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Latinblue
11-22-08, 04:47 PM
Who will be the top of the CHL this year?
Pea_Tear_Griffin
11-24-08, 02:10 PM
mariemont
madiera
wyoming
reading
finneytown
Indian hill
taylor
deer park
One&Only
11-24-08, 02:18 PM
mariemont
wyoming
Indian Hill
Finneytown
Madiera
Reading
Taylor
Deer Park
Not that either of you can spell it, but I don't see how Madeira drops to the bottom half.
1. Mariemont
2. Madeira
3a. Indian Hill
3b. Wyoming
5. Finneytown
6. Reading
7. Taylor
8. Deer Park
basesloaded
11-25-08, 01:29 PM
Boys, it's all about pitching and Finneytown will have the best 1-2 punch in the league on the mound. Brown was lights out against D1 hitters in the GCL last year. He will dominate CHL hitters. Sammons was 1st team all conference last year. Those two on the bump will be very tough to beat in conference games.
Finneytown
Mariemont
Madeira
Wyoming
Indian Hill
Reading
Taylor
Deer Park
chlkyle
11-25-08, 04:49 PM
Boys, it's all about pitching and Finneytown will have the best 1-2 punch in the league on the mound. Brown was lights out against D1 hitters in the GCL last year. He will dominate CHL hitters. Sammons was 1st team all conference last year. Those two on the bump will be very tough to beat in conference games.
Finneytown
Mariemont
Madeira
Wyoming
Indian Hill
Reading
Taylor
Deer Park
Sammons is not playing this year, so brown will be pretty lonely.
thestar!
11-25-08, 08:58 PM
what????? where did you here that from sammons is playing......
Pea_Tear_Griffin
11-26-08, 08:22 PM
Boys, it's all about pitching and Finneytown will have the best 1-2 punch in the league on the mound. Brown was lights out against D1 hitters in the GCL last year. He will dominate CHL hitters. Sammons was 1st team all conference last year. Those two on the bump will be very tough to beat in conference games.
Finneytown
Mariemont
Madeira
Wyoming
Indian Hill
Reading
Taylor
Deer Park
Very very true. it is all about pitching. but as i recall, sammons had a few losses last year from faulty finneytown defense! no one will back them up. and no kidding? Sammons isnt playing???? Sammons and woodward, 2 of the cities finest. gone
anonymousFATBEAR13
11-27-08, 12:22 PM
haha you guys are funny... you dont think madeira who almost won the league last year and only lost one player and got a transfer to fill his spot will win the league or better yet finish in the top half of the league this year? haha you guys are jokesters
TarHealTony
11-27-08, 11:23 PM
haha you guys are funny... you dont think madeira who almost won the league last year and only lost one player and got a transfer to fill his spot will win the league or better yet finish in the top half of the league this year? haha you guys are jokesters
The CHL is an average league with a few players, here and there. You all get fired up about who plays whom but the competition is comparable to knothole so the games appear equal. Only a few players could crack the lineup of the truly good schools (Princeton, Lakota's, GCL schools). Pitching is sporadic at best. You all squeal about having to face a #1 from time to time but name a team that has any pitching depth and is effective over a season.
gclbaseball1
11-27-08, 11:53 PM
The CHL is an average league with a few players, here and there. You all get fired up about who plays whom but the competition is comparable to knothole so the games appear equal. Only a few players could crack the lineup of the truly good schools (GCL schools). Pitching is sporadic at best. You all squeal about having to face a #1 from time to time but name a team that has any pitching depth and is effective over a season.
Very very true. GCL is a deeper league than the CHL, no doubt.
The GCL is known for having bigger schools in it too, so to compare the GCL and the CHL is unfair.. But if I can remember right Madeira knocked of GCL school Fenwick in 2007 to advance to the final four. And since I had nothing better to do after a large turkey dinner I found that the CHL has a 17-11 record against GCL teams in the last 5 years.. So there you go, now run along and go talk smack to other conferences that you actually have a winning record against.
