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nmont08balla
04-26-09, 06:53 PM
who u guys think is going to be the players of the year in each division of the GWOC?? and the whole GWOC??
viking08
04-27-09, 08:32 AM
who u guys think is going to be the players of the year in each division of the GWOC?? and the whole GWOC??
I've watched alot of baseball this spring and I would say they should all come from either Northmont or Centerville. No one touches these two teams. I saw article in paper Sunday on Centerville and Wayne. Is the Wayne program in the toilet or what?
nmont08balla
04-27-09, 12:43 PM
well i dont really know that much about this years teams but so far from the GWOC Central its most likely going to come down to Ian Creager (northmont), Andrew Brown (centerville), and Brendon Cunningham (fairmont). so far though Creager walks away with it, 6-0 with a 1.66 ERA and 30 K's...i dont know much from the other 2 divisions but Ralston from Butler sounds like he is doing really well, 5-1 and 2.47 ERA and 29 K's...and out of the south dusty issacs, he is only 1-1 with a 2.25 ERA and 29 K's but is also hitting .449 with 5 HR and 20 RBI's
Wayneleadoff06
04-27-09, 05:02 PM
For the last 2 decades Waynes coach has been spoiled with an abundance of talent year after year. We used to always wonder what would happen to Wayne high school baseball when the talent finally ran dry. It seems we are starting to see that right now.
well i dont really know that much about this years teams but so far from the GWOC Central its most likely going to come down to Ian Creager (northmont), Andrew Brown (centerville), and Brendon Cunningham (fairmont). so far though Creager walks away with it, 6-0 with a 1.66 ERA and 30 K's...i dont know much from the other 2 divisions but Ralston from Butler sounds like he is doing really well, 5-1 and 2.47 ERA and 29 K's...and out of the south dusty issacs, he is only 1-1 with a 2.25 ERA and 29 K's but is also hitting .449 with 5 HR and 20 RBI's
Stats will certainly be used to pick the POY, and Creager has impressive stats but that doesn't necessarily mean that the award will indicate the best pitcher in the league. I still have not seen a pitcher in the GWOC that compares with Dusty Isaacs. He throws 94, and his offspeed is 20 MPH slower which makes good hitters look stupid. And you are right, he hits the crap out of the ball. I'd vote for Isaacs.
nmont08balla
04-28-09, 02:17 AM
Stats will certainly be used to pick the POY, and Creager has impressive stats but that doesn't necessarily mean that the award will indicate the best pitcher in the league. I still have not seen a pitcher in the GWOC that compares with Dusty Isaacs. He throws 94, and his offspeed is 20 MPH slower which makes good hitters look stupid. And you are right, he hits the crap out of the ball. I'd vote for Isaacs.
i never said creager was for the whole GWOC...i said for his division. and yes issacs has very good stats but i dont know bout him hittin 94 MPH with his fastball and his offspeed is 20 MPH slower...i faced hm last year and he only threw around low 80's and his offspeed wasnt that good. there is no way he gained over 10 MPH on his fastball in one offseason (nice try though)
i never said creager was for the whole GWOC...i said for his division. and yes issacs has very good stats but i dont know bout him hittin 94 MPH with his fastball and his offspeed is 20 MPH slower...i faced hm last year and he only threw around low 80's and his offspeed wasnt that good. there is no way he gained over 10 MPH on his fastball in one offseason (nice try though)
Dude, first of all, you lost all credibility with me when you say he was low 80's last year. Dusty Isaacs was in the low 80's when he was 14 - 15!
Last year he topped out at 88, so 94 represents a 6 mph gain in a year, which is doable for an elite athlete. Keep in mind, he is starting QB for a DI program in a tough conference (second leading QB in the GWOC). His arm gets stronger through football, AND he is an old Junior. He will be 18 this summer so he has a year of development on other Juniors.
