PAC - 7 Summer Progress

[Bailey22]

How are teams from the pac - 7 doing this summer ? Does anyone know anything about Indian Valley ? The league appears to be a one horse race with everyone else playing for second thru 8th place ........

[HoopsRGreat]

How are teams from the pac - 7 doing this summer ? Does anyone know anything about Indian Valley ? The league appears to be a one horse race with everyone else playing for second thru 8th place ........


Apparently Tuslaw has won 2-4 total games this summer including leagues and shootouts. They are having problems getting enough kids to play at all levels.

[tuslawstud14]

Apparently Tuslaw has won 2-4 toal games this summer including leagues and shootouts. They are having problems getting enough kids to play at all levels.

I know the one varsity shootout there was a lot of kids missing because of taking ACT's so many younger guys played up. I dont know all about varsity turnouts, but the JV has had atleast 9 or 10 kids at both of their shootouts where they have played pretty good. The JV team that plays at the SECC is doing fairly well too with their record being at 5-5 and two of those losses were by about 5-7 points against decent Lake and Glenoak teams.

[starkravingdad]

Timken has beaten everyone I've seen them play (about 3 games) by 20, including McKinley.

[ohiobballstar]

Timkens frosh team bet Tuslaws varsity by 40 pts last week. Now thats frickin embarassing.

Tuslaw has made no progress in 4 years.Actually they have regressed quite emphatically. They have had numbers at some of these shootouts and other games but the kids are just bad players who if they ever see varsity playing time Tuslaw mite as well just pack it in. This will be a team lucky to win 5 games on the season. They are becoming the worst program in Stark County.Better hope these young freshman and sophomores continue to get better b/c that is this programs only hope.

[HoopHound]

I don't want to see any names mentioned in this thread except coaches and players.

Why talk about individuals that are NOT playing??? :shrug:

[thsmustang06]

Well I wouldn't say things have gotten worse, Waseity inherited a program that was in complete mess. You had a coach who left after one year, and a team that ended that season divided. I wont go into it all because it was the past, it is time to move on, im just trying to describe the situation Coach W was put in. Waseity is a good coach who has been a proven winner in the past, this year is rough cause look at the numbers the last two years, you has 3 seniors in Waseity's first year, one being Ryan Travis who was an excellent athlete no doubt, but again the program had no direction, it takes time to put a program in the right direction, and i feel he has. It is gonna be around 3 years to get that program back on its feet after what happened the two years before Waseity came. Our middle school program has improved and we are winning Coach Serban has been moved up in the varsity, the former 8th grade coach, and he connects well with the kids, and will be there when they get up to the varsity level, more kids have retained basketball after middle school, which when I was in school a lot of players maybe would make it to 9th and 10th grade then quit. Coach Bessler has been down in the middle school now for two years and I have seen the progress, They do have talent coming up and I think the right moves are being made to develop this talent. This year will be a rough one and then I think you will see the Mustangs getting better and being tough to play night in and night out. The coach is working hard, and I have been to open gyms and think that it is getting better.

[TALLEY #44]

Timken Should make fina4l led by porrini and javon clark remember my prediction last year they are the powerhouse of canton

[Just Win Baby]

Timken Should make fina4l led by porrini and javon clark remember my prediction last year they are the powerhouse of canton


I think your prediction last year said they would win the state title and they were from from that...:shrug:

[thsmustang06]

Timken is my prediction to win PAC that is for sure, can they make the Final Four sure, but that is not until March 2009 that is a ways away.

[xtitanmanager]

I think your prediction last year said they would win the state title and they were from from that...:shrug:

:laugh:

[thePITman]

I think Triway won 2 games and lost 5 or 6 at the Triway summer basketball league. They are playing some really tough competition there, though. They are going to be playing a lot of games Friday-Sunday up at Youngstown State against high school teams, so we'll see how they do.

[The Iceman]

I talked to a Fairless player this afternoon and he stated that they lost 2 games in Michigan. He also stated that Jake Dennis(freshman) hit 8, 3-pointers! Not bad. He did not mention anything about the new coach so things must be good.

