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Was talking to a friend from McKinley who said Timken refuses to play them. Did not believe his reasons why. Seeing they share the same gym wouldn't this be a great yearly rival?
champion
08-13-08, 09:52 AM
It is similar to the rivalry between the hammer and the nail
1940 Regular Season L 31 - 27
1941 Regular Season L 41 - 38
1942 Regular Season W 80 - 28
1942 T- Sectional W 51 - 48
1943 Regular Season L 38 - 25
1944 Regular Season W 44 - 34
1945 Regular Season W 34 - 28
1946 Regular Season W 62 - 39
1947 Overtime Regular Season W 45 - 43
1948 Regular Season W 57 - 50
1949 Regular Season W 69 - 50
1950 Regular Season W 57 - 36
1950 T- Sectional Final W 39 - 38
1951 Regular Season L 52 - 50
1951 T- Sectional W 57 - 50
1952 Regular Season W 59 - 47
1952 T- Sectional L 71 - 50
1953 Regular Season W 54 - 44
1954 Regular Season W 40 - 33
1955 Regular Season W 70 - 49
1955 T- Sectional W 63 - 55
1956 Regular Season W 92 - 63
1957 Regular Season W 72 - 32
1958 Regular Season W 62 - 56
1959 Regular Season L 57 - 55
1960 Regular Season W 60 - 44
1961 Regular Season W 51 - 43
1962 Regular Season W 55 - 40
1963 Regular Season W 50 - 44
1964 Regular Season W 48 - 38
1965 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1966 Regular Season W 69 - 49
1967 Regular Season W 56 - 43
1968 Regular Season W 83 - 44
1969 Overtime Regular Season W 49 - 45
1970 Regular Season W 82 - 65
1971 Overtime Regular Season W 58 - 56
1972 Regular Season W 60 - 50
1972 T- Sectional Final W 59 - 41
1973 Regular Season W 96 - 63
1974 Regular Season W 96 - 66
1975 Regular Season W 72 - 56
1976 Regular Season W 74 - 71
1977 Regular Season L 71 - 66
1977 Overtime T- District Final L 74 - 70
1978 Regular Season W 54 - 52
1979 Regular Season W 67 - 59
1979 T- District Semi W 69 - 54
1980 Regular Season W 73 - 55
1980 Regular Season W 93 - 52
1981 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1982 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1982 T- District Final W 49 - 37
1983 Regular Season W 65 - 48
1984 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1984 T- District Semi L 47 - 43
1985 Regular Season L 65 - 54
1985 Overtime T- District Semi W 70 - 65
1986 Regular Season W 62 - 45
1986 T- Sectional Final W 52 - 47
1987 Regular Season W 77 - 44
1987 T- Sectional Final W 67 - 56
1988 Regular Season W 69 - 59
1989 Regular Season W 79 - 53
1989 T- Sectional Final W 77 - 54
1990 Regular Season W 74 - 58
1991 Regular Season W 73 - 56
1992 Regular Season W 71 - 33
1993 Regular Season W 67 - 44
1994 Regular Season W 73 - 60
1995 Regular Season W 87 - 77
1995 T- District Final W 78 - 66
1996 Regular Season W 65 - 26
1997 Regular Season W 64 - 49
1998 Overtime Regular Season W 63 - 59
1999 Regular Season W 73 - 38
2000 Regular Season W 58 - 32
2001 Regular Season W 73 - 48
2002 Regular Season W 71 - 40
I guess 22 in row was enough.
