Hoban Baseball

[MAROON&GOLDBLOOD]

Trust and believe

that I was wondering if Hoban has hired a new baseball coach yet or are in the process hiring one? Is there any list of canidates that we know of. I have heard that there is a couple of gentlemen that are interested in the job but nothing for sure.

[BuckNut2006]

Hoban is still in the process. STVM did hire Anthony Boarman.

[MAROON&GOLDBLOOD]

TRUST AND BELIEVE

that is a good pick up for the Irish. Coach Boarman will do a good job there. Is there a list of potential coaches for the Hoban job?

[Hometeam]

I would have thought Hoban would have chosen a new coach by this time.

Conditioning starts soon.

[BuckNut2006]

TRUST AND BELIEVE

that is a good pick up for the Irish. Coach Boarman will do a good job there. Is there a list of potential coaches for the Hoban job?

The last time they advertised for a baseball coach, Hoban had 40+ applicants.

[Hometeam]

I thought there weren't that many applicants this time around.

[baseball818]

they already have a coach Justin Greenfelder a good friend of mine and a great layor hopefully he will ket hoban on the right track and get them winning

LETS GO JUSTIN AND CONGRATS ON GETTING THE JOB!!!!

[BuckNut2006]

Good luck to Justin...he will need every bit of it!

[MAROON&GOLDBLOOD]

TRUST AND BELIEVE

Good luck to Coach Justin.:thumb:

[Hometeam]

If some of the more influential parents were able to handpick this coach this time around, he'll be fine. If not, good luck to him.

[julioII]

No disrespect but.....who?

[INOITALL]

Does anyone no much about either of these guys?

[BuckNut2006]

If some of the more influential parents were able to handpick this coach this time around, he'll be fine. If not, good luck to him.

Truer words have never been spoken!

[itsa3]

they already have a coach Justin Greenfelder a good friend of mine and a great layor hopefully he will ket hoban on the right track and get them winning

LETS GO JUSTIN AND CONGRATS ON GETTING THE JOB!!!!

Sounds like STSM and Hoban got it right this time. Based upon what I had heard from baseball people both schools were going the wrong direction fast. Both schools I'm sure will be excited about a new beginning. Time to move on for both schools.

[Hometeam]

Sounds like STSM and Hoban got it right this time. Based upon what I had heard from baseball people both schools were going the wrong direction fast. Both schools I'm sure will be excited about a new beginning. Time to move on for both schools.

What? Wrong direction?

[macworld]

Hoban is still looking. The job was offered but he was unable to clear the needed time off with his employer

[BuckNut2006]

Sounds like STSM and Hoban got it right this time. Based upon what I had heard from baseball people both schools were going the wrong direction fast. Both schools I'm sure will be excited about a new beginning. Time to move on for both schools.

The two situations are not exctly the same.

Hoban: ran off two coaches, and the second was run off only after a single season.

STVM: The coach was there for 4 or 5 yrs, and was not getting the job done. He did have a good team 3 yrs ago. And they did play Walsh well.

[baseballfan123]

Well that means Hobans down to just 1-2 other apps. not many want this job until a couple parents disappear.:rolleyes:

[DR.PITCH]

How about this time at Hoban they hire somebody with high school head coaching experience who might have had to deal with parents before? If that has been the problem in the past, how will hiring a young inexperienced coach solve what has been talked about in previous posts? Afterall, it is now Nov. and still no staff in place for the '09 season.:shrug:

[PeterGammons]

How is the new coach going to effect Hoban's playoff run?

[Hometeam]

How about this time at Hoban they hire somebody with high school head coaching experience who might have had to deal with parents before? If that has been the problem in the past, how will hiring a young inexperienced coach solve what has been talked about in previous posts? Afterall, it is now Nov. and still no staff in place for the '09 season.:shrug:

After the way Hoban treated the previous 2 coaches, I don't know how many high school head coaches would really WANT this job.

[BuckNut2006]

How about this time at Hoban they hire somebody with high school head coaching experience who might have had to deal with parents before? If that has been the problem in the past, how will hiring a young inexperienced coach solve what has been talked about in previous posts? Afterall, it is now Nov. and still no staff in place for the '09 season.:shrug:

The HC was doing agood job...until the administration stopped backing the coach and instead threw their support behind the parents.

[longhorn61]

Hoban has a coach, they just haven't annouced it yet.

[643YerOut]

When will they announce? It is getting pretty late for anyone trying to put together a staff.

Are they talking to anyone on last year's staff? Maybe a JV or Freshman coach? Obviously there was a communication problem, but this is their third coach in three years. You really need to get it right this time; not just another one or two year coach. At least someone with the staff would know the kids - or is it a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water?

[nooch16]

How about this time at Hoban they hire somebody with high school head coaching experience who might have had to deal with parents before? If that has been the problem in the past, how will hiring a young inexperienced coach solve what has been talked about in previous posts? Afterall, it is now Nov. and still no staff in place for the '09 season.:shrug:

LOL on that one. Not even the most experienced coach can deal with parents if they have no backing from the admin of the school! Until the AD, principal and "brother" have any spine and back their coach, whoeverf it will be, there will always be parents influencing. But, these parents are the ones who pay their salaries:rolleyes: From what I've heard, Hoban was down to 2 former/current HC's from other schools. Both of whom were # 2 and # 3 last year before they hired Scott. They were in decision about these two until a new name came up. An asst coach from Jackson HS names came up. Now I do not know anything about this coach, and if hes coaching at Jackson Im sure hes a good coach because they ALWAYS have a good program, but the amusing thing to me is that (from what ive heard) he runs a fall/indoors clinic and that 2 of the Hoban players go to him for instruction. Alot of teamates go to the same baseball instructors, but what really takes the cake here is that this guy never applied last year (before 2008) and now his names all of the sudden at the top of the list! Not saying at all that he is a bad coach, just saying its funny how he gets put into the lead because of one influential parent, the same parent who ran the last coach out. haha, i wish him the best of luck. Im sure he will is a good coach and shjows hes dedicated to the game/players (since he runs his own clinic). But to me it sounds exactly like the guy they just fired!:shrug:

Where is Justin Greenfeld (spelling) from? IS he the one from Jackson ive heard about?

[BuckNut2006]

LOL on that one. Not even the most experienced coach can deal with parents if they have no backing from the admin of the school! Until the AD, principal and "brother" have any spine and back their coach, whoeverf it will be, there will always be parents influencing. But, these parents are the ones who pay their salaries:rolleyes: From what I've heard, Hoban was down to 2 former/current HC's from other schools. Both of whom were # 2 and # 3 last year before they hired Scott. They were in decision about these two until a new name came up. An asst coach from Jackson HS names came up. Now I do not know anything about this coach, and if hes coaching at Jackson Im sure hes a good coach because they ALWAYS have a good program, but the amusing thing to me is that (from what ive heard) he runs a fall/indoors clinic and that 2 of the Hoban players go to him for instruction. Alot of teamates go to the same baseball instructors, but what really takes the cake here is that this guy never applied last year (before 2008) and now his names all of the sudden at the top of the list! Not saying at all that he is a bad coach, just saying its funny how he gets put into the lead because of one influential parent, the same parent who ran the last coach out. haha, i wish him the best of luck. Im sure he will is a good coach and shjows hes dedicated to the game/players (since he runs his own clinic). But to me it sounds exactly like the guy they just fired!:shrug:

Where is Justin Greenfeld (spelling) from? IS he the one from Jackson ive heard about?


Isn't there a Jackson transfer athlete, a soph, who is an outstanding track sprinter? But Jackson would not sign-off on his transfer, forcing him to sit out football and track this year at Hoban?

DB04...I vaguely remember someone posting this..you? Can't remeber...but it appears Hoban has a good line on kids from Jackson area.

[643YerOut]

Justin Greenfeld coached at Jackson. Apparently he couldn't take the job due to time constraints.

I agree with nooch, you have to have the backing from the administration, or you're toast.

I heard that there are a couple of players, good ones, that are so fed up they may not play next year. When the kids are fed up with the soap opera, it must be bad.

In my situation, the baseball program will count, but I have a couple years before I have to decide (on a school for my kid). I know Hoban has good academics, but their Ath. Dept. is a mess. Geez, this is not that difficult. What will happen when Orsini retires?

Incidentally, I heard Scott got hired at Nordonia. Congrats to him. He knew his baseball. Oh, and I bet he already has had his first meetings.

[BuckNut2006]

Justin Greenfeld coached at Jackson. Apparently he couldn't take the job due to time constraints.

I agree with nooch, you have to have the backing from the administration, or you're toast.

I heard that there are a couple of players, good ones, that are so fed up they may not play next year. When the kids are fed up with the soap opera, it must be bad.

In my situation, the baseball program will count, but I have a couple years before I have to decide (on a school for my kid). I know Hoban has good academics, but their Ath. Dept. is a mess. Geez, this is not that difficult. What will happen when Orsini retires?

Incidentally, I heard Scott got hired at Nordonia. Congrats to him. He knew his baseball. Oh, and I bet he already has had his first meetings.

643yerout...If Hoban isn't a good fit for your child...hopefully you will consider STVM! Good, positive academic as well as athletic environment.

[643YerOut]

Bucknut, I agree that St. V has a good program. Underscore the term program. Their choice for coach was good on a number of levels, not the least of which, he is from inside and knows the kids. It will cut down on transition time.

It's a shame they are cutting the whole staff though. Some may take issue with the head coach, but they only gave him a year. That aside, I heard that at least one of the coaches on last year's staff was interested in the job, but apparently they won't consider anyone on last year's staff. Hoban went 15-10 playing a tough schedule and they won't even talk to a guy that wants the job? That's a shame.

[mstance67]

As mentioned in an above post, the joke is on Hoban. Scott Koenig was hired by his alma mater, Nordonia, as Varsity Baseball Coach in late October.I am sure he will do well there and put the Hoban "debacle" behind him.

[baseballfan123]

Norch It sounds like Mr Mcmillions is finally hand picking the new coach for his younger boys at Hoban. Good luck to this new Coach!!!!!:eek:

[diamondrules08]

Some posters aren't doing anything positive to help the Hoban baseball players left in the program with all their negative posts. If a poster was truly in it for the kids he would just move forward and let go of the past so that Hoban can try to move forward with its program. The negative posts aren't helping matters any. Those who supported the coaching staff when they were first let go are now having second thoughts. Good Luck to Coach Koenig in Nordonia.

[Hometeam]

Some posters aren't doing anything positive to help the Hoban baseball players left in the program with all their negative posts. If a poster was truly in it for the kids he would just move forward and let go of the past so that Hoban can try to move forward with its program. The negative posts aren't helping matters any. Those who supported the coaching staff when they were first let go are now having second thoughts. Good Luck to Coach Koenig in Nordonia.

None of these posts are negative towards the players still left at Hoban.

