when you can be bias toward the team you follow? Perry was supposed to be so good according to some posters on here last year. What happened?

[Shady29]

Perry will be down, and how do people think GO will be that good? They lose their best player, scorer, and leader in McCollum and Sanders is a good PG, but not much of a shooter. I don't know if they have any young kids coming up to make an impact, but Sanders might not have too much help. I know they're supposedly getting a Sub from McKinley, but I'm not sure if he'd help all that much.

[hs sports fan]

Perry will be down, and how do people think GO will be that good? They lose their best player, scorer, and leader in McCollum and Sanders is a good PG, but not much of a shooter. I don't know if they have any young kids coming up to make an impact, but Sanders might not have too much help. I know they're supposedly getting a Sub from McKinley, but I'm not sure if he'd help all that much.

You obviosuly don't know much about GlenOak. Besides Sanders (15.3 ppg), they return starters T.J. Sutton (10.2 ppg and probably the best spot shooter in the county), Jimmy Darnley (7.4 ppg), and Turon Parker (4.8 ppg). The transfer from McKinley, Branden Means, averaged 9.1 ppg for the Bulldogs (3rd on the team). He will probably replace McCollum in the starting lineup. Their bench will be thin though, with Brandon Martin (4.1 ppg) being the only player with varsity experience.

[Shady29]

Sutton didn't impress me much. But who do they have down low!? From the sounds of it, they have guards...no big men. And 4 pts off the bench, doesn't sound very good.

[hs sports fan]

Sutton didn't impress me much. But who do they have down low!? From the sounds of it, they have guards...no big men. And 4 pts off the bench, doesn't sound very good.

They don't have much size, but they haven't the past 2 years either and managed to go 32-13. Sutton hasn't developed much of an overall game, but he is deadly from 3 when left open. The past 2 seasons, Sanders and McCollum have created a lot of open looks for him.

[Shady29]

I think Sutton is going to need to develop more of an all-around game for them to be a good team. Everyone knows what they're gonna get from Storm, but losing McCollum is going to hurt them big time.

[HoopHound]

...HoopHound,

You can also add Dave DeBernardi, a 6'2" junior guard to the roster. He got some decent PT for the varsity last year as a soph and is probably Boardman's best hope for a consistent outside threat. ...

DeBernardi added to above roster as well as "Rosters" thread Boardman roster.

[HoopHound]

Don't bother trying to give a fighting chance to Perry on this thread, cause you will be shot down faster than something in the "no fly zone" over Iraq.
Believe me I've tried and you get jumped on like a Browns fan at Heinz Field.
I'm not predicting anything spectacular for the Panthers this year, but I also feel they will be a better "team" than last year.

I've got the Panthers 6th... where would you place them, Ed?

Do you think top 4? :confused:

I believe #4 would certainly be a tall (no pun intended) order for a squad with so little starting experience. As I mentioned in my post... all their size DOES intrigue me. That being said, tall doesn't always = success on the basketball court. Someone's gotta get the "bigs" the ball AND the bigs have gotta be able to "finish". :shrug:

(I've been wrong before... just ask my wife!! :blush: )

[GOGE]

I think Sutton is going to need to develop more of an all-around game for them to be a good team. Everyone knows what they're gonna get from Storm, but losing McCollum is going to hurt them big time.
Unluckily for GlenOak fans (including myself), I don't see Sutton developing to be more than a spot-up three-point shooter for the Eagles that he has been. At only 5'8'', give or take a few inches, he can't exactly back many players down in the low block. Plus, Sanders is the point guard of the team, so Sutton won't get too many opportunities to handle the ball and run the G.O. offense. I think Sutton will just continue to do what he has been doing, which is giving energy on hustle plays and being one of the most deadly outside shooters in the Federal League.

[BIG ED]

hs sports fan and HoopHound, did you read my post closely? If you did, I said I wasn't predicting anything "spectacular" for the Panthers this season. I think that's pretty self explanatory. I do think their team chemistry will be better. How many wins does that get them over last season. Heck, I don't know. They might even have less. I'll tell you in December after I've seen a few games.
I don't think I predicted a FLC for Perry last season. Most likely a team that at best would be a few games over .500.
If your a fan of your team and not a little bias, then you're not much of a fan.
Most times I'm fairly objective about my teams.
I like to get a rise out of hssf by getting sarcastic with my posts now and then and he always takes the bait...hook, line and sinker.

[HoopHound]

hs sports fan and HoopHound, did you read my post closely? If you did, I said I wasn't predicting anything "spectacular" for the Panthers this season. I think that's pretty self explanatory. I do think their team chemistry will be better. How many wins does that get them over last season. Heck, I don't know. They might even have less. I'll tell you in December after I've seen a few games.
I don't think I predicted a FLC for Perry last season. Most likely a team that at best would be a few games over .500.
If your a fan of your team and not a little bias, then you're not much of a fan.
Most times I'm fairly objective about my teams.
I like to get a rise out of hssf by getting sarcastic with my posts now and then and he always takes the bait...hook, line and sinker.

Nothing wrong with backing your school, Ed. :) :cool:

[DanielLaRusso]

You obviosuly don't know much about GlenOak. Besides Sanders (15.3 ppg), they return starters T.J. Sutton (10.2 ppg and probably the best spot shooter in the county), Jimmy Darnley (7.4 ppg), and Turon Parker (4.8 ppg). The transfer from McKinley, Branden Means, averaged 9.1 ppg for the Bulldogs (3rd on the team). He will probably replace McCollum in the starting lineup. Their bench will be thin though, with Brandon Martin (4.1 ppg) being the only player with varsity experience.

Ummmm. No!