HoopHound
08-13-08, 05:09 PM
It is similar to the rivalry between the hammer and the nail
1940 Regular Season L 31 - 27
1941 Regular Season L 41 - 38
1942 Regular Season W 80 - 28
1942 T- Sectional W 51 - 48
1943 Regular Season L 38 - 25
1944 Regular Season W 44 - 34
1945 Regular Season W 34 - 28
1946 Regular Season W 62 - 39
1947 Overtime Regular Season W 45 - 43
1948 Regular Season W 57 - 50
1949 Regular Season W 69 - 50
1950 Regular Season W 57 - 36
1950 T- Sectional Final W 39 - 38
1951 Regular Season L 52 - 50
1951 T- Sectional W 57 - 50
1952 Regular Season W 59 - 47
1952 T- Sectional L 71 - 50
1953 Regular Season W 54 - 44
1954 Regular Season W 40 - 33
1955 Regular Season W 70 - 49
1955 T- Sectional W 63 - 55
1956 Regular Season W 92 - 63
1957 Regular Season W 72 - 32
1958 Regular Season W 62 - 56
1959 Regular Season L 57 - 55
1960 Regular Season W 60 - 44
1961 Regular Season W 51 - 43
1962 Regular Season W 55 - 40
1963 Regular Season W 50 - 44
1964 Regular Season W 48 - 38
1965 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1966 Regular Season W 69 - 49
1967 Regular Season W 56 - 43
1968 Regular Season W 83 - 44
1969 Overtime Regular Season W 49 - 45
1970 Regular Season W 82 - 65
1971 Overtime Regular Season W 58 - 56
1972 Regular Season W 60 - 50
1972 T- Sectional Final W 59 - 41
1973 Regular Season W 96 - 63
1974 Regular Season W 96 - 66
1975 Regular Season W 72 - 56
1976 Regular Season W 74 - 71
1977 Regular Season L 71 - 66
1977 Overtime T- District Final L 74 - 70
1978 Regular Season W 54 - 52
1979 Regular Season W 67 - 59
1979 T- District Semi W 69 - 54
1980 Regular Season W 73 - 55
1980 Regular Season W 93 - 52
1981 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1982 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1982 T- District Final W 49 - 37
1983 Regular Season W 65 - 48
1984 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1984 T- District Semi L 47 - 43
1985 Regular Season L 65 - 54
1985 Overtime T- District Semi W 70 - 65
1986 Regular Season W 62 - 45
1986 T- Sectional Final W 52 - 47
1987 Regular Season W 77 - 44
1987 T- Sectional Final W 67 - 56
1988 Regular Season W 69 - 59
1989 Regular Season W 79 - 53
1989 T- Sectional Final W 77 - 54
1990 Regular Season W 74 - 58
1991 Regular Season W 73 - 56
1992 Regular Season W 71 - 33
1993 Regular Season W 67 - 44
1994 Regular Season W 73 - 60
1995 Regular Season W 87 - 77
1995 T- District Final W 78 - 66
1996 Regular Season W 65 - 26
1997 Regular Season W 64 - 49
1998 Overtime Regular Season W 63 - 59
1999 Regular Season W 73 - 38
2000 Regular Season W 58 - 32
2001 Regular Season W 73 - 48
2002 Regular Season W 71 - 40
I guess 22 in row was enough.
champ... your post is a bit confusing to those outside the Stark County area who might not know WHICH team dominated the series. :shrug:
The post didn't make that very clear. :)
Eezy as 123
08-13-08, 06:05 PM
champ... your post is a bit confusing to those outside the Stark County area who might not know WHICH team dominated the series. :shrug:
The post didn't make that very clear. :)
I was just about to say that.
hsbetterthanpro
08-13-08, 09:43 PM
People know
champion
08-13-08, 11:35 PM
I would hope that ANYONE in the state of Ohio, would know who has dominated that series. If you clicked on a forum about boys basketball in the state of Ohio, you know who is on what side of this series. Anyone who is "confused" is not a basketball fan.
