Southwest Ohio D-1 Poll

[jakethesnake11]

Give your top 10 teams in Southwest Ohio this season in D-1.

Centerville
Princeton
Middletown
Moeller
Xavier
Winton Woods
Elder
Trotwood
Loveland
LaSalle

[HoopHound]

I gotta do WAY more reading and studying before I'm willing to throw out my picks, Jake. :)

But I'm anxious to hear what some of the SWO gurus are thinking at this point in the pre-season. :cool:

[NorrisHopper30]

I can only do 3 at this point..

1) Moeller
2) Princeton
3) Elder

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

I gotta do WAY more reading and studying before I'm willing to throw out my picks, Jake. :)

But I'm anxious to hear what some of the SWO gurus are thinking at this point in the pre-season. :cool:

Wellllll.......while I do realize it's a reloading year for Withrow, I am VERY curious to know why The 'Row was left off this particular list given the fact that our JV did beat Moeller, WW and was used HEAVILY against LaSalle LY in scrimmage wins.....:angel: :) Just a question...not a prediction, mind you. :cool:

[HoopHound]

Wellllll.......while I do realize it's a reloading year for Withrow, I am VERY curious to know why The 'Row was left off this particular list given the fact that our JV did beat Moeller, WW and was used HEAVILY against LaSalle LY in scrimmage wins.....:angel: :) Just a question...not a prediction, mind you. :cool:

Where do you think Withrow might be at this point on Jake's list, BB4?

Or should I ask that Ivy-Leaguer-to-be in your house where the 'Row belongs? He might just know more than his Pappy!!! ;) :D

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Where do you think Withrow might be at this point on Jake's list, BB4?

Or should I ask that Ivy-Leaguer-to-be in your house where the 'Row belongs? He might just know more than his Pappy!!! ;) :D

:laugh: :laugh: WE'D BOTH put 'em before WW and LaSalle, fo' sho'. :thumb:

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

I can only do 3 at this point..

1) Moeller
2) Princeton
3) Elder

And to this point I would agree, except I'd flip Princeton and Moe and know that Middletown muddles everything else. :)

[Impala Drive]

Princeton
Moeller
Centerville
Wayne
Loveland
Middletown
Elder
Mason
:shrug:
:shrug:

[Eezy as 123]

Aiken should be pretty good.

[South Bend Central]

Barring transfers, Withrow shouldnt be even close to the top 10

[Purplematt]

I gotta do WAY more reading and studying before I'm willing to throw out my picks, Jake. :)

But I'm anxious to hear what some of the SWO gurus are thinking at this point in the pre-season. :cool:


I have done my reading Hound :cool: How have you been my friend?

Anyway:

Princeton - Sibert and the boys too fast and too good...too loaded. This is clearly the team to beat.
Centerville - Kavanaugh will have them back near the top
Middletown - If they can stay injury free, they could be #1 - they finally have the post defender they have lacked.
Moeller - Always solid and will again be near the top
Aiken - Chane alone puts them in the top five
Xavier
Winton Woods
Elder
Loveland
Trotwood


Didnt add Withrow because I just dont see them in the top ten. The Middies have everyone back, except Barnett, but added Kirby Wright, 6-7. When they play Princeton, that could be the game of the year in SW Ohio.

[JElder]

Wellllll.......while I do realize it's a reloading year for Withrow, I am VERY curious to know why The 'Row was left off this particular list given the fact that our JV did beat Moeller, WW and was used HEAVILY against LaSalle LY in scrimmage wins.....:angel: :) Just a question...not a prediction, mind you. :cool:

Withrow is really down this year, I think 12-8 would be a fantastic season!

[JElder]

Give your top 10 teams in Southwest Ohio this season in D-1.

Centerville
Princeton
Middletown
Moeller
Xavier
Winton Woods
Elder
Trotwood
Loveland
LaSalle

X is way down this year and not even close to a top 5 team. They may not be a top 10 team. WW isn't very good outside of (brain fart can't think of his name). I like Centerville at #1, need to move Elder up to #5 and X down to #10 or so.

[StXFootball02]

i agree st x will be nowhere near the top 5 in southwest ohio this year. people voting them that high just dont have a clue about their roster for next season.

1. princeton
2. centerville
3. moeller
4. elder
5. tossup - could be middletown, aiken, wayne

[JElder]

i agree st x will be nowhere near the top 5 in southwest ohio this year. people voting them that high just dont have a clue about their roster for next season.

1. princeton
2. centerville
3. moeller
4. elder
5. tossup - could be middletown, aiken, wayne

On paper Middletown is better than Elder and Moe....

[Don Flamenco]

I think it will be something like this.

