Gcl South

[Xfanforev]

I attend one of the GCL south schools and am very curious to each teams potential roster and starting line ups. Any in depth pre season reviews of these 4 teams would be great! Who is favored to win it?

[tucker]

league should be down this year.

[mbgumby28]

1. Moeller
2. Elder
3. LaSalle
4. St. X

[FFIndiansBBall]

This is LaSalles year i think.. X and moe should be down.

1. LaSalle
2. Moe
3. Elder
4. X

[Xfanforev]

can anyone give key players and rosters now/potential lineups?

[HoopHound]

can anyone give key players and rosters now/potential lineups?

I can't believe you wouldn't be aware of this, but in case you aren't... the GCL has a dynamite website that covers basketball as well as it does football. You'll be able to see rosters (with starters indicated for most games last season) and stats.

http://www.gclsports.com/confStandings.aspx?satc=143&year=2007&div=-1

Hopefully that will help you a little!! :)

[LancerGuy12]

Elder
Selby Chidemo
Josh Jones
Alex welch
Alex Eppinsteiner
Erich Vogelsang
Autneriep
Schneider(sophmore,will be playing varsity)


Elder and Lasalle look to be the teams to beat this year

[ManofMoe2]

Moeller

Tony Harris- Sr- PG
Griffin McKenzie-Jr- F
Mike Stamper- Sr -G/F
Brian Vonderhaar- Sr - G
Jeremy Duncan- Sr - F

Key Players of the Bench (Possible Starters)
Josh Morelock- Jr -G
Marc Robinett- Sr -G
Charlie Byers- Soph.-G- If he makes/is placed on varsity

[HoopHound]

Elder
Selby Chidemo
Josh Jones
Alex welch
Alex Eppinsteiner
Erich Vogelsang
Autneriep
Schneider(sophmore,will be playing varsity)


Elder and Lasalle look to be the teams to beat this year

Moeller

Tony Harris- Sr- PG
Griffin McKenzie-Jr- F
Mike Stamper- Sr -G/F
Brian Vonderhaar- Sr - G
Jeremy Duncan- Sr - F

Key Players of the Bench (Possible Starters)
Josh Morelock- Jr -G
Marc Robinett- Sr -G
Charlie Byers- Soph.-G- If he makes/is placed on varsity

Can you guys provide some heights and grade levels for these players please?

THANKS!!

[Xfanforev]

How about x and lasalle now?
thanks!

[CinciSportsNut]

Elder
Selby Chidemo
Josh Jones
Alex welch
Alex Eppinsteiner
Erich Vogelsang
Autneriep
Schneider(sophmore,will be playing varsity)


Elder and Lasalle look to be the teams to beat this year
LASALLE? Serious you think so?

[D-Swizzel102]

X will be DOWN... especially compared to the last two seasons. But even further than normal.

[Vox Crusada]

Can you guys provide some heights and grade levels for these players please?

THANKS!!Here's last year's roster.
http://moeller.org/Default.aspx?tabid=2885
Drop the 12's, make 11's 12's and 10's 11's. Don't know if any 9's will go up to varsity as 10's.

This link has last year's statistics.
http://moeller.org/Portals/0/athletics/Basketball/2007-08%20Stats/Cumulative.pdf

[mbgumby28]

This is LaSalles year i think.. X and moe should be down.

1. LaSalle
2. Moe
3. Elder
4. X



LaSalle will be a wee bit better. Moe, Elder, and especially X will seem to be down. But hey, that's said every year for these GCL-S teams. You know the GCL-S, they generally find good replacements for previous years.

[Vox Crusada]

Moeller

Tony Harris- Sr- PG5'11"
Griffin McKenzie-Jr- F6'8"
Mike Stamper- Sr -G/F6'4"
Brian Vonderhaar- Sr - G5'9"
Jeremy Duncan- Sr - F6'6"

Key Players of the Bench (Possible Starters)
Josh Morelock- Jr -G5'11"
Marc Robinett- Sr -G6'1
Charlie Byers- Soph.-G- 6'0"If he makes/is placed on varsity
Heights in red.
Don't forget Alex Gresky at 6'7" Sr., Rudy DeLois at 6'2" Sr., Kyle Sauerland at 6'6" Jr., and Marcus Rush 6'3" Jr.

[NorrisHopper30]

Heights in red.
Don't forget Alex Gresky at 6'7" Sr., Rudy DeLois at 6'2" Sr., Kyle Sauerland at 6'6" Jr., and Marcus Rush 6'3" Jr.