[hs sports fan]

hs sports fan and HoopHound, did you read my post closely? If you did, I said I wasn't predicting anything "spectacular" for the Panthers this season. I think that's pretty self explanatory. I do think their team chemistry will be better. How many wins does that get them over last season. Heck, I don't know. They might even have less. I'll tell you in December after I've seen a few games.
I don't think I predicted a FLC for Perry last season. Most likely a team that at best would be a few games over .500.
If your a fan of your team and not a little bias, then you're not much of a fan.
Most times I'm fairly objective about my teams.
I like to get a rise out of hssf by getting sarcastic with my posts now and then and he always takes the bait...hook, line and sinker.

I was responding mainly to your first comment of nobody giving them a fighting chance on this thread. Nobody from Perry has given any reasons why they think Perry will be better than the rest of us think. Simply naming big guys with no varisty experience (aside from Humphrey) and small guards who played but contributed little last season are not good reasons. I'm not saying they will be a bad team, simply that they will be towards the bottom of this league. The Federal League is very deep. I could see them finishing as high as 5th and as low as 7th.

[hs sports fan]

Ummmm. No!

Who do you feel is better than him? He may not be the best but is certainly among the best.

[666777]

Ummmm. No!

Then name a better spot up shooter in the County.

He can not create his own shot nor can he shot on the move but when it comes to shooting from the the 3 point line he has tremendous range and a quick release and was close to 50% against a league that is guard heavy.

Don't just throw out your bull name someone better

[Shady29]

Last year, I could name two better shooters than him in the FL (not the County, but the FL).
Ryan Pesta of Boardman
and obviously McCollum.
They both graduated...but these two were pure shooters who both set records from behind the arc.

[DanielLaRusso]

You obviosuly don't know much about GlenOak. Besides Sanders (15.3 ppg), they return starters T.J. Sutton (10.2 ppg and probably the best spot shooter in the county), Jimmy Darnley (7.4 ppg), and Turon Parker (4.8 ppg). The transfer from McKinley, Branden Means, averaged 9.1 ppg for the Bulldogs (3rd on the team). He will probably replace McCollum in the starting lineup. Their bench will be thin though, with Brandon Martin (4.1 ppg) being the only player with varsity experience.


Best shooter in Stark County only averaging 10.2 a game, with all the double teams on McCollum last year, one would think the best shooter in the county could get more than 10 a game, and in the games that mattered, do more than just rattle the backboards with his bricks.

I would take Wackerly from Hoover over Sutton any day, I think Groot from Lake has better touch; Dupont from Jackson has a decent shot. He may be in the discussion, but to anoint him the "best" is a nocturnal emission.

[DanielLaRusso]

Then name a better spot up shooter in the County.

He can not create his own shot nor can he shot on the move but when it comes to shooting from the the 3 point line he has tremendous range and a quick release and was close to 50% against a league that is guard heavy.

Don't just throw out your bull name someone better

Sounds pretty one demensional to me, I guess that explains why he only got 10 a game. There is probably 10 kids I do not know that can stand alone in a gym with nobody guarding them and hit 50% from 3 point range.

That manager with autism, Jason Mcelwin shot over 70% from 3 point range in one game. Making 6 of 8 3 pointers. Name a better shooter than him?

[HasBeenn11]

Sounds pretty one demensional to me, I guess that explains why he only got 10 a game. There is probably 10 kids I do not know that can stand alone in a gym with nobody guarding them and hit 50% from 3 point range.

That manager with autism, Jason Mcelwin shot over 70% from 3 point range in one game. Making 6 of 8 3 pointers. Name a better shooter than him?

Hickory's own Jimbo Chitwood wasnt bad. Not 70%, but still pretty darn good.

[hs sports fan]

Best shooter in Stark County only averaging 10.2 a game, with all the double teams on McCollum last year, one would think the best shooter in the county could get more than 10 a game, and in the games that mattered, do more than just rattle the backboards with his bricks.

I would take Wackerly from Hoover over Sutton any day, I think Groot from Lake has better touch; Dupont from Jackson has a decent shot. He may be in the discussion, but to anoint him the "best" is a nocturnal emission.

That's a pretty good scoring average when 2 of your teammates are combining for 45 ppg. I'll take Sutton as a shooter over Wackerly and Dupont. I haven't seen Groot play, so I can't comment on him.

Here are last season's final statistics from the Repository:
http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/x1331533735/High-school-boys-basketball-statistics

T.J. Sutton: 63/139 45.3%
Jim Wackerly 22/71 31%

Dupont and Groot are not listed.

[DanielLaRusso]

That's a pretty good scoring average when 2 of your teammates are combining for 45 ppg. I'll take Sutton as a shooter over Wackerly and Dupont. I haven't seen Groot play, so I can't comment on him.

Here are last season's final statistics from the Repository:
http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/x1331533735/High-school-boys-basketball-statistics

T.J. Sutton: 63/139 45.3%
Jim Wackerly 22/71 31%

Dupont and Groot are not listed.

Like I said stats do not mean much to me, If GO had the best player, in McCollum, and the best shooter, in Sutton, why did they not win the league? Where were they in the District Final? Stats can be blown out of proportion. What if you go 7-7 from 3 in a 60 point blowout, but 0-7 in a three point loss to Jackson or Hoover. You are shooting 50% from 3 point range but it does not make you clutch or an asset to your team when they need you. I forget who said it but they said "stats are for losers".

[morecowbell]

If Nyles Evans continues to grow and get better, how can anybody but Hoover be the favorite? They only lost one starter, didn't they?

maybe so but you cannot say that Hoover is hands down flat out gonna beat Jackson.

[HasBeenn11]

That's a pretty good scoring average when 2 of your teammates are combining for 45 ppg. I'll take Sutton as a shooter over Wackerly and Dupont. I haven't seen Groot play, so I can't comment on him.

Here are last season's final statistics from the Repository:
http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/x1331533735/High-school-boys-basketball-statistics

T.J. Sutton: 63/139 45.3%
Jim Wackerly 22/71 31%

Dupont and Groot are not listed.