Furthermore, I am not his dad, nor am I related to him so I have no agenda to advance this kid, BUT I have watched him pitch EVERY game this year, AND I have stood next to the gun for three of those games. And YES, he tops out at 94 on his fastball. For the record, he hit 93 at the SWOBAT pitching showcase this past winter which got the attention of Indiana University. IU was scouting him at the Miamisburg game.
He is consistently between 90 - 93 on most of his fastballs. And YES, his offspeed clocks at 70 - 73. You can choose to believe or not, but I have seen it, and I have seen the gun for every inning of the games he has pitched. Let's see you hit against him this year.
Nice try though. :rolleyes:
P.S. Tough luck against Beavercreek last night.
southpaw69
04-28-09, 08:51 AM
Dude, first of all, you lost all credibility with me when you say he was low 80's last year. Dusty Isaacs was in the low 80's when he was 14 - 15!
Last year he topped out at 88, so 94 represents a 6 mph gain in a year, which is doable for an elite athlete. Keep in mind, he is starting QB for a DI program in a tough conference (second leading QB in the GWOC). His arm gets stronger through football, AND he is an old Junior. He will be 18 this summer so he has a year of development on other Juniors.
Furthermore, I am not his dad, nor am I related to him so I have no agenda to advance this kid, BUT I have watched him pitch EVERY game this year, AND I have stood next to the gun for three of those games. And YES, he tops out at 94 on his fastball. For the record, he hit 93 at the SWOBAT pitching showcase this past winter which got the attention of Indiana University. IU was scouting him at the Miamisburg game.
He is consistently between 90 - 93 on most of his fastballs. And YES, his offspeed clocks at 70 - 73. You can choose to believe or not, but I have seen it, and I have seen the gun for every inning of the games he has pitched. Let's see you hit against him this year.
Nice try though. :rolleyes:
P.S. Tough luck against Beavercreek last night.
Indiana? I would forget about that. This kid is getting drafted in the first couple of rounds. There should be 15 pro scouts a game when he pitches. 90-93 on most fast balls with sick off speed? Hard to believe. What a difference a year makes.
TheBenchwarmer
04-28-09, 10:30 AM
Isaacs? if this kid was so overpowerinf wouldn't he have more than a win under his belt? either he has control issues and is hitting batters/walking runs in, or teams are hitting the crap out of him. The GWOC site lists Adam Poff as Lebanon's top pitcher at 3-1 4.00 ERA. Top pitcher in the GWOC is Andre Brown, Creager or Ralston.
Isaacs? if this kid was so overpowerinf wouldn't he have more than a win under his belt? either he has control issues and is hitting batters/walking runs in, or teams are hitting the crap out of him. The GWOC site lists Adam Poff as Lebanon's top pitcher at 3-1 4.00 ERA. Top pitcher in the GWOC is Andre Brown, Creager or Ralston.
Poff is a decent pitcher, but not at the same level as Dusty. As I have said before, STATS MEAN VERY LITTLE, and are not an accurate way to judge a pitcher. If it were, I can name at least 30 pitchers in the Major Leagues that should be working at WalMart. Stats can be manipulated, especially for pitchers.
Dusty Isaacs pitches against LHS' best opponents, so he isn't getting any cupcakes where some of these other pitchers are obviously pitching much more often that Isaacs does. In spite of that, he dominates good hitting teams.
His WHIP is 1.38, with a 1.70 ERA, and 37K's through 24 innings. Plus, I don't think those stats include his last few games which were very good. Dusty always goes deep into the game (6 innings usually), and has lost leads with LHS' relief pitching (mostly due to pitch selection, but that is another story), AND/OR most importantly LHS' offense has produced no runs for him.
1) Miamisburg for example... conditions were 42 degrees, wet, and windy and he still allowed only 3 hits through 5 full innings, and 1 earned run on 92 pitches. Meanwhile, LHS only had 4 hits through 7 innings and one run (A Dusty Isaacs Home Run in his first at bat). Meanwhile, LHS loses the game in extra innings due to their relief pitching and jumpy defense (3 errors in the 8th inning, and a very questionable Balk call on the reliever).