Byers is 6'?

I might have to go get remeasured because i'm 5'11 3/4 and i've got at least an inch on him :laugh:

[bearcatjackm]

X's best player is Stenger. He will surprise many this year b/c he didnt get a lot of playing time last year b/c of all the seniors they had on the roster. 6'7 and athletic. I hear he had a great summer in AAU ball. Don't know about rest of team.

[ManofMoe2]

Marcus Rush from Moeller is NOT playing this year. He was unhappy so he quit

[gonefishing]

steng will be the "best" post player in the GCL.

[Xfanforev]

yeah ive seen him play before. Very athletic and long.
Who else will he have on his team to back him up?

[brotherin]

The league will come down to Elder and Moeller. X will be fine but they will struggle a bit. LaSalle didn't impress anyone last year and from what I could tell during the summer season, none of their players progressed. Isn't there one big kid at LaSalle that will give Mac some time off, don't they have ahugh sophmore? Whats his name?

But lets face it, when your coach put's in freshman during the season it usually means they are better than most Soph's and Juniors. Don't look for Lasalle to make any waves this year!

Yes, Brandon Neal

As for predictions i would say:
Moeller
Elder
LaSalle
St. X

[Simply X]

I would not sleep on the Bombers with Stenger and Massa is a hooper as well. Any word on the development of Nurre? They could have a nice front line. Unfortunately for the Bombers and the rest of the GCL, the GMC is flat out loaded with Princeton and Middletown at the top. Also Aiken from the city league.

[younmoegrad]

Bombers = Stiffs

[tinman13]

Welch from Elder will dominate Stenger

[bearcatjackm]

please! and u are basing that on??? Welch is nice player but he will not dominate stenger by any means. If either one has a chance to dominate the other, it will be stenger dominating welch.

[LancerGuy12]

1.lasalle
2.elder
3.moeller
4.st.x

Lasalle's Jordan Crawford and Danny McElroy will be hard to stop this year being their Senior year

And Welch might have the upper hand on Stenger just because he's stronger than him

[dbdad00]

1. moeller
2. elder- has the best chance to dethrone the crusaders this year IMO
3. st. x
4. lasalle

[climbingwalls24]

Moeller
Elder
LaSalle
X

[gonefishing]

watching steng play the whole summer, he has "killed" some good post payers. welch is maybe 6'4, steng is a good 6'8 with long arms. he can shoot it, block shots, rebound and dribble.

[bearcatjackm]

Stenger is an unknown to most, but he will not be an unknown by the end of season. He has a huge upside, very athletic and skilled, he is a late bloomer.

[Xfanforev]

I feel like no one is giving x any credit this year. I honestly think they will surprise everyone as a very good team. They have good individual players but also have great role players as well. I do not see them coming last in the GCL south.

[younmoegrad]

I feel like no one is giving x any credit this year. I honestly think they will surprise everyone as a very good team. They have good individual players but also have great role players as well. I do not see them coming last in the GCL south.

Bombers = Stiffs

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAFC033~Larry-Bird-Kevin-McHale-1-Photofile-Posters.jpg

[Bigmoe22]

X WILL be last this year in the GCL. Followed by Lasalle
1. Moeller or Elder-toss up :shrug:
3. Lasalle
4. St. Xavier

[mbgumby28]

X has only 2 returning Varsity team members. They will be down.

[Xfanforev]

Yeah but they have a pretty talented Junior class that can help tremendously.

[sunnyside]

Lasalle #1 Jordan Crawford will own the GCL with his speed

[ManofMoe2]

Lasalle will be good with returning starters and a good JV team from last year. Moeller lost a lot of talent and starters (MacDowell, Davenport, Rack, Martin) but always seem to reload. I think the GCL south title will come down to Moe and Lasalle with Elder very close behind

[younmoegrad]

I don't see a ton of height on the Moeller rosters from last year. I like Tony Harris running the point, but do we have a go-to scorer?

[Syca.Aves.Dad]

Lasalle #1 Jordan Crawford will own the GCL with his speed

I agree that Crawford should have a great year in 2008-09. He was impressive this past summer in AAU ball against some of the top talent in the country. He is the best PG of his size that I've EVER seen. No full court press can contain him. Just in-bounds the rock to him, clear the backcourt and let him do his thang. Sheds defenders like flies.

LaSalle should do well in 2008-09.