Dupont and Wackerly both played for a FLC while Sutton watched. I will take them both anyday over Sutton.

[Mackinbiner]

Sutton's shortcoming was exposed in the Jackson game. Jackson played a triangle and 2 defense with McCollum and Sutton being the two guarded very closely all game. Having a player in his face the whole game, the Bears were able to "hold" McCollum to 36 points. (He was amazing that night) But Sutton didn't score any points all night and was only able to get off one feeble running jumper that didn't even draw iron.

[champion]

I think the original point is that he is a great spot up shooter. I think a blind man can see that he has difficulty getting shots off against a tough defense.

[hs sports fan]

Dupont and Wackerly both played for a FLC while Sutton watched. I will take them both anyday over Sutton.

Dupont and Wackerly both had good post players on their teams. I'm not saying Sutton is better overall, simply that I feel he is a better spot shooter. I'm not quite sure what you are saying by this comment. Perhaps you could clarify.

As LaRusso said, stats don't always mean anything. However, Sutton's shooting % was MUCH better than Wackerly's and probably higher than Groot and Dupont since they were not even listed. Does this automatically make him better? No. You have to factor in the shot selection that each player took as well. As I said, Sutton got a lot of open looks that were created by Sanders and McCollum.

[Caleb]

With all the players going to GlenOak from Canton, GlenOak could have a B team.:stirthepot:

[vikinghead]

Hickory's own Jimbo Chitwood wasnt bad. Not 70%, but still pretty darn good.

This really isn't pertinent to the discussion because there was no three point line in Indiana High School basketball when Jimmy played for Hickory for the final 2/3's of the 1954 season. I do know that Norman Dale did lobby for a three point line prior to that season but was shot down by IHSAA.

Norman had some experience with the three point shot in Ithica, prior to joining the merchant marines. Any way, based upon the highlight's, had Jimmy had a three point line, I believe he would have shot about 87% from behind he arc. That's for the season because he shot 93% in the State championship game.

Dupont would beat Sutton H-O to H-O-R-S-E any day on any court.

[ohiosportsnut01]

why would someone mention groot. they obviously have no clue what they are talking about. he is a big guy with a atrosious shot that can do nothing but dunk.

[ohiosportsnut01]

As for the talk on perry no one should expect them to be good based off of last year, but they certainly do seem to have the size depth and talent, but the fed is extremely talented so it will all come down to if they can come together and if their coach(who everyone seems to agree is not good) can do a decent job of using his players. I think they will beat fitch lake boardman glen oak will be interesting because they're small and don't play much D but jackson hoover and mckinley will all be extremely tough temas next year.

[hs sports fan]

The Lake Shootout is a week away. Does anybody know which Fed teams will be there besides Lake? GlenOak, Jackson, and Perry usually are.

[bluesteel4]

Jackson is not going to the Lake shoot out.

[JBananas23]

My early favorites for the fed are hoover and jackson simply because of the players they have returning. I am curious to see how good GO is without McCullom pouring in 29 a game. I am also curious to see who boardman has running the point next year. Mathey has to be the front runner as of now, but i think a lack of experience from seeing limited time last year playing behind Karzmer (who i thought was underrated last year) will hurt. I think the league will end up:

1. Jackson
2. Hoover
3. Boardman
4. Glen Oak
5. McKinley
6. Lake
7. Perry
8. Fitch

[GOGE]

My early favorites for the fed are hoover and jackson simply because of the players they have returning. I am curious to see how good GO is without McCullom pouring in 29 a game. I am also curious to see who boardman has running the point next year. Mathey has to be the front runner as of now, but i think a lack of experience from seeing limited time last year playing behind Karzmer (who i thought was underrated last year) will hurt. I think the league will end up:

1. Jackson
2. Hoover
3. Boardman
4. Glen Oak
5. McKinley
6. Lake
7. Perry
8. Fitch
My prediction is pretty close to yours.

1. Jackson
2. Hoover
3. GlenOak
4. McKinley
5. Boardman
6. Lake
7. Perry
8. Fitch

[MackDawg]

Nice to see some still have a little respect for McKinley after all they've been through the past couple of years with so many kids leaving the program for whatever reasons.

One season soon, McKinley will right the reasons and be back among the favorites, kids will find it's not so bright on the other side.
Read on another site the transfers are being looked at very closely, why so many and why so sudden?

[JBananas23]

GOGE, i like your list but i think that GO will have some problems with the spartans bigs. JT Moore is a monster down low and the two Hammond brothers are extremely athletic thats why i have them in front of GO. I know GO has Storm but i dont think he will be as dominant as CJ was last year. This season is going to be interesting and exciting one.

[starktops]

hoover
jackson
glenoak
boardman
mckinley
lake
perry
fitch
three through six could flip around completely. i am not buying boardman as a sure thing. missing free throws at clutch time does not sell me on moore as the great player you speak of. he has had many years of experience and is still the same player he has always been. make a free throw and the story changes. i think there may be chemistry problems at glenoak (the rumors are flying at the barber shop). you can not tell me that all these transfers are going to be good for any one mck, tim, or glen. if my kid played at go last year i would be upset with these turns of events. after five years you would think you have a program in place not just acting like your a junior college and pulling people in every year. mckinley is the same all the time. you can not sell them out until you see what they have. the lake game last year proved the situation at mck is not that stable, but man they are always a very athletic team and could go either way, again. lake has many question marks this year like starting five. there are three solid players but no consistency other than groot and he needs to improve. teams adjusted to him last year and his game fell off. plus they have to many unproven young guys. i know its not much but that is my two cents.

[Shady29]

starktops
Moore did miss some free throws in that Jackson game, but it shouldn't have come down to that last play, as he wasn't the only that missed free throws. Jackson tosses up a prayer to tie the game. Anyways, I agree with 3-6 can change easily, while Jackson and Hoover are the 1-2. I just hope JT even plays. I know he loves basketball, and I think he will...but with OSU right around the corner, he might be persuaded not to play, which would be bad news for the Spartans. Expecting a big year from Storm Sanders next year. I think he's going to have to, if GO wants a chance at being a top team in the FL. He's going to be depended on for more than just penetrating to open others shots...he's going to have to take the scoring load on his shoulders.