2) This past Saturday, Isaacs pitched a 1 hitter, allowing two runs against a very good Mason team over 6 full innings while LHS could only muster 6 hits over 7 innings while leaving 12 runners stranded on base and 5 in scoring position. Meanwhile Mason left only 5 runners on, and 2 in scoring position.
LHS uses a 4 man rotation and Dusty only gets the toughest assignments. It isn't his fault if his team can't put runs on the board in support of his pitching.
Bottom line is, if you lined up the other "good" pitchers against Isaacs and had them pitch, I believe Isaacs would stand out as the best of all of them.
ButlerAviator83
04-28-09, 01:28 PM
I have heard of Isaacs, but have not yet seen him pitch. Maybe the Aviators will get a chance to see him when Butler and Lebanon play. As for top pitchers, I really don't see one that stands out above the rest on paper anyways. Hopefully whoever votes on this stuff has had a chance to see all of these guys, and their bodies of work.
I agree with FI89, can't just go based on stats and W/L here. High school pitchers get used in too many different ways and situations.
Hakko936
04-28-09, 01:55 PM
This past Saturday, Isaacs pitched a 1 hitter, allowing two runs against a very good Mason team over 6 full innings while LHS could only muster 6 hits over 7 innings while leaving 12 runners stranded on base and 5 in scoring position. Meanwhile Mason left only 5 runners on, and 2 in scoring position.
I have never seen Isaacs pitch and know nothing about him, but I am going to ask some questions anyway.
1) Does he walk many guys or do they reach by errors? Throwing a 1 hitter is impressive, but the number of base runners is alarming. Is he pitching around his own walks or a poor defense?
2) Who are his wins against?
3) Who are his losses against?
4) Who were the games with the blown leads against?
5) Any idea when he is pitching again? I would like to see him pitch. It is not often that you get to see a high schooler dealing in the low 90's.
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I found a box score of the mason game on the mason website.
http://www.masoncomets.org/athletics/masleb01.htm
I have never seen Isaacs pitch and know nothing about him, but I am going to ask some questions anyway.
1) Does he walk many guys or do they reach by errors? Throwing a 1 hitter is impressive, but the number of base runners is alarming. Is he pitching around his own walks or a poor defense?
2) Who are his wins against?
3) Who are his losses against?
4) Who were the games with the blown leads against?
5) Any idea when he is pitching again? I would like to see him pitch. It is not often that you get to see a high schooler dealing in the low 90's.
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I found a box score of the mason game on the mason website.
http://www.masoncomets.org/athletics/masleb01.htm
thank you for the link! I hadn't seen that yet. Interesting, they show 4 hits for Mason, I scored the at-bat for Davis in the 4th inning an error (on LHS' shortstop), since it was a routine play that went under the SS glove. So, that hit is bogus IMO. Mason was the home team, so they gave a hit to their kid rather than score it an error. Anyway....
Number of baserunners "alarming"? I don't think he allows many baserunners at all. His WHIP is pretty good considering the competition he has faced. Plus the M'Burg game skews the numbers somewhat. Besides, a power pitcher will walk more on occasion.
I have 8 games in my book, with two of those being games Dusty pitched, but I attended the other games he pitched I just didn't keep the book for those games. LHS blew leads in all but 1 of the games Isaacs pitched. Of the two games in my book, he walked 4 against Miamisburg, and 2 against Mason (with one Hit Batter). Admittedly, he struggled a bit with control in the Miamisburg game, because the conditions sucked that day and he was trying to work at a quicker tempo.
From an in-conference perspective, his numbers are even better. 0.91 ERA, and a 1.57 WHIP.
I would suspect his next game would be against Springboro which is scheduled tomorrow night (Wednesday) AT Springboro. Of course, the rain could have something to say about that.