It's simply that many of us either knew these coaches (who were let go) personally or we knew of their integrity through word-of-mouth, and it was surprising and sad to hear they were dismissed the way they were. It really didn't show a lot of respect towards them. It also seemed like certain parents were given WAY too much say so in this particular situation which doesn't bode well for the other parents involved in the baseball program.

[baseballfan234]

Hoban does have many multi-sport athletes that have a harder time training year round for baseball, however there are many players at Hoban that just think they can show up in February, having done nothing in the offseason to prepare for their baseball season and get to play. Some don't even play summer ball. That mindset needs to change. Hopefully they will find a coach that understands that the student in student-athlete does come first, but the athlete needs to be a part of the program too.

[BuckNut2006]

Hoban does have many multi-sport athletes that have a harder time training year round for baseball, however there are many players at Hoban that just think they can show up in February, having done nothing in the offseason to prepare for their baseball season and get to play. Some don't even play summer ball. That mindset needs to change. Hopefully they will find a coach that understands that the student in student-athlete does come first, but the athlete needs to be a part of the program too.

Yes and no.

Some, in fact most of the "star" senior baseball players from last yrs team were indeed "baseball only" athletes.

[jacmckvik]

I was told this weekend that Hoover Varsity Assistant Jim Gensley resigned at the end of last year.I know he was there for at least 15 years.One of the true old school blue collar coaches around.One of the best and most respected Coaches in the Federal League. Some one should try to get this guy.I know he lives in North Canton because he did all their scheduling for the summer programs,13-14 on up.Iknow his # is listed because I had to work with him sometimes in the GABF. Hoban would do well to get this guy. Might take a little arm twisting,but he loves baseball,and coaching at the high school level. Flat out winner!

[643YerOut]

I don't understand why Hoban is going after people that didn't apply for the job. It is a sign of desperation. It is not like they had the job posted for only a couple days, they gave it months. From what I heard, less than a dozen resumes were submitted. I know that they didn't interview them all, and may not have even interviewed any of them. They have continued to seek out others that showed no interest in the job when it was posted. To me this is cause for concern. They should should at least talk to the ones that want the job first. If they are not happy with the pool of applicants after interviewing all of them, then maybe it's time to look in the mirror and ask why they are not attracting interest.

In talking to some of the baseball people in the area, there are a couple of good people that applied...Perhaps it's worth the effort to at least interview them? It is November after all.

[nooch16]

Today I learned that Hoban has now asked Jim Deitsel to come back and meet with them. Jim was an assistant last year at Hoban and was ther first to apply when Scott was fired. They did not show any interest in Jim at that time but now that they can not find anyone to coach, they are making call backs to people who they originally turned down! lmao! Kinda like asking the hottest girl in school to prom, and she saying nope she has a date, then 2 days before the prom she calls saying she wants to go......Will Hoban ever learn? Will they ever be the same? Funny thing is, IF they hire Jim (which I have no bad things at all to say, hes a great guy and good coach), what is the difference from him and Scott? Same staff, different guy to blame. Itrs not like they are just bringing a whole new staff and philosophy to the program. They are just doing anything they can to get someone in there. And if they hire Jim, this will show that one person had to do with the firing.

[DR.PITCH]

Does not seem real sensible to have a guy from the staff take over but then not much that has been talked about has seemed real sensible from the very beginning. Is this the latest directive from "Dad" or a revelation from the AD?
Is being last year's assistant the best qualification from any of the applicants?:shrug:

[643YerOut]

I know Jim Diestel, and he does know baseball. I had heard he applied, but assumed they would not even entertain the idea of hiring him. He played at Division I level and knows what it takes to get there. He also had a good relationship with many of the parents. I don't know if they will give him a chance or not, but he would be a good choice IF they want to build a PROGRAM. He's a team guy, and is one of the good baseball people in the area. He has also spoken positively about Hoban, both as a school and regarding their baseball program, despite essentially being fired. Hoban just might have stumbled across something good here. The fact that he was interested in the job and knows the kids are definitely positives.

[baseballfan234]

where has Diestel coached at in the past besides at Hoban last year? Doesn't he have a softball background? Where did he play D1 baseball at?

[nooch16]

I cant say whether or not he has played D1. I will say he is GREAT with the kids as he coached Freshman and Varsity last year with Hoban. The younger kids really liked him. As for softball, I do know he has a softball background and that he has coached that before. Just funny how Hoban thinks in their eyes that they have this great program compared to the Walsh's, Tallmadges and St.V for that matter, but they cant find a big name coach as soon as the position comes open. Last year 41 applicants!! Thats unheard of....they make Scott their choice of 41 guys!! and He gets one year! lol....EVERYONE in this area has heard of this situation. I know that Hoban asked Walsh's assistant to be the head coach and he turned them down. Thjis is what the program has done....they have turned away 41 applicants to get the leftovers....

[643YerOut]

Jim coached his daughters softball teams over the years. Other than that, his background is in baseball. He may not have varsity HC experience, but at this point Hoban will not attact someone that does. His work with last year's team should be considered, even given the situation with Scott.

Does anyone know if they interviewed anyone else?

[julioII]

yes they did.

[baseballfan123]

McCracken might be a pick. He has some baseball clinics and his son played football with me. He is a great guy and has a good mentality.

This might be a great pick!

Are you kidding me, ask Akron North about him... He's as blue collar as they come. Scot for McCraken now I know the A.D. doesn't know what he is doing!!!!!!! Oops sorry I'm being so pessmistic!!!!:shrug:

[baseballfan234]

MacCracken - you cannot be serious.....he DEFINITELY would not put Hoban on the right track..he didn't actually interview for the job, did he? What in the world is going on at Hoban? MacCracken would be a hire of desperation.

[diamondrules08]

doesn't make sense to consider the freshman coach from last year since he was one of scotts guys. it appears the AD has come full circle and is back to where he started.

[Hometeam]

Maybe Hoban people are FINALLY starting to wake up to the realization that "one of Scott's guys" is actually a pretty darn good choice for Hoban and their baseball program since Scott and his assistants were good coaches of integrity to begin with.

[baseballfan234]

how could maccracken be the pick? why was he even interviewed? hope the admin checks at schools where he has coached previously to find out why he stopped coaching there.

[BuckNut2006]

Until the school gets an AD with experiance and credibility nothing is going to change. Every qualified coach in the area has heard horror stories about working for him. Why would anyone want to be put in a job where your "boss" knows nothing? Successful programs start at the top. It is no coincidance that a solid AD breeds success. There is no need to list the successful programs and name their ADs. We all know who they are. Therefore the picking is slim and bringing in another baseball coach with no experiance is a recipe for failure.....again.

Isn't he in law school? Also hear his wife is a intern or resident at one of the hospitals. No one would blame him for making his law career or his wife's med career his #1 priority. But all the same, he does have a job to do.

[BuckNut2006]

I cant say whether or not he has played D1. I will say he is GREAT with the kids as he coached Freshman and Varsity last year with Hoban. The younger kids really liked him. As for softball, I do know he has a softball background and that he has coached that before. Just funny how Hoban thinks in their eyes that they have this great program compared to the Walsh's, Tallmadges and St.V for that matter, but they cant find a big name coach as soon as the position comes open. Last year 41 applicants!! Thats unheard of....they make Scott their choice of 41 guys!! and He gets one year! lol....EVERYONE in this area has heard of this situation. I know that Hoban asked Walsh's assistant to be the head coach and he turned them down. Thjis is what the program has done....they have turned away 41 applicants to get the leftovers....

You mentioned STVM. The school and players are excited about Anthony Boarman taking the helm. STVM's program is better than what most people think...however it is not an elite program such as Walsh's or Talmadge's. Although Hoban shellacked them last year, over the past 4 yrs STVM has managed to beat Walsh a few times and either upset or hold their own vs other good teams. They have a friggin BRUTAL schedule, playing the likes of Walsh, St E, St I, Hoban .

Good luck to Hoban's search for a HC. The good news, it will NOT be any worse than it was last year!:eek:

[baseballfan123]

how could maccracken be the pick? why was he even interviewed? hope the admin checks at schools where he has coached previously to find out why he stopped coaching there.
I couldn't agree more!!!!
I can't believe he is even being considered it's nuts! I hope this is just a rumor for the sake of the boys on the Team.... But I do know one Father that it would be sweet justice to see what he says about this Coach, after the seasons over.:rolleyes:

[baseballfan234]

What's the word out there about Hoban getting a baseball coach? It's been quiet here the past few days. Think one will be named before 2009? What's the word on the street?

[DR.PITCH]

Maybe the AD is too busy with the football playoffs to worry about baseball.
After all, it's only the middle of November and snow is on the ground. What's the big rush?

[diamondrules08]

Although hobans program has not succeed the last couple of years they have had some great baseball players to go through that program. It's hard to belive with there 2007 08 and 09 class that they have not put together a state championship run. Maybe its about time they have a coach to put tgat team together. I'm a Hoban allum myself and I have been reading a lot of doubters for the team this year. In my personal opinion I think Hoban has a better chance of winning states this year then last year. There lead by maybe the best baseball player in the state in Casey Wilson with a lot of support. This may be there year again they have the talent or at least a superstar know it's just time they find a coach that can lead them to it.


Well, I would agree that Hoban had the talent to make a state championship run last year. But talent alone isn't enough. The talent had to be molded into a true "team". State caliber teams practice and play as a team, they don't play as individuals, worried about their individual stats. Hoban needs to find a coach that can develop a true team mentality. CW is a decent player, but lets not get carried away with adjectives like "best" and "superstar. This year will have to be a rebuilding year, afterall didn't Hoban graduate a dozen seniors? Thus the urgency in finding a coach asap.

[itsa3]

Well, I would agree that Hoban had the talent to make a state championship run last year. But talent alone isn't enough. The talent had to be molded into a true "team". State caliber teams practice and play as a team, they don't play as individuals, worried about their individual stats. Hoban needs to find a coach that can develop a true team mentality. CW is a decent player, but lets not get carried away with adjectives like "best" and "superstar. This year will have to be a rebuilding year, afterall didn't Hoban graduate a dozen seniors? Thus the urgency in finding a coach asap.

Every school goes through times that are less than desirable. The better teams of today were not always the better teams. Yes, their program took a big step backwards with last year's hiring despite having a very talented team but Hoban certainly is not the first school to go through this. This year will be a re-building year, most schools do go through it. It's not a knock on the team, the school or the players, it's just reality.

[meeces2pieces]

Maybe the AD is too busy with the football playoffs to worry about baseball.
After all, it's only the middle of November and snow is on the ground. What's the big rush?

There's no candidates left to hire !! The good ones have already taken other posititions.

[meeces2pieces]

You mentioned STVM. The school and players are excited about Anthony Boarman taking the helm. STVM's program is better than what most people think...however it is not an elite program such as Walsh's or Talmadge's. Although Hoban shellacked them last year, over the past 4 yrs STVM has managed to beat Walsh a few times and either upset or hold their own vs other good teams. They have a friggin BRUTAL schedule, playing the likes of Walsh, St E, St I, Hoban .