[ManofMoe2]

I don't see a ton of height on the Moeller rosters from last year. I like Tony Harris running the point, but do we have a go-to scorer?

Duncan and McKenzie (6'7 and 6'8) will be our size. Our go to scorers will be Harris, McKenzie(inside), and Vonderhaar (great from outside),

[vnerone02]

mcelroy and lasalle win win the south. then will lose to princeton in playoffs

[younmoegrad]

Duncan and McKenzie (6'7 and 6'8) will be our size. Our go to scorers will be Harris, McKenzie(inside), and Vonderhaar (great from outside),

Good to know. Will we be a fast-paced team or a half court set squad?

[ManofMoe2]

Good to know. Will we be a fast-paced team or a half court set squad?

it depends on who Kremer puts on the floor. if he goes with Harris, Morelock and Vonderhaar, in a small lineup, then we will be fast tempo-fast break the whole game. But if he puts McKenzie, Duncan, and Stamper in then we will try some half-court motion concentrating on the in and out game. If i had to guess, i would say he will go with the fast paced squad.

[younmoegrad]

it depends on who Kremer puts on the floor. if he goes with Harris, Morelock and Vonderhaar, in a small lineup, then we will be fast tempo-fast break the whole game. But if he puts McKenzie, Duncan, and Stamper in then we will try some half-court motion concentrating on the in and out game. If i had to guess, i would say he will go with the fast paced squad.

This is going to be interesting year for CK, I don't know a whole lot about the kids in the program anymore, but I expect Moeller to be very competitive every year.

My other question is, how do you think we'll shoot this year? Will we be a good perimeter shooting team?

[ManofMoe2]

This is going to be interesting year for CK, I don't know a whole lot about the kids in the program anymore, but I expect Moeller to be very competitive every year.

My other question is, how do you think we'll shoot this year? Will we be a good perimeter shooting team?

Yes, CK has some big decisions to make. Moeller won't be as competative as the last 2 seasons, but they will be in the running for GCL champs. As for our shooting, there will be no issues there. With Vonderhaar being a great perimeter shooter (best on the team) and Harris and Morelock also being threats from outside, we will be fine in that category. other members of the team will step up there as well.

[bigmoe50]

Let's stay healthy and have a great season. GCL champs

[lancersroll]

Although I agree LS on paper should win the GCL let's remember Flem is thecoach and in some 18 yrs he has 1 tie, yes 1 tie for the title in 18 yrs.

He could not win the GCL with Austin he only tied with Orr and never won it with either Esterkamp.

I will say LS finishes a distant 3rd due to all the soph's and no Jr 's to help

DMAc and Jordan are good but they are not proven to win on the road.

Last yr's embarrassing 3 losses 65-40, 71-18, and 65-30 are still on everyone's mind.

Elder will win the GCL, I heard Moe's big man is maybe out for the yr. Is this true McKenzie???

[gonefishing]

vondie may be the best PURE shooter in the state. he has just been playing behind some really good players

[ManofMoe2]

vondie may be the best PURE shooter in the state. he has just been playing behind some really good players

100% agreed

[younmoegrad]

Although I agree LS on paper should win the GCL let's remember Flem is thecoach and in some 18 yrs he has 1 tie, yes 1 tie for the title in 18 yrs.

He could not win the GCL with Austin he only tied with Orr and never won it with either Esterkamp.

I will say LS finishes a distant 3rd due to all the soph's and no Jr 's to help

DMAc and Jordan are good but they are not proven to win on the road.

Last yr's embarrassing 3 losses 65-40, 71-18, and 65-30 are still on everyone's mind.

Elder will win the GCL, I heard Moe's big man is maybe out for the yr. Is this true McKenzie???


Sure hope not?

[ManofMoe2]

Sure hope not?

McKenzie is indeed injured with a back problem. His status for the year is definately unknown as of now, but it is in fact a serious issue. If he is out then Duncan will need to step up big inside, and then we will be an outside shooting team.

[stxbomber43]

1.lasalle
2.elder
3.moeller
4.st.x

Lasalle's Jordan Crawford and Danny McElroy will be hard to stop this year being their Senior year

And Welch might have the upper hand on Stenger just because he's stronger than him

there is a reason uc dropped mcelroy, he has been a bust and will continue to be a bust

[HoopHound]

there is a reason uc dropped mcelroy, he has been a bust and will continue to be a bust

What reason, '43?

[highschoolbball21]

X will continue their theme of being the GCL doormat..first football, now basketball..