[hs sports fan]

I think Triway won 2 games and lost 5 or 6 at the Triway summer basketball league. They are playing some really tough competition there, though. They are going to be playing a lot of games Friday-Sunday up at Youngstown State against high school teams, so we'll see how they do.

I saw Triway at Mount Union at the beginning of the month and they appeared to be alright. I think they only had like 8 guys, so a few were probably missing.

[HoopsRGreat]

Most of the summer season has gone past any recaps?

[thePITman]

I just got home from YSU, where I saw lots of Saturday's games. After roughly 2/3 of their games completed (Friday and Saturday), Triway is 22-7 and looking alright.

[FMZ]

I talked to a Fairless player this afternoon and he stated that they lost 2 games in Michigan. He also stated that Jake Dennis(freshman) hit 8, 3-pointers! Not bad. He did not mention anything about the new coach so things must be good.

8 in one game or spread out over the 2 games? The boy can shoot but the word will get out that a team can not let him just spot up. Put a body on him and make him work for his shot. still, not bad for a frosh.

[titan00]

triway won all four games this morning to get the #1 seed in thier div, thats more than alright

[hsbetterthanpro]

I talked to a Fairless player this afternoon and he stated that they lost 2 games in Michigan. He also stated that Jake Dennis(freshman) hit 8, 3-pointers! Not bad. He did not mention anything about the new coach so things must be good.

It's great that you have the opinion of a freshman to evaluate a coach! "He did not mention anything about the new coach so things must be good"

[The Iceman]

8 in one game or spread out over the 2 games? The boy can shoot but the word will get out that a team can not let him just spot up. Put a body on him and make him work for his shot. still, not bad for a frosh.

Good question FMZ! He got all 8 in the 2nd game.

[The Iceman]

It's great that you have the opinion of a freshman to evaluate a coach! "He did not mention anything about the new coach so things must be good"

No news is good news! I, too will have the opportunity to "evaluate" the new coach. I have no opinion on the new coach. The newspaper article was very nice though. I am willing to give anybody a chance!

[starkcountybball11]

I also talked to a Fairless player and they said that they have beat Garaway, Hoban, New Phila, Tusky Central multiple times this year. They had a few saturday shootouts where they went about .500 and they went .500 at Michigan. From the way it sounds the entire bench was used and the Seniors led the team. They didnt specifically say of any players that did amazingly excellent but they said that they really liked there new coach and are looking forward to playing with him.

[TOM20]

Hmmmm seems like we've all been talking to some players. In Michigan I was told that they won one , lost one in OT, lost one with 10 seconds on the clock by 2...game was called because of a player from the other team being injured during the last few seconds. I hear they like the new coach. And that the senors did lead the way. They are going to be better than everyone thinks.

[FMZ]

Hmmmm seems like we've all been talking to some players. In Michigan I was told that they won one , lost one in OT, lost one with 10 seconds on the clock by 2...game was called because of a player from the other team being injured during the last few seconds. I hear they like the new coach. And that the senors did lead the way. They are going to be better than everyone thinks.

Define better. 3 wins? 5 wins? 10 wins? This team will be hard pressed to average 60 points a game. Just what does better mean?

[TOM20]

This team will compete. They don't stand a chance against the likes of Timken...thats no surprise. But they will win some games. How many? Who knows but everyone keeps saying "the cupboard is bare". They are wrong in my opinion. But I guess we will just wait and see.

[hsbetterthanpro]

How do you rank the teams? Here is my rankings as of July:

Timken
CVCA
Manchester
Triway
Tuslaw
Fairless
Indian Valley
Tusky Valley

[111411]

OK Tuslaw fans, help out another Yappi poster. We will be headed to Tuslaw HS on Thursday night. We are heading on 77S to 30W. Mapquest says that we are to go left on 241, then right on 93. Am I headed the correct way?

[bbforlife101]

Could someone help me and post the Fairless open gym schedule it would me very helpful ....

[Veech2221]

I believe they are done with all summer open gyms, but I am not 100% sure.