Good luck to Hoban's search for a HC. The good news, it will NOT be any worse than it was last year!:eek:

Good luck STVM!! Beat Hoban.

[CVCAroyals]

I have heard Brownlee was named the coach at Hoban. Can anyone confirm this?

[SUMUMP]

I have heard Brownlee was named the coach at Hoban. Can anyone confirm this?

Brownlee and McMullett? Oh, thats special! I'm giving up High School ball.

[4hitter]

I believe that Brownlee knows his stuff about baseball. He has coached and taught baseball for years and years. He also played at a high level. What do people want in a coach? They got rid of a good coach and hired another only to fire him as well. Hoban John Sarver does not want to come back! He is happy at his alma mater.

Is this true or are people fishing because I have not heard this at all?

[julioII]

He has not and will not be hired.

[baseballfan234]

Not a matter of Brownlee being hired or not. Hoban lost their chance. He pulled his name from consideration for the position. Too bad for Hoban. He would have been the right person to turn the program around.

[White Lion]

Bring Teddy Back!

[BuckNut2006]

Not a matter of Brownlee being hired or not. Hoban lost their chance. He pulled his name from consideration for the position. Too bad for Hoban. He would have been the right person to turn the program around.

Brownlee as Hoban's HC? He is a good baseball guy, in fact he has obtained guru status. But schools who hire coaches who's name is bigger than the school usually regrets it. No knock on Brownlee.

[643YerOut]

It sounds like Hoban is not real interested in building a program, but rather, just giving it a go from year to year. What a shame at a school full of talented athletes and all-around good kids. It is now December and there is still no head coach and grumblings that parents are taking over, etc. At this point, this season will rest on the leadership of the seniors in organizing workouts on their own.

I wish them all the best, but am discouraged that the administration has passed by the opportunity to overcome what they saw as a "problem" in Scott with a timely decision and strong support for the next head coach. Instead, they have dragged their feet, alienated the best coaches in the area, and given many parents the impression that they are unable to make sound program and personnel decisions. Ultimately, the kids are losing out...

[julioII]

It doesnt matter if the application was withdrawn or not. he was not going to be hired.

[nooch16]

Nobody in this area will deny the fact that Brownlee is a very smart baseball man and can teach the game as well as anyone. But knowing him like I do and Im sure others know as well that he is a lil bit of a head case since his name has become very well known. Knowing first hand what the parents of hoban say and do, Brownlee will be booted within the first month. If they thought Scott was a dictator and bad fit for the job, they wouldnt even kno whow to handle Brownlee. Not saying he couldnt coach those kids.....saying the parents couldnt handle him there!

Before you know it, January 4th will be here and students will be returning from winter break and they will in-turn have no coaching staff assembled. The fact of the matter is this years seniors are a VERY well manored group of students not to mention very talented! Its a shame these kids have had 3 different coaches in the past 3 years! I feel really bad for the juniors of hoban. Most of those guys are trying year in and year out to make varsity ball and how the heck can they do that with 3 NEW coaches each of their high school years!

Hoban thinks they are one of the elite programs around here and compete with the big boys....well sadly, those guys have been working out year round with their coaches and teamates.....hobans kids, well they just have to rely on themselves, because their administration is 100% at fault here! They were so set on firing scott, they had no idea what they were going to do next!

[bigstik918]

nooch, thanks for the kind words but let me try to clear something up that is very important to me at least. please check with players and parents who have played on teams that i have personally coached in lets just say the last 5 years.

you say dictatorship, i say holding players and parents accountable for their actions!

i truly believe that athletes want strong leadership, they want high level coaching....and i think they really want to be held accountable for their actions both on and off the field. yea sometimes the kids can be knuckleheads but who wasnt in their youth. heck, sometimes i am still a knucklehead but i am trying to lead a christian life more and more each day of my life as the sun is setting on my career! but at least i am out there trying each and every day to be a better man and mentor.

parents over the years have had problems with me because i am painfully honest about their childs' abilities (or lack of ability) to compete at the highest levels of play. as a summer coach i am charged with preparing players to paly college ball and beyond. sometimes this ruffles feathers but it is not because i dont care obout that young man or his parents.

because of the wisdom that comes with growing older, i have calmed down much over the years.... and i doubt very seriously if i "would get run in the first month".....in fact i think i would have been coaching the hoban team to prominence for the next decade or so if given the chance (and ther lord let me stick around long enough).

[nooch16]

I agree with you on alot of points. First off the honesty portion...This is something I know you bring to the table and that frankly these parents do NOT want to hear (atleast most of them). Last year there were many parents who would call scott and ask why his/her son is not on varsity/jv etc. These people are paying good money to have their child go to a good school, they think that this means play sports even though they may not be good enough for certain spots! As far as dictatorship, It wasnt nessasrily a mean/bad comment, was more directed that you are going to do things your way and the kids must obey the rules or its the highway for them. I am that way in a sense too. If hoban picked me as a head coach, I would want things done my way....but refering to the situation at hand, these parents (NOT all of them but many) have to have their hand in everything over there and when I refered to you getting ran off in the first month, you would see that EVERYDAY they would call you to complain, call the administration, for every little thing. And because the admin has no backing of their baseball coaches, the parents would soon have you 1 year n done! They could bring in Joe Torre or Joe Shmo, either way the parents would win over the administration....and until they bring in an AD with backbone who is not a puppet of the staff, it will continue to be this way


Like I tried to say before...your qualifications are more than enough to show you can coach this team but whether or not they would have you run off in a year is another story...

[4hitter]

Does it really hurt Hoban to not have a coach yet this late in the year? If the AD has already set up a schedule for the team then probably not as bad as everyone thinks. I believe this time of the year is up to the players to want to get better. Right now the good players are working out every day, hitting at one of the hitting academies around the area, and throwing on the side as well. Not having a coach now only hurts if the schedule is not completed, and in our hearts as coaches because we know that this place could be a gold mine of a place to coach. Say they hire over break or within the first 2 weeks being back from break. If everything was handled by the AD then there can still be a smooth transition by the coach by setting up a 5 or 6 week pre-season lifting and conditioning schedule (not supervised, but ran by the seniors). They could be prepared as any other athlete. Like I said the good athletes made a committment a long time ago and do not have to be pushed to excell. The other players do the same as they always do and show up on the first day that we are allowed to coach and ask us to get them into baseball shape.
As for who they hire, would I love to coach there, yes! I do not currently have the time to coach but know that this could be a great position as long as rules are set forth in the begining of the year (like all teams to with parents and players).

[Balanced]

Yes it does hurt. Maybe not today because yes they can take care of business now while they continue the search but this is decision time for 8th graders (the future of your program). Not having a coach in place now will likely affect some decisions.

[4hitter]

is that Hoban recruits? I thought that was against all rules. Most students that are going to go to Hoban go because of the education or because their parents want them to go to a private school. I would go out on a limb and say that the majority of students at Hoban are not athletes. In the other case.... Everyone knows that there is going to be baseball at Hoban so what is the difference. Like I said the season will still go on (it may be a little more hectic for the coach in the begining getting everything set up). If you are a supporter of Hoban or have a child playing on the team then you should contact the AD and push the status of the new coach. It seems like in the past no one had a problem chiming in. I agree that it is not the best practice to hire someone so late but, if they do it soon all will still be ok.

If the case is right about your point of view then Hoban will lose some 8th graders to where Walsh, St. V? Walsh would have already contacted those 8th graders if they wanted them and St. V just hired there coach not too long ago. Good luck!

[Balanced]

Don't fool youself. There is a huge difference to kid's / parents who value sports (in this case baseball) as one component of their decision making process.

And yes most students at any school are non athletes but we are talking Hoban baseball in this thread right?

And finally yes, Hoban does recruit....within the guidelines I am sure - just like every other private school does.

[BuckNut2006]

Don't fool youself. There is a huge difference to kid's / parents who value sports (in this case baseball) as one component of their decision making process.

And yes most students at any school are non athletes but we are talking Hoban baseball in this thread right?

And finally yes, Hoban does recruit....within the guidelines I am sure - just like every other private school does.

Key wording in your post "one component of their decision making".

Not sure about Walsh or STVM, but I do believe Hoban's brochure states 70% of their enrollment plays sports. Makes sense. They are a soon to be D3 football school, yet offers just about every sport, including hockey, gymnastics, swimming, lacrosse and boys volleyball. That equates to a good number of kids playing sports.

These privates are intensley competetive for 8th graders. Nothing is left to chance and no stone is left unturned.

[Balanced]

Key wording in your post "one component of their decision making".

Not sure about Walsh or STVM, but I do believe Hoban's brochure states 70% of their enrollment plays sports. Makes sense. They are a soon to be D3 football school, yet offers just about every sport, including hockey, gymnastics, swimming, lacrosse and boys volleyball. That equates to a good number of kids playing sports.

These privates are intensley competetive for 8th graders. Nothing is left to chance and no stone is left unturned.

....and that's why it is important to have your staff in place during this time of year.

For the sake of existing players AND the future of their program, Hoban needs to get that buttoned up very soon.

[4hitter]

I never once said that kids playing sports was a bad thing. I said that i thought that there were more non athletes that athletes, I f I was wrong then I am sorry. The whole point is that in this whole article I have read about parents being too involved but now when there is no coach the parents seem to be quiet! Why is this? If the parents are so important to the school then why not have a board that includes a few parents when hiring a coach. So if it is a good hire they can gloat and if it is a bad hire they can take some of the blame. I just don't see how the involvement from these parents has stopped.
As for the 8 graders coming to Hoban, that is the schools problem for losing possible students because of lack of a hiring of a coach. Put that one on the school administration. I have always liked Hoban and almost attended Hoban myself. If people are so worried about the future of the school and program then there would be lines of concerned parents outside the schools office. If they have been pushing the office to make a decision then there could be another problem (which I find hard to believe), they do not have any applicants for the job. You tell me

[Balanced]

That's because it is easier to bxtch and tear things down versus getting involved in a positive way and being part of the solution. From the sounds of things, it sounds like parents are too close to the process here. And let me make it clear that I do not think this is unigue to Hoban. It's happeneing way to much at way too many schools these days.

[Hometeam]

That's because it is easier to bxtch and tear things down versus getting involved in a positive way and being part of the solution. From the sounds of things, it sounds like parents are too close to the process here. And let me make it clear that I do not think this is unigue to Hoban. It's happeneing way to much at way too many schools these days.

I agree. I think parents should NEVER be involved in the decision-making process for selecting coaches, etc. especially if their kid is involved with that particular sport. You frequently see the alpha dads (and moms) that seem overinvolved with the coaches and the program.

I also don't think parents should EVER be allowed to go in and out of the dugouts, sit in the crow's nest, etc. But it seems to work for them - the parents who make themselves known to the coaches seem to get more perks for their kids. Their kids seem to get invited to more showcases, etc. I don't think it's right, but I blame the coaches for allowing this to happen in the first place. The coaches need to keep the parents at arm's length - ALL parents.