Hakko936
04-28-09, 03:04 PM
My comment about the number of baserunners being alarming was for the one hitter only. I based that on one hit and at least six other baserunners (2 runs scored plus five left on). For a one hitter, that is a lot of base runners. If he threw 6 innings, a runner an inning got on base via BB or error. I wanted to distinguish between the two. If they get on base with errors, the pitcher is doing his job. If they get on via BB, it might indicate control issues.
I know one loss was Mason. What about the other(s)? Who were the wins against? Who were the blown leads (no decision) against?
Please don't take my questions as an attack on the kid (and I don't think you have so far) because that is certainly not my intent. The number of strikeouts indicate the kid can deal. I am just looking for details about his outings.
It is easiest for me to get to Northmont games. Hopefully he will pitch that game too. It is fun to watch a kid with a big arm throw at the HS level.
nmont08balla
04-28-09, 04:24 PM
Dude, first of all, you lost all credibility with me when you say he was low 80's last year. Dusty Isaacs was in the low 80's when he was 14 - 15!
Last year he topped out at 88, so 94 represents a 6 mph gain in a year, which is doable for an elite athlete. Keep in mind, he is starting QB for a DI program in a tough conference (second leading QB in the GWOC). His arm gets stronger through football, AND he is an old Junior. He will be 18 this summer so he has a year of development on other Juniors.
Furthermore, I am not his dad, nor am I related to him so I have no agenda to advance this kid, BUT I have watched him pitch EVERY game this year, AND I have stood next to the gun for three of those games. And YES, he tops out at 94 on his fastball. For the record, he hit 93 at the SWOBAT pitching showcase this past winter which got the attention of Indiana University. IU was scouting him at the Miamisburg game.
He is consistently between 90 - 93 on most of his fastballs. And YES, his offspeed clocks at 70 - 73. You can choose to believe or not, but I have seen it, and I have seen the gun for every inning of the games he has pitched. Let's see you hit against him this year.
Nice try though. :rolleyes:
P.S. Tough luck against Beavercreek last night.
ok first off since u r a lebanon player or fan, dont talk crap about northmont losing cuz by the record lebanon aint really the best team to be talkn crap to any team, especially northmont. ur record is 8-7 compared to northmonts 12-5... secondly i dont know how u know this issacs kid but i have asked players that have faced him this year and last that he doesnt come close to 94 MPH...they said maybe 86 87 but definately not 94... if a kid in the GWOC throws in the 90's they would have had an article in the paper about them, and they would definately not be 1-2 pitching record!!! haha so i think everyone else on here would agree that u r jus tryin to talk him up and u r lying...TOO BAD BUDDY
Lebonite
04-28-09, 09:43 PM
i never said creager was for the whole GWOC...i said for his division. and yes issacs has very good stats but i dont know bout him hittin 94 MPH with his fastball and his offspeed is 20 MPH slower...i faced hm last year and he only threw around low 80's and his offspeed wasnt that good. there is no way he gained over 10 MPH on his fastball in one offseason (nice try though)
BTW- Isaacs did not pitch against NMont last year. You must have him mixed up with someone else. Hopefully for Lebanon, you get a chance to face him this season.
ok first off since u r a lebanon player or fan, dont talk crap about northmont losing cuz by the record lebanon aint really the best team to be talkn crap to any team, especially northmont. ur record is 8-7 compared to northmonts 12-5... secondly i dont know how u know this issacs kid but i have asked players that have faced him this year and last that he doesnt come close to 94 MPH...they said maybe 86 87 but definately not 94... if a kid in the GWOC throws in the 90's they would have had an article in the paper about them, and they would definately not be 1-2 pitching record!!! haha so i think everyone else on here would agree that u r jus tryin to talk him up and u r lying...TOO BAD BUDDY
Talking crap? :shrug: I meant nothing by my comment. I just happened to see the story on N'Mont vs. Beavercreek last night in the DDN. I think you must have a chip on your shoulder to be so defensive. Incidentally, LHS pounded Beavercreek tonight 9 - 4, and 'Creek did not look that good at all. So, what do records mean?
