May 5 final scores

[WHS00_UD04]

Wayne 6
Centerville 9

Wayne took 5-0 lead, but the Elks chipped away. Turning point of game is when the ump blew a 3rd strike 3rd out check swing which eventually allowed the Elks to score 4 more runs in the inning giving them a lead they would not give up.

[MiddieMagic12]

FF - 10
Mtown - 9

Extra innings

[TboltFan]

Piqua 3
Northmont 10

[ButlerAviator83]

Lebanon - 4
Butler - 1

Hope to see Issacs and Lebanon again on May 18th. :)

[baseballA]

Hope to see isaacs again? Thats funny

[BaseballFan2009]

Wayne 6
Centerville 9

Wayne took 5-0 lead, but the Elks chipped away. Turning point of game is when the ump blew a 3rd strike 3rd out check swing which eventually allowed the Elks to score 4 more runs in the inning giving them a lead they would not give up.

Completely disagree with that statement. First of all there is no way he went and there is also no way the umpire standing behind the pitcher can make that call any better. Plus if you want to play that game then the half inning before the same kind of swing happened for Wayne and went there way as well.

[blackdog27]

CJ - 4
Fenwick - 3

Chris Poelking gets the win for CJ

[WHS00_UD04]

Completely disagree with that statement. First of all there is no way he went and there is also no way the umpire standing behind the pitcher can make that call any better. Plus if you want to play that game then the half inning before the same kind of swing happened for Wayne and went there way as well.

All i know is that i was standing along the 1st base fence, with the bag straight in front of me. I had a straight view of the front edge of the plate. When he tried to check his swing i saw the back of the bat, meaning it went past the plate

[IMHO]

All i know is that i was standing along the 1st base fence, with the bag straight in front of me. I had a straight view of the front edge of the plate. When he tried to check his swing i saw the back of the bat, meaning it went past the plate


Did they score 4 runs on that check swing no call? Maybe instead of blaming umpires who try to get it right on what even major league umpires say is the toughest call to make you should focus on what happened after the call. Kids need to learn that you can't control umpire calls but you can control what happens after. Keep your cool and get the next call to end the inning.

[WHS00_UD04]

I never said that they scored 4 runs because of it, but without the 3rd out being made, it allowed the inning to continue and the go ahead runs to eventually score. Either way the Warriors did give up a 5 run lead and lost the game. Anyway, this is a thread for scores and not to discuss the games. Back to the original point of thread

[WBWFanatic]

West Branch - 13
Carrollton - 0

[BigO_53]

Hope to see isaacs again? Thats funny

Hahaha...I agree he's a bit overrated and noway Lebanon beats Miamisburg. Good chuckle though.

[IMHO]

I never said that they scored 4 runs because of it, but without the 3rd out being made, it allowed the inning to continue and the go ahead runs to eventually score. Either way the Warriors did give up a 5 run lead and lost the game. Anyway, this is a thread for scores and not to discuss the games. Back to the original point of thread

Your right - thi s is for scores. It just cracks me up when I see a check swing no-call as the turning point in a game when 4 runs were scored after that call. If more coaches would just settle down a situation and tell the players to make the next play or concentrate on getting th next hitter out those 4 runs wouldn't score and the "missed" call wouldn't be so big. And we wouldn't have parents like A-1 trolling around baseball fields anymore!!!

[HWCUSA]

Your right - thi s is for scores. It just cracks me up when I see a check swing no-call as the turning point in a game when 4 runs were scored after that call. If more coaches would just settle down a situation and tell the players to make the next play or concentrate on getting th next hitter out those 4 runs wouldn't score and the "missed" call wouldn't be so big. And we wouldn't have parents like A-1 trolling around baseball fields anymore!!!

Amen! I think you mean stalking in A-1's case!! LOL

[viking08]

Completely disagree with that statement. First of all there is no way he went and there is also no way the umpire standing behind the pitcher can make that call any better. Plus if you want to play that game then the half inning before the same kind of swing happened for Wayne and went there way as well.

No way you can blame an umpire for blowing 5 run lead.