[diamondman]

I agree with you on alot of points. First off the honesty portion...This is something I know you bring to the table and that frankly these parents do NOT want to hear (atleast most of them). Last year there were many parents who would call scott and ask why his/her son is not on varsity/jv etc. These people are paying good money to have their child go to a good school, they think that this means play sports even though they may not be good enough for certain spots! As far as dictatorship, It wasnt nessasrily a mean/bad comment, was more directed that you are going to do things your way and the kids must obey the rules or its the highway for them. I am that way in a sense too. If hoban picked me as a head coach, I would want things done my way....but refering to the situation at hand, these parents (NOT all of them but many) have to have their hand in everything over there and when I refered to you getting ran off in the first month, you would see that EVERYDAY they would call you to complain, call the administration, for every little thing. And because the admin has no backing of their baseball coaches, the parents would soon have you 1 year n done! They could bring in Joe Torre or Joe Shmo, either way the parents would win over the administration....and until they bring in an AD with backbone who is not a puppet of the staff, it will continue to be this way


Like I tried to say before...your qualifications are more than enough to show you can coach this team but whether or not they would have you run off in a year is another story...

Hey Nooch 16 you are right on with your post. Brownlee actually is the type of coach the school needs. A coach who will be honest to players about their ability, yet still encouraging. Someone who will allow players to earn their playing time and play the players best suited to compete at the varsity level, not only because of their ability, but because of their hard work and determination to improve, which makes a whole team better. A coach who may listen to a parents/players concerns, but not allow their input to affect any of his decisions regarding playing time and/or game type situations, because he is a true leader. A coach who expects the most out of his players, and pushes them hard because he actually cares about their success both on and off the field.

If Brownlee has withdrawn his name and is no longer a candidate for consideration, Hoban lost out on a great opportunity. Coach Orsini and Coach TK Griffith are top notch coaches. Baseball should not have to be the step-sister sport at Hoban. It deserves the same type of coach. A coach who will lead the baseball program to be a standout program in Summit County.

For Hoban to get a top notch coach, they will have to commit to standing behind their coach 100%. The parents need to stay out. Let the kids earn their playing time on the field, not in the AD's office. Please understand that this post is not a knock on the prior years coaching staff. It is quite evident that they did not have the support of the administration.

With economic conditions as they are and the academic programs at the three Catholic schools in the area being close to equal, parents actually may also take into consideration their views and the word on the street about a schools athletic programs, especially if their child is an athlete. Parents want the most "bang" for their buck. 8th graders in Catholic day schools will be making their high school selections by mid-January. The Hoban Administration needs to move quickly to name a quality coach and put this issue to rest.

[ohiotravelbaseball]

Mark Thomas was offered the job at Hoban a couple of weeks ago but he turned it down because the amount of money offered was very limited, as all baseball programs are.

I sure the Admin. at Hoban is concerned with this situation and they are working hard to get a good person in there.

[julioII]

The baseball stipend at Hoban is very respectable and im sure it falls in line with other schools in the area.

[BuckNut2006]

The baseball stipend at Hoban is very respectable and im sure it falls in line with other schools in the area.


"Respectable" is a loose term. People who coach "non-revenue" producing sports do not do it for the money. After all said and done, these coaches are working for less than minimum wage. In fact many share their wages with their assistant coaches and pay for items not covered under the school's budget.

Highly doubt money was the reason why the one applicant turned down the position.

[julioII]

That was my point.

[BuckNut2006]

That was my point.


Yes...we agree. Actually responding to the prior poster

[DR.PITCH]

In most cases, a person would be giving up more money (salary) by leaving their job at 2:00 to go coach than they would make up by being paid to coach.
That would be hard to do now given the economics of the time. If it is this difficult to find a HC, how hard will it be to find a qualified assistant that would be willing to work for that pay?:shrug:

[bsblfan]

Julio....You seem to think you have all the answers....If you know so much about HHS, who are they going to hire?

[bigstik918]

give us the scoop. as a summit county baseball man for his entire life i look at the situation the hoban administration continues to put itself into. it truly is fascinating. i am willing , able, qualified and ready to go to work....but someone on the hill has blocked my ability to turn that program around. something fishy?

[4hitter]

Who are they going to hire? Everyone who coaches high school baseball does it for the love of the game not the paycheck. My last time coaching i probably made maybe 25 cents an hour or less. Why would they block Coach Brownlee or anyone who is qualified as of now? C'mon julio are the Knights pulling out a wildcard? Good luck guys, give me a year and I will be throwing my name in the coaching hats as well!

[Hometeam]

Hopefully Hoban hires a coach who has NO ties to ANY of the Hoban parents or players. They need someone who will coach fairly and without any partiality. The last thing they need is a coach who will be a "parental puppet". This coach should make his decisions based on talent rather than name or hype.

[baseballfan234]

Hometeam -

a coach with "no ties" to any parents/players at any school just isn't possible these days. Although it sure sounds good in a perfect world. Having said that, a Brownlee type of coach may be just what Hoban needs. Looking at the Hoban schedule this year, their first game is against Walsh. If they think they can compete with the big boys, they better find a "big" coach to help take the program to the next level.

[Hometeam]

I disagree. I'm sure Hoban has some applicants who don't give lessons, who aren't involved with the parents or players from Hoban, etc.

Sure, it would be great for the players (and parents) who already are familiar with this coach, but what about the other players (and their parents) who aren't? A coach can say he'll be objective, etc. but there's the "human factor" - when a coach already has established a rapport with one particular player and his parents, he'll tend to possibly promote that player over another.

I would think the majority of the Hoban parents and players would want a coach who isn't connected to other certain parents or players.

[bigstik918]

and so does every single teacher. its called human nature. i have watched the highest profile high school coaches in summit county coach over the past 20 years or so (but lets just keep it to the past 10 years to keep it fairly current) and these high profile coaches make decisions that someone who has more than "casual" knowledge of the personnel on those teams would question playing time issues. that's the nature of sports, for all of us to make opinions as if we were the coaches. but the coach has the right to make whatever playing time decisions he wants to make. i would suggest that the hoban administration may have done their due diligence and found out that i am going to be fair with every single kid, give him every chance to succeed through training, practice, recommendations for summer travel baseball decisions....but that i was going to play the best players despite any parental pressures that may come their way. total speculation on my part but if they checked my history that is what they would find..... impartial, fair, and honest. funny thing is, if the coach communicates all these issues with the young men on the team, they (the players) would understand the fair and balanced pecking order of playing time....it's always going to be the parents who do not see it that way. that is why right now no other guy in summit county in his right mind would take that job on the hill.

concerning obtaining high school coaches who are at high profile baseball programs and NOT doing training....best of luck! times have changed over the past 10 years and there will most likely always be people who think that it is a conflict of interest if a prospective coach is doing training in the winter or heading up a high profile summer program. those opinions will all depend on the parental influence and backers at each school (not just the private schools). what i have seen and heard over the years is almost unbelievable in how much boosters have an influence over decisions (not just a hoban thing). as long as not a single OHSAA rule is not broken what difference does it make? it doesn't unless some parent is worried that their child will not be in good "favor" with a particular coach.

but if that was(is) a concern of the hoban administration concerning my hire, all they have to do is ask around and they will find out one thing....i am going to give every kid a chance and if they are not better than someone else at a particular position, they better get better, stronger, faster, etc. or the best player will play. no politics on my end....and believe me i have my favorites too! but my favorites better be able to play!

[wiseham20]

This post has been going since mid-october, since then we've elected a president, ate too much turkey and lost our 401Ks. Why would Hoban balk at hiring a coach with the credentials of Brownlee??? I know people from Alliance, Dover, Malvern ... that would drive 60 miles or more and pay a small ransom to have their kids instructed at his academy. The students that go to Hoban are there to prepare for college, and with all of Brownlee's connections and reputation for producing quality ball players it should be a no brainer. If Hoban wants to be at the level of the Walshes and Tallmagdes here is their opportunity. The AD needs to put and end to this NOW, higher Brownlee and get the kids in the weight room and gym. Good luck knights!!!!

[643YerOut]

Wow.

[diamondrules08]

Mark Thomas was offered the job at Hoban a couple of weeks ago but he turned it down because the amount of money offered was very limited, as all baseball programs are.

I sure the Admin. at Hoban is concerned with this situation and they are working hard to get a good person in there.

Didn't Thomas have a connection with a hitting academy/baseball travel program? Maybe the administration is looking in this direction after all.

Hometeam or Julio - did Thomas have any connection to any players/parents at Hoban?

[BuckNut2006]

This post has been going since mid-october, since then we've elected a president, ate too much turkey and lost our 401Ks. Why would Hoban balk at hiring a coach with the credentials of Brownlee??? I know people from Alliance, Dover, Malvern ... that would drive 60 miles or more and pay a small ransom to have their kids instructed at his academy. The students that go to Hoban are there to prepare for college, and with all of Brownlee's connections and reputation for producing quality ball players it should be a no brainer. If Hoban wants to be at the level of the Walshes and Tallmagdes here is their opportunity. The AD needs to put and end to this NOW, higher Brownlee and get the kids in the weight room and gym. Good luck knights!!!!

No doubt he is a great instructer and has made a nice living with his academy. But coaching high schoolers, especially at a school such as Hoban where parents are paying $$$ to send their sons there, and many who have chosen Hoban specifically to play baseball, takes a special coach with specific attributes. It's not like coaching at a public where a coach can throw a kid off the team or tell parents to take a hike. Could be Brownlee isn't the right fit in this situation.

On paper Hoban looks like a primo job. They'll figure it out.

[Hometeam]

Didn't Thomas have a connection with a hitting academy/baseball travel program? Maybe the administration is looking in this direction after all.

Hometeam or Julio - did Thomas have any connection to any players/parents at Hoban?

I have no idea about Thomas - maybe he had a hitting academy, but it wasn't local? My point is, if the academy is in the area and many of the boys go to him, wouldn't the boys who go to him have an advantage?

[ohiotravelbaseball]

At the time Mark was offered the job he was not affiliated with any baseball training facility or travel program. He was the director of Up To Bat West in Brook Park but was let go in September.

Since turning down the job he is now running a new baseball facility in Medina

[nooch16]

Well, after catching up on this thread, many recent posts, I have to agree, Brownlee would be a great fit at many schools, but at Hoban, not so sure. I can not say whether or not he only plays fav's or is true to what he says about being fair...I do not know first hand so I wont speculate. But I will say that Hoban maybe thinking that hiring a guy like brownlee, who most of these Hoban parents take their sons to for instruction, may not be the best hire. What if a parent is taking their son to him for instruction and "paying" a pretty penny for this instruction, what kind of spot will Brownlee be in if all these kids are paying for instruction and some of them may not be playing for Hoban? If you think parents are bad to coaches about playing time, what happens when their son isnt starting and they are paying good money for his instruction. They may feel obligated since they ar epaying money. Better yet what if a parent isnt taking his kid to brownlee, although the player may not be a starter material, his parents may think well these kids are only starting because they pay for Brownlees instruction. I just think there is too many problems on both sides if he was hired. Do I think he would make a difference in the program? YES, Do I think he is a very knowledgable baseball man? YES. But the politics of the parents would most definately conflict with his being an instructor...



on a side note....there was a player who will remain nameless that last year was a HUGE distraction often was talking back to the coaches and was very individual minded....he graduated and went off to a good baseball school....this player was always defended by the administration as being a great kid who was not a trouble maker at all. they often said theres no way he is doing the stuff you say he is (referring to how bad of a "teamate" he is to some kids and how he often talks down to coaches AND players)...