It is similar to the rivalry between the hammer and the nail
1940 Regular Season L 31 - 27
1941 Regular Season L 41 - 38
1942 Regular Season W 80 - 28
1942 T- Sectional W 51 - 48
1943 Regular Season L 38 - 25
1944 Regular Season W 44 - 34
1945 Regular Season W 34 - 28
1946 Regular Season W 62 - 39
1947 Overtime Regular Season W 45 - 43
1948 Regular Season W 57 - 50
1949 Regular Season W 69 - 50
1950 Regular Season W 57 - 36
1950 T- Sectional Final W 39 - 38
1951 Regular Season L 52 - 50
1951 T- Sectional W 57 - 50
1952 Regular Season W 59 - 47
1952 T- Sectional L 71 - 50
1953 Regular Season W 54 - 44
1954 Regular Season W 40 - 33
1955 Regular Season W 70 - 49
1955 T- Sectional W 63 - 55
1956 Regular Season W 92 - 63
1957 Regular Season W 72 - 32
1958 Regular Season W 62 - 56
1959 Regular Season L 57 - 55
1960 Regular Season W 60 - 44
1961 Regular Season W 51 - 43
1962 Regular Season W 55 - 40
1963 Regular Season W 50 - 44
1964 Regular Season W 48 - 38
1965 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1966 Regular Season W 69 - 49
1967 Regular Season W 56 - 43
1968 Regular Season W 83 - 44
1969 Overtime Regular Season W 49 - 45
1970 Regular Season W 82 - 65
1971 Overtime Regular Season W 58 - 56
1972 Regular Season W 60 - 50
1972 T- Sectional Final W 59 - 41
1973 Regular Season W 96 - 63
1974 Regular Season W 96 - 66
1975 Regular Season W 72 - 56
1976 Regular Season W 74 - 71
1977 Regular Season L 71 - 66
1977 Overtime T- District Final L 74 - 70
1978 Regular Season W 54 - 52
1979 Regular Season W 67 - 59
1979 T- District Semi W 69 - 54
1980 Regular Season W 73 - 55
1980 Regular Season W 93 - 52
1981 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1982 Regular Season W 50 - 47
1982 T- District Final W 49 - 37
1983 Regular Season W 65 - 48
1984 Regular Season L 50 - 46
1984 T- District Semi L 47 - 43
1985 Regular Season L 65 - 54
1985 Overtime T- District Semi W 70 - 65
1986 Regular Season W 62 - 45
1986 T- Sectional Final W 52 - 47
1987 Regular Season W 77 - 44
1987 T- Sectional Final W 67 - 56
1988 Regular Season W 69 - 59
1989 Regular Season W 79 - 53
1989 T- Sectional Final W 77 - 54
1990 Regular Season W 74 - 58
1991 Regular Season W 73 - 56
1992 Regular Season W 71 - 33
1993 Regular Season W 67 - 44
1994 Regular Season W 73 - 60
1995 Regular Season W 87 - 77
1995 T- District Final W 78 - 66
1996 Regular Season W 65 - 26
1997 Regular Season W 64 - 49
1998 Overtime Regular Season W 63 - 59
1999 Regular Season W 73 - 38
2000 Regular Season W 58 - 32
2001 Regular Season W 73 - 48
2002 Regular Season W 71 - 40
I guess 22 in row was enough.
WOW, I guess he wasn't lying (lol)
HoopHound
08-13-08, 11:55 PM
I would hope that ANYONE in the state of Ohio, would know who has dominated that series. If you clicked on a forum about boys basketball in the state of Ohio, you know who is on what side of this series. Anyone who is "confused" is not a basketball fan.
Geez... why be a hard case about it?
I was trying to help you clarify your post to a state-wide audience that reads these threads. And FYI, there might very well be some younger posters from Toledo or Cincy that might NOT know about the Pups... and they're fans too, whether you like their knowledge level or not.
You thought enough to make the smart-arse "hammer & nail" remark... you'd think you'd have wanted McKinley all over that post.
I realize the last couple years have been a little frustrating for Pup fans :angel:... but you should still be willing to educate the uneducated about Bulldog hoops tradition. :shrug:
champion
08-14-08, 09:51 AM
Ok...I guess we will have Ohio Basketball 101 for all of the kiddies. Hope this helps.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a397/famecity/BBpage.jpg
noheiferdust
08-14-08, 11:46 AM
I believe Timken won in 1960. This just form memory. That year Timken went to State.
Eezy as 123
08-14-08, 06:49 PM
Ok...I guess we will have Ohio Basketball 101 for all of the kiddies. Hope this helps.
:laugh: :Ohno: Wow...
HoopHound
08-14-08, 09:14 PM
Ok...I guess we will have Ohio Basketball 101 for all of the kiddies. Hope this helps.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a397/famecity/BBpage.jpg
:D :D :D :D :D
noheiferdust
08-14-08, 09:46 PM
Back to the original question which is very good. I'm sure many people around the state wonder the same thing. The answer is very clear to people around Stark County. McKinley did not want to play Timken for fear of losing one or two years straight. You see, McKinley gets all the good basketball players in the city and they want them to continue coming. If they lose to Timken that could shift players away. Well, that has happened but not because they lost to Timken. You can see how fragile the pipeline has become.