08balla, you are obviously a kid and I am not interested in arguing with a teenager. I have no hidden agenda, Dusty is not my child, I am not related to him, and I'm not in the business of promoting players. I was merely trying to recognize a player that is a unique talent in this area and all you can do is spew anecdotal comments about what you "heard" he threw based upon what other kids "think" he threw, and then you accuse me of lying.
Frankly, I don't really care what you, or the players you have talked to think. I have personally witnessed the Jugs results in at least 3 games in which he has had the gun applied. Giving your argument the benefit of the doubt, I suppose one of those guns could have been wrong, but all THREE? Not likely. For the record, I said his fastball "topped out at 94", but his was consistently between 90 - 93. If you are going to mock me, at least be accurate.
This whole topic is getting stupid at this point. I've said my piece. You can either believe it or not. I'm done arguing it.
nmont08balla
04-28-09, 11:47 PM
BTW- Isaacs did not pitch against NMont last year. You must have him mixed up with someone else. Hopefully for Lebanon, you get a chance to face him this season.
he did come in an inning or 2 for relief, i remember him cuz he was their hardest thrower... jus lets drop this arguement cuz its pointless unless we get some pro scout to gun him or it is announced in the paper or a websitem and back to FI89's saying of how the player of the year is chosen, it is based on stats not how hard they throw and that stuff...its mainly stats and reputation, example for the stats being the main cause of MVP, LeBron James, wat 6 years in the NBA and the most dominating player, but not til this year he won the MVP because his stats were finally better than anyone elses, if it was his reputation he would win it every year
blu-jay
04-29-09, 11:46 AM
Player of the year from the south div. is DOTSON batting .596
he's only a soph.
he did come in an inning or 2 for relief, i remember him cuz he was their hardest thrower... jus lets drop this arguement cuz its pointless unless we get some pro scout to gun him or it is announced in the paper or a websitem and back to FI89's saying of how the player of the year is chosen, it is based on stats not how hard they throw and that stuff...its mainly stats and reputation, example for the stats being the main cause of MVP, LeBron James, wat 6 years in the NBA and the most dominating player, but not til this year he won the MVP because his stats were finally better than anyone elses, if it was his reputation he would win it every year
Just to be clear, I said that "stats would certainly be used to select the POY, but that doesn't necessarily mean that person is the best pitcher" Of course that assumes a pitcher is selected for POY.
Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that stats can be deceiving. I've seen GREAT pitchers with poor W/L records, and so-so pitchers with great W/L records. So much of a pitcher's success is linked to offensive output, and defensive support behind him. To Hakko's point, the best statistical measure of a great pitcher is WHIP, innings pitched per game, pitch count, and control. Velocity is sexy, impressive, and gets the scouts attention. In the end, we have all heard stories about scouts that will take a 95 MPH pitcher with questionable control over a kid that throws 84 but can hit his spots and get people out. They figure the fireballer can be fixed, meanwhile the kid that can actually PITCH, gets overlooked.
P.S. By the way blu jay.... who does Dotson play for? that is an impressive batting average if his AB's are decent.
Bird Reporter
04-29-09, 03:04 PM
Isaacs? if this kid was so overpowerinf wouldn't he have more than a win under his belt? either he has control issues and is hitting batters/walking runs in, or teams are hitting the crap out of him. The GWOC site lists Adam Poff as Lebanon's top pitcher at 3-1 4.00 ERA. Top pitcher in the GWOC is Andre Brown, Creager or Ralston.
Issacs Throws 90+mph .
go to Perfect game website. National Showcase this past December.
blu-jay
04-29-09, 04:38 PM
Just to be clear, I said that "stats would certainly be used to select the POY, but that doesn't necessarily mean that person is the best pitcher" Of course that assumes a pitcher is selected for POY.
Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that stats can be deceiving. I've seen GREAT pitchers with poor W/L records, and so-so pitchers with great W/L records. So much of a pitcher's success is linked to offensive output, and defensive support behind him. To Hakko's point, the best statistical measure of a great pitcher is WHIP, innings pitched per game, pitch count, and control. Velocity is sexy, impressive, and gets the scouts attention. In the end, we have all heard stories about scouts that will take a 95 MPH pitcher with questionable control over a kid that throws 84 but can hit his spots and get people out. They figure the fireballer can be fixed, meanwhile the kid that can actually PITCH, gets overlooked.
P.S. By the way blu jay.... who does Dotson play for? that is an impressive batting average if his AB's are decent.
DOTSON has over 55 ab he's a hardnosed ballplayer from mburg .
rlentless
04-29-09, 07:38 PM
I agree with FI89, can't just go based on stats and W/L here. High school pitchers get used in too many different ways and situations.
How much publicity a player gets seems to be tied very closely to how a coach decides to use them. There was a local player in the early 1990's who threw (with control) in the mid 90's and I think he pitched one time his senior year.
His situation also illustrates that talent will generally be noticed regardless of what happens in high school ball. If you can throw 90 in high school, the scouts will find you.
How much publicity a player gets seems to be tied very closely to how a coach decides to use them. There was a local player in the early 1990's who threw (with control) in the mid 90's and I think he pitched one time his senior year.
His situation also illustrates that talent will generally be noticed regardless of what happens in high school ball. If you can throw 90 in high school, the scouts will find you.
Very true, well said rlentless.
Thank you Blu jay. I thought it was 'Burg. He IS a good player. Speaking of 'Burg, I've been a little surprised at Birchmeier this year. He's talented, and I thought he would have a better year than he has had so far.
BirdReporter, Thanks for referencing that link on Dusty Isaacs. Finally some documented proof that the Northmont guy was looking for.
Hakko936
04-30-09, 09:44 AM
He is consistently between 90 - 93 on most of his fastballs. And YES, his offspeed clocks at 70 - 73. You can choose to believe or not, but I have seen it, and I have seen the gun for every inning of the games he has pitched. Let's see you hit against him this year.
I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you mentioned that the Perfect Game site validated your comment, I will.
Dusty Isaacs Perfect Game Profile (http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=211918)
Another Perfect Game link (http://www.baseballwebtv.com/Video.aspx?videoID=25547)
"FB touched 90 mph with minimum effort, mostly straight, , flashes three quality secondary pitches, CB has tight spin, 2 plane break, SL also tight with more sweep, change gets nice sink with deception."
The second link lists his curveball at 78.
Perfect Game says his fastball "touched 90mph". That does not mean he consistently throws 90-93 as you stated. If he had consistently thrown 90-93, they would have said that rather than "touched 90mph". They also have documentation that his offspeed CB is 78 which is quite a bit different than 70-73.
You may have seen guns that validate your comments, but Perfect Game does not.
Isaacs is obviously a very talented pitcher and is highly rated by Perfect Game. Nothing I am stating is meant to diminish that fact and it would be stupid of me to try to bring the kid down.
This does nothing but expose a problem that is rampant in baseball circles. The almighty radar gun causes a lot of problems when discussing a pitcher. A young pitcher can have velocity changes from day to day and it is all to easy to simply quote the day that was their best than looking at what an average day is. Don't get me wrong, I understand why people do it, but it often builds a kid up to be something they are not.
Example: Which kid looks like the phenom? Consistent 90-93mph FB with offspeed at 70-73 or consistently throwing 87-90 with offspeed at 78. While both pitchers are obviously throwing hard, the first kid will get more looks based on those numbers when in fact he might be the second kid on a normal day.
Again, I hope to get to see Isaacs pitch because he obviously has a big arm and is highly rated by Perfect Game. I like to watch pitching, so it should be very enjoyable to watch him.
I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you mentioned that the Perfect Game site validated your comment, I will.