[TheBenchwarmer]

Hope to see isaacs again? Thats funny

Don't laugh I heard he actually looked pretty good against Vandalia. That being said Vandalia didn't show Lebanon anything because of the chance that these two teams meet up again in a few weeks. Lebanon is a VERY average team with Issacs and down right awful without him on the mound. Pretty stupid to show Vandalia Issacs in a game that meant nothing. Heard Vandalia got homered on some bad calls.

[FormerWildcat]

Columbus area May 5th scores...

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2009/05/06/HS_baseball-softball06_ART_05-06-09_C6_I0DPATH.html?sid=101

[ButlerAviator83]

Don't laugh I heard he actually looked pretty good against Vandalia. That being said Vandalia didn't show Lebanon anything because of the chance that these two teams meet up again in a few weeks. Lebanon is a VERY average team with Issacs and down right awful without him on the mound. Pretty stupid to show Vandalia Issacs in a game that meant nothing. Heard Vandalia got homered on some bad calls.

There was a questionable call at 1st, but I wouldn't say Butler got "homered". They had chances to win the game, but they were not able to capitalize. Issacs has some great speed and it was good to face a kid of that caliber with the tournament on the horizon. Kids like Issacs are a dime a dozen in Cincy, so he was a good test.

[FI89]

There was a questionable call at 1st, but I wouldn't say Butler got "homered". They had chances to win the game, but they were not able to capitalize. Issacs has some great speed and it was good to face a kid of that caliber with the tournament on the horizon. Kids like Issacs are a dime a dozen in Cincy, so he was a good test.

Definitely no "homer" job in that game. Although, the Ump did have an inconsistent strike zone for BOTH teams, so it evened out.

Now, on to some of the other ridiculous posts in this thread around this game. I was waiting to see what comments Butler fans/players threw out after that game. Why can't you guys just give a guy some credit instead of trying to tear him down? Jealousy perhaps? Why not aspire to excellence instead of wasting energy being negative and jealous?

The University of Michigan, Purdue University, Miami, and Toledo were ALL there to see this "overrated" pitcher. Isaacs schooled Butler in a complete game 2 hitter (both by the leadoff hitter), allowing only 1 run, while striking out 10, and hitting 93 on the gun (75 on curve, and 80 on CU). But I suppose someone on this board will argue with yet ANOTHER jugs result. :rolleyes:

Seriously, all this crap about Dusty Isaacs being overrated, or a "dime a dozen" is absolutely STUPID. 90 MPH pitchers are hardly a "dime a dozen". I don't care where you go. That is a rare and exceptional physical ability/talent. I hope he gets drafted next year, but opts for a bigtime D1 school and shuts up all the naysayers on this board. :thumb:

As far as the next game with Butler... I have no idea if LHS will be fortunate enough to get past Miamisburg next week, but LHS is focused on the NEXT game which is tomorrow night. I suggest Butler do the same.

Side note: Butler's Shortstop is a stud. Very smooth.

[ButlerAviator83]

Definitely no "homer" job in that game. Although, the Ump did have an inconsistent strike zone for BOTH teams, so it evened out.

Now, on to some of the other ridiculous posts in this thread around this game. I was waiting to see what comments Butler fans/players threw out after that game. Why can't you guys just give a guy some credit instead of trying to tear him down? Jealousy perhaps? Why not aspire to excellence instead of wasting energy being negative and jealous?

The University of Michigan, Purdue University, Miami, and Toledo were ALL there to see this "overrated" pitcher. Isaacs schooled Butler in a complete game 2 hitter (both by the leadoff hitter), allowing only 1 run, while striking out 10, and hitting 93 on the gun (75 on curve, and 80 on CU). But I suppose someone on this board will argue with yet ANOTHER jugs result. :rolleyes:

Seriously, all this crap about Dusty Isaacs being overrated, or a "dime a dozen" is absolutely STUPID. 90 MPH pitchers are hardly a "dime a dozen". I don't care where you go. That is a rare and exceptional physical ability/talent. I hope he gets drafted next year, but opts for a bigtime D1 school and shuts up all the naysayers on this board. :thumb:

As far as the next game with Butler... I have no idea if LHS will be fortunate enough to get past Miamisburg next week, but LHS is focused on the NEXT game which is tomorrow night. I suggest Butler do the same.

Side note: Butler's Shortstop is a stud. Very smooth.