1. Moeller
2. Elder
3. Lasalle
4. Saint X

[TheBulldogBarks]

I see that LaSalle's Jordan Crawford committed to Ashland College. He's always been a rocket on the court, and don't leave him open he's a solid shooter from the outside.

[TheFonz]

McKenzie is indeed injured with a back problem. His status for the year is definately unknown as of now, but it is in fact a serious issue. If he is out then Duncan will need to step up big inside, and then we will be an outside shooting team.

Hope Duncan plays basketball better than he catches (or should I say misses) the pigskin.

[Prepfan2008]

Look for a big year out of Duncan, he will be the most improved player in the GCL.

[TheFonz]

Marcus Rush from Moeller is NOT playing this year. He was unhappy so he quit

He did not "quit". He never intended to play this season. This kid is not a quitter. Too bad though, because he could be the best all around basketball player at Moe in that he can handle the ball, penetrate, rebound, shoot from the perimeter, and play vicious D. He is the quintessential GCL player. Hard nosed and physically tough. Football, from what I have heard is his main bag. If Mackenzie is out for the season with back issues, the Crusaders coulda used him.

[Vox Crusada]

What reason, '43?As he said, because he's a bust and will continue to be a bust.
UC dropped him because he's not a Big East player.
Now, they couldn't rescind the scholly offer, so they had a heart to heart with him and told him to go somewhere else and play.
Now, he could have made UC honor the offer and ended up like the fictional character Robby Benson played in the movie "One on One" about 30 years ago.

[T-Bred]

He did not "quit". He never intended to play this season. This kid is not a quitter. Too bad though, because he could be the best all around basketball player at Moe in that he can handle the ball, penetrate, rebound, shoot from the perimeter, and play vicious D. He is the quintessential GCL player. Hard nosed and physically tough. Football, from what I have heard is his main bag. If Mackenzie is out for the season with back issues, the Crusaders coulda used him.

Marcus is a really good football player. His basketball skills are not close to what is outlined in this post.

[TheFonz]

Marcus is a really good football player. His basketball skills are not close to what is outlined in this post.

Only one half of your post made any sense. The second half was absurd.

[T-Bred]

Only one half of your post made any sense. The second half was absurd.

Nothing against Marcus but he played JV as a sophomore. What exactly is behind your hype? Please share some facts that support your post.

[TheFonz]

Nothing against Marcus but he played JV as a sophomore. What exactly is behind your hype? Please share some facts that support your post.

How many sophs played varsity last year in the GCL smartguy? A few. And, at Moeller, a team which spent most weeks at Number 1 in Ohio and 8 in the nation had how many sophs on the roster? Uno. A 6'8" kid who played less minutes than it takes to boil an egg. Simply stated he could handle the ball, rebound, take it to the hole, shoot from the perimeter, and play extremely solid D. He could conceivably play all five positions. How many sophs could have done that last year? He had a solid all around game.

[ManofMoe2]

How many sophs played varsity last year in the GCL smartguy? A few. And, at Moeller, a team which spent most weeks at Number 1 in Ohio and 8 in the nation had how many sophs on the roster? Uno. A 6'8" kid who played less minutes than it takes to boil an egg. Simply stated he could handle the ball, rebound, take it to the hole, shoot from the perimeter, and play extremely solid D. He could conceivably play all five positions. How many sophs could have done that last year? He had a solid all around game.

Moeller had 2 sophomores last year...
Morelock and McKenzie.

Who both dressed Varsity their freshman year for the state playoffs....

[T-Bred]

How many sophs played varsity last year in the GCL smartguy? A few. And, at Moeller, a team which spent most weeks at Number 1 in Ohio and 8 in the nation had how many sophs on the roster? Uno. A 6'8" kid who played less minutes than it takes to boil an egg. Simply stated he could handle the ball, rebound, take it to the hole, shoot from the perimeter, and play extremely solid D. He could conceivably play all five positions. How many sophs could have done that last year? He had a solid all around game.

Where did mighty Moe finish last year ? A beatdown by Trotwood if memory serves me right:shrug: It's your argument that Marcus is the best player at Moeller this year, not mine. It is amazing to me that he went from not being on the team which had two other sophomores, who at least dressed, on it to the best player. That would suggest to me that maybe he would have been ahead of the other two but I digress.Also, how many other highly rated members of the 2010 class were not on their varsity last year. That number would be zero.. It is a very talented class if you haven't notice. Now that the 6'8 do everything kid is hurt, seems like a great time to bring Marcus aboard don't you think? This is my last word on the subject because it is obvious to me that you have no clue. Again, nothing against Marcus but your hype is baseless.