Dusty Isaacs Perfect Game Profile (http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=211918)
Another Perfect Game link (http://www.baseballwebtv.com/Video.aspx?videoID=25547)
"FB touched 90 mph with minimum effort, mostly straight, , flashes three quality secondary pitches, CB has tight spin, 2 plane break, SL also tight with more sweep, change gets nice sink with deception."
The second link lists his curveball at 78.
Perfect Game says his fastball "touched 90mph". That does not mean he consistently throws 90-93 as you stated. If he had consistently thrown 90-93, they would have said that rather than "touched 90mph". They also have documentation that his offspeed CB is 78 which is quite a bit different than 70-73.
You may have seen guns that validate your comments, but Perfect Game does not.
Isaacs is obviously a very talented pitcher and is highly rated by Perfect Game. Nothing I am stating is meant to diminish that fact and it would be stupid of me to try to bring the kid down.
This does nothing but expose a problem that is rampant in baseball circles. The almighty radar gun causes a lot of problems when discussing a pitcher. A young pitcher can have velocity changes from day to day and it is all to easy to simply quote the day that was their best than looking at what an average day is. Don't get me wrong, I understand why people do it, but it often builds a kid up to be something they are not.
Example: Which kid looks like the phenom? Consistent 90-93mph FB with offspeed at 70-73 or consistently throwing 87-90 with offspeed at 78. While both pitchers are obviously throwing hard, the first kid will get more looks based on those numbers when in fact he might be the second kid on a normal day.
Again, I hope to get to see Isaacs pitch because he obviously has a big arm and is highly rated by Perfect Game. I like to watch pitching, so it should be very enjoyable to watch him.
I can't believe I am being sucked back into this debate again. :wallbang:
Look, Hakko, I am NOT lying about this. I realize you do not know me, and if you choose to be cynical about what you read on on-line forums, I can't blame you for that. I too am cynical about claims I read on line.
Also, look at the date on that profile you linked!!! 2008! Those numbers came from a PG national underclass event last year, he is a Junior this year and a full year older. I don't know why you people can't just accept the fact that there is a kid out there that is THIS good?
Lastly, not to beat a dead horse, I've seen the gun display on him at three games this year, and I saw the gun at SWOBAT this winter during Flames workouts (for only about 5 pitches). AND, I saw the jugs display on probably 20 - 25 pitches at each of those games. I think that is a pretty good statistical sampling. The FB speeds, and offspeed differentials I posted are all accurate for him. Incidentally, when LHS played Mason, a friend of mine from Mason stood behind the Wright State scout and saw the speeds recorded on that gun. He hit 93 in that game.
Do this.... Bring your own gun to a Flames game this summer where he is pitching and YOU make your own mind up. I will never be able to convince you on this forum.
Hakko936
04-30-09, 11:36 AM
Also, look at the date on that profile you linked!!! 2008! Those numbers came from a PG national underclass event last year, he is a Junior this year and a full year older. I don't know why you people can't just accept the fact that there is a kid out there that is THIS good?
That event was held December 28-30, 2008. That is four months ago and that is why I brought it up. If it had been April 2008, I wouldn't have brought it up because a kid can gain a bunch in one year.
Like I said, I don't doubt the big arm and am not trying to knock the kid. If I get a chance to see him pitch, I will look for a scout with a gun and take a look. I won't be surprised if he hits it, and I won't be surprised if he doesn't because he could be having a great day or an off day.
I stand corrected. I thought this was an event held last summer. You are right.
One other thing to consider though. Remember, Dusty plays football from July/August through October, then I'm sure he takes some time off (if he doesn't, he should). A kid that is a full time HS QB in the fall can't possibly be in pitching shape by December 28th. It takes awhile to work out the football passing mechanics and get the arm accustom to throwing a baseball again. So, after thinking about it, it's not unrealistic to see a 3 - 4 mph increase after 4 months of dedicated baseball. All I know is, he has exceeded that velocity now.
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