[WhatsupDoc]

I would have to think North Canton and Jackson woud be the favorite, Hoover returns 4 or there 5 starters and most of the bench. Jackson has the best post player in the league. Ball handlers will be a question for them.

[HasBeenn11]

I would have to think North Canton and Jackson woud be the favorite, Hoover returns 4 or there 5 starters and most of the bench. Jackson has the best post player in the league. Ball handlers will be a question for them.

Actually Jackson has the 2 best post players in the league.

[vikinghead]

Almost exactly like last year, Jackson is the team to beat, at least on paper. Much like last year, given all the returning players, Hoover and jackson should play each other three times again, each time for a different "prize" If you are a Hoover fan, you are comforted by the fact that Monty can coach. If you are a jackson fan, you hope that Fuline has learned something about coaching since last year and is able to make adjustments to put the Bears in a position to win games 2 and 3.

I am sure that Hoover will work extremely hard to win games next year in the FL, and they may even stumble along the way. Jackson may make it all the way through without a blemish. Come tournament time, Jackson will be vulnerable. Hoover, on the other hand, will continue to get better as the season progresses, and be playing at their best come tournament time.

[DanielLaRusso]

why would someone mention groot. they obviously have no clue what they are talking about. he is a big guy with a atrosious shot that can do nothing but dunk.

It was a joke, like saying anyone is better. Jokes are always better when they have to be explained. Let me know if you need help deciphering any other brain busters. Take this guys membership away Yappi.

[DanielLaRusso]

Almost exactly like last year, Jackson is the team to beat, at least on paper. Much like last year, given all the returning players, Hoover and jackson should play each other three times again, each time for a different "prize" If you are a Hoover fan, you are comforted by the fact that Monty can coach. If you are a jackson fan, you hope that Fuline has learned something about coaching since last year and is able to make adjustments to put the Bears in a position to win games 2 and 3.

I am sure that Hoover will work extremely hard to win games next year in the FL, and they may even stumble along the way. Jackson may make it all the way through without a blemish. Come tournament time, Jackson will be vulnerable. Hoover, on the other hand, will continue to get better as the season progresses, and be playing at their best come tournament time.

Vike I moonlight as a retail salesman at Boarders Bookstore, I can tell you Fuline has learned something. I just sold him a "how to" book that will help him next year, "Coaching for Dummies". A side note Matt Krammer bought a "how to" book also, "Greecian Formula for Dummies".

[HoopsRGreat]

Vike I moonlight as a retail salesman at Boarders Bookstore, I can tell you Fuline has learned something. I just sold him a "how to" book that will help him next year, "Coaching for Dummies". A side note Matt Krammer bought a "how to" book also, "Greecian Formula for Dummies".

Jackson's guards have another year of experience under their belts, and the bigs are only getting better. I find it hard to believe even a "dummie" as you put it DLR, could stop them from dominating the Fed and the District.

[DanielLaRusso]

Jackson's guards have another year of experience under their belts, and the bigs are only getting better. I find it hard to believe even a "dummie" as you put it DLR, could stop them from dominating the Fed and the District.

They also have the Asst. Coach of the Year, so throw that anchor on that life raft. Dummy will be the kindest word Fuline will hear, if Jax does not win the District.

[vikinghead]

They also have the Asst. Coach of the Year, so throw that anchor on that life raft. Dummy will be the kindest word Fuline will hear, if Jax does not win the District.

I was attempting to post a very insightful, thoughtful statement on topic and you have to go and screw it up with sarcasm and humor. Therefore, let me set you straight on a couple things.

First, its Vitalis or Brylcream. Grecien formula only colors the hair and Kramer quite obviously uses the grease.

Second, that assistant coach of the year is a necessary element of the Jax staff in order to keep track of the minutes that the guards each get. I think he uses a stop watch. Incidentally, I think he actually got the award because he has to baby sit the other six adults on the bence to make sure one of them doesn't inadvertently stand up to stretch during a game and get a "T".

Now that thats out of the way, can you try to keep this serious? Thanks

[hs sports fan]

Jackson's guards have another year of experience under their belts, and the bigs are only getting better. I find it hard to believe even a "dummie" as you put it DLR, could stop them from dominating the Fed and the District.

Don't forget, Jackson lost Eric Pace and Danny Tamburro. Both were solid role players, and I really liked the energy that Tamburro gave them.

[hs sports fan]

GOGE, i like your list but i think that GO will have some problems with the spartans bigs. JT Moore is a monster down low and the two Hammond brothers are extremely athletic thats why i have them in front of GO. I know GO has Storm but i dont think he will be as dominant as CJ was last year. This season is going to be interesting and exciting one.

Are you sure that Moore will be playing basketball? Coach Tressel may try to convince him not to.

[hs sports fan]

i think there may be chemistry problems at glenoak (the rumors are flying at the barber shop). you can not tell me that all these transfers are going to be good for any one mck, tim, or glen. if my kid played at go last year i would be upset with these turns of events. after five years you would think you have a program in place not just acting like your a junior college and pulling people in every year.

First of all, Branden Means is a Plain Local kid. He attended one of the Plain Local middle schools and his older brother played on Greynolds' first team at GlenOak. Second, all what transfers? GlenOak has had 6 transfers since Greynolds arrived (that's 1 per year). Two of these were Plain Local kids transferring back.

Mark Moore- Plain Local kid that transferred to Heritage Christian for 2 years and then back to GlenOak.