[diamondrules08]

At the time Mark was offered the job he was not affiliated with any baseball training facility or travel program. He was the director of Up To Bat West in Brook Park but was let go in September.

Since turning down the job he is now running a new baseball facility in Medina


I seem to be reading between the lines here. "At the time" sure sounds like he did know players or parents at Hoban...and he was offered the job anyway?

Does the left hand even know what the right hand is doing..sounds like the administration is running around in circles.

[111411]

How the heck isn't this thread locked or deleted mods?

Nooch16 check your PM's.

Are you referring to a specific post? If so, which one?

[BuckNut2006]

Well, after catching up on this thread, many recent posts, I have to agree, Brownlee would be a great fit at many schools, but at Hoban, not so sure. I can not say whether or not he only plays fav's or is true to what he says about being fair...I do not know first hand so I wont speculate. But I will say that Hoban maybe thinking that hiring a guy like brownlee, who most of these Hoban parents take their sons to for instruction, may not be the best hire. What if a parent is taking their son to him for instruction and "paying" a pretty penny for this instruction, what kind of spot will Brownlee be in if all these kids are paying for instruction and some of them may not be playing for Hoban? If you think parents are bad to coaches about playing time, what happens when their son isnt starting and they are paying good money for his instruction. They may feel obligated since they ar epaying money. Better yet what if a parent isnt taking his kid to brownlee, although the player may not be a starter material, his parents may think well these kids are only starting because they pay for Brownlees instruction. I just think there is too many problems on both sides if he was hired. Do I think he would make a difference in the program? YES, Do I think he is a very knowledgable baseball man? YES. But the politics of the parents would most definately conflict with his being an instructor...



on a side note....there was a player who will remain nameless that last year was a HUGE distraction often was talking back to the coaches and was very individual minded....he graduated and went off to a good baseball school....this player was always defended by the administration as being a great kid who was not a trouble maker at all. they often said theres no way he is doing the stuff you say he is (referring to how bad of a "teamate" he is to some kids and how he often talks down to coaches AND players)...

BINGO!! (The first paragraph).

[meeces2pieces]

the most likely new coach at Hoban will be last years freshman coach Jim Deistel. Why the AD Quinn and Principal Beiting waited over months to finally contact someone from Scott's excellent staff is puzzling. Deistel will be able to continue the positive direction and handling of the children of Hoban that Scott started last year. His biggest obstacle will be a parent who no doubt will be monitoring and reporting back to Dr Beiting every move Jim makes. This is the best and most logical choice to bring some continuity for the kids from having changed head coaches again. At least Jim did get to be around a majority of these kids last year and will help him in quickly evaluating his squads. I have read the many threads from what I can surmize as players and some parents on this site bashing Koenig and think you all need to take a look in the mirror at yourselfs and what your actions created in his being dismissed. Instead of being supportive you all selfishly sat around and stirred up trouble by misquoting him and second guessing every decision he made. He was one of 41 candidates for that job and some very influental baseball people in this community interviewed him and found him to be the right choice. Yet those with little to no baseball experience, adults and players alike, went on a crusade to chase him out like you did Ted G. He too got the short end of this stick by the same group of spoiled rotten parents and children. Ted, like Scott, put in hundreds of hours, caring and dedication to that institution. But since the parents think they have entitlement and pay country club like fees for their kids to attend that school they think that comes with the right to be a part of the hiring and firing of fine coaches like Ted and Scott. Both are better off at Massillon and Nordonia and will have the last laugh when their respective schools reach higher level state playoffs before Hoban ever has a sniff of one.

[111411]

I've done a lot of "surgery" on this thread in an attempt to keep it on the up and up, away from discussions of grades, and a host of other things. For all concerned, let's keep focus on the discussion about who will be the next Hoban baseball coach.

BTW, what was their record last year? How far did they go in the tourney?

[meeces2pieces]

15-10 regualar season, they won the first game of sectionals and then lost second game to Copley getting one hit....hope the new coach can win 16 games and keep his job for more than a year.

[julioII]

The player who went to the good baseball school here in ohio is no longer on the team.

[bigstik918]

to my knowledge i have only 3 HOBAN players that attend my academy...and all three will start on the varsity team this year no matter who coaches the team.....and trust me i don't play politics (ask around)! your quote about "most of the hoban players attend my academy is completely misleading.

[nooch16]

how many players were included from last year also? its the point im trying to make. Not saying what youre doing is wrong, just saying stand back at try to look at it from a parents perspective outside of brownlees. Even if you werent playing favorites and those kids were varsity starters, these hoban parents do not all see it that way. Scott last year recieved 6 phone calls the monday after our double header win on saturday. We were 4-0, played EVERY player in all 4 games and even started two different 9 man teams on satursdays DH and people were STILLL calling saying "my son needs to play more and your not putting in the best lineup!" That was the theme of the year, parents of players who did not start called and said your not playing the best lineup! So the point is that these parents all voice their opinions and im sure no matter what u do your always gonna have them and it will be even worse if your instruct some of their sons in the offseason

...as far as them hiring you, I talked to a person inside the school, something you said in the interview killed your chances at the job, atleast thats what the AD told my friend within the school so we can move on to the next name possibility....:shrug:

[bigstik918]

or hoban will likely never be a winning baseball program again (advancing past the districts having to go up against tallmadge and walsh). nooch i completely understand and respect your perspective but the stark reality is if hoban wants the baseball program to regain its status as a top tier baseball program things HAVE TO CHANGE administatively up there. no high level baseball man in his right mind would go up there and deal with what is the current state of affairs administratively. the baseball head coach is not getting the support he needs to be successful. i stated as much so in my interview. i had lots of real questions for them as well as they had questions for me. it was not your typical job interview.

i stated the culture needs changed or things will continue to decline. yea things might be a little hairy for a short period of time but thats what happens when things are a mess. it takes as long to fix something as it does to break it. and the baseball program up there is broken. right now that is a fact and noone can argue the point not even the most loyal of hoban knight fan.

why i would even be interested in this job under all these circumstances only a therapist could figure out. but i find it completely intriguing and professionally challenging....plus i know i could turn the program around and do so causing minimal administrative problems!

if they dont want it fixed then i am fine with that is well. my high level summer kids attend schools all over northeast ohio and i will be just fine going around town to watch and support them and my younger teams as well.

[nooch16]

Yup! It shows that what was one of the most sought after jobs in NEO (41 applicants from last year) is now a job that they cant even find a coach. They have asked a coach or two only to be turned down! Now they are relying on taking a Freshman coach in his 2nd year to turn their program around. Nothing against Jim but Hoban has put themselves in this state. Nothing will change until the find an AD that isnt just a puppet to the admin.

[Hometeam]

I always thought it was neat the way Brownlee would come to watch his kids play on their various teams; not many hitting instructors would take time in their off hours to go watch some of their players.

[Zippy1970]

Poster beleives Hoban culture must change.

After reading this thread, plus the problem with senior players quitting the Hoban basketball team, these Hoban athletes are soft and their parents are unrealistic.

In my day, Hoban athletes were as tough as any players in the area, and I played against a lot of them. The girl's teams at Hoban are more succesful than the boy's teams. May help matters if some of the girls sit down with the boys and lecture them about heart and dedication.

[honus123]

The player who went to the good baseball school here in ohio is no longer on the team.

who? the catcher last year or the pitcher?

[INOITALL]

What About Ted's Assistant Coach

[julioII]

inf/p

[honus123]

inf/p

the one at KSU?:shrug:

[honus123]

inf/p
if he did leave the baseball team that is ashame because he had an impressive tryout for the Reds this past summer and along with the lefty pticher from Hoban last year made quite an impression and they have him rated high on thier prospect list.

[spectator123]

if he did leave the baseball team that is ashame because he had an impressive tryout for the Reds this past summer and along with the lefty pticher from Hoban last year made quite an impression and they have him rated high on thier prospect list.

Maybe he wants to be eligible for the draft

[honus123]

he has the velocity they like, just needs to learn an off speed pitch which was his biggest drawback in high school. Kids would catch up to his fastball after one time around the order and he was not a good mental pitcher, to much parental interference is what I heard

[nooch16]

I guess the athletes are soft when they made it to the final 4 this year in football?

Dedication is the key like you said and I am 100% for you. A good positive atmosphere and a dedicated group of kids (no matter the circumstances) will play to their full potential.

I totally agree dedication and team oriented players make the best fit rather than a bunch of good ballplayers who are individual! I played on a city series school who won 43 games my junior n senior season and we only had 2 players play college ball on that team. We were the last city series team to win city and district titles in the same year since my uncle(Head Coach)and cousin(all state pitcher) 1992 North and it hasnt been done since. It isnt all about great players its about players embrassing the situation and taking advantage by coming through in the clutch. When a bunch of "non" college material players go to the regionals from the City Series, you have to have a special group.

The part thats so frustrating, is people whos een Hoban were right.....That was the most "TALENTED" group of players ive ever been around in HIGHSCHOOL, but when it came down to it, most of them didnt have what it took to win...

[julioII]

He didnt leave the team because he wanted to>:hello:

[nooch16]

He didnt leave the team because he wanted to>:hello:

how do u know this?

[julioII]

i have connections. You know i can't reveal my sources.

[Zippy1970]

I guess the athletes are soft when they made it to the final 4 this year in football?

Dedication is the key like you said and I am 100% for you. A good positive atmosphere and a dedicated group of kids (no matter the circumstances) will play to their full potential.

Hoban wins a weak region and they are crowned a great team with dedicated athletes?:shrug:

This is an issue with most schools these days. Walsh has issues and can't win their region in football. Not a big fan of privates but always respected their teams. Forty yrs ago these catholic schools had big time players who were tough as nails. Talented, but not spoiled and soft like these Hoban athletes, who are still coddled by their parents. St. Vs may be the only catholic school who gets tough kids, willing to make sacrifices. Too bad they had so many coaching changes.

[Hometeam]

I'd be very surprised if anyone who's graduated within the past few years around this area gets drafted.