Don't try to turn my post into something inflamatory. I stand by what I said and I think it was a fair statement. I never once "tore Dusty down", I simply said that the GCL and other Cincy schools have a Dusty Issacs type player EVERY year. That's not a knock on him, but a testament to the studs that come out of Cincy each year. Yes he is extremely rare for the Dayton area. But down in Cincy we seem to hear of kids with this type of heat year after year. Is the kid talented, absolutely. His fastball is just as advertised, and easily the fastest pitcher the Butler kids have seen this season.

As the only Butler fan to post on this thread I'm a little baffled by how you can say that I was being negative or jealous. I could have been negative about the classless display by the Lebanon press box taunting our injured player with sound effects, but I didn't even go there. The Lebanon fans were loud and obnoxious, but then again as one of the best teams in the area year in and year out we are used to seeing fans act like complete ----- when they face Butler. Lebanon is just one of about 5-6 schools that have displayed similar antics this season.

Anyone who watches Lebanon will see that he is the team. He's a special player and the ace offensively and defensively. I think TBW nailed it when he said that Dusty is the bright spot on an otherwise average team.

Yes, I would agree the the shortstop Bell is a stud. The Butler infield in general is one of the best I have ever seen at the highschool level. Definitely a solid infield.

Best of luck to Lebanon and Dusty. BTW is Issacs a senior or junior?

[FI89]

Don't try to turn my post into something inflamatory. I stand by what I said and I think it was a fair statement. I never once "tore Dusty down", I simply said that the GCL and other Cincy schools have a Dusty Issacs type player EVERY year. That's not a knock on him, but a testament to the studs that come out of Cincy each year. Yes he is extremely rare for the Dayton area. But down in Cincy we seem to hear of kids with this type of heat year after year. Is the kid talented, absolutely. His fastball is just as advertised, and easily the fastest pitcher the Butler kids have seen this season.

As the only Butler fan to post on this thread I'm a little baffled by how you can say that I was being negative or jealous. I could have been negative about the classless display by the Lebanon press box taunting our injured player with sound effects, but I didn't even go there. The Lebanon fans were loud and obnoxious, but then again as one of the best teams in the area year in and year out we are used to seeing fans act like complete ----- when they face Butler. Lebanon is just one of about 5-6 schools that have displayed similar antics this season.

Anyone who watches Lebanon will see that he is the team. He's a special player and the ace offensively and defensively. I think TBW nailed it when he said that Dusty is the bright spot on an otherwise average team.

Yes, I would agree the the shortstop Bell is a stud. The Butler infield in general is one of the best I have ever seen at the highschool level. Definitely a solid infield.

Best of luck to Lebanon and Dusty. BTW is Issacs a senior or junior?

Dusty is a junior.

Aviator, my comments were less targeted to you and more toward the other knuckleheads above making goofy comments. You just happened to have the most recent post that I chose to quote.

I applaud your objectivity and acknowledgement of Dusty as an exceptional talent in the area, when your peers were commenting out of either jealousy or ignorance. It gets old having to defend what I know is true.

As far as your other inflammatory comments about the "sound effects" or fan "antics"... Huh????? What game did you go to? The sound effects coming from the press box were for FOUL BALLS (ducks quacking, broken windows). I never once heard any sound effects broadcast that could even remotely be viewed as taunting an injured player. Please be specific. Also, as far as the fans being obnoxious, the only thing I heard that could be considered "obnoxious" was the questioning of that Ump's inconsistent strike zone which occured maybe a half a dozen times throughout the game. Butler fans did the same thing when your guys pitched.

As long as we are talking about obnoxious and classless behavior, what about the completely adolescent behavior from the Butler bench? In the 6th and 7th inning your players were screaming from the dugout like a U12 team everytime Dusty started going into his wind-up. What a bush league, silly, and desperate thing to do. I guess your coach endorses that because he did nothing to quiet them. Frankly, I've only seen one other team in the GWOC do that this year, and before that I hadn't seen it since my son was 13.

As far as LHS being an average team. I completely disagree with that assessment. Many of the kids for LHS were starters on SWOBL National League teams (league made up of the 10 best teams in Cincinnati) in the summer. We spend our summers playing in the National league in Cincinnati, and I've coached and coached against some of the best players in Cinci, so I fully appreciate the talent in Cincinnati. LHS' record does not reflect the talent on that team. Look at their losses.... Most of those losses are due to stupid base running mistakes and/or one bad inning in those games. If just one or two plays change in many of those games LHS may only have 3 or 4 losses this year.