Storm Sanders- Canton City kid that moved to Plain Local prior to 9th grade

Mike Lancia- an unknown from Marlington

Gentri Lilley- an unknown from Alliance

Branden Means- see above

Brionte Dunn- transfered from Alliance for football purposes

[HasBeenn11]

Don't forget, Jackson lost Eric Pace and Danny Tamburro. Both were solid role players, and I really liked the energy that Tamburro gave them.

Not sure how many Jackson games you watched last year but Pace was anything but solid.

[hs sports fan]

Not sure how many Jackson games you watched last year but Pace was anything but solid.

Only 1 last year, but he was the 2 years before that.

[HasBeenn11]

Only 1 last year, but he was the 2 years before that.

You are obviously easily impressed, which is fine. To each his own.

[hs sports fan]

You are obviously easily impressed, which is fine. To each his own.

Coach Fuline must be as well since Pace was a 3-year starter.

[vikinghead]

Coach Fuline must be as well since Pace was a 3-year starter.

Which brings this topic right back to where it started. Are you impressed with Fuline as a coach? Yea he Started Eric Pace for three years. Eric is a nice kid and solid role player for that team last year. Should not have started. In fact, his junior year he started, played a minute or two in most games and then came out and never went back in. You really made the point that Larusso was making about learning to coach. Thanks

[ohiosportsnut01]

Best shooter in Stark County only averaging 10.2 a game, with all the double teams on McCollum last year, one would think the best shooter in the county could get more than 10 a game, and in the games that mattered, do more than just rattle the backboards with his bricks.

I would take Wackerly from Hoover over Sutton any day, I think Groot from Lake has better touch; Dupont from Jackson has a decent shot. He may be in the discussion, but to anoint him the "best" is a nocturnal emission.


that doesn't sound like a joke.

[starktops]

look i am just relaying what i heard at the corner drugstore. how can a glenoak kid go to a canton school then go back to glenoak his dad played there now he lives with mom. then the other guy moved to glenoak before he turned twelve so he can play at glenoak even though he lives out of district, but don't tell because its thursday..... goodness... i have no idea what you are talking about...i am talking about the up coming year. i said rumor mill. if that violates yappi laws i will retract my statement. we will just wait and see who is playing where when the school year starts. there are transfers all over the fed so don't start trying to sell me on the legitimacy of one coach who doesn't like to raise his own players. the federal league is taking a page out of the akron city league... you know where the players rule the league and not the coaches. the coach tells a kid how can you play for that guys. he said what to you...come play for me and you will never sit. you should be starting so come here and you will start all four years. give me a break. you can gloss it over however you like. ask the guys at fitch how many kids at warren were fitch kids. look at hoovers line up this last year the year before. mckinley kids at timken. glenoak kids at timken. timken kids at glenoak. masillon kids .... oh man, don't get me started on that. let's just wait and see.

[hs sports fan]

Which brings this topic right back to where it started. Are you impressed with Fuline as a coach? Yea he Started Eric Pace for three years. Eric is a nice kid and solid role player for that team last year. Should not have started. In fact, his junior year he started, played a minute or two in most games and then came out and never went back in. You really made the point that Larusso was making about learning to coach. Thanks

That's the statement I originally made.

[GOGE]

GOGE, i like your list but i think that GO will have some problems with the spartans bigs. JT Moore is a monster down low and the two Hammond brothers are extremely athletic thats why i have them in front of GO. I know GO has Storm but i dont think he will be as dominant as CJ was last year. This season is going to be interesting and exciting one.
I agree that teams with taller players with give GlenOak fits this next season, but GlenOak really hasn't had much height since Kosta Koufos graduated in 2007, and they still have finished in the top half of the league each season since. Of course losing McCollum is a significant loss, but one thing GlenOak does better than most others in the league is get out and run, and while the team may not have much height, it's speed, combined with the play-making ability of Sanders and outside shooting of Sutton, is why I think G.O. will end up third in the league. Of course, barring injuries/transfers, this is all subject to change, especially since football season hasn't even started yet, let alone basketball season.

[hs sports fan]

Lake Shootout schedule for Saturday:

http://www.bluestreakbasketball.com/FILES/2009_LakeShootoutSchedule.pdf

[HasBeenn11]

That's the statement I originally made.

You have made your point. You think players with a 1:2.5 assist/turnover ratio are solid. We have different opinions on what a solid player is. Back to the Federal League, I am done talking about Eric Pace.

[DanielLaRusso]

Coach Fuline must be as well since Pace was a 3-year starter.

Fuline was also impressed with Spectators, and we see how well that worked out for him.

[DanielLaRusso]

that doesn't sound like a joke.

Some jokes are not meant for all to get, here's one you might understand

Knock...knock

(you say, who's there)(go ahead and say it now)

yomama

(you say yomama who)(do that now)

yomama should never have let an idiot into this world.

Now thats a Kenny Drebsen joke. BURN

[DanielLaRusso]

First of all, Branden Means is a Plain Local kid. He attended one of the Plain Local middle schools and his older brother played on Greynolds' first team at GlenOak. Second, all what transfers? GlenOak has had 6 transfers since Greynolds arrived (that's 1 per year). Two of these were Plain Local kids transferring back.

Mark Moore- Plain Local kid that transferred to Heritage Christian for 2 years and then back to GlenOak.

Storm Sanders- Canton City kid that moved to Plain Local prior to 9th grade

Mike Lancia- an unknown from Marlington

Gentri Lilley- an unknown from Alliance

Branden Means- see above

Brionte Dunn- transfered from Alliance for football purposes

Do you mean that they hail from parts unknown? Much like George "The Animal" Steele.

[ohiobballstar]

Fuline was also impressed with Spectators, and we see how well that worked out for him.

HAHAHA. Now that is great insight.

[krd12]

Lake Shootout schedule for Saturday:

http://www.bluestreakbasketball.com/FILES/2009_LakeShootoutSchedule.pdf

How much are tickets and what does the F.H. stand for in the third and fourth columns?