[wiseham20]

This is getting off course. Start a new thread if you want to talk about the past and the "glory days" that could have been. Right now Hoban needs a coach that is a no BS guy, that will stand up to the admin., parents and the kids. Brownlee is a leader and motivator that has the experience to deal with pressure and conflict. This should have been settled months ago!!!!! While the AD drags his feet, Hoban could lose the best candidate, incoming freshmen and a chance to compete with the big boys.:wallbang:

[pnthrz4life]

Zippy: Are you serious? There is no such thing as a weak region. How many teams do regions draw far? You can't say that all of these teams are weak. Hoban was a very good football team with a very good coach. Also, you cannot say athletes from catholic schools are spoiled and soft. You just think this just to make an excuse for why teams might not be winning because you can't break a team down past being "soft" or "wanting it more."

Hometeam: Why don't you think anyone who has graduated the past few years will be drafted? What about Robert Maddox and Ben Klafcyinski (sp?). They made major impacts freshman year for MAC school. The only thing stopping kids who have graduated the past few years from being drafted is they have to wait the 3 years before eligible for the draft!

[honus123]

" . Right now Hoban needs a coach that is a no BS guy, that will stand up to the admin., parents and the kids. Brownlee is a leader and motivator that has the experience to deal with pressure and conflict. This should have been settled months ago!!!!! While the AD drags his feet, Hoban could lose the best candidate, incoming freshmen and a chance to compete with the big boys.:wallbang:

Wiseham20- how close to the situation were you last year to say Hoban needs a no BS guy, that will stand up to admin, parents and the kids? Are you sure that isn't what got the last coach tossed?

[Zippy1970]

Zippy: Are you serious? There is no such thing as a weak region. How many teams do regions draw far? You can't say that all of these teams are weak. Hoban was a very good football team with a very good coach. Also, you cannot say athletes from catholic schools are spoiled and soft. You just think this just to make an excuse for why teams might not be winning because you can't break a team down past being "soft" or "wanting it more."

Hometeam: Why don't you think anyone who has graduated the past few years will be drafted? What about Robert Maddox and Ben Klafcyinski (sp?). They made major impacts freshman year for MAC school. The only thing stopping kids who have graduated the past few years from being drafted is they have to wait the 3 years before eligible for the draft!

You missed my point. Read the posts by Nooch and go over to the basketball thread and read the posts about the seniors quitting the basketball team. I didnt post this stuff.

Don't know how many coaches quit recently at Hoban but it sounds as if there were at least three. Parents interfering, baseball players getting mouthy with their coaches, senior leaders quitting their basketball team. This sounds like a trend and it surprises many outsiders since so many of us have respected the catholic school programs and athletes. When did things get out of hand at Hoban?

No need to take this stuff personal. Frankly, I hope Hoban gets it together. Wont happen unless they stand up to these parents and trade in coddled, selfish athletes for players who love their sport more than their newpaper clippings. Nooch made a point, North won a district title with athletes who do not resemble these Hoban kids.

[Balanced]

broadening the subject beyond Hoban for just a minute - parents are parents and some are going to try and control what they can. If you give them any wiggle room at all they will take it and demand more. The problem is with administrations who let it happen. Want to solve a parent problem, start at the top.

[BuckNut2006]

Hoban wins a weak region and they are crowned a great team with dedicated athletes?:shrug:

This is an issue with most schools these days. Walsh has issues and can't win their region in football. Not a big fan of privates but always respected their teams. Forty yrs ago these catholic schools had big time players who were tough as nails. Talented, but not spoiled and soft like these Hoban athletes, who are still coddled by their parents. St. Vs may be the only catholic school who gets tough kids, willing to make sacrifices. Too bad they had so many coaching changes.

Zippy:

As a STVM fan thx for the nice word about the STVM kids. :)

However I think you may be a little too harsh about Hoban. Every school has to put up with these idiot parents with their nitwit kids. Hoban may be going thru a tough stretch, but they have plenty of great kids and parents who know to let the coaches do their jobs. Every Hoban person I have spoken with are disappointed by the coaching changes and the action of a few bad eggs.

[wiseham20]

Honus123- I was there, heard and saw some of it, but didn't get involved. I think everyone has to accept some blame. The whole situation could have been handled better by all. My piont is that with Brownlee you know what you are getting up front. He is brutally honest and will give every player a fair chance, not to mention the support staff he could put in place to get this program on par with the other outstanding sports programs at Hoban.

[honus123]

Honus123- I was there, heard and saw some of it, but didn't get involved. I think everyone has to accept some blame. The whole situation could have been handled better by all. My piont is that with Brownlee you know what you are getting up front. He is brutally honest and will give every player a fair chance, not to mention the support staff he could put in place to get this program on par with the other outstanding sports programs at Hoban.

Wiseham20-if you read any of Bigsticks replies you will see he is definitely not coming to Hoban so you better get in a mind set to play for someone else. I think you will learn in life as you yourself mature that most coaches are honest, but most people can't handle the truth, especially when its over-involved parents who then create misconceptions of the coaches to deflect any shortcomings that honest approach had toward player. Most players, left on their own to surmize what that coach is teaching and preaching don't have a problem with said coach, it is when mom and dad get involved that conflict arises in a program as what did with your baseball program last year. Now with last years class gone, do you think that this year there may have been a whole new outlook and perception of that coaching staff? From what I hve heard the underclassman and their parents were very receptive to Scott and felt he treated them more than fairly. A lot of people in the community know and have expressed it was a greedy, selfish group of seniors who wanted nothing to do with Scott and resented him from the beginning that created all the distractions last year to the point where people have heard they tanked it on him just make him look bad, what kind of a real baseball player would do that to his teammates? not very mature one's that is for sure. You may still end up with someone from that staff as the hed caoch this year and that person has the same philosophies and will discipline offenders like last years coach. I hear that the underclassman have much more class than last years upperclassman and hope they treat whomever is picked with more dignity than they did last years coach. Good Luck to you and Hoban this year!

[wiseham20]

Well said Honus123. I didn't know Brownlee had pulled his name. Or did he? How do you know? Hobans loss in my opinion!!! As far as the "as I mature" remark I'll let that go to stay on task. There is NO way those senior players would lose just to show up a coach up. That is ridiculous! Hoban has a ton of talent that just needs some development from the freshmen class up. I thought the freshman coach was great with the players and I didn't have a beef with Scott either. The point is the AD needs to get off the pot or take a sh*% soon. 8TH grade sign ups "for school" are not far away. If you are a player, a school with state championships or a school with no coach which would you choose? Public schools are already in the gyms and wieght rooms being instructed and if you are paying this kind of $ you would at least expect the same!!!!

[honus123]

wiseham123: sorry about the mature remark, from your comments about being there last year i assumed you may have been a player as it seemed you had first hand knoweldge. I have a good connection from inside the school that said PB is no longer a candidate. I think Hoban will have a decent year with Wilson and Shaub as their number 1 and 2 pitchers and the new coach, whomever it ends up being, will be pleased to have their leadership and pitching skills. They are a good group of kids and only have last years seniors and some of their parents to blame for the dissaray things are in currently along with the AD who is too young and inexperienced for the position he is in. What is up with that anyway? I know the coaches at Walsh have the utmost repsect for their AD and knows he is in their corner and puts them first before the parents or players. Quinn has priorities all wrong at Hoban.

[wiseham20]

They have enough talent to be good, but I still think PB is the right man to take them to that next level. Who is still in the running or walking or crawling and when will it be decided.

[honus123]

. There is NO way those senior players would lose just to show up a coach up. That is ridiculous! the same!!!!

heard it first hand from another member of that team that graduated, they didn't like Scott and gave up playing for him, what ashame.

[honus123]

They have enough talent to be good, but I still think PB is the right man to take them to that next level. Who is still in the running or walking or crawling and when will it be decided.

Deistel and one other person who I have not been able to find out is. Yes, PB would have been a good guy for them. He is a great baseball person as are you.

[honus123]

Players should not be posting on here... thats when problems develop.

or maybe I should get back to work since I am not a player., well I am sure they are on here under masked identities and will now and then create those situations.

[nooch16]

Hoban just hired their new coach Jim Deitsel (last years Freshman coach). I wish Jim all the luck in the world and hope he can make a difference in not only the kids but the AD, principal and brother ken as well. GOOD Luck with the parents though......wonder what they will think when they hired a guy scott brought in! He uses the same philosophy as scott.HA, lets see what Mr.McMuffin has to say about this! :wallbang:

[honus123]

congrats to Jim Diestel as the new head coach at Hoban, now this thread can go away.:)

[Balanced]

If confirmed, best of luck to Jim. Here's hoping he receives the kind of support he will need to build a successful program there.

[Sparky103]

Hope this is true, he should do a great job. The senior leadership is different this year, it will be a young team with only a few returning varsity starters. On the whole the parents are tired of the whole thing and may put McMullet in his place if he starts spouting off. It is time to turn the page and start the off-season workouts.

[honus123]

If confirmed, best of luck to Jim. Here's hoping he receives the kind of support he will need to build a successful program there.

got it from the horses mouth (not Dr. Principal), it's official.

[Balanced]

Congrat's. That's good news for you guys.

[Balanced]

How does a kid allegedely getting robbed in the parking lot make Hoban a tough program/team?

[baseballfan234]

Hoban just hired their new coach Jim Deitsel (last years Freshman coach). I wish Jim all the luck in the world and hope he can make a difference in not only the kids but the AD, principal and brother ken as well. GOOD Luck with the parents though......wonder what they will think when they hired a guy scott brought in! He uses the same philosophy as scott.HA, lets see what Mr.McMuffin has to say about this! :wallbang:


Thought Hoban was looking for a new direction. Totally speechless!

[julioII]

Maybe they ran out of options? It is December time was running out.

[honus123]

Thought Hoban was looking for a new direction. Totally speechless!

Baseball234: why are you speechless? you seem really bothered by this. if you were not a part of the program last year and being influenced by the 2 or 3 misfit parents who spent all their energy and time tearing Scott down when he didn't even get a chance to get his feet wet at Hoban, then you are very misguided and influenced by the wrong people. Have you ever spoken to Scott or anyone on his staff? What makes you an expert on what happened last year? Are you one of the 3 bitter parents? He did bring a new positive direction to Hoban which was almost polar opposite of Ted G in treatment of the players, communicating with the school, and the parents, and they were 15-10, not 10-15. Yes, they didn't advance as far as most thought they would but they didn't take a step backwards either. Obviously the group of seniors did not get any better than their junior year and with their negative attitudes and short amount of time to work with them that Scott was not able to motivate them to do any better. It was the right direction and Deistel, not having to deal with last years problematic players, will further what was being started by Scott. Although one of the more vocal parents still has 2 underclassmen there, I think that father is not going to have the support group he had last year as most of the other parents are still very upset by Scott not being renewed and realize who was driving that decision, his other supporters sons have graduated so they won't be there on the sidelines with him forming all their second guessings together. He had strength in numbers, now he is pretty much alone to do his complaining which I am sure he will be doing to Jim the first chance he gets.

[Hometeam]

I wish the new coach well.