I wish you guys the best of luck.

[ButlerAviator83]

Dusty is a junior.

Aviator, my comments were less targeted to you and more toward the other knuckleheads above making goofy comments. You just happened to have the most recent post that I chose to quote.

I applaud your objectivity and acknowledgement of Dusty as an exceptional talent in the area, when your peers were commenting out of either jealousy or ignorance. It gets old having to defend what I know is true.

As far as your other inflammatory comments about the "sound effects" or fan "antics"... Huh????? What game did you go to? The sound effects coming from the press box were for FOUL BALLS (ducks quacking, broken windows). I never once heard any sound effects broadcast that could even remotely be viewed as taunting an injured player. Please be specific. Also, as far as the fans being obnoxious, the only thing I heard that could be considered "obnoxious" was the questioning of that Ump's inconsistent strike zone which occured maybe a half a dozen times throughout the game. Butler fans did the same thing when your guys pitched.

As long as we are talking about obnoxious and classless behavior, what about the completely adolescent behavior from the Butler bench? In the 6th and 7th inning your players were screaming from the dugout like a U12 team everytime Dusty started going into his wind-up. What a bush league, silly, and desperate thing to do. I guess your coach endorses that because he did nothing to quiet them. Frankly, I've only seen one other team in the GWOC do that this year, and before that I hadn't seen it since my son was 13.

As far as LHS being an average team. I completely disagree with that assessment. Many of the kids for LHS were starters on SWOBL National League teams (league made up of the 10 best teams in Cincinnati) in the summer. We spend our summers playing in the National league in Cincinnati, and I've coached and coached against some of the best players in Cinci, so I fully appreciate the talent in Cincinnati. LHS' record does not reflect the talent on that team. Look at their losses.... Most of those losses are due to stupid base running mistakes and/or one bad inning in those games. If just one or two plays change in many of those games LHS may only have 3 or 4 losses this year.

I wish you guys the best of luck.

Well I have to admit, knowing that Issacs is a junior certainly makes him that much more impressive. I was under the impression that he was a senior. So certainly a junior doing what he is doing is a feat, and yes does make him more of a rarity. So yes, we can agree on that completely.

As for the sound effects, when our right fielder crashed into the fence head first and was being looked at by the coaches the non-stop fireworks sounds were a bit much. I completely understand celebrating a HR, but this wasn't a quick 15 second soundclip. I just thought that was a little inappropriate at the time, but so be it.

The strike zone was questionable, but it was a non-factor as neither team benefitted from that. Yes, the ump caught flack from both sides. As for the fans, maybe it was the proixmity of the two sides, it just felt like there was a lot of animosity from the get go. Like I said, people want to beat Butler and when they do it's big....I completely get that.

The Butler bench was flat until late in the game. Personally I don't see a problem with bench chatter. We get it in almost EVERY game we play, so why not return it. As long as the chatter is not personal, I don't see an issue with it. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. Had they been noisy from the get go, maybe they would have played with a little more intensity. After winning the league Monday night, they looked a little flat to me Tuesday. I take nothing away from Lebanon...they flat out BEAT us.

I don't know the backstory to most of the Lebanon losses, but the record is baffling. I fully expect to see Lebanon again. After facing Issacs and Burg's ace, I don't think there is much comparison. (Not a slight to the Burg kid) When I said I wanted to face Lebanon again, it was not out of animosity. Rather I am interested in seeing both teams throw their top guys in an all out winner takes all contest.

Assuming we both take care of business next Wednesday, we will get that. Best of luck to you guys and again, not knocking YOU or Dusty just giving my take from where I sat that night. The folks that claim he is "overrated" probably have not seen him or have an agenda, and I wouldn't spend too much time trying to reason with them.

[FI89]

Well I have to admit, knowing that Issacs is a junior certainly makes him that much more impressive. I was under the impression that he was a senior. So certainly a junior doing what he is doing is a feat, and yes does make him more of a rarity. So yes, we can agree on that completely.

As for the sound effects, when our right fielder crashed into the fence head first and was being looked at by the coaches the non-stop fireworks sounds were a bit much. I completely understand celebrating a HR, but this wasn't a quick 15 second soundclip. I just thought that was a little inappropriate at the time, but so be it.