[Moeman10]

we were not beat down by Trotwood, if you were there you would agree with me that it was some of the most pathetic refereeing you've ever seen.

[Moeman10]

Where did mighty Moe finish last year ? A beatdown by Trotwood if memory serves me right:shrug: It's your argument that Marcus is the best player at Moeller this year, not mine. It is amazing to me that he went from not being on the team which had two other sophomores, who at least dressed, on it to the best player. That would suggest to me that maybe he would have been ahead of the other two but I digress.Also, how many other highly rated members of the 2010 class were not on their varsity last year. That number would be zero.. It is a very talented class if you haven't notice. Now that the 6'8 do everything kid is hurt, seems like a great time to bring Marcus aboard don't you think? This is my last word on the subject because it is obvious to me that you have no clue. Again, nothing against Marcus but your hype is baseless.

where did sycamore finish last year?

[TheFonz]

Moeller had 2 sophomores last year...
Morelock and McKenzie.

Who both dressed Varsity their freshman year for the state playoffs....

WINDOWDRESSING_____NEXT.

[TheFonz]

Where did mighty Moe finish last year ? A beatdown by Trotwood if memory serves me right:shrug: It's your argument that Marcus is the best player at Moeller this year, not mine. It is amazing to me that he went from not being on the team which had two other sophomores, who at least dressed, on it to the best player. That would suggest to me that maybe he would have been ahead of the other two but I digress.Also, how many other highly rated members of the 2010 class were not on their varsity last year. That number would be zero.. It is a very talented class if you haven't notice. Now that the 6'8 do everything kid is hurt, seems like a great time to bring Marcus aboard don't you think? This is my last word on the subject because it is obvious to me that you have no clue. Again, nothing against Marcus but your hype is baseless.

Not hype..fact. The point was he was the best all around player in the class of 2010. Morelock is a superior ball-handler and a very capable perimeter shooter but his defense is not at parity and he is not a rebounder. McKenzie is 6'8" but is not the rebounder or defender he needs to be. Neither of these two very fine ballplayers can play all 5 positions. Last year, Rush could. That is my point. We are talking total skill package. Capiche?

[Moeman10]

Not hype..fact. The point was he was the best all around player in the class of 2010. Morelock is a superior ball-handler and a very capable perimeter shooter but his defense is not at parity and he is not a rebounder. McKenzie is 6'8" but is not the rebounder or defender he needs to be. Neither of these two very fine ballplayers can play all 5 positions. Last year, Rush could. That is my point. We are talking total skill package. Capiche?

eh.
no
if he was the best. why didn't he even dress varsity last year?

[Prepfan2008]

eh.
no
if he was the best. why didn't he even dress varsity last year?

Because Moeller had a surplus of talent at the small forward position and could not help the team in practice as much as Morelock and McKenzie.

[The Bossman]

has anyone given a starting 5 for lasalle yet? mcelroy, crawford, neel, ?, ?.....i'm gonna guess fleming will start his son...who else?

[TarHealTony]

GCL South should be very competitive this year. Moe will have to overcome missing MacKenzie for a month or so due to his back. Hopefully back in action in January. They will have 2 sophomore's on varsity and they will play not just dress. Overall height/strength will be the key. Guards will carry the day.

LaSalle will have McElroy and a bunch of sophomores who will be road kill against the bigger schools.

Elder will probably be athletic but you never know. Hopefully football will go on and on and those guys won't be in action until February.

X will be young and will get schooled. They need help.

[Pantherboy06]

GCL South should be very competitive this year. Moe will have to overcome missing MacKenzie for a month or so due to his back. Hopefully back in action in January. They will have 2 sophomore's on varsity and they will play not just dress. Overall height/strength will be the key. Guards will carry the day.

LaSalle will have McElroy and a bunch of sophomores who will be road kill against the bigger schools.

Elder will probably be athletic but you never know. Hopefully football will go on and on and those guys won't be in action until February.

X will be young and will get schooled. They need help.

I think you mean January? I think even if they go further, the players will still be on the floor within the first 3 games of the year. Elder needs to find someone who can consistently make an outside shot and free throw.

[stxbomber43]

X will continue their theme of being the GCL doormat..first football, now basketball..