[champion]

FieldHouse??? They have a Y connected to their school and I think they call it a Fieldhouse. It has 3 courts in it.

[Shady29]

FieldHouse??? They have a Y connected to their school and I think they call it a Fieldhouse. It has 3 courts in it.

Which is a very nice Center that they have out there in Uniontown.

[TheGreatRagu]

************************************************** ************

" Lake

*33 Connor Groot 6'5 Sr
*35 Derek Sitzlar 6'1 Sr
*41 Trey Vaughn 6'1 Sr
15 Ryan Christiansen 6'3 Sr

Graduated starters... Habeck 6'1, Meffan 5'10
************************************************** *************


Lake loses two starters, but Coach McBride will likely have serious depth problems this coming season. Interestingly, he kept EIGHT seniors on last year's squad. It might have been nice last year... but it sucks when literally half your varsity roster departs. I've NEVER understood why ANY coach ever keeps more than 5 or so seniors. Any more than that, and it hurts the program in the long run.


#7 Lake... with three starters back, it was tough placing the Streaks this far down. I just think inexperience on the bench and lack-of-depth is gonna bite 'em this year."





I havn't been on in awhile and I was reading your statements Hoophound and I think you are way off base with Lake. They are going to be as deep if not deeper than any Lake team ever. Their upcoming Junior class has a ton of talent and experience winning. As freshmen they won the league, as soph. they won the league, and as Juniors along with some very talented seniors they will compete for top 5 consideration.

I see the league ending like this.

1. Hoover - basically lost no one and have that extra something
2. Jackson - will compete with Hoover, should be some great games between these 2.
3. At this point I see 4 teams clumped together. All of them can compete for the title, but they can also lose if they aren't on their game.
3a. Mckinley - Athletic, but no shooters
3b. Boardman - Good bigs, not much else
3c. Lake - Good all around talent, Juniors have won at the other levels, but are they ready for the big leagues.
3d. GlenOak - Losing McCullum will really hurt. Storm is overated and sutton can do nothing but hit the wide open 3.
7. Perry - timeout with 3 seconds left before the half to set up a half court shot...enough said
8. Fitch - still going to struggle, hard to rebuild with nothing

[starktops]

i think you can christopher out at lake. he has not played with them yet this summer and he was a junior jv player last year. they may be a little better than people think. does anyone know if glenoak was missing any players at the lake shootout. what has jackson and hoover done so far. are they not interested in the lake shootout or does lake only let in certain federal schools? i thought boardman was ther last year.

[ohiosportsnut01]

Lake has a huge problem though and that is their point gaurd situation. they have no one that can handle the ball.

[TheGreatRagu]

From what I heard, Lake was actually missing several players, where as GlenOak had pretty much everyone. I also heard that Timken was missing a few as well.

[sta2ths]

From what I heard, Lake was actually missing several players, where as GlenOak had pretty much everyone. I also heard that Timken was missing a few as well.

Of the players mentioned above, Groot and Stitzler were definately there and I believe so was Vaughn. They also had Newbie Ryan Renfro, a pretty good Sophmeore who is about 6'5"-6'6"

GO had Sanders, Darnley and Sutton but they also had four or five guys that are playing for the first time. Timken was bare and Perry had a solid squad.

[hs sports fan]

Of the players mentioned above, Groot and Stitzler were definately there and I believe so was Vaughn. They also had Newbie Ryan Renfro, a pretty good Sophmeore who is about 6'5"-6'6"

GO had Sanders, Darnley and Sutton but they also had four or five guys that are playing for the first time. Timken was bare and Perry had a solid squad.

I was told Lake was missing their point guard but that was it. GlenOak did not have Brandon Martin, and Sutton left for their middle 3 games to play a baseball doubleheader.

Perry was without Derek Burkholder, Steven Rowe, and James Toth.

[TIGER27]

Dupont and Wackerly both played for a FLC while Sutton watched. I will take them both anyday over Sutton.

I saw Glenoak play four times last year. Sutton`s numbers will fall next year. He`s slow can`t create his own shot and can`t play defense. He benefited getting a bunch of open shots because of the talent around him but their star graduated. Dupont is three times the player Sutton is.

[666777]

I saw Glenoak play four times last year. Sutton`s numbers will fall next year. He`s slow can`t create his own shot and can`t play defense. He benefited getting a bunch of open shots because of the talent around him but their star graduated. Dupont is three times the player Sutton is.

We are not talking about the other parts of the game the discussion was about Sutton being the best shooter in Stark County. Believe that he led the Stark County area in 3 point percentage, has great range far better than any one else. As long as GlenOak plays the style they play he will continue to be successful because all the ask him to do is be a spot up shooter.

His future is not in basketball anyway as he is a tremendous baseball player and will have great success in college in that sport.

[Throwbackfromwayback]

Jackson should be the favorite, but the parity in the league will be great this year. McBride at Lake may have a shot at the the whole enchilada this year.

[Bailey22]

the coaching and parents of Jackson will keep this team from living up to it's potential .... anything other than a league title and trip to the regionals will be a huge disappointment .........

[StreakBaller]

Jackson should be the favorite, but the parity in the league will be great this year. McBride at Lake may have a shot at the the whole enchilada this year.

Wow! While I might agree that Lake should be pretty good this year. I just don't see them winning the league. But I can see Lake possibly finishing near the top (3rd/4th) with them upsetting a team or two along the way.

Jackson "should" win the league since they return 2 6'7/6'8 D1 recruits, DuPont and Shull both had a good AAU season from what I've heard and Jackson had an 18-2 JV team that also had some nice size players and talent. The loss to Hoover last year could either help bring together/toughen Jackson and help them get over the hump or it will be a mental hurdle that keeps them from living up to their potential. Talent wise they should win the league hands down. Do they have the mental toughness and coaching to put it all together?