The strike zone was questionable, but it was a non-factor as neither team benefitted from that. Yes, the ump caught flack from both sides. As for the fans, maybe it was the proixmity of the two sides, it just felt like there was a lot of animosity from the get go. Like I said, people want to beat Butler and when they do it's big....I completely get that.

The Butler bench was flat until late in the game. Personally I don't see a problem with bench chatter. We get it in almost EVERY game we play, so why not return it. As long as the chatter is not personal, I don't see an issue with it. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. Had they been noisy from the get go, maybe they would have played with a little more intensity. After winning the league Monday night, they looked a little flat to me Tuesday. I take nothing away from Lebanon...they flat out BEAT us.

I don't know the backstory to most of the Lebanon losses, but the record is baffling. I fully expect to see Lebanon again. After facing Issacs and Burg's ace, I don't think there is much comparison. (Not a slight to the Burg kid) When I said I wanted to face Lebanon again, it was not out of animosity. Rather I am interested in seeing both teams throw their top guys in an all out winner takes all contest.

Assuming we both take care of business next Wednesday, we will get that. Best of luck to you guys and again, not knocking YOU or Dusty just giving my take from where I sat that night. The folks that claim he is "overrated" probably have not seen him or have an agenda, and I wouldn't spend too much time trying to reason with them.

Ok, I understand what you are talking about now. It's all good. :) That was a hard hit your RF took on the fence, but he did get up quickly, and was looking for the ball. He didn't appear to be hurt. Tough kid. We were commenting in the stands that LHS needs to install a warning track, and it really isn't fair to not have any warning of the fence, especially when that RF fence is only about 315. I think the issue with the sound affect is they were waiting for the official ruling before they played it. The umps had to verify that the ball went over the fence. Once it was clear it was a HR, they played the sound. Admittedly, the delay in the timing was a bit weird but I truly do not believe there was anything disrespectful meant by it.

I have nothing wrong with reasonable and positive chatter that is directed to a team's own batter. I just do not like chatter that is meant to be irritating or distracting to the pitcher as they begin or are in the middle of delivering a pitch. The "Caddy Shack"-like, "Noonan" type of chatter is a taunting tactic designed to make the pitcher mad. When I coached, our teams were not allowed to do that during a pitcher's wind up. Sometimes, 3rd base coaches yell at baserunners to get bigger leads during the pitcher's wind up. I have no issues with that.

Thanks for being reasonable about Isaacs. I guess I'm a little jumpy having had to defend this young man in other threads. You are right, most of the negativity/disbelief I have read on yappi about his velocity is just flat out untrue and likely come from people that have not watched him play. I admit it's difficult to believe a Junior can be throwing that hard because there are so many exaggerated claims out there, but this kid is the real deal.

Thanks again and good luck.

[baseballA]

i think its funny when you say issacs is the only player on the team. Lebanon has 2 good pitchers (Issacs, and Poff) then they have some good bats in the lineup this year. They have Butcher Baker Schnee, Issacs, Poff, Matt Allen. Dusty is very good. .very good...but i would def. not say he is the only player on the team

[FI89]

i think its funny when you say issacs is the only player on the team. Lebanon has 2 good pitchers (Issacs, and Poff) then they have some good bats in the lineup this year. They have Butcher Baker Schnee, Issacs, Poff, Matt Allen. Dusty is very good. .very good...but i would def. not say he is the only player on the team

I definitely agree baseballa. LHS has talented players. The problem with LHS this year hasn't been a lack of talent, it's been a lack of timely hitting with runners in scoring position, and that "one bad innning" that have cost LHS some wins. If we were to look at the book on LHS' losses you would see that in many cases LHS outplayed their opponent for 6 innings. Problem is, HS baseball is a 7 inning game. :( Last night against Wayne is an example. One inning killed us, plus in the bottom of the 7th, LHS had runners on first and second with two out, and the hitter took a called third strike. Ouch!

[ButlerAviator83]

it's been a lack of timely hitting with runners in scoring position, and that "one bad innning" that have cost LHS some wins.

I know the feeling....I think Butler has left 4-5 wins on the field this year. Better to lose now than next week.