Top 5:

1. Middletown
2. Centerville
3. Princeton
4. Moeller
5. Elder

[JElder]

I think it will be something like this.

Top 5:

1. Middletown
2. Centerville
3. Princeton
4. Moeller
5. Elder

Agreed! I have Centerville ahead of Middletown though.

[voice_of_reason]

I have seen poster give reason why they rank the top five, but people are just putting their favorite teams in the second five. Why Trottwood, Elder, X or WW? What do either of these teams have coming back?

[StXFootball02]

I have seen poster give reason why they rank the top five, but people are just putting their favorite teams in the second five. Why Trottwood, Elder, X or WW? What do either of these teams have coming back?

elder has 3 starters back and i could be wrong but didnt the senior class this year for them go 19-1 on jv 2 years ago and that was without josh jones who played up on varsity?

[JElder]

elder has 3 starters back and i could be wrong but didnt the senior class this year for them go 19-1 on jv 2 years ago and that was without josh jones who played up on varsity?

They went 16-1 (winning the GCL) with their only loss coming to X 52-48...

[StXFootball02]

They went 16-1 (winning the GCL) with their only loss coming to X 52-48...

jeez they cant even get a full schedule for their lower level basketball teams either?

[Eezy as 123]

Barring transfers, Withrow shouldnt be even close to the top 10

I agree. Remember Withrow before Yancy, McBride, Grimes, Troy Long, and the rest transferred in? Yuck!

Shroder just might be the team to beat in the CMAC. :laugh: ;)

[JElder]

jeez they cant even get a full schedule for their lower level basketball teams either?

I'm sorry, they were actually 17-1, the Colerain and Alter games were cancelled late in the year due to snow. Elder already had the GCL won so the Alter game wasn't made up.

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

I agree. Remember Withrow before Yancy, McBride, Grimes, Troy Long, and the rest transferred in? Yuck!

Shroder just might be the team to beat in the CMAC. :laugh: ;)

You're a fine one to talk about TRANSFERS, EZ.....:laugh: :laugh:

Oh...and FTR, McBride and company had ALL been at Withrow since 9th grade. The only late transfers were Yancey, Grimes and Long. Additionally, the PROGRAM has its ebbs and flows but still manages to squeak out a winning season. AAAAND, I will add that YOUR CURRENT COACH had MAJOR TALENT at Withrow, but for WHATEVER REASON, couldn't get out of the tourney...so about that YUCK, again? :stirthepot:

Open mouth, insert BOTH FEET, ANKLES, CALF MUSCLES.....KNEECAPS.....:laugh: :laugh:

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Withrow is really down this year, I think 12-8 would be a fantastic season!

It is a reloading season, no doubt. But, I think you may be surprised come hoop season. I'll leave it at that. :angel: :cool:

[jakethesnake11]

Middies have chemistry and coaching problems. They have under acheived since Ronaie has arrived I don't see them putting the pieces together now. They are still a peremeter team and they will not put Edwards inside where he has to go to give them a low post scorer. No move in from always underacheiving Lakota East will change this team.

Elder is getting way to much credit for 3 starters back, they lost the franchise in Rudolph and they are not replacing him. Besides they lost to Wayne???

Centerville and Princeton are in the cat bird seats. I saw the games this summer when Princeton was at full strength and Centerville had them down big in both games without Replogle. Both teams are tough and they will have to split up one going to Columbus to take on a much over hyped Columbus Northland and the other slug it out in the toughest region in the state southwest Ohio.

St. X will be there no matter what you want to wish they are young and highly skilled and used to winning. You forget that many of the top tier teams esspecially the GCL stockpiles players don't under estimate.

Moeller blew it last year and they may have a confidence problem they need their center to come through big time and prove he can play physical. They have some quickness and I think they will try to press and be a defensive team if you handle the pressure you can score on them. But it won't be easy.

Trotwood lost Gainey to Thurgood Marshall and picked up potential attitude problem in Winn (dismissed from Dunbars team at least once last year) He plays a position with a two year starter returning (Thomas) who Baker will probably sit down. Chemestry could be a problem, Robinson is a talent but guys no one is offering him. He lacks consistency and can't carry the Rams.
How good will Baker be? Will he be???

I think Withrow and Aiken are poorly coached with new guys and you don't beat the heavy weights with these guys on the bench. Nice job Central Office???

Loveland lacks team organization (can't make Capabianco do what he has to do for them to win) His need to showoff with the three kills their team, I saw him go 0 for 9 in a game from the three last year. He won't play inside and they play way to loose a game to beat the good teams in a pressure situation esspecially if like last year Wosniak has to bring the ball up court vs. pressure.