One thing I have to say, though. I've noticed throughout the years, from tee-ball on up, that often it's the kids of the loudest, most assertive parents (especially dads) that get rewarded - kind of like "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". I've known quite a few kids who have gone D1 and while they DO have talent, their dads especially have pushed them and marketed them as being "better than the other kids" early on. It kind of leaves little hope for the parents who have the philosophy "I'll let my kid's batting (pitching, fielding, etc.) do the talking." It seems to work for the parent who's not afraid to get into the coach's face to brag their kids up. Sadly, it seems like a lot of it is perception. The dad often puts himself on the same level as the coach or even befriends the coach to get what he wants. And if THAT doesn't work, then the parent complains about how bad the coach is. But this approach often DOES seem to work.

[Zippy1970]

How does a kid allegedely getting robbed in the parking lot make Hoban a tough program/team?

Last year Hoban's bleachers were stolen. Last night a Hoban student is robbed at gunpoint in the shadow of the school. Yet the Hoban athletes are still coddled, soft with meddling parents. Hoban being in a high crime area doesn't make their athletes tough. There are two threads about Hoban. Niether one is very postive about the Knights. Once proud school. Sad.

[Just Win Baby]

I guess all rules and theories about Hoban being soft is being thrown aside. A kid was robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot 2 nights ago.


So did this kid beat up the criminal in the act....if so he..and all of hoban kids are official badasses from now on..:shrug:

[honus123]

How are you going to rag on Guscoff when he made it further in the playoffs than Bledhorn, and the coaches after him combind in the past 6 years? The majority of the kids loved Guscoff. I for one would of played for his blue collar mentality. He was a great motivator and watched kids he coached play in winter sports as well as fall sports.

not ragging on him, actually respect him alot, just saying that the direction Hoban wanted, treating players better, better communication with school and parents is what last years coach brought to the table. They had a winning record and only went one less game than Ted in the playoffs. The talk around town has always been that Hoban kids choke at crunch time, not the coaches. Ted and Scott were both apt to take a team further but when kids buckle under pressure it is not the coaches fault. And I know last years coach was at summer events and even winter events before he actually started coaching last February, so Ted is not the only coach that ever cared.

[baseballfan234]

Baseball234: why are you speechless? you seem really bothered by this. if you were not a part of the program last year and being influenced by the 2 or 3 misfit parents who spent all their energy and time tearing Scott down when he didn't even get a chance to get his feet wet at Hoban, then you are very misguided and influenced by the wrong people. Have you ever spoken to Scott or anyone on his staff? What makes you an expert on what happened last year? Are you one of the 3 bitter parents? He did bring a new positive direction to Hoban which was almost polar opposite of Ted G in treatment of the players, communicating with the school, and the parents, and they were 15-10, not 10-15. Yes, they didn't advance as far as most thought they would but they didn't take a step backwards either. Obviously the group of seniors did not get any better than their junior year and with their negative attitudes and short amount of time to work with them that Scott was not able to motivate them to do any better. It was the right direction and Deistel, not having to deal with last years problematic players, will further what was being started by Scott. Although one of the more vocal parents still has 2 underclassmen there, I think that father is not going to have the support group he had last year as most of the other parents are still very upset by Scott not being renewed and realize who was driving that decision, his other supporters sons have graduated so they won't be there on the sidelines with him forming all their second guessings together. He had strength in numbers, now he is pretty much alone to do his complaining which I am sure he will be doing to Jim the first chance he gets.


"Bothered" is not it at all. "Confused" may be a better term. It just appears as if Deistel was not their first choice. If he was, we would not be posting threads in mid-December, as he would have been hired months ago. The administration offered the position to 2 others earlier on too.

[honus123]

"Bothered" is not it at all. "Confused" may be a better term. It just appears as if Deistel was not their first choice. If he was, we would not be posting threads in mid-December, as he would have been hired months ago. The administration offered the position to 2 others earlier on too.

understandable then.

[dascout]

I wish the new coach well.

One thing I have to say, though. I've noticed throughout the years, from tee-ball on up, that often it's the kids of the loudest, most assertive parents (especially dads) that get rewarded - kind of like "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". I've known quite a few kids who have gone D1 and while they DO have talent, their dads especially have pushed them and marketed them as being "better than the other kids" early on. It kind of leaves little hope for the parents who have the philosophy "I'll let my kid's batting (pitching, fielding, etc.) do the talking." It seems to work for the parent who's not afraid to get into the coach's face to brag their kids up. Sadly, it seems like a lot of it is perception. The dad often puts himself on the same level as the coach or even befriends the coach to get what he wants. And if THAT doesn't work, then the parent complains about how bad the coach is. But this approach often DOES seem to work.

I agree with this to a point. The better the high school program(read AD), the less this happens. The great equalizer is Freshman year in College. The parents don't count. Sure, the coach is nice to you, but get into his program, and you are dirt. As it should be!

[Hometeam]

I agree with this to a point. The better the high school program(read AD), the less this happens. The great equalizer is Freshman year in College. The parents don't count. Sure, the coach is nice to you, but get into his program, and you are dirt. As it should be!

Yes, I agree, college coaches are much different than h.s. or summer coaches. However, for a kid to get invited to showcases, etc. so they can be seen by the colleges, often it's because the dad was assertive and pushed hard so that the h.s. coaches and summer coaches would recommend his kid to specific colleges, camps and showcases and for even awards. As much as we dislike the overbearing parents, in baseball particularly (where the talent of kids are often matters of opinion), it seems to be the way to go. Many, if not most, of the so-called "hyped" players have dads who put themselves on the level of the coach. My theory is - you can have a kid who's equally as talented on the field, but if his parents are quiet, team players and not pushy, that kid won't go as far (be given as many opportunities possibly) as the kid who has more aggressive parents. In baseball, the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" and it pays to be pushy.

[BuckNut2006]

Yes, I agree, college coaches are much different than h.s. or summer coaches. However, for a kid to get invited to showcases, etc. so they can be seen by the colleges, often it's because the dad was assertive and pushed hard so that the h.s. coaches and summer coaches would recommend his kid to specific colleges, camps and showcases and for even awards. As much as we dislike the overbearing parents, in baseball particularly (where the talent of kids are often matters of opinion), it seems to be the way to go. Many, if not most, of the so-called "hyped" players have dads who put themselves on the level of the coach. My theory is - you can have a kid who's equally as talented on the field, but if his parents are quiet, team players and not pushy, that kid won't go as far (be given as many opportunities possibly) as the kid who has more aggressive parents. In baseball, the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" and it pays to be pushy.

Assertive is different than pushy. As in any sport, the HIGHLY talented players do not need to be "hyped" by their parents (Lebron, Vrabel, Koufus, etc), everyone, including the colleges knows who they are. It is those "tweeners" or "second-tier" caliber player who may need their parents or high school coaches to run some interference. Parents need to be instructed, there is a classy and an unclassy way to do it.

[Balanced]

I agree with this to a point. The better the high school program(read AD), the less this happens. The great equalizer is Freshman year in College. The parents don't count. Sure, the coach is nice to you, but get into his program, and you are dirt. As it should be!

I agree with what you say about college programs. In fact a pain in the axx dad at that level will actually adversely effect the relationship between coach and player.....that's a nice way of saying that if the coach thinks the dad is a tool, the kid may not be there very long.

I do not agree with your statement about it happeneing less at the better HS programs. I can tell you from first hand experience at least here in NE Ohio that this goes on at the better programs. It kills me to admit it because fundamentally I find the practice to be disgusting - but it does go on.

[Balanced]

Assertive is different than pushy. As in any sport, the HIGHLY talented players do not need to be "hyped" by their parents (Lebron, Vrabel, Koufus, etc), everyone, including the colleges knows who they are. It is those "tweeners" or "second-tier" caliber player who may need their parents or high school coaches to run some interference. Parents need to be instructed, there is a classy and an unclassy way to do it.

Buck - but baseball players in a state like Ohio need all the help they can get. You are right though, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

[Hometeam]

Also, the LeBron's, etc. only come along once in a blue moon. These are blue chip athletes where their talent is undeniable. Their talent, size, height, power, etc. is obvious. And even with LeBron, his mom seemed very involved - probably from Day One.

In baseball, it's different. You don't see as many blue chip athletes, except for maybe pitchers, where it's more noticeable. Many times, it's very subjective as to what scouts are looking for. It's hard to say that a position player is a real standout compared to other position players. So you have 2 kids who are very similar in talent. What I'm saying is, a lot of it seems to hinge on the parents. Often, the D1 kid has a pushy dad. Even if the dad acts obnoxious, the kid still seems to get farther than the kid who has a supportive yet unobtrusive dad.

[BENSPAPA8]

I hope potential recruits are not reading all this misinformation

[Hometeam]

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying - I'm not defending these "assertive" parents. I'm saying it is what it is. Many of these parents try to put themselves on the same level as the coach; it's refreshing when a coach doesn't fall for it.

[spectator123]

I hope potential recruits are not reading all this misinformation, and if they are, they should disregard all of it.

Maybe you should explain the misinformation that needs to be disregarded.

[bigstik918]

i agree with you 100%

[Balanced]

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying - I'm not defending these "assertive" parents. I'm saying it is what it is. Many of these parents try to put themselves on the same level as the coach; it's refreshing when a coach doesn't fall for it.

Hometeam. You don't have to justify your position on a topic because someone doesn't like what you have to say. I think most people understand your point.

[Balanced]

i agree with you 100%

P. First time I've ever heard you agree with any idea that wasn't yours.....just kidding. Hope all is well with you and yours.

[bigstik918]

you are really funny! same back at ya! heard from brother ken today at hoban that they are getting ready to make announcement.

[baseballfan123]

Hometeam I really do have to agree with you I have seen it with my own eyes for years in all levels of baseball... Someone once said "I like to coach boys that are real vocal and are like middle linebackers". So I have to say there are some boys and I mean good ball players that don't get the respect they deserve because they just play the game and do what the Coach asks of them with no vocals needed........

[Balanced]

you are really funny! same back at ya! heard from brother ken today at hoban that they are getting ready to make announcement.

Summit County HS baseball needs a strong program at schools like Hoban. Let's hope they get it done.

[The_Predator]

Has this coach/administration selected a:
Varsity assistant(s)
JV Head Coach
Freshman Head Coach ????

[baseballfan234]

heard rumor that Wilson may be on staff in some capacity

[Balanced]

Do you mean Kenny?

[honus123]

Do you mean Kenny?

Kenny is a great baseball person but it is never a good idea to have a parent on staff. besides would he have enough time running his hitting facility as this is the busiest time of the year for those places?

[Hometeam]

Kenny is a great baseball person but it is never a good idea to have a parent on staff. besides would he have enough time running his hitting facility as this is the busiest time of the year for those places?

Agreed! It's NEVER a good idea (to put it mildly) to have a parent involved with a baseball program in ANY way, shape or form. He'll be chirping in the coach's ears about who to play in which position, etc. When you're talking about possible college scholarships, this isn't Little League any longer; it's serious business.