[starkcountybball11]

OK Tuslaw fans, help out another Yappi poster. We will be headed to Tuslaw HS on Thursday night. We are heading on 77S to 30W. Mapquest says that we are to go left on 241, then right on 93. Am I headed the correct way?


I am not a Tuslaw fan but the directions are exactly correct. On 93 you will come to the first red light. Go straight through that and the school is about a half mile on the left.

[111411]

I am not a Tuslaw fan but the directions are exactly correct. On 93 you will come to the first red light. Go straight through that and the school is about a half mile on the left.

Thank you.

[bballfan12]

Timken has beaten everyone I've seen them play (about 3 games) by 20, including McKinley.

timken played cvca in summer league and only beat them by 3

[yellowandblue]

timken played cvca in summer league and only beat them by 3

Yup with playing soon to be freshmen mixed in with some varsity starters. When starters were playing this game was about a 20 point game and when the game ended all soon to be freshmen were on the court the last 6 minutes.

[tuslawstud14]

CVCA is a solid team and played well against Timken in the 1 game last year so this doesnt really surprise me.

[hs sports fan]

Yup with playing soon to be freshmen mixed in with some varsity starters. When starters were playing this game was about a 20 point game and when the game ended all soon to be freshmen were on the court the last 6 minutes.

I'm assuming Malik Ruffin was one of these freshmen. Will he see any time with the varsity this coming season?

[bballfan12]

Yup with playing soon to be freshmen mixed in with some varsity starters. When starters were playing this game was about a 20 point game and when the game ended all soon to be freshmen were on the court the last 6 minutes.

same with cvca. most of their team was on a missions trip

[Tdot]

I was at the First CVCA game last year and they played us tough. I hope to see that again this year because that game was an eye opener for our guys and let them know you can't sleep on any good PAC team.

[BigBulldog]

Timken has beaten everyone I've seen them play (about 3 games) by 20, including McKinley.

McKinley has kids playing AAU out of State,but not playing together with each other.:hello:

[hs sports fan]

McKinley has kids playing AAU out of State,but not playing together with each other.:hello:

Not many teams are at 100% during the summer. :hello:

[thePITman]

My summer team beat your summer team! :hello: :rolleyes:

[yellowandblue]

I'm assuming Malik Ruffin was one of these freshmen. Will he see any time with the varsity this coming season?

Yes he was I heard he will start by playing on JV

[TALLEY #44]

No one in Stark county will beat timken

[hs sports fan]

No one in Stark county will beat timken

It all depends on who ends up playing for Timken. There are rumors going around that a few of their players may not be able to attend CCS. I heard some Timken parents talking about it a few weeks ago.

[thePITman]

If no one in Stark County beats Timken, that doesn't bother me a whole lot! :)

[Tdot]

If no one in Stark County beats Timken, that doesn't bother me a whole lot! :)

I bet it would ;)

[HoopHound]

It all depends on who ends up playing for Timken. There are rumors going around that a few of their players may not be able to attend CCS. I heard some Timken parents talking about it a few weeks ago.

Has anyone heard any additional info concerning these eligibility issues lately. There's GOTTA be some answers out there regarding Timken's potential roster. :confused: :shrug:

[thePITman]

I bet it would ;)

Actually it wouldn't bother me. Now, if nobody in Wayne county beat them, that might be a problem. :(

[HoopsRGreat]

It all depends on who ends up playing for Timken. There are rumors going around that a few of their players may not be able to attend CCS. I heard some Timken parents talking about it a few weeks ago.


RUMORS is the key word in the post.

Timken will be fine contrary to some who would like to see their demise by default. Timken is at least ten deep with size, strength, athleticism, and basketball smarts.

The PAC is a no-brainer, the District is up for grabs and the rest will be interesting!

[hs sports fan]

RUMORS is the key word in the post.

Timken will be fine contrary to some who would like to see their demise by default. Timken is at least ten deep with size, strength, athleticism, and basketball smarts.

The PAC is a no-brainer, the District is up for grabs and the rest will be interesting!