LaSalle will probably shoot themselves in the foot again with Fleming's gun, but four years ago they were the peoples' choice to be the big dog their senior year. McElroy and their point guard on a given day can beat anyone but the given days have been far and few between as LaSalle continues to fight themselves more then the opposition.

Wayne is too young and too skinny.
Fairmont should be much improved but their is a reason they have been as bad as they have for so long..........program..program...program?
Oak Hills not enough.

Winton Woods has some fireworks but never seem to play anyone and so they are never quite tough enough for the tourney, but they have some talent.

Just my thoughts bring on the debate????

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Middies have chemistry and coaching problems. They have under acheived since Ronaie has arrived I don't see them putting the pieces together now. They are still a peremeter team and they will not put Edwards inside where he has to go to give them a low post scorer. No move in from always underacheiving Lakota East will change this team.

Elder is getting way to much credit for 3 starters back, they lost the franchise in Rudolph and they are not replacing him. Besides they lost to Wayne???

Centerville and Princeton are in the cat bird seats. I saw the games this summer when Princeton was at full strength and Centerville had them down big in both games without Replogle. Both teams are tough and they will have to split up one going to Columbus to take on a much over hyped Columbus Northland and the other slug it out in the toughest region in the state southwest Ohio.

St. X will be there no matter what you want to wish they are young and highly skilled and used to winning. You forget that many of the top tier teams esspecially the GCL stockpiles players don't under estimate.

Moeller blew it last year and they may have a confidence problem they need their center to come through big time and prove he can play physical. They have some quickness and I think they will try to press and be a defensive team if you handle the pressure you can score on them. But it won't be easy.

Trotwood lost Gainey to Thurgood Marshall and picked up potential attitude problem in Winn (dismissed from Dunbars team at least once last year) He plays a position with a two year starter returning (Thomas) who Baker will probably sit down. Chemestry could be a problem, Robinson is a talent but guys no one is offering him. He lacks consistency and can't carry the Rams.
How good will Baker be? Will he be???

I think Withrow and Aiken are poorly coached with new guys and you don't beat the heavy weights with these guys on the bench. Nice job Central Office???

Loveland lacks team organization (can't make Capabianco do what he has to do for them to win) His need to showoff with the three kills their team, I saw him go 0 for 9 in a game from the three last year. He won't play inside and they play way to loose a game to beat the good teams in a pressure situation esspecially if like last year Wosniak has to bring the ball up court vs. pressure.

LaSalle will probably shoot themselves in the foot again with Fleming's gun, but four years ago they were the peoples' choice to be the big dog their senior year. McElroy and their point guard on a given day can beat anyone but the given days have been far and few between as LaSalle continues to fight themselves more then the opposition.

Wayne is too young and too skinny.
Fairmont should be much improved but their is a reason they have been as bad as they have for so long..........program..program...program?
Oak Hills not enough.

Winton Woods has some fireworks but never seem to play anyone and so they are never quite tough enough for the tourney, but they have some talent.

Just my thoughts bring on the debate????

I think you're spot on with your commentary except for Withrow and Aiken. First off, Coach Leon is a battle-tested coach having been part of a state championship winning team (Woodward) and making several appearances himself. Additionally---he took a supposed marginally talented Clark team deep into the tourney LY, so, I wouldn't call him a "poor coach." It will remain to be seen what he does with the Aiken team. He definitely has hella talent with Bohannon, Goodsen and crew.

On new Coach McDaniel---former Jr. college coach with a very successful record. It will be interesting to see what he does with the new kids coming through the ranks. Withrow has some SEEEEERIOUS talent and I would venture to say that this young crew plays much better TEAM ball than the all-stars from LY. But again...we'll SEE. :cool:

[Purplematt]

Middies have chemistry and coaching problems. They have under acheived since Ronaie has arrived I don't see them putting the pieces together now. They are still a peremeter team and they will not put Edwards inside where he has to go to give them a low post scorer. No move in from always underacheiving Lakota East will change this team.

Elder is getting way to much credit for 3 starters back, they lost the franchise in Rudolph and they are not replacing him. Besides they lost to Wayne???

Centerville and Princeton are in the cat bird seats. I saw the games this summer when Princeton was at full strength and Centerville had them down big in both games without Replogle. Both teams are tough and they will have to split up one going to Columbus to take on a much over hyped Columbus Northland and the other slug it out in the toughest region in the state southwest Ohio.

St. X will be there no matter what you want to wish they are young and highly skilled and used to winning. You forget that many of the top tier teams esspecially the GCL stockpiles players don't under estimate.