SSRS20
anonymousFATBEAR13
11-28-08, 07:44 PM
get outa hear tarheel... no need to come in here and start talking about the gcl.. whats the point of coming in here and saying the gcl is better than the chl? trying to make yourself feel better about why you didnt make the team? get outa here this is the chl forum not the gcl forum
Pea_Tear_Griffin
11-30-08, 09:42 AM
Does anyone know if Sammons is playing???? it said on this forum that sammons is not playing. I know he was injured this fall during football, but it cant be that bad right?
truthbtold
12-01-08, 05:20 PM
The CHL is an average league with a few players, here and there. You all get fired up about who plays whom but the competition is comparable to knothole so the games appear equal. Only a few players could crack the lineup of the truly good schools (Princeton, Lakota's, GCL schools). Pitching is sporadic at best. You all squeal about having to face a #1 from time to time but name a team that has any pitching depth and is effective over a season.
GCL should have better talent. With the exceptionof Purcell, all the GCL schools have 150+ more boys than the majority of the CHL schools. But I haven't really seen Purcell, Bacon, CJ and Alter tear it up lately. If you're talking GCL south schools, now yopu have 600)+ than the chl schools. Nice, even comparison.
Latinblue
12-01-08, 05:51 PM
GCL is overrated
gclbaseball1
12-01-08, 09:01 PM
GCL is overrated
What's your opinion based on? And this isn't the GCL thread this is CHL back to the topic.
You and Tony are the two that brought the GCL up in this conversation!
But the fact is, some CHL schools do play GCL schools that are near their size, whether it be in regular season or postseason. And the fact of the matter is, thanks to SS20RS, that the CHL has a winning record against the GCL over the last five years.
Of course the Moellers, St. Xs, Elders, and LaSalles are better than the CHL. Look at the enrollments! The CHL is a very good small school baseball league, and many of the teams in the CHL have been more successful recently than the small school GCL teams. Face the facts!
TarHealTony
12-03-08, 08:57 PM
get outa hear tarheel... no need to come in here and start talking about the gcl.. whats the point of coming in here and saying the gcl is better than the chl? trying to make yourself feel better about why you didnt make the team? get outa here this is the chl forum not the gcl forum
You all are amazing. I obviously pointed out a sore spot. It wasn't that way when I lived up there. I didn't realize the Lakota's (East & West) and Princeton had become part of the GCL since I left. What about Milford, Oak Hills, and Colerain? Have they been absorbed too? As usual, a point made will usually start a storm here in computer land. The fact is the smaller schools are lucky to put together nine guys on any given day and make a show of it. They play each other and at the end of the day feel good about a 12 run 5 error effort while they eke out a 2 run win. The competition is respectable because the teams are similar. It is the nature of the beast. The bigger schools have more to draw from and put out a better overall talent level. Check out what they graduate and where those players end up going. As I mentioned, the smaller leagues/teams will have a player now and then but nothing consistent. So your beloved CHL is fine but look at the results. These teams can't be expected to play with the big boys (GCL or non GCL--big or small) on a consistent basis. That is why the league is set up the way it is. My comments just pointed out the facts.
gclbaseball1
12-03-08, 08:59 PM
You and Tony are the two that brought the GCL up in this conversation!
But the fact is, some CHL schools do play GCL schools that are near their size, whether it be in regular season or postseason. And the fact of the matter is, thanks to SS20RS, that the CHL has a winning record against the GCL over the last five years.
Hahaha against who Purcell??
TarHealTony
12-03-08, 09:05 PM
Hahaha against who Purcell??
Many of the smaller GCL schools should disband their sports teams and concentrate on academics. They have become projects. Doesn't the CHL have a bunch of different sized schools? Don't they play in different divisions when it comes to the State? Unless it is the playoffs I doubt if these teams would even throw their #1, 2 or 3. And the point then becomes that most of the smaller schools don't have a #2 or #3.
While SS20RS research is not completely accurate, it still proves a point. The CHL is very comparable in size to the GCL, excluding the South division. The CHL has had a victory over every single team in the other two divisons in the past three years, with the exception of Alter and Carroll (who they have not played). This includes victories over Purcell, Fenwick, Bacon, CJ, and McNick in tournament play, so don't give me that bull about the pitching. The CHL can compete with the GCL in baseball. Period.