I heard it from parents of players at Timken. Why would they "like to see their demise?"

[Tdot]

Actually it wouldn't bother me. Now, if nobody in Wayne county beat them, that might be a problem. :(

I figured that, but then again I wouldn't mind us sweeping the whole state. :)

[hsbetterthanpro]

Actually it wouldn't bother me. Now, if nobody in Wayne county beat them, that might be a problem. :(

Nobody in Wayne County could even hang with them for a half.

[thePITman]

Nobody in Wayne County could even hang with them for a half.

Orrville, Smithville are two that come to mind. But we'll see.

[hs sports fan]

Orrville, Smithville are two that come to mind. But we'll see.

Orrville did for a half last year, didn't they?

[GREENDAY]

Forget a half, Smithville would hang with Timken for an entire game.

[Cager]

There is no doubt Timken will be a great team again this year - and hands down pre-season pick to win the Pac. But, there are a lot of teams that could, can, and will give them a game. Smithville will be as good as you can be and would give Timken a run for their money. I think Perry and Jackson will as well. I am sure if they played GlenOak or Lake or North Canton they'd be right there with them as well. And in the PAC, I am sure Triway and CVCA will play them tough especially at home.

[hsbetterthanpro]

CVCA maybe, smithville lacks heart and would be blown out. Triway - no chance.

[thePITman]

CVCA maybe, smithville lacks heart and would be blown out. Triway - no chance.

CVCA is one team that can contend with just about anybody they play because of their style. Smithville is better than you are giving them credit. I saw them win the district championship last year (yes, a weak district) and then saw them take an experiened, talented, highly favored Villa-Anglea St. Joseph team into OT only to lose by 3.

[HoopsRGreat]

Just heard this weekend that the Head Coach from Tuslaw has stated that his senior 6'4" center is the best big man in the PAC 7. If this is the case the Mustangs should should be making a run at the PAC 7 Championship this coming season. What a swing in fortune that would be in Mustang Country!

[bballfan12]

Just heard this weekend that the Head Coach from Tuslaw has stated that his senior 6'4" center is the best big man in the PAC 7. If this is the case the Mustangs should should be making a run at the PAC 7 Championship this coming season. What a swing in fortune that would be in Mustang Country!

ummm sorry but i dont think he's better than eric worthey from cvca or chz moore from timken or even tim pfeiffer from manchester

[thePITman]

ummm sorry but i dont think he's better than eric worthey from cvca or chz moore from timken or even tim pfeiffer from manchester

I haven't seen the Tuslaw kid play, but I was thinking same thing. He would have been playing last year. Did he move in from out of the district?

[HoopsRGreat]

ummm sorry but i dont think he's better than eric worthey from cvca or chz moore from timken or even tim pfeiffer from manchester

You might consider the 6'8" kid from Timken, I think his name is Howard.

Maybe our Tuslaw knowledgeable people can fill us in on their big kid. Cager may be able to tell us moreif he has spoken with Waseity recently.

[HoopHound]

Here's Tuslaw's varsity roster from last season (with last year's seniors deleted and grade levels updated)...

Tuslaw Mustangs
PG 10 Shelby Combs 5'9 Sr.*
SG 23 Alex Martin 6'1 Sr.
SF 34 Jarrod Combs 6'2 Jr.
PF 44 Josh Daniels 6'4 Sr.
PG 14 Justin Erfurth 6'0 Jr.
SF 22 Graydon Feicther 6'3 Jr.

S. Combs is the only returning starter. Unless it's a JVer from last season, the only "in-house" players they could be talking about are Daniels, Fletcher, or possibly J. Combs (if he grew a BUNCH!!). :confused:

...OR it's a transfer. :shrug:

[Still-Got-It]

Here's Tuslaw's varsity roster from last season (with last year's seniors deleted and grade levels updated)...

Tuslaw Mustangs
PG 10 Shelby Combs 5'9 Sr.*
SG 23 Alex Martin 6'1 Sr.
SF 34 Jarrod Combs 6'2 Jr.
PF 44 Josh Daniels 6'4 Sr.
PG 14 Justin Erfurth 6'0 Jr.
SF 22 Graydon Feicther 6'3 Jr.