To answer the original question as best as possible. I don't believe it has anything to do with either school. Certain groups were choosing schools and setting up shop in the behind the basket seats. The people who were actually there to watch the game along with those in charge of the CCS got tired of it and ended the series. Maybe it will pick back up in the future.
Back to the original question which is very good. I'm sure many people around the state wonder the same thing. The answer is very clear to people around Stark County. McKinley did not want to play Timken for fear of losing one or two years straight. You see, McKinley gets all the good basketball players in the city and they want them to continue coming. If they lose to Timken that could shift players away. Well, that has happened but not because they lost to Timken. You can see how fragile the pipeline has become.
Thats a joke to say a school that has dominated another school like non other doesn't want to play them because of fear.
noheiferdust
08-14-08, 10:00 PM
Thats a joke to say a school that has dominated another school like non other doesn't want to play them because of fear.
I did not mean McKinley was afraid of Timken. I meant that IF THEY LOST that could disrupt the pipeline.
just a fan
08-14-08, 11:34 PM
I did not mean McKinley was afraid of Timken. I meant that IF THEY LOST that could disrupt the pipeline.
IMO, that has nothing to do with it. One has to look no further than the off-the-court fights in the stands and outside the fieldhouse to know why the two schools no longer play each other.
HoopHound
08-14-08, 11:43 PM
IMO, that has nothing to do with it. One has to look no further than the off-the-court fights in the stands and outside the fieldhouse to know why the two schools no longer play each other.
That was always my understanding of why the series ended, JAF.
champion
08-14-08, 11:46 PM
It starts with the current coach at McKinley being incompetent. He is single handily destroying a century worth of tradition.......Just my opinion.
futureknight25
08-15-08, 12:00 AM
IMO they dnt play each other because of the gangs at both schools..kids nowadays are capable of nething and they dnt wanna risk it
Roady21
08-15-08, 12:28 AM
Ok...I guess we will have Ohio Basketball 101 for all of the kiddies. Hope this helps.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a397/famecity/BBpage.jpg
Thats quite a poster for just 3 State Championships......
I guess if you want a poster for the most State Championships you gotta go down to Middletown....:cool:
champion
08-15-08, 08:17 AM
Yea, but the paper it is printed on will have turned yellow. They havent even been to Columbus for 50 years have they?
simpletim
08-20-08, 11:48 PM
Nothing big here, but McKinley beat Timken in the 1996 district finals, not the 95 finals. That was one of the greatest high school games I have seen. Jamal Ball and Troy Robinson at Timken took on a good McKinley team. Great game.
It has nothing to do with the wins and loses and everything to do with these idiots here in Canton running around the street thinking they are a man carry guns and willing to fight other gangs when their manhood is challenged...lol what a Joke these wanna bes are I wish they would all go to Detriot, NYC, or DC... for a year
Dog Corporation
08-21-08, 02:25 PM
It has nothing to do with the wins and loses and everything to do with these idiots here in Canton running around the street thinking they are a man carry guns and willing to fight other gangs when their manhood is challenged...lol what a Joke these wanna bes are I wish they would all go to Detriot, NYC, or DC... for a year
This comment is 100% correct...
And folks, please dont let Timken's recent success distort the facts or create untrue rumors..
myers59
08-21-08, 03:48 PM
Why dont Timken & Mckinley play each other?
They are not on eithers schedule! That was easy.
I believe Canton still has enough talent to have two very good teams that would put fear in any opponents heart, but McKinley=BASKETBALL the numbers speak for themselves.
gonefishing
08-21-08, 05:01 PM
wow thats quite a streak
RidgeRams2008
08-21-08, 05:02 PM
theres gangs in stark county? im from the youngstown area and i thought we had u guys beat, but east still plays other youngstown schools.
HoopHound
08-21-08, 05:23 PM
theres gangs in stark county? im from the youngstown area and i thought we had u guys beat, but east still plays other youngstown schools.
That's true, RR... but there are suburban-Youngstown area schools reluctant to play East & Chaney anywhere but their own home floors. Same was true when Rayen & Wilson were still open.
Rayen wanted to play Fitch and Boardman in home-and-home games for a long time. Neither would come up to Rayen and play in the Tigers' Den. Phil House, the old Rayen coach told me that himself. If they played... it HAD to be @ Fitch and @ Boardman. :Ohno:
RidgeRams2008
08-21-08, 09:09 PM
That's true, RR... but there are suburban-Youngstown area schools reluctant to play East & Chaney anywhere but their own home floors. Same was true when Rayen & Wilson were still open.
