Federal League

[starktops]

uh yeah! i thought the question was about the tournament. you did not ask about the overall federal league champion. i just figured everyone understood the explanation that PP just gave above. they have been doing this for every year they have had the tournament. the fed does it in multiple sports (from what i understand). i am not saying anything is the best way it can be. i am just trying to understand what was written. i think what i wrote was correct. my question still stands. what would you like to see?

[starktops]

i read PP again, and it does not seem right. any verification. (Step 1) reg and tourney??? i am ready to apologize for any number of reasons.

[McK93]

i read PP again, and it does not seem right. any verification. (Step 1) reg and tourney??? i am ready to apologize for any number of reasons.PP's post is exactly right. What are you apologizing for anyhow?

[polar_purple]

i read PP again, and it does not seem right. any verification. (Step 1) reg and tourney??? i am ready to apologize for any number of reasons.

Allow me to show you the example from last year:

1. Perry (17 total pts): after ten FL games, they were a perfect 10-0, including winning the tourney. Thus, they got nine points from being #1 in the regular season, plus eight points from winning the tourney. 9+8=17.

2. Hoover (14): after ten games, they were 7-3 and were the tourney runner-ups. They received seven points from being #2 overall and another seven points from being tourney #2. 7+7=14.

3. Jackson (11): after ten games, they were 6-4, tied for third place w/two other teams, and were tourney #3. They received five points for being tied w/3 others teams at 6-4 ((6+5+4)/3) overall and six points for being #3 in the tourney. 6+5=11.

4. GlenOak (9): after ten games, they were tied at 6-4 w/the two other teams and were tourney #5. They received five points for being tied at #3 overall (same formula as Jackson) and four points for being tourney #5. 5+4=9.

And so on.....

[BigBulldog]

Shady... I did this quickly. I think the numbers are accurate...

Hoover 3-0
GlenOak 3-0
McKinley 2-1
Jackson 2-1
Lake 1-2
Perry 1-2
Boardman 0-3
Fitch 0-4

With the win over the Pups, Hoover is certainly in the driver's seat. GlenOak is right there too, and McK and Jackson are FAR from being out of it. Still LOTS of FL hoops to be played. :shrug:

McKinley has already played Hoover and Jackson.And only have GlenOak left to play of the big four.The pups are sitting pretty good.And there "only loss" was in OT.Jackson and Hoover were both supposed to wax McKinley in pre-season talk.The Bulldogs were supposed to be in 4th or 5th place.Well,it looks like the rest of the Fed are going to be playing Bulldogs not "pups" this year.:hello:

[HoopsRGreat]

McKinley has already played Hoover and Jackson.And only have GlenOak left to play of the big four.The pups are sitting pretty good.And there "only loss" was in OT.Jackson and Hoover were both supposed to wax McKinley in pre-season talk.The Bulldogs were supposed to be in 4th or 5th place.Well,it looks like the rest of the Fed are going to be playing Bulldogs not "pups" this year.:hello:


The Pups are growing as a team with every game. No one is going to jump on McK come tourney time. They are young and have a lot to look forward to.

[just a fan]

sorry i do not quite get the conference tourney comment. if you take the standings at the end of conference play and seed 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, and 4 plays 5. winners advance and the tournament champion wins all their games...... what is it you would like to see?

I'll try to explain......I think the Federal League champion is weighted too heavily toward the team that finishes in first place after the regular season.

There is something wrong when a team that finishes 2nd in the regular season standings, and beats the team that finished first in the standings in the Fed tournament championship game, has no chance to win the Federal League. Especially when the teams only play each other once during the regular season.

There is something wrong when a team can decide not to play in the tournament championship game and still win the Federal League! It's like the Fed tournament is just a way to give the teams more games to play. :shrug:

All of that said, I have no idea what happens when 3-4 teams tie for first at the end of the regular season.

[HoopsRGreat]

I'll try to explain......I think the Federal League champion is weighted too heavily toward the team that finishes in first place after the regular season.

There is something wrong when a team that finishes 2nd in the regular season standings, and beats the team that finished first in the standings in the Fed tournament championship game, has no chance to win the Federal League. Especially when the teams only play each other once during the regular season.