Hoover will not give up the crown easily, even though I think the loss of Sommers will be bigger than most people think. His scoring and clutch three's against Lake, are pretty much the only thing that kept Lake from beating Hoover twice last year. Think about how Jackon's season would have been different if Lake pulls out the 2OT Federal League Tournament game against Hoover last year.

Glen Oak, if shooting the ball well from outside can be a major handful. Losing McCollum really changes the dynamic of that team. Alot of people are going to have to step up for them to replace 30ppg and how he spread the floor and made things easier for everybody.

Word is McKinley is looking impressive this summer as well. I know there has been alot of "talk" about kids leaving. Does anyone have the lowdown on who will be playing with the team and the latest on the roster situation. Who's been starting/playing major minutes in the summer leagues and shootouts? Any standout players?

Perry seems to have alot of size and scrappy physical guards, at times at the Lake shootout I was very impressed with them. Then at other times they lost it mentally and completely fall apart. I wouldn't be surprised to see them anywhere from 4th-7th in the league.

As usual, haven't heard anything on how Boardman/Fitch have looked this summer.

Boardman's season is going to depend alot on who actually plays for them this year. If Hammond and/or Moore commit to football then the expectations will change drastically. But if everyone returns and they can find a 3-point/scoring threat replacements for Pesta/Martin (no easy task) then they could make some noise near the top.

With Fitch having a new coach, you never know what kind of affect that will have on a program. It could make a big difference, with some athletes who previously didn't play to come out, which could turn the program in the right direction and they could surprise some people. If anyone has seen Fitch this summer, I would like to hear how things are going over there.

[ohiosportsnut01]

Wow! While I might agree that Lake should be pretty good this year. I just don't see them winning the league. But I can see Lake possibly finishing near the top (3rd/4th) with them upsetting a team or two along the way.

Jackson "should" win the league since they return 2 6'7/6'8 D1 recruits, DuPont and Shull both had a good AAU season from what I've heard and Jackson had an 18-2 JV team that also had some nice size players and talent. The loss to Hoover last year could either help bring together/toughen Jackson and help them get over the hump or it will be a mental hurdle that keeps them from living up to their potential. Talent wise they should win the league hands down. Do they have the mental toughness and coaching to put it all together?

Hoover will not give up the crown easily, even though I think the loss of Sommers will be bigger than most people think. His scoring and clutch three's against Lake, are pretty much the only thing that kept Lake from beating Hoover twice last year. Think about how Jackon's season would have been different if Lake pulls out the 2OT Federal League Tournament game against Hoover last year.

Glen Oak, if shooting the ball well from outside can be a major handful. Losing McCollum really changes the dynamic of that team. Alot of people are going to have to step up for them to replace 30ppg and how he spread the floor and made things easier for everybody.

Word is McKinley is looking impressive this summer as well. I know there has been alot of "talk" about kids leaving. Does anyone have the lowdown on who will be playing with the team and the latest on the roster situation. Who's been starting/playing major minutes in the summer leagues and shootouts? Any standout players?

Perry seems to have alot of size and scrappy physical guards, at times at the Lake shootout I was very impressed with them. Then at other times they lost it mentally and completely fall apart. I wouldn't be surprised to see them anywhere from 4th-7th in the league.

As usual, haven't heard anything on how Boardman/Fitch have looked this summer.

Boardman's season is going to depend alot on who actually plays for them this year. If Hammond and/or Moore commit to football then the expectations will change drastically. But if everyone returns and they can find a 3-point/scoring threat replacements for Pesta/Martin (no easy task) then they could make some noise near the top.

With Fitch having a new coach, you never know what kind of affect that will have on a program. It could make a big difference, with some athletes who previously didn't play to come out, which could turn the program in the right direction and they could surprise some people. If anyone has seen Fitch this summer, I would like to hear how things are going over there.

I completely agree one with you

[Kevin Casey]

Very nice breakdown StreakBaller. I especially agree that Sommers will be missed more than some people know. He was one of those kids that just made the plays when they had to have them.

[BigBulldog]

The McKinley roster posted here will change, Brandon Means has transferred to GlenOak, word is Tommie Harris is out, Jamal McClain is said to not want to play next season to concentrate of football? And if all the info I've been getting? David Morgan is also out.
looks as though the Bulldogs will have to rely on underclassmen once again. Supposedly the Bulldogs have some good Freshmen coming up? That is until they get talked into transferring which seems the course of things lately, hopefully the exodus of kids is over?

The Means kid started in the Plain Local system so he really wasn't expected to stay.

The pups also lost another super soph from last year.I believe his name is Thompson.

[BigBulldog]

First of all, Branden Means is a Plain Local kid. He attended one of the Plain Local middle schools and his older brother played on Greynolds' first team at GlenOak. Second, all what transfers? GlenOak has had 6 transfers since Greynolds arrived (that's 1 per year). Two of these were Plain Local kids transferring back.

Mark Moore- Plain Local kid that transferred to Heritage Christian for 2 years and then back to GlenOak.

Storm Sanders- Canton City kid that moved to Plain Local prior to 9th grade

Mike Lancia- an unknown from Marlington

Gentri Lilley- an unknown from Alliance

Branden Means- see above

Brionte Dunn- transfered from Alliance for football purposes

Anybody that knows anything about Brandon Means and McKinley basketball know he should have started last year at McKinley.

He will be all-state at GlenOak by his senior season.Will average 15+ points this coming season as a junior.GlenOak got a BIG TIME player in Brandon Means!

[just a fan]

Anybody that knows anything about Brandon Means and McKinley basketball know he should have started last year at McKinley...

He did start last year. :confused:

[MackDawg]

The pups also lost another super soph from last year.I believe his name is Thompson.


I think he was kicked off the team?

[I Am Jackson]

I will be shocked if Jackson doesn't win this league next year.

And I know two other people who will be even more shocked.

You guessed it, Bubba Zahler and Frank Stallone.




Boom Outta Here.