Moeller blew it last year and they may have a confidence problem they need their center to come through big time and prove he can play physical. They have some quickness and I think they will try to press and be a defensive team if you handle the pressure you can score on them. But it won't be easy.

Trotwood lost Gainey to Thurgood Marshall and picked up potential attitude problem in Winn (dismissed from Dunbars team at least once last year) He plays a position with a two year starter returning (Thomas) who Baker will probably sit down. Chemestry could be a problem, Robinson is a talent but guys no one is offering him. He lacks consistency and can't carry the Rams.
How good will Baker be? Will he be???

I think Withrow and Aiken are poorly coached with new guys and you don't beat the heavy weights with these guys on the bench. Nice job Central Office???

Loveland lacks team organization (can't make Capabianco do what he has to do for them to win) His need to showoff with the three kills their team, I saw him go 0 for 9 in a game from the three last year. He won't play inside and they play way to loose a game to beat the good teams in a pressure situation esspecially if like last year Wosniak has to bring the ball up court vs. pressure.

LaSalle will probably shoot themselves in the foot again with Fleming's gun, but four years ago they were the peoples' choice to be the big dog their senior year. McElroy and their point guard on a given day can beat anyone but the given days have been far and few between as LaSalle continues to fight themselves more then the opposition.

Wayne is too young and too skinny.
Fairmont should be much improved but their is a reason they have been as bad as they have for so long..........program..program...program?
Oak Hills not enough.

Winton Woods has some fireworks but never seem to play anyone and so they are never quite tough enough for the tourney, but they have some talent.

Just my thoughts bring on the debate????


Ok, Ill debate your thoughts on Middletown. First, I'm around there every day, what chemistry problems are you talking about? Every team that has 3 scorers have chemistry issues because they all want to shoot the ball. But those kids are like family, they get along great. Second, the transfer from East isnt just simple transfer, Kirby (6-7) will be a dominant post player and defender...the one thing this team is lacking - if you havent seen Kirby this summer, then you cant compare him to any old transfer. He went through summer school and is good to go. Last, everyone complains about Bill Edwards playing outside - but they arent complaining when he is breaking other teams presses out front with his ball handling and court vision. Bill is NOT a post player. Yes, he is big, yes, he is a good rebounder (lead the GMC), but he is a 3 or 4. He creates huge mismatches out there. But to insinuate he doesnt go inside is crazy. He went inside when it mattered.

Middletown beat Princeton once last year with no post player. Princeton beat Centerville with Kavanaugh. If you dont think the Middies can beat either of those teams, I think you are mistaken.

I just dont see the chemistry problems you refer to.....respect your opinion. You gave an excellent thought out analysis....keep up the good work.

[Daddy]

I have done my reading Hound :cool: How have you been my friend?

Anyway:

Princeton - Sibert and the boys too fast and too good...too loaded. This is clearly the team to beat.
Centerville - Kavanaugh will have them back near the top
Middletown - If they can stay injury free, they could be #1 - they finally have the post defender they have lacked.
Moeller - Always solid and will again be near the top
Aiken - Chane alone puts them in the top five
Xavier
Winton Woods
Elder
Loveland
Trotwood


Didnt add Withrow because I just dont see them in the top ten. The Middies have everyone back, except Barnett, but added Kirby Wright, 6-7. When they play Princeton, that could be the game of the year in SW Ohio.

If Chane is good enough to put Aiken in the top 5, then Darren Goodson (Bowling Green commit - about 18 ppg. last year) is good enough to boost them to the top 3.

I've mentioned this in other threads - He may be the most underrated player in the Greater Cincinnati area this year. Playing with a man-child like Chane will do that, but Goodson is a legit 6'4", solid body, nice mid-range game, and finishes with strength around the rim.

[HoopHound]

I have done my reading Hound :cool: How have you been my friend?...

I'm doing well, Matt... Thanks!! :)

I'm just trying to bone-up on my SWO hoops-studies with only twelve weeks until the regular season "finals" test!! :eek: I'm tryin' to get my brain around the various player movements, and then plug that into the returnees and what improvemets we all can expect from them. :confused:

Between the Middies, Princeton, Centerville, and the "usual suspects" from the GCLS... this oughtta be a hum-dinger of a year for SWO hoops. :crush:

I'm just gonna continue to read more and hopefully be up-to-speed by the first tip-off!!

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

If Chane is good enough to put Aiken in the top 5, then Darren Goodson (Bowling Green commit - about 18 ppg. last year) is good enough to boost them to the top 3.

I've mentioned this in other threads - He may be the most underrated player in the Greater Cincinnati area this year. Playing with a man-child like Chane will do that, but Goodson is a legit 6'4", solid body, nice mid-range game, and finishes with strength around the rim.

