Ohio High School Baseball statistics

[HWCUSA]

Is there a rule regarding timely statistical information reporting for Ohio High School baseball?
As an example: most teams in the GMC have played at least 15 games so far this year and have reported stats for most of those games. Mason and West have reported all their games but Princeton has only reported 3 of their 15 games. Is there a reason other than procrastination, not to report them in a timely manner?

Also I know there's a program that they use to fiqure out the stats. How acurate are the stats? Who monitors them?

[BBall82]

Most stats are done by an assistant coach, or a parent. They may just be compiled by one of those people, but you would hope the head coach would check over them.

I think MOST coaches, if they submit stats, try to make sure they are relatively accurate. There are some exceptions. There is a our area allegedly leading the area with a batting average of approximately .700. In a recent double header, he was credited as being 3-5 and 4-5...unfortunately, even if you gave him the benefit of the doubt on two plays that I would have said were errors, he could have been (at BEST), 6 for 9....I mean, the kid had 10 trips to the plate and walked, K'd and popped out twice...there was no possible way to give him another hit. And he's the coaches son.

I have a hard time believeing any stats from a team who clearly fudges numbers to improve one of their player's stats. There was a player 2 years ago who was going into the last week of the season batting .830. Turns out whenever he put the ball in play and made it to first, it was a hit.....saw one go through the SS's legs and then the left fielder literally kicked it to center....the next day the player was given triple in the newspaper.

I hope coaches will be true to the stats. I don't have a kid playing anymore, but I'd rather have him EARN rave reviews than have someone rearrange the numbers.

[BJUSMA]

BBall82 -- I agree with everything you wrote. I just wanted to add that I have on occasion seen the opposite as well. I have seen it where someone keeps the books that doesn't understand what an infield hit is (good bunt down the line that is beat out, hit to the shortstop's right deep in the hole that is beat out, a hard hit ball that a player dives and makes a great play just to get a glove on, but it trickles past, etc.) For some reason, these "stingy" score keepers think the only way to get a base hit is a clean line drive to the out field. It is unfortunate, because the high school season is so short, 4-5 hits in either direction can distort the batting average in either direction, yet these stats are used to pick All-State, All-Conference teams, etc. Both cases -- "the stingy scorekeeper" and "the every thing is a hit" scorekeeper drive me nuts.

[FI89]

Well said BJUSMA! Couldn't agree more.

[munoz45]

I have one better, in last years league meeting a head coach ( dad ) had his son batting mid .670 in the league, when confronted by 3 other coaches ( who were ready for him and his inflated stats ) of his son going 2 /16 against them - how could he hit .670, he replied "he didn't make an out against the other 4 teams/ 8 games in the league", wow!!!! what a tool


Stats are what they are, I feel sorry for the kids, with altered stats, that go to camps/ colleges and don't do as well as expected, are these poeople really helping them?

[HWCUSA]

Thanks for the responses! I've seen it both ways also. The problem is not just interpretations of what is a hit, sac, fc, stolen base, error, etc. are but it's the lack of consistency due to a new score keeper each week. At least if you had the same person doing it each week (correct interpretations or not)it would be more useful and easier to gauge across the board.
Nobody seems to want to do it either.


I don't know what would be worse. To be a player with padded stats and not perform when you get your shot. Or a player with under reported stats how doesn't even get a chance to prove himself. I hate to say it but I guess the first scenario would be the best, since you at least get a shot to prove yourself.

[motorman]

At our school, we have teenage stat girls who keep the scorebook, so you can imagine some of the creative results. They are supposed to have to pass a test, but it must not be too hard with some of the scoring decisions I've seen. Especially assigning wins and losses to pitchers gets messed up. Last year we had a game that the other team at home hit a 3 run home run in the bottom of the 7th to tie. We scored in the top of the 8th to take the lead and changed pitchers to start the 8th. We held on to win and they credited the kid who pitched the 8th with the win, when the 7th inning pitcher is the winner and the 8th inning pitcher should get a save.

[gocomets21]

HWCUSA, I believe Mason has a parent of a former player (Grant Lewis) keep stats at every game. It appears he does a very good job and does not pad stats and is very accurate. I would assume this is not the same at every school, and you are always going to see inaccurate stats at the high school level. I would be curious if both teams books get together after a game and get on the same page or if each school just kind of keeps their own stats. Here are Mason's box scores for the year: http://www.masoncomets.org/athletics/results_spring_08_09_2.html
As you can see they are very detailed down to passed balls, catcher's interferences, stolen bases, errors, etc.

I think it is a disservice to some of the higher profile kids at Princeton such as Davis and Ware, who are college prospects, to not have their stats reported. I would think that college coaches take a peep at websites such as gmcsports.com to see what kids are doing.

[HWCUSA]

HWCUSA, I believe Mason has a parent of a former player (Grant Lewis) keep stats at every game. It appears he does a very good job and does not pad stats and is very accurate. I would assume this is not the same at every school, and you are always going to see inaccurate stats at the high school level. I would be curious if both teams books get together after a game and get on the same page or if each school just kind of keeps their own stats. Here are Mason's box scores for the year: http://www.masoncomets.org/athletics/results_spring_08_09_2.html
As you can see they are very detailed down to passed balls, catcher's interferences, stolen bases, errors, etc.

I think it is a disservice to some of the higher profile kids at Princeton such as Davis and Ware, who are college prospects, to not have their stats reported. I would think that college coaches take a peep at websites such as gmcsports.com to see what kids are doing.


Your right about the Mason Box Scores, they are very detailed. Looking at them, one could feel pretty certain they are accurate. I assume these are the exception and not the rule.
I also agree about the disservice if the player is doing better than his stats show due to lack of data input. But certain stats could look better (IE:Bat avg.), if you wait to report the data until later in the season. Let's face it, the more at bats you have the more likely your avg will slip a little if your team is performing poorly.
In the case of Princeton, they had about 6 players on the leader stats for highest batting avg. while they only showed a couple of games. The other GMC schools showed 10 or more games. We know they are having a rough season so when they finally did input current (almost current) stats all but two players dropped off the leader lists.

I guess what I'm getting at, do you think some teams do things like report slow, fast, over or under reported stats, to try and portray a desired perception?

Perhaps, I should have asked the question for my poll this way:
High school baseball stats are as close to 100% accurate as you could get, under the current rules/conditions? IDK