There is something wrong when a team can decide not to play in the tournament championship game and still win the Federal League! It's like the Fed tournament is just a way to give the teams more games to play. :shrug:

All of that said, I have no idea what happens when 3-4 teams tie for first at the end of the regular season.

Then it is sorted out by who beat who and or point differential. It is almost impossible to make it totally fair. Someone will always be unhappy.

[just a fan]

Then it is sorted out by who beat who and or point differential. It is almost impossible to make it totally fair. Someone will always be unhappy.

To me, it's not a matter of whether or not people are happy. I agree, someone will always be unhappy. But, my question is what is the value of the tournament.....what does it accomplish that the regular season doesn't accomplish? Especially when, if I'm not mistaken, tournament seeds are determined before the Fed tournament is over.

[y2h]

To me, it's not a matter of whether or not people are happy. I agree, someone will always be unhappy. But, my question is what is the value of the tournament.....what does it accomplish that the regular season doesn't accomplish? Especially when, if I'm not mistaken, tournament seeds are determined before the Fed tournament is over.

it accomplishes exactly what you said...fills out the schedule...remember Mckinley did not want to play home and away in the Fed as most leagues do...hence the Fed tourny

[just a fan]

it accomplishes exactly what you said...fills out the schedule...remember Mckinley did not want to play home and away in the Fed as most leagues do...hence the Fed tourny

I do remember that McKinley didn't want to play home and away in the Fed. I also remember that the ADs (or whoever) of the Fed schools agreed to that. I'm not sure why, but they did.

But, last time I checked, it was possible to fill a schedule via methods other than a meaningless conference tournament. After all, not all conferences have a conference tournament yet the teams in those conferences find a way to get 20 games in.

My sarcasm aside, I just wish that the Fed would do away with the tournament and have all teams schedule more non-conference games. Heck, if they want, they can schedule a non-conference game against a Fed opponent.

[BIG ED]

The league's tournament is a BIG money maker. The league has a nice "stash" in it's coffers. It's all about the Benjamin's people.

[HoopsRGreat]

To me, it's not a matter of whether or not people are happy. I agree, someone will always be unhappy. But, my question is what is the value of the tournament.....what does it accomplish that the regular season doesn't accomplish? Especially when, if I'm not mistaken, tournament seeds are determined before the Fed tournament is over.

My sentiments exactly, I feel the home\home schedule will go further towards a teams improvent. I do believe though that the Federal League chose to go this way to entice McK in to the league. MckK wanted to have more space on their schedule for tough non-conference games couple that ith less travel fto and from Youngstown area.

[McK93]

My sentiments exactly, I feel the home\home schedule will go further towards a teams improvent. I do believe though that the Federal League chose to go this way to entice McK in to the league. MckK wanted to have more space on their schedule for tough non-conference games couple that ith less travel fto and from Youngstown area.Exactly.

[Shady29]

A home and home would make a lot of sense and eliminate the FL tourney. Home and home would really prove who the champion of the league is.
Boardman gets a nice road win over Hudson 2night at Hudson. 77-73. Pesta explodes for 33 in a big shooting game for him. Boardman needs to beat Fitch on friday to stay above water in the Fed.

[just a fan]

The league's tournament is a BIG money maker. The league has a nice "stash" in it's coffers. It's all about the Benjamin's people.

Well, couldn't the league tournament make money and have value?

Which would make more money a title game in which the winner of the conference has already been decided or a title game that actually determines the winner of the conference?

[6kings]

The tournament has been somewhat anticlimactic since it's inception basically because there have been no upsets. I like the idea of a league tournament, but I'd like to see it weighted the same as the regular season. Winning the regular season is important enough as it rewards a team with high seeds and home games early in the tourney.

[Shady29]

The tournament has been somewhat anticlimactic since it's inception basically because there have been no upsets.

Boardman (7 seed) upsets Lake (2 seed) last year in the first round...I'm not one for the tourney, but there have been a few here and there. A Home and home would be more fair and depict the true champion of the league, instead of this point system.