COMPLETELY AGREED. Too many people MISTAKINGLY sleep on Goodsen.... :cool:

[LovelandMiddie]

Ok, Ill debate your thoughts on Middletown. First, I'm around there every day, what chemistry problems are you talking about? Every team that has 3 scorers have chemistry issues because they all want to shoot the ball. But those kids are like family, they get along great. Second, the transfer from East isnt just simple transfer, Kirby (6-7) will be a dominant post player and defender...the one thing this team is lacking - if you havent seen Kirby this summer, then you cant compare him to any old transfer. He went through summer school and is good to go. Last, everyone complains about Bill Edwards playing outside - but they arent complaining when he is breaking other teams presses out front with his ball handling and court vision. Bill is NOT a post player. Yes, he is big, yes, he is a good rebounder (lead the GMC), but he is a 3 or 4. He creates huge mismatches out there. But to insinuate he doesnt go inside is crazy. He went inside when it mattered.

Middletown beat Princeton once last year with no post player. Princeton beat Centerville with Kavanaugh. If you dont think the Middies can beat either of those teams, I think you are mistaken.

I just dont see the chemistry problems you refer to.....respect your opinion. You gave an excellent thought out analysis....keep up the good work.

I agree with your insight.... there are no chemistry problems with this team. They play very well together and are only getting better.:thumb: :thumb:

[Eezy as 123]

You're a fine one to talk about TRANSFERS, EZ.....:laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, so? Just stating a fact.

Oh...and FTR, McBride and company had ALL been at Withrow since 9th grade. The only late transfers were Yancey, Grimes and Long. Additionally, the PROGRAM has its ebbs and flows but still manages to squeak out a winning season. AAAAND, I will add that YOUR CURRENT COACH had MAJOR TALENT at Withrow, but for WHATEVER REASON, couldn't get out of the tourney...so about that YUCK, again? :stirthepot:

Didn't Withrow's coach come when Yancy came?

Yeah, a winning season, what? 11-9? Just playing, or am I? ;)

Thank God he isn't coaching at the D1 level, huh? :hello:

Open mouth, insert BOTH FEET, ANKLES, CALF MUSCLES.....KNEECAPS.....:laugh: :laugh:

Ok, I won't state the truth anymore. :shrug: I'll just start making stuff up.

[HoopHound]

.... :shrug: I'll just start making stuff up.

You mean you haven't been making all this stuff up the last couple years... and it's all been true??? :eek: :eek:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Juuuuust messin' with you, Eez!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

;)

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Yeah, so? Just stating a fact.



Didn't Withrow's coach come when Yancy came?

Yeah, a winning season, what? 11-9? Just playing, or am I? ;)

Thank God he isn't coaching at the D1 level, huh? :hello:



Ok, I won't state the truth anymore. :shrug: I'll just start making stuff up.

Dude...at this point, you're giving YOURSELF a BJ with the STAGE 20 HOOF-IN-MOUTH disease you have.....:Ohno: :laugh: :laugh:

I don't know WHOSE 11-9 season you speak of, but that certainly was NOT Coach McBride's record either season he was at Withrow. When I spoke of McBride, I was talking about the PLAYER who had been at Withrow since 9th GRADE along with the MAJORITY of the team. And YES, Withrow DID have THREE LATE TRANSFERS compared to the 20+ YOU ACTIVELY POST ABOUT, DAILY.....;) :laugh:

Nevertheless, 'tis a new season upon us and I will not digress. Withrow's HOOP PROGRAM will continue to RELOAD and roll on and GOOD LUCK to Lockland......Radio. :laugh: :laugh:

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

You mean you haven't been making all this stuff up the last couple years... and it's all been true??? :eek: :eek:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Juuuuust messin' with you, Eez!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

;)

:laugh: RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT, HH!

[Eezy as 123]

You mean you haven't been making all this stuff up the last couple years... and it's all been true??? :eek: :eek:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Juuuuust messin' with you, Eez!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

;)

Oh Ha.................Ha

:)

[Eezy as 123]

[/b]
Dude...at this point, you're giving YOURSELF a BJ with the STAGE 20 HOOF-IN-MOUTH disease you have.....:Ohno: :laugh: :laugh:

Name me ONE thing I posted that wasn't true (this should be good).