S. Combs is the only returning starter. Unless it's a JVer from last season, the only "in-house" players they could be talking about are Daniels, Fletcher, or possibly J. Combs (if he grew a BUNCH!!). :confused:

...OR it's a transfer. :shrug:


Or Hoops is stirring things up AGAIN in Mustang country :stirthepot:

[HoopHound]

Or Hoops is stirring things up AGAIN in Mustang country :stirthepot:

HRG stirring things up??? Noooooooooo ;)

[HoopsRGreat]

HRG stirring things up??? Noooooooooo ;)

I only wrote what I heard from what I feel is a reliable source. I thought the kids name was McDaniels, but apparently it is Daniels.

As far as stirring things up, well this might be one of those staements that Waseity makes then denies it later. This time however he would be caling adults the fabricators and that would be hard to overcome.

Sooner or later, apparently sooner I knew Waseity would be faced with the consequences of his remarks. This will be the year that ole Dave will have to answer for his lack of progress and success at the helm at Tuslaw. (no recruiting in Mustang country)

It has been said that this master of the hardwoods recently had conversations with kids telling them who he would cut if they came out in October. My man!!!!!!

[HoopHound]

I only wrote what I heard from what I feel is a reliable source. I thought the kids name was McDaniels, but apparently it is Daniels.

As far as stirring things up, well this might be one of those staements that Waseity makes then denies it later. This time however he would be caling adults the fabricators and that would be hard to overcome.

Sooner or later, apparently sooner I knew Waseity would be faced with the consequences of his remarks. This will be the year that ole Dave will have to answer for his lack of progress and success at the helm at Tuslaw. (no recruiting in Mustang country)

It has been said that this master of the hardwoods recently had conversations with kids telling them who he would cut if they came out in October. My man!!!!!!

No offense meant, HRG... Just a friendly jab from one hoops junkie to another... nothing more. :)

[HoopsRGreat]

No offense meant, HRG... Just a friendly jab from one hoops junkie to another... nothing more. :)

No Offense taken HH, just answereing a jab thrown by another poster.

[hsbetterthanpro]

Why are you so jealous of Dave Wasiety? :shrug:

[vikinghead]

I only wrote what I heard from what I feel is a reliable source. I thought the kids name was McDaniels, but apparently it is Daniels.

As far as stirring things up, well this might be one of those staements that Waseity makes then denies it later. This time however he would be caling adults the fabricators and that would be hard to overcome.

Sooner or later, apparently sooner I knew Waseity would be faced with the consequences of his remarks. This will be the year that ole Dave will have to answer for his lack of progress and success at the helm at Tuslaw. (no recruiting in Mustang country)

It has been said that this master of the hardwoods recently had conversations with kids telling them who he would cut if they came out in October. My man!!!!!!

HRG for the love of God leave the Tuslaw program alone already. No one, and I mean no one reads your posts and believes that you are just innocently making points. Your agenda is blasting us in the face and getting tired. Also, be very careful because you have officially now become exactly what you preach against. At least from what I hear about the coaching positions recently filled. Just be careful.

[Still-Got-It]

I only wrote what I heard from what I feel is a reliable source. I thought the kids name was McDaniels, but apparently it is Daniels.

As far as stirring things up, well this might be one of those staements that Waseity makes then denies it later. This time however he would be caling adults the fabricators and that would be hard to overcome.

Sooner or later, apparently sooner I knew Waseity would be faced with the consequences of his remarks. This will be the year that ole Dave will have to answer for his lack of progress and success at the helm at Tuslaw. (no recruiting in Mustang country)

It has been said that this master of the hardwoods recently had conversations with kids telling them who he would cut if they came out in October. My man!!!!!!

Why would Dave keep a couple of average seniors (who may or may not decide to try out this year) that didn't make the effort last season to play. You talk about building a program .... you don't sit kids that have stuck with the program and let kids walk on for their senior year to take their place.