P.S. You're an idiot for saying that the argument then becomes the small schools don't have a #2 or #3. We're arguing that the GCL schools comparable in size to the CHL schools aren't as good in baseball, which your prove by saying they don't have the pitching (not including Badin or McNick, they could compete for a title every year in the CHL). Madeira, Wyoming, and even Reading could compete for the title in the small-school GCL leagues on an anual basis over the past ten years.
truthbtold
12-03-08, 11:31 PM
Just look at the city's Top 10 rankings for Division 2-4 over the past two or three years. Consistantly, Reading, Madeira, Wyoming, Mariemont are there, and Finneytown and Indian Hill are in the mix.
2007:
Madeira (CHL tri-champ) beats Fenwick (GCL North Champ) 4-2 in the postseason. Madeira #2 vs. Fenwick #2.
Get outta the CHL thread!
TarHealTony
12-10-08, 03:01 PM
2007:
Madeira (CHL tri-champ) beats Fenwick (GCL North Champ) 4-2 in the postseason. Madeira #2 vs. Fenwick #2.
Get outta the CHL thread!
As everyone is aware, in a one game adventure anything can happen. But at the beginning of every season I would think the pep talks given are about winning your league but better than than--winning the State. Looking back over the past 6 years one will find the following: Purcell 2003 Div 2 Champion; St. Xavier 2003 Div 1 Champion; Moeller Div 1 2004 Champion; Elder Div 1 2005 Champion; Badin Div 2 2005 2nd place, and Badin Div 3 2008 2nd place. That is 6 teams getting to the championship game--the goal of every team.
The CHL has zero.
In fact, the only other team from SW Ohio to make an appearance was Lakota West which won Div 1 in 2007.
It obviously takes talent, a bunch of luck, and at least 2 pitchers to make it to Columbus for the Big Show.
My original point, so strangley twisted here in comper land by a few, is now proven again.
Madeira has made it to Columbus three times in the past 9 years, winning state in 1999. A pretty solid accomplisment.
That same year that West won, Madeira lost 1-0 in the semifinals to the eventual state champs. They dominated their way to Columbus but forgot their bats in Cincinnati that one game.
....as I try to avoid public vs. private.....
Pea_Tear_Griffin
12-16-08, 01:07 PM
Tony youre not as cool as you think you are for making it seem like your league is better than ours. Each league is different and different people have different niches on different teams in different parts of the city. The leagues are different, if you havent gotten my drift. We'll stick to our thing, you stick to yours.
TarHealTony
12-18-08, 11:25 PM
Tony youre not as cool as you think you are for making it seem like your league is better than ours. Each league is different and different people have different niches on different teams in different parts of the city. The leagues are different, if you havent gotten my drift. We'll stick to our thing, you stick to yours.
Very true. Most teams have players who fill roles, or niches. The difference is that the big schools fill these niches with decent baseball players; the smaller schools tend to fill the role with student manager type folk. The bigger schools attract the better talent. Surround a stud or two with better talent and you have a baseball team. It works this way in the pro ranks as well as HS. When you finally understand that life isn't fair and talent is something which can be seen on the field as opposed to talked about on a computer you might be able to comprehend this basic fact.
Yes, bigger schools have more depth than smaller schools. They have more players to choose from. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
However, when comparing CHL and GCL schools of similar size, the matchup is pretty even. The top half of the league in the CHL doesn't have the "student manager" type playing, they're on the JV team as a junior and wearing the uniform senior year, if they aren't cut before that.
While the lower half of the league has some questionable players in lesser roles, the CHL is a very solid league when it comes to Cincinnati baseball, and any research you may or may not have done would speak to that.
Moeller, St. X, LaSalle, and Elder have overall better players than any school in the CHL, as they should be. I guarantee some of the guys in the CHL could make the squads at these schools and fight for jobs.
But you're right, talent is seen on the field, and it doesn't matter what field that is. If you can play, CHL or GCL, they will find you.
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