I don't know WHOSE 11-9 season you speak of, but that certainly was NOT Coach McBride's record either season he was at Withrow. When I spoke of McBride, I was talking about the PLAYER who had been at Withrow since 9th GRADE along with the MAJORITY of the team. And YES, Withrow DID have THREE LATE TRANSFERS compared to the 20+ YOU ACTIVELY POST ABOUT, DAILY.....;) :laugh:

What? You said, "Additionally, the PROGRAM has its ebbs and flows but still manages to squeak out a winning season." And I replied, "Yeah, a winning season, what? 11-9? Just playing, or am I?" How did you get this wrong? I never said Withrow went 11-9, did I? I was just saying that Withrow may have a winning season, but barely. C'mon now...:hello:

Nevertheless, 'tis a new season upon us and I will not digress. Withrow's HOOP PROGRAM will continue to RELOAD and roll on and GOOD LUCK to Lockland......Radio. :laugh: :laugh:

Withrow after Yancy = BigFallin'4theFuture :shrug:

Oh yeah, and we don't need good luck like you all NEED (OOOooo...there's the dagger). Check our resume. Lockland has a better coach NOW AND when Andrews was there, than Withrow.

See the difference between Lockland and Withrow is, you still have homegrown talent contributing a TON. And coaches and players don't transfer because they're blood-sucking vultures feeding off others (i.e. Aiken, NCH back then). Also, Lockland gets players because lack of playing time at their homeschool. You all have kids transferring in from the SAME conference (Long, Grimes, Gates) ANNNND, they're starters, and not just ordinary starters, STARters. C'mon now, I thought the CMAC had BIG-TIME rival games. :shrug: Doesn't seem like it. Especially when Woodward STARters come on over to their "biggest rival", Wethrown (away).

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the CMAC, but I HATE how they do things.

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Name me ONE thing I posted that wasn't true (this should be good).

Too many posts to count and not enough time nor time ZONES in the world....


What? You said, "Additionally, the PROGRAM has its ebbs and flows but still manages to squeak out a winning season." And I replied, "Yeah, a winning season, what? 11-9? Just playing, or am I?" How did you get this wrong? I never said Withrow went 11-9, did I? I was just saying that Withrow may have a winning season, but barely. C'mon now...:hello:

And your Magic 8 Ball shaken and stirred KNOWS this HOW, again?



Withrow after Yancy = BigFallin'4theFuture :shrug:

Oh yeah, and we don't need good luck like you all NEED (OOOooo...there's the dagger). Check our resume. Lockland has a better coach NOW AND when Andrews was there, than Withrow.

RADIO....once AGAIN....you know not of what you ATTEMPT to speak of.
:laugh: I'll let you spend a season with your current coach and holla back at the end of hoop season 2008-09. I'll leave it at that. :cool:


See the difference between Lockland and Withrow is, you still have homegrown talent contributing a TON. And coaches and players don't transfer because they're blood-sucking vultures feeding off others (i.e. Aiken, NCH back then). Also, Lockland gets players because lack of playing time at their homeschool. You all have kids transferring in from the SAME conference (Long, Grimes, Gates) ANNNND, they're starters, and not just ordinary starters, STARters. C'mon now, I thought the CMAC had BIG-TIME rival games. :shrug: Doesn't seem like it.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the CMAC, but I HATE how they do things.

And you just summed it up right there.....thanks for making my point. I soooo LOVE when that happens. :crush: Withrow DOES have HOME GROWN TALENT and DOESN'T HAVE TO RELY on TRANSFERS because there is a PROGRAM...A TRADITION in place that makes kids and parents WANT to come to Withrow and it isn't regulated to sports. Again...you have no clue of what you speak of...quit NOW, while you're NOT ahead....:laugh:

[Eezy as 123]

A TRADITION in place that makes kids and parents WANT to come to Withrow and it isn't regulated to sports.

Riiight...:laugh: Gates, Long, and Grimes transferred because academics were better....

[Eezy as 123]

RADIO....once AGAIN....you know not of what you ATTEMPT to speak of.

Sure I do. Look at Withrow before they ALL came. You're not the only one who watches CMAC.


:laugh: I'll let you spend a season with your current coach and holla back at the end of hoop season 2008-09. I'll leave it at that. :cool:

Sweet. I'll remember that.

By the way, why did Withrow underachieve the past two years with the state's best player, and a GREAT supporting cast?

And your Magic 8 Ball shaken and stirred KNOWS this HOW, again?

Look at where they were before the CMAC all-star team came to Withrow. How much experience does the Withrow coach have under his belt?

And you just summed it up right there.....thanks for making my point. I soooo LOVE when that happens.

How did I make your point?

[T-Bred]

Middies have chemistry and coaching problems. They have under acheived since Ronaie has arrived I don't see them putting the pieces together now. They are still a peremeter team and they will not put Edwards inside where he has to go to give them a low post scorer. No move in from always underacheiving Lakota East will change this team.