[spectator123]

Agreed! It's NEVER a good idea (to put it mildly) to have a parent involved with a baseball program in ANY way, shape or form. He'll be chirping in the coach's ears about who to play in which position, etc. When you're talking about possible college scholarships, this isn't Little League any longer; it's serious business.

I think that his son is already committed to Kent State. If so does this change anything?

[Balanced]

Agreed! It's NEVER a good idea (to put it mildly) to have a parent involved with a baseball program in ANY way, shape or form. He'll be chirping in the coach's ears about who to play in which position, etc. When you're talking about possible college scholarships, this isn't Little League any longer; it's serious business.

How do you guys feel about a coach who has been there many years and his son comes of age and enters the program? Should he stay or should he go?

[Hometeam]

How do you guys feel about a coach who has been there many years and his son comes of age and enters the program? Should he stay or should he go?

I don't know - good question. I guess if the coach has already been there for so long, you can't very well let him go (if he's a good coach). It's different than a parent who comes on the scene at the same time his son does. Plus, this is an actual coach who's had experience coaching which is different than some of the parents who think they can just step in and coach.

Spectator 123 - Even though his kid is already committed to Kent, if this dad is just coming on the scene to coach conveniently at the same time his son is entering the program, it looks like the dad may be more interested in being around his own kid rather than being involved overall with the program. However, if this dad has been around the program for awhile (before his son started playing), then it is what it is and if the dad is a good coach, you just let him coach the way he always has, with his kid in the program or not.

This is all just my opinion; being a parent and an outsider, it's probably how I would look at it.

[Balanced]

Back to Hoban for a minute - from my view, and knowing KW like I do I don't think there would be a problem if was to be involved. Plus, his kid is an excellent player and is going to get his playing time there regardless of who may be coaching.

[spectator123]

I don't know - good question. I guess if the coach has already been there for so long, you can't very well let him go (if he's a good coach). It's different than a parent who comes on the scene at the same time his son does. Plus, this is an actual coach who's had experience coaching which is different than some of the parents who think they can just step in and coach.

Spectator 123 - Even though his kid is already committed to Kent, if this dad is just coming on the scene to coach conveniently at the same time his son is entering the program, it looks like the dad may be more interested in being around his own kid rather than being involved overall with the program. However, if this dad has been around the program for awhile (before his son started playing), then it is what it is and if the dad is a good coach, you just let him coach the way he always has, with his kid in the program or not.

This is all just my opinion; being a parent and an outsider, it's probably how I would look at it.

Maybe his dad just figures he is past having to worry about his kid at this point

[Hometeam]

Actually, I never considered myself as filled with disdain or negativity.

I just always thought that parents should leave coaching up to the coaches.

[baseballfan123]

Benspapa, "are you one of these Dad coaches" we are talking about? This whole tread about Hoban has been about Dads trying to tell the Coaches where to play,who to play and how much to play and then getting the Coach fired after one season. Some Dads seem to have more authority then the average parent.

[Hometeam]

Benspapa8 - re. lst year head coach Danny Allie - what qualifications did he have before he became the head coach? Just curious. Was he an educator to begin with so he's had experience with instructing kids? Or did he become the head coach simply because he was the dad of one of the kids? If it's the latter, I still don't agree with it - whether they won the championship or not. There are many qualified people who would love a chance to be a head coach. I just think the person who coaches should have some experience, education and training in it.

[Hometeam]

It sounds as though Allie was legitimately qualified to be a head coach. I have no problem with that. It's the "other" parents I'm talking about. The ones who only want to push their kids along. And the ones who try and undermine good coaches.

"If you keep a positive outlook instead of negative, maybe some good baseball will come your way. Please look before you leap. Only trying to help." - WHAT'S THIS EVEN MEAN? I'm positive about ONE thing - I'm positive you think you're the foremost authority on EVERYTHING!

[111411]

I've just deleted two posts by the same poster. The first post was bashing another poster. The second post was complaining about being deleted. The next time I have to edit or delete a post by that poster, I will have him placed on moderated stautus. When a post disappears, it is for a legitimate reason. Don't push the limits.

[brownandorange]

Well, after catching up on this thread, many recent posts, I have to agree, Brownlee would be a great fit at many schools, but at Hoban, not so sure. I can not say whether or not he only plays fav's or is true to what he says about being fair...I do not know first hand so I wont speculate. But I will say that Hoban maybe thinking that hiring a guy like brownlee, who most of these Hoban parents take their sons to for instruction, may not be the best hire. What if a parent is taking their son to him for instruction and "paying" a pretty penny for this instruction, what kind of spot will Brownlee be in if all these kids are paying for instruction and some of them may not be playing for Hoban? If you think parents are bad to coaches about playing time, what happens when their son isnt starting and they are paying good money for his instruction. They may feel obligated since they ar epaying money. Better yet what if a parent isnt taking his kid to brownlee, although the player may not be a starter material, his parents may think well these kids are only starting because they pay for Brownlees instruction. I just think there is too many problems on both sides if he was hired. Do I think he would make a difference in the program? YES, Do I think he is a very knowledgable baseball man? YES. But the politics of the parents would most definately conflict with his being an instructor...



on a side note....there was a player who will remain nameless that last year was a HUGE distraction often was talking back to the coaches and was very individual minded....he graduated and went off to a good baseball school....this player was always defended by the administration as being a great kid who was not a trouble maker at all. they often said theres no way he is doing the stuff you say he is (referring to how bad of a "teamate" he is to some kids and how he often talks down to coaches AND players)...

Did this kid play little league in Ellet? Sounds just like a kid in Ellet that bullied every kid he met, on his team and off his team. He went to Hoban to play and would have graduated last year. Everyone was so glad to see him go to Hoban instead of Ellet. Good player but not worth it. I don't think coach Sarver would have put up with him.

[honus123]

Did this kid play little league in Ellet? Sounds just like a kid in Ellet that bullied every kid he met, on his team and off his team. He went to Hoban to play and would have graduated last year. Everyone was so glad to see him go to Hoban instead of Ellet. Good player but not worth it. I don't think coach Sarver would have put up with him.

Yes, it is the kid from Ellet who was a cancer on the Hoban team last year, the only reason he was not dismissed from the team is that the coach had his hands tied by the admin and the fact that mommy and daddy paid $8K a year for him to attend there. Any public school coach would have gladly kicked him off the team.

[PACrat]

Yes, it is the kid from Ellet who was a cancer on the Hoban team last year, the only reason he was not dismissed from the team is that the coach had his hands tied by the admin and the fact that mommy and daddy paid $8K a year for him to attend there. Any public school coach would have gladly kicked him off the team.

You think this post is pertinent and you are having fun
But I foresee a visit by 111411.

[Balanced]

....again - back to Hoban. Did they make the announcement yet?

[honus123]

....again - back to Hoban. Did they make the announcement yet?

they are introducing Deistel as coach this Thursday to the kids.

[BuckNut2006]

You think this post is pertinent and you are having fun
But I foresee a visit by 111411.

As long as names are not being used, it is pertinent to this thread. As a Catholic school fan, maybe outsiders should be aware that it is not so easy to coach at these schools. Point being, a meddlesome parent, with one or two kids on a team, paying $8K/Yr per kid does put a private school coach in a bad position. In these economic times, no private school can afford to lose students. At a public school, many of these kids are simply kicked off the team.

[Balanced]

As long as names are not being used, it is pertinent to this thread. As a Catholic school fan, maybe outsiders should be aware that it is not so easy to coach at these schools. Point being, a meddlesome parent, with one or two kids on a team, paying $8K/Yr per kid does put a private school coach in a bad position. In these economic times, no private school can afford to lose students. At a public school, many of these kids are simply kicked off the team.

But it doesn't have to be that way. The coach doesn't have to be in a bad spot. Some private schools do a better job then others in keeping parents off the coaches. Let's face it, many parents who pay the big tuition think they have a chip in the "big" game. What they fail to realize is that every parent paid to get into the same game. To me, The key to this whole issue at any school is two fold; 1, the strength of the AD's resolve in supporting his / her coaches in this way, and 2, parents need to teach their kids what it means to compete. Some schools / parents get this and others don't.

[Hometeam]

Unfortunately, I think private schools are more guilty of playing their money favorites than public. It seems like the legacy players, alumnae kids, etc. DO get more favors than other kids. I know that Hoban isn't the ONLY private/Catholic school where this has happened. Other Catholic/private high schools are guilty of this as well.

And it would be VERY difficult trying to coach at schools where this is commonplace.

[Balanced]

Schools that use a formal process for parents to communicate concerns, etc. usually works out pretty well. Not perfect but it keeps the volume down and allows for the coach to stay focussed on the team.

Too bad it's needed but if nothing else it forces parents to teach their kids to handle there own issues.....which is the way it should to be.

[BuckNut2006]

But it doesn't have to be that way. The coach doesn't have to be in a bad spot. Some private schools do a better job then others in keeping parents off the coaches. Let's face it, many parents who pay the big tuition think they have a chip in the "big" game. What they fail to realize is that every parent paid to get into the same game. To me, The key to this whole issue at any school is two fold; 1, the strength of the AD's resolve in supporting his / her coaches in this way, and 2, parents need to teach their kids what it means to compete. Some schools / parents get this and others don't.

Balanced:

Agree 100%. What has happened in this situation is the coach was in the middle of a perfect storm:

- Talented senior class that was labeled with high expectations
- A departing coach who had worked with these kids for four years
- An AD who is young with very little experience, who undoubtedly had his heart in the right place, but was overwhelmed
- A principal who allowed herself to be dragged into the middle of the drama
- A group of parents who had no qualms of pushing their weight around, second guessing the HC, whose actions led to players showing disrepect towards the HC and his assistants
- The remaining parents, in fact the MAJORITY of parents, stood silent not wanting to make waves

It could not have been a worse situation.

Hopefully the new HC can get the program on track. Certainly is a lot of talent at Hoban and it a shame if these players do have the opportunity to play to their full potential.

[BuckNut2006]

Schools that use a formal process for parents to communicate concerns, etc. usually works out pretty well. Not perfect but it keeps the volume down and allows for the coach to stay focussed on the team.

Too bad it's needed but if nothing else it forces parents to teach their kids to handle there own issues.....which is the way it should to be.

This is the result of years of awarding these kids "Participation Trophies"! :wallbang:

[baseballfan234]

This is the result of years of awarding these kids "Participation Trophies"! :wallbang:

Agree 100%..Too many times a coach is afraid to make the cuts necessary for the sake of the program because they fear parental backlash. Especially the case at a private school where many parents believe that their tuition payment entitles little johnny to a spot on a certain roster.

Good luck to the new Hoban coach. If he is organized and has a take charge personality right from the get go he will be fine. It will be critical that everyone knows that HE is running the show right out of the gate and that the administration is fully supporting him.

[Balanced]

By doing that you just brought it back to the top.....in big bright colors too I might add.