Rayen wanted to play Fitch and Boardman in home-and-home games for a long time. Neither would come up to Rayen and play in the Tigers' Den. Phil House, the old Rayen coach told me that himself. If they played... it HAD to be @ Fitch and @ Boardman. :Ohno:
i was at the chevy center last year or early this year for a game between i believe hubbard and chaney.....a mini gang skirmish broke out.
HoopHound
08-21-08, 09:53 PM
i was at the chevy center last year or early this year for a game between i believe hubbard and chaney.....a mini gang skirmish broke out.
RR... check your PM's when you have time. Thanks!!
This comment is 100% correct...
And folks, please dont let Timken's recent success distort the facts or create untrue rumors..
yea, I wish these kids would get their heads screwed on better and we could continue playing eachother even though over time its always been McK coming out with the win but I liked going to the games and the kids got pumped up for the games... Because most of these kids are all friends and have grown up playing each other from Grade school up...
RR yea Stark County has gangs... well they call themselves gangs and carry guns so they think their bad but nothing crazy like the LA Bloods and Crips or even MS 13... Which is starting to show up here slowly...
Bo Kimble
08-25-08, 12:41 PM
IMO, that has nothing to do with it. One has to look no further than the off-the-court fights in the stands and outside the fieldhouse to know why the two schools no longer play each other.
Drop Massillon and GlenOak too.
just a fan
08-25-08, 10:36 PM
Drop Massillon and GlenOak too.
You're kidding yourself if you think the McKinley games against Massillon and GlenOak resulted in the same amount of off-court activities as the most recent McKinley vs. Timken games. There's simply no comparison!
You're kidding yourself if you think the McKinley games against Massillon and GlenOak resulted in the same amount of off-court activities as the most recent McKinley vs. Timken games. There's simply no comparison!
Agree... I don't see Mass. or G.O. Kids coming to Canton with guns like the thugs were doing outside at the last Timken-McKinley game...
HoopHound
08-25-08, 11:36 PM
Agree... I don't see Mass. or G.O. Kids coming to Canton with guns like the thugs were doing outside at the last Timken-McKinley game...
I agree as well, Tdot.
The proximity of the two schools coupled with playing in a building shared by both as a home floor, is an unfortunate recipe for disaster when you're talking area & "turf" issues.
It's really too bad that a hand full of thugs spoil what could be a GREAT rivalry. A rivalry that should be renewed every year. Fans within the city of Canton (as well as hoops junkies from all over NEO), and the athletes themselves, are cheated of these games. :wallbang:
It's a shame so many are "held hostage" by so few punks. :mad: :mad:
RR yea Stark County has gangs... well they call themselves gangs and carry guns so they think their bad but nothing crazy like the LA Bloods and Crips or even MS 13... Which is starting to show up here slowly...
There are more than 35 known gangs in Stark County and a number of them ARE Bloods and Crips spin-offs. Those aren't the ones that cause the most problems however in the long run. Their upper level guys keep the youngin's in check (again for the most part). It's the guys who decide to start their own gang and then act like they THINK a gang acts that leads to the nastiness. Most of the problems I've seen and heard about are from wannabe's, not the real/older/more established gangs.
ohiopup
08-29-08, 12:15 AM
I believe Timken won in 1960. This just form memory. That year Timken went to State.
Correct - but the list provide is from the McK web - Basketball database
the year stated on the list is the start of the season (not the end).
ie: on the list - 1960 is the 1960-61 season
If you check 1959 shows Timken winning (1959 Regular Season L 57 - 55)
this is the year (1959-60) - John Nemciu led Timken to Columbus.
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wow thats quite a streak
You should see McKInleys Numbers vs Massillon.
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Thats quite a poster for just 3 State Championships......
I guess if you want a poster for the most State Championships you gotta go down to Middletown....:cool:
Yea, but the paper it is printed on will have turned yellow. They havent even been to Columbus for 50 years have they?
Middletown's last title was 1957 (50 yrs)
last title game was 1977 (30 yrs)
last Final-4 1983 (25 yrs)
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