Elder is getting way to much credit for 3 starters back, they lost the franchise in Rudolph and they are not replacing him. Besides they lost to Wayne???

Centerville and Princeton are in the cat bird seats. I saw the games this summer when Princeton was at full strength and Centerville had them down big in both games without Replogle. Both teams are tough and they will have to split up one going to Columbus to take on a much over hyped Columbus Northland and the other slug it out in the toughest region in the state southwest Ohio.

St. X will be there no matter what you want to wish they are young and highly skilled and used to winning. You forget that many of the top tier teams esspecially the GCL stockpiles players don't under estimate.

Moeller blew it last year and they may have a confidence problem they need their center to come through big time and prove he can play physical. They have some quickness and I think they will try to press and be a defensive team if you handle the pressure you can score on them. But it won't be easy.

Trotwood lost Gainey to Thurgood Marshall and picked up potential attitude problem in Winn (dismissed from Dunbars team at least once last year) He plays a position with a two year starter returning (Thomas) who Baker will probably sit down. Chemestry could be a problem, Robinson is a talent but guys no one is offering him. He lacks consistency and can't carry the Rams.
How good will Baker be? Will he be???

I think Withrow and Aiken are poorly coached with new guys and you don't beat the heavy weights with these guys on the bench. Nice job Central Office???

Loveland lacks team organization (can't make Capabianco do what he has to do for them to win) His need to showoff with the three kills their team, I saw him go 0 for 9 in a game from the three last year. He won't play inside and they play way to loose a game to beat the good teams in a pressure situation esspecially if like last year Wosniak has to bring the ball up court vs. pressure.

LaSalle will probably shoot themselves in the foot again with Fleming's gun, but four years ago they were the peoples' choice to be the big dog their senior year. McElroy and their point guard on a given day can beat anyone but the given days have been far and few between as LaSalle continues to fight themselves more then the opposition.

Wayne is too young and too skinny.
Fairmont should be much improved but their is a reason they have been as bad as they have for so long..........program..program...program?
Oak Hills not enough.

Winton Woods has some fireworks but never seem to play anyone and so they are never quite tough enough for the tourney, but they have some talent.

Just my thoughts bring on the debate????

Overall, good stuff but........

You are right about Elder. X will not be there because the cupboard is bare and Moe will be average at best. Princeton was never at full strength this summer and Columbus Northland will be a load to handle.

[Purplematt]

If Chane is good enough to put Aiken in the top 5, then Darren Goodson (Bowling Green commit - about 18 ppg. last year) is good enough to boost them to the top 3.

I've mentioned this in other threads - He may be the most underrated player in the Greater Cincinnati area this year. Playing with a man-child like Chane will do that, but Goodson is a legit 6'4", solid body, nice mid-range game, and finishes with strength around the rim.

Excellent point - dead on.

[StXFootball02]

St. X will be there no matter what you want to wish they are young and highly skilled and used to winning.

highly skilled? no they arent.

and couldn't your gcl reloads comment apply to elder since they are in the gcl? i'm confused, first you say they lost everything in rudolph then when talking about st x you say the gcl schools reload? doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

[Past My Prime]

If Chane is good enough to put Aiken in the top 5, then Darren Goodson (Bowling Green commit - about 18 ppg. last year) is good enough to boost them to the top 3.

I've mentioned this in other threads - He may be the most underrated player in the Greater Cincinnati area this year. Playing with a man-child like Chane will do that, but Goodson is a legit 6'4", solid body, nice mid-range game, and finishes with strength around the rim.

I heard 6'7 PF Kenny Knight transferred to Aiken is that true?? If it is true that makes this team even scarier. He is one of the top post players in Cincinnati but hasnt played much school ball yet.

[voice_of_reason]

I heard 6'7 PF Kenny Knight transferred to Aiken is that true?? If it is true that makes this team even scarier. He is one of the top post players in Cincinnati but hasnt played much school ball yet.

Wow if that is true, I think this team could surprise a lot of teams in Ohio. Is there schedule out yet? Are they playing Cols Northland? Finally, does anyone have Aikens roster?

[Eezy as 123]

I heard 6'7 PF Kenny Knight transferred to Aiken is that true?? If it is true that makes this team even scarier. He is one of the top post players in Cincinnati but hasnt played much school ball yet.

Man, Kenny Knight is in it for nothing but himself isn't he? Just like everyone else that transfers in the CMAC. This will be Kenny's third school. :eek: Northwest, Winton Woods, now Aiken. He smelled blood, squocked a few times, circled around, then landed. :laugh: :Ohno: Ohhhh boy.....

If this IS true, the Aiken Vultures will be something else.