1. Moeller
2. Elder
3. Lasalle
4. Saint X

It's a good thing that there are more sports than football and basketball...
Golf= state champs
Swimming= probable state champs ... has moeller won any state championships this year, or are they expected to.... i didnt think so

[D-Swizzel102]

GCL South should be very competitive this year. Moe will have to overcome missing MacKenzie for a month or so due to his back. Hopefully back in action in January. They will have 2 sophomore's on varsity and they will play not just dress. Overall height/strength will be the key. Guards will carry the day.

LaSalle will have McElroy and a bunch of sophomores who will be road kill against the bigger schools.

Elder will probably be athletic but you never know. Hopefully football will go on and on and those guys won't be in action until February.

X will be young and will get schooled. They need help.

About right.

[HoopHound]

It's a good thing that there are more sports than football and basketball...
Golf= state champs
Swimming= probable state champs ... has moeller won any state championships this year, or are they expected to.... i didnt think so

C'mon, '43...

That is the best you can come back with... in the basketball forum???? :confused:

Unless they introduce sand traps and LOTS of chlorinated water into hoops... your post is pretty lame. ;)

Definitely not up to your usual high standards. :)

[stxbomber43]

C'mon, '43...

That is the best you can come back with... in the basketball forum???? :confused:

Unless they introduce sand traps and LOTS of chlorinated water into hoops... your post is pretty lame. ;)

Definitely not up to your usual high standards. :)
he made a post insinuating that x will "continue being the gcl doormat"... don't know how x can "continue" to be the gcl doormat in sports when they won state in golf... The insinuation that x will be gcl doormat in every sport because they were last in football is absurd and idiotic ....
I am not saying that we won't be last in gcl this year, but give me some substance to why besides "they will continue to be gcl doormat"

[Moeman10]

he made a post insinuating that x will "continue being the gcl doormat"... don't know how x can "continue" to be the gcl doormat in sports when they won state in golf... The insinuation that x will be gcl doormat in every sport because they were last in football is absurd and idiotic ....
I am not saying that we won't be last in gcl this year, but give me some substance to why besides "they will continue to be gcl doormat"
i think he was basing it off of major sports, he's an imbecile for doing so, but oh well :mad:

[TheFonz]

eh.
no
if he was the best. why didn't he even dress varsity last year?

Let's have a chat once you get a handle on how Moeller operates. I said 'best all around', and Moe is all about roles. I don't have the time nor the inclination to explain this nuance. Ask one of your buds who has a clue cuz you do not Cuz.

[TheFonz]

Because Moeller had a surplus of talent at the small forward position and could not help the team in practice as much as Morelock and McKenzie.

BINGO-----PrepFan you get it. When you get a chance take a few minutes and explain this concept to Moejunior. He's a youngster and could use your guidance and insight.

[Moeman10]

Let's have a chat once you get a handle on how Moeller operates. I said 'best all around', and Moe is all about roles. I don't have the time nor the inclination to explain this nuance. Ask one of your buds who has a clue cuz you do not Cuz.

don't call me Cuz, and i understand it better than you....

[GCL BBALL]

My thought is that this legue will be fairly evenly matched with all 4 teams being solid but none being unbelieveable like some of them have the last couple of years. Here are my picks, not trying to start an arguement these are obviously just guesses but here I go:

1) LaSalle- I like that they have both MacElroy and Crawford coming back those two guys should be just about the best two in the league at their respective positions plus a combo of a good guard and good big man is tough to stop. The key might be how quickly their sophomores can produce at the varsity level. The big one Neal, I think, is going to be very good!

2) Elder- may get a slow start cause of a great football season but they have some back and should be very physically tough. Jones and Welch I know come back from their starting line up and a few other returners I think. They always play great defense not too say the other 3 don't but I think that gives them a slight edge over Moeller for the 2 spot.

3) Moeller- they lost alot but will still be very good. They always have a lot of talent and are well coached (great assistant Fred Hesse, used to coach at Badin). The key for them will be how long it takes McKenzie to come back and be effective. I have a hunch he is a little soft even though he is very talented. Duncan is a guy I think who has a lot of ability and could suprise some people this year.

4) St.X- they lost almost there whole team from last season. Stenger is a guy who I think will carry the load for them. Now this team will be down (by their standars) no question but there program is great, they are well coached and there kids are winners so even though I picked them last don't be suprised if they don't finish their or make a tourney run.