[just a fan]

I think he was kicked off the team?

He was either kicked off or quit. Either way, I wouldn't clasify him as a "super soph." Kids that good get a lot of playing time....Thompson didn't. :shrug:

[Peachbasket]

got to see some play this summer but not all. But my educated (lol) guess is:

NC and Jackson fight it out for first.
McK 2nd and may push the top 2 guys
Surprise of the league Lake will finish behind the top three but will beat one of them sometime during the year.
I don't know where to put Boardman, but GO will be behind the big guys, and Perry will be behind them. GO is still running a spread with nothing but dribble drive. Coach forgot he lost CJ! Storm is no where close to what CJ was. Suttons attempts from behind the arc will be down this year. Perry is tough and will run their stuff but does not look to have any real great players who can carry them. Could be a long year. My guess is Fitch will bring up the rear.

[MackDawg]

He was either kicked off or quit. Either way, I wouldn't clasify him as a "super soph." Kids that good get a lot of playing time....Thompson didn't. :shrug:

Maybe the kids are beginning to see the big picture, if you act out negatively, move on to a team who will put up with negatives.

[I Am Jackson]

and we all know what school that is MackDawg :blush: :rolleyes: :cool:

[just a fan]

Maybe the kids are beginning to see the big picture, if you act out negatively, move on to a team who will put up with negatives.

To complete the picture......it is very rare for a program that lacks discipline to win a D1 state championship. These kids can go somewhere that lets them rule the roost, but it's highly unlikely that they are going to win a state championship in that environment.

And, more importantly, the kids aren't going to get a scholarship to play D1 ball at a program that matches their talent. The college programs are starting to take a hit for their lack of academic success. As that continues, they are going to place a greater emphasis on recruiting kids that have their grades in order. You can only lose so many scholarships before you change your recruiting habits.

[I Am Jackson]

Does anyone believe that any Federal League team this year has a chance to go to states?

I know the feeling in Jackson is that this squad has a good shot. The rumored slogan for the 2010 Bears is "Return to Power" with a picture of Bosley, Ali Kart, and The "Slamman" Jesse Moore with the current team in the background.


Does anyone feel Hoover, Jackson or Mck have a shot?


Please try not to be a jabberwocky when giving your response.



Boom Outta Here.

[hs sports fan]

It depends on what districts make up the region. Copley will be one of them. As of now, Barberton, Revere, and Akron East (assuming the latter 2 are placed at Copley) look to be the favorites. None of them have the size to match up with Jackson.

[HasBeenn11]

Does anyone believe that any Federal League team this year has a chance to go to states?

I know the feeling in Jackson is that this squad has a good shot. The rumored slogan for the 2010 Bears is "Return to Power" with a picture of Bosley, Ali Kart, and The "Slamman" Jesse Moore with the current team in the background.


Does anyone feel Hoover, Jackson or Mck have a shot?


Please try not to be a jabberwocky when giving your response.



Boom Outta Here.


It is going to be tough for Jackson, being that they havent even made it to a District Title game in quite some time. Would have been huge to get that "regional experience" last year, in preparation to make a deep run this upcoming season. I am not saying it cant be done, I just see it as a long shot.

[vikinghead]

GO is still running a spread with nothing but dribble drive. Coach forgot he lost CJ! Storm is no where close to what CJ was. Suttons attempts from behind the arc will be down this year. .

I had a chance to see GO play at the Lake shootout. I am not now, nor ever have I been a Storm fan. GO had three or four guys who had not played on that team before and that team really rolled. Storm impressed me with his ability to find the open man with some spectacular passes and he also hit some absolute bombs. That team rolled and is difficult to overlook. I don't like the style and I dislike the lack of defense and fundamentals that are coached, but they will be a contender in the FL.

On another note, where will they send the royalty check if they use Ali's face on a tee shirt?

[hs sports fan]

That team rolled and is difficult to overlook. I don't like the style and I dislike the lack of defense and fundamentals that are coached, but they will be a contender in the FL.


They rolled over teams that they should have (Tuslaw, STA, Marlington, Perry, Timken minus half its team). They lost to Lake in the championship and beat Akron East by just 2 on a layup with a few seconds remaining. Their lack of defense is nothing new. They didn't defend anybody last year either. That being said, they are a dangerous team that is capable of beating anybody in th league on a given night, with the exception of Jackson. They just don't have the size to match up with them and the Polar Bears seem to have their number recently.

[666777]

They rolled over teams that they should have (Tuslaw, STA, Marlington, Perry, Timken minus half its team). They lost to Lake in the championship and beat Akron East by just 2 on a layup with a few seconds remaining. Their lack of defense is nothing new. They didn't defend anybody last year either. That being said, they are a dangerous team that is capable of beating anybody in th league on a given night, with the exception of Jackson. They just don't have the size to match up with them and the Polar Bears seem to have their number recently.

Hoover was able to handle GO pretty easy at the Wheeling shoot-out and both teams were pretty much at full strength. They could not handle Hoover inside kids at all and Niles handled the GO pressure

[hs sports fan]

Hoover was able to handle GO pretty easy at the Wheeling shoot-out and both teams were pretty much at full strength. They could not handle Hoover inside kids at all and Niles handled the GO pressure

You sure about that?

http://www.jjhuddle.com/news/articles/2009/6/16/ohio-dominates-wheeling-shootout-massillon-jackson-wins-championship

In the consolation game, Hoover scored a 62-56 triumph over bitter rival GlenOak.

Evans totaled 24 points, and Fausnight poured in 13 markers with 6-foot-4 senior Cory Velhuizen adding 10 points for Hoover.

[666777]

You sure about that?

http://www.jjhuddle.com/news/articles/2009/6/16/ohio-dominates-wheeling-shootout-massillon-jackson-wins-championship

Yes because Hoover was up more than double digits most of the game until the end when GO made a run. Evans broke the press and got the bucket all day.