[mikeinclifton]

Man, Kenny Knight is in it for nothing but himself isn't he? Just like everyone else that transfers in the CMAC. This will be Kenny's third school. Northwest, Winton Woods, now Aiken. He smelled blood, squocked a few times, circled around, then landed. Ohhhh boy.....

If this IS true, the Aiken Vultures will be something else.

Come on, EZ. If Knight would have transferred to the Lock, your tune would have been different.

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Riiight...:laugh: Gates, Long, and Grimes transferred because academics were better....

They transferred because they, like their PARENTS wanted to BE a STUDENT at Withrow and play together....and this all happened LY, so the discussion is MOOT at this point.

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Come on, EZ. If Knight would have transferred to the Lock, your tune would have been different.

:clap: EXACTLY.

[BigBallin'4theFuture]

Sure I do. Look at Withrow before they ALL came. You're not the only one who watches CMAC.

And I will re-state YOUR CURRENT COACH was at the helm. Prior to that, he was HANDED a stellar program built by George Jackson, one of the top H.S. coaches in Ohio. PUHLEEEZE...you know not of what you speak, Radio.



Sweet. I'll remember that.

By the way, why did Withrow underachieve the past two years with the state's best player, and a GREAT supporting cast?

Great question and none of us have the answers. On the other hand....what has Lockland accomplished with their team of transfer-players-who-lacked-playing-time-in-their-home-schools? HMMMMM......


Look at where they were before the CMAC all-star team came to Withrow. How much experience does the Withrow coach have under his belt?

Woodward and Hughes. THREE PLAYERS. Everyone else had been there since ninth grade....your point is?

And the current coach is a former JUCO coach who apparently WON a couple of National JUCO tourneys. He isn't a lightweight coming in the door.



How did I make your point?

Every time you open your mouth and insert your FEET, Radio. :laugh:

[Eezy as 123]

Come on, EZ. If Knight would have transferred to the Lock, your tune would have been different.

I would still think the same way about him though.

[D-Swizzel102]

St. X will struggle.

Princeton is loaded with talent. Right now, they're my team to beat.

Moeller will be near the top as well. Too good of coaching not to be.

[GotNext]

Kenny Knight is still at Winton Woods.

[Elks48]

I think sophomore Stefan Rivera-Clack will be starting for the Elks this season. He will add a lot of speed and quickness to their back court.

[Past My Prime]

Kenny Knight is still at Winton Woods.

Thanks for clearing that up

[lineman4life]

:laugh: :laugh: WE'D BOTH put 'em before WW and LaSalle, fo' sho'. :thumb:




I dont think Withrow will be nearly as good w/o Yancy this year. They've got some guards but i wasnt very impressed with the exception of Yancy.

[gonefishing]

did kenny leave? i heard he withdrew last week

[Muskie3]

This is an easy one,

I think it is

1) Middletown
2) Centerville/Princeton (tie)
3) Everybody else,...don't think anyone else is close to this group.

[Purplematt]

This is an easy one,

I think it is

1) Middletown
2) Centerville/Princeton (tie)
3) Everybody else,...don't think anyone else is close to this group.


You know I love the Middies...but I see the following:

1. Princeton
2. Middletown
3. Centerville

The addition of Kirby Wright in the post (yes, he is eligible folks) will be a huge thing for the Middies.

I think all three teams are about even however.

[2nd coming]

Give your top 10 teams in Southwest Ohio this season in D-1.

Centerville
Princeton
Middletown
Moeller
Xavier
Winton Woods
Elder
Trotwood
Loveland
LaSalle

I dont think lasalle should be up there i saw them play this summer and it seems like danny doesnt even want to be there. When i saw him play he scored about 6 points in 8 quarters

[hardwork08]

middletown
princeton
loveland (maybe, depends on how the big boy plays)

who does moe, st x, elder, have coming back?? i thought they all lost KEY players?? are people ranking them because of there name and the GCL?

[T-Bred]

You know I love the Middies...but I see the following:

1. Princeton
2. Middletown
3. Centerville

The addition of Kirby Wright in the post (yes, he is eligible folks) will be a huge thing for the Middies.

I think all three teams are about even however.

Agree. It is very close to being a wash between the three. I give Centerville the coaching advantage while Princeton has the most talent. Bill Edwards unique combo of size and skill is to the Middies advantage. If the Aiken soap opera ever ends, they are very capable but would rate them 4th on the list. IMO - it is a wash after this group. I must admit that I do not know much about Trotwood and Wayne who both did well last year.

[oxat622]

I don't think I'd put Trotwood quite up there with those three. I saw them play against Princeton at the Miami team camp and Princeton beat them without much trouble at all.