I think all 4 teams will be good. I gave LaSalle the edge just because I think they have the most talent. I would not be suprised if Elder or Moeller win it either though, the key will be who can steal some road wins cause all these teams play great at home. Im intrested to see everyones thoughts?!!

[HoopHound]

Let's cut the junior high school namecalling and get back ON TOPIC.

Talking ABOUT GCLS teams works much better than talking AT other posters.

It's seems we have a few "newer" posters that may be "feelin' their oats" a little bit in the forum. The teen-talk grows old quickly, boys... stay on topic OR shut your pie holes.

[Moeman10]

Let's cut the junior high school namecalling and get back ON TOPIC.

Talking ABOUT GCLS teams works much better than talking AT other posters.

It's seems we have a few "newer" posters that may be "feelin' their oats" a little bit in the forum. The teen-talk grows old quickly, boys... stay on topic OR shut your pie holes.

thank you HH

[WestSideBomber]

id like to see anyone in the south try to matchup with fenwick

Man, me too, how'd that 1-13 GCL record feel last season. Fenwick lost 1 more game by themselves in the GCL than the entire GCL-S combined (end all 12 of those losses were to other GCL-S teams).

Sorry HH, I had to.

[Moeman10]

:laugh:

[moefan13]

Well, from reading all the previous posts it seems no one really knows what's going to happen this year? One thing seems to be constant, X stinks. However, being a Moe fan i know this wont be the case. As much as I dislike X, i respect their program. They may not have any stars and they may be young, but they have great coaching. X will win some games this year simply because they are better coached and they want it more.

I'd pick LaSalle last, to be honest with you. Flemming is a horrible coach and gets very little out of his players. McElroy is the perfect example. Once commited to UC as a freshman i believe, he has fallen to BG. Coach Flemming wasnt able to develop this kid into what college coaches thought would be great. Anyways....LaSalle just doesnt have it, ever.

Elder, X and Moe will compete for the title. I honestly know nothing about either X or Elder, except i do know they will play hard and give a ton of effort in every game. Thats why i respect them.

Moeller however, will be much better than people expect. I saw them play in Brewer's event at Moe. They whipped East pretty good. I have no idea if east is any good, but Moe has two very talented sophs. Charlie Byers is a great guard. He will do some damage this year. No, Moe doesnt have any standouts this year, i wouldnt even call Griffin Mackenzie a stand out. Sure he's a big kid, but has he really shown us much yet? He's a good high school player, but i wouldnt consider him great. Would we like to have him on the floor? Sure, but what i've seen is a nice group of about 10 guys that can play good minutes. They all play hard, they play great defense, and they all hit the floor for loose balls. Their defense created easy buckets on the offensive side of the floor. Duncan will need to play well but he has nice size. Stamper is a nice heady player as well. Not flashy, but hes a big guard who can defend bigger players as well as handle the ball. I see him as a match up problem for some teams. Moe has good guard play, good shooters and enough big guys to defend and rebound. If they play well as a team, watch out, they may surprise us again!

[NorrisHopper30]

Moeller's defense will win the GCL this year.

[Jhubbs77]

Well, from reading all the previous posts it seems no one really knows what's going to happen this year? One thing seems to be constant, X stinks. However, being a Moe fan i know this wont be the case. As much as I dislike X, i respect their program. They may not have any stars and they may be young, but they have great coaching. X will win some games this year simply because they are better coached and they want it more.

I'd pick LaSalle last, to be honest with you. Flemming is a horrible coach and gets very little out of his players. McElroy is the perfect example. Once commited to UC as a freshman i believe, he has fallen to BG. Coach Flemming wasnt able to develop this kid into what college coaches thought would be great. Anyways....LaSalle just doesnt have it, ever.

Elder, X and Moe will compete for the title. I honestly know nothing about either X or Elder, except i do know they will play hard and give a ton of effort in every game. Thats why i respect them.

Moeller however, will be much better than people expect. I saw them play in Brewer's event at Moe. They whipped East pretty good. I have no idea if east is any good, but Moe has two very talented sophs. Charlie Byers is a great guard. He will do some damage this year. No, Moe doesnt have any standouts this year, i wouldnt even call Griffin Mackenzie a stand out. Sure he's a big kid, but has he really shown us much yet? He's a good high school player, but i wouldnt consider him great. Would we like to have him on the floor? Sure, but what i've seen is a nice group of about 10 guys that can play good minutes. They all play hard, they play great defense, and they all hit the floor for loose balls. Their defense created easy buckets on the offensive side of the floor. Duncan will need to play well but he has nice size. Stamper is a nice heady player as well. Not flashy, but hes a big guard who can defend bigger players as well as handle the ball. I see him as a match up problem for some teams. Moe has good guard play, good shooters and enough big guys to defend and rebound. If they play well as a team, watch out, they may surprise us again!

I know nothing about Elder or X, but I pick La Salle last. Good insight

[4XL]

X surprised me last night against McNick-- they had more than I thought they would... yes, Stenger is far and away the best guy-- if he's assertive, and avoids fouls, he could be a real force in the league this year... but X had two other kids that showed they could score-- Massa can hit from the outside (and he's 6'5", so he should be able to get his shot off, though he shoots it from a very low release point), and Longi really drove the ball well... X is better than I thought they would be.

[x1062]

they usually are.

[GUNZ148]

anyone who puts LaSalle third in the GCL south is just wrong. LaSalle has already manhandled Elder and will most probably do the same to Moeller and X. LaSalle's has also has three sophomores that look like thay will be able to lead the team after Crawford and McElroy leave.

[GUNZ148]

What does moeller's lineup look like this year?

[NorrisHopper30]

anyone who puts LaSalle third in the GCL south is just wrong. LaSalle has already manhandled Elder and will most probably do the same to Moeller and X. LaSalle's has also has three sophomores that look like thay will be able to lead the team after Crawford and McElroy leave.

LaSalle wins a GCL-S game and their "fans" return to Yappi!

[NorrisHopper30]

What does moeller's lineup look like this year?

Small and fast, great defense. Not much offense, the offense feeds off of turnovers and defensive play.

[GUNZ148]

Small and fast, great defense. Not much offense, the offense feeds off of turnovers and defensive play.

Do they have any height?

[NorrisHopper30]

Do they have any height?

Not much at all. 3 starters under 6'.

[Wheelman]

Griffin McKenzie, 6'8" 205 lbs. jr. forward.
I heard he was being reevaluated today and things were looking good going into the reevaluation.

[NorrisHopper30]

Griffin McKenzie, 6'8" 205 lbs. jr. forward.
I heard he was being reevaluated today and things were looking good going into the reevaluation.

Hopefully that works out, this team is missing a true big man.

[Jhubbs77]

anyone who puts LaSalle third in the GCL south is just wrong. LaSalle has already manhandled Elder and will most probably do the same to Moeller and X. LaSalle's has also has three sophomores that look like thay will be able to lead the team after Crawford and McElroy leave.

Don't talk out your --- man. I'm obviously rooting for La Salle to win GCL this year but they aren't going to do anything resembling "manhandling" Moeller. They're definitely better than X and Elder therefore anything less than 2nd place is completely unacceptable

[CinciSportsNut]

Jan 9th. can't come soon enough.

[GUNZ148]

Don't talk out your --- man. I'm obviously rooting for La Salle to win GCL this year but they aren't going to do anything resembling "manhandling" Moeller. They're definitely better than X and Elder therefore anything less than 2nd place is completely unacceptable

well according to other Moeller fans (assuming you are one) you guys have no offense. Defense may win championships in football, but in basketball that really isn't the case. We've got a good offense and a decent defense. And apparently Moeller has a good defense but a bad offense.

[mbgumby28]

well according to other Moeller fans (assuming you are one) you guys have no offense. Defense may win championships in football, but in basketball that really isn't the case. We've got a good offense and a decent defense. And apparently Moeller has a good defense but a bad offense.


Actually no, we have many guys that are threats outside and inside the arc. We also have a great defense. Defense does win championships in basketball.:thumb:

[GUNZ148]

Actually no, we have many guys that are threats outside and inside the arc. We also have a great defense. Defense does win championships in basketball.:thumb:

how can two moeller fans have such different opinoins?

[mbgumby28]

how can two moeller fans have such different opinoins?


1. Who is the other Moeller fan?

2. Opinions don't matter, let the record (actually the scores) show Moeller has a good offense.

[tucker]

doesn't the mckenzie kid like to shoot outside a lot?

[NorrisHopper30]

well according to other Moeller fans (assuming you are one) you guys have no offense. Defense may win championships in football, but in basketball that really isn't the case. We've got a good offense and a decent defense. And apparently Moeller has a good defense but a bad offense.

Ask the '07 St Edwards team if offense wins championships.

[Fightingfor7crusader]

GUNZ, Jhubbs is one of your own, a LaSalle fan. Take some time to love and embrace your brethren.