JMHO

[hsbetterthanpro]

Why would Dave keep a couple of average seniors (who may or may not decide to try out this year) that didn't make the effort last season to play. You talk about building a program .... you don't sit kids that have stuck with the program and let kids walk on for their senior year to take their place.

JMHO

Thank you...HRG needs to get a hobby!

[thePITman]

Why would Dave keep a couple of average seniors (who may or may not decide to try out this year) that didn't make the effort last season to play. You talk about building a program .... you don't sit kids that have stuck with the program and let kids walk on for their senior year to take their place.

JMHO

Now I'm sure those kids know what the others at Timken felt like.

[HoopsRGreat]

Why are you so jealous of Dave Wasiety? :shrug:


Now that is funny!!!!!

[bballfan12]

so wut does the PAC look like if Timken does lose its players?

[thehasbeen95]

so wut does the PAC look like if Timken does lose its players?

like the pac-7!!!! lol

[bballfan12]

like the pac-7!!!! lol

umm i kinda meant the standings

[HoopsRGreat]

Why would Dave keep a couple of average seniors (who may or may not decide to try out this year) that didn't make the effort last season to play. You talk about building a program .... you don't sit kids that have stuck with the program and let kids walk on for their senior year to take their place.

JMHO

He might keep average seniors for the same reasons he keeps less than average coaches on his entire high school staff.

[HoopsRGreat]

Thank you...HRG needs to get a hobby!

I have a hobby, providing things for you to do!

[HoopsRGreat]

HRG for the love of God leave the Tuslaw program alone already. No one, and I mean no one reads your posts and believes that you are just innocently making points. Your agenda is blasting us in the face and getting tired. Also, be very careful because you have officially now become exactly what you preach against. At least from what I hear about the coaching positions recently filled. Just be careful.

Now I am curious, has their been coaching changes in the area other than Canton South, Central Catholic and Fairless?

You have control over what you read, so don't read my posts.

[thehasbeen95]

umm i kinda meant the standings

I know I was just kidding.

[hsbetterthanpro]

:wallbang: That guy is nuts

[hsbetterthanpro]

Go talk to coach to his face. He knows who you are and gets a kick out of your post.

[111411]

Okay gentlemen, we're starting to get away from things.

[THSBEEFCAKE08]

So you are saying that coach W is on here then.HMmmmm tell the ole Cager I said hello.

[vikinghead]

Now I am curious, has their been coaching changes in the area other than Canton South, Central Catholic and Fairless?

You have control over what you read, so don't read my posts.

Since you are curious, I will answer. And since you asked, I violate no rules by saying that you have told anyone and everyone that cares to listen that you will be on the sidelines for Timken this coming year, as you were this past summer. That is the coaching change I was talking about. And the other part is the fact of your feeling that active coaches should not post. Clear up your curiosity?

[HoopsRGreat]

Since you are curious, I will answer. And since you asked, I violate no rules by saying that you have told anyone and everyone that cares to listen that you will be on the sidelines for Timken this coming year, as you were this past summer. That is the coaching change I was talking about. And the other part is the fact of your feeling that active coaches should not post. Clear up your curiosity?

Let me get this straight you are saying I will be on the sidelines this coming year?

That may be difficult since I am not in Ohio in the Winter for the most part,
but it would be fun and I am flattered to think that you think I will be coaching. Bless you!

You on the otherhand may want to put your efforts in to helping the Cagers at Tuslaw. May help the program if someone with your spunk got involved.

[Still-Got-It]

Since you are curious, I will answer. And since you asked, I violate no rules by saying that you have told anyone and everyone that cares to listen that you will be on the sidelines for Timken this coming year, as you were this past summer. That is the coaching change I was talking about. And the other part is the fact of your feeling that active coaches should not post. Clear up your curiosity?


Is that the Timken girl's team you are referring to?

[vikinghead]

Let me get this straight you are saying I will be on the sidelines this coming year?

That may be difficult since I am not in Ohio in the Winter for the most part,
but it would be fun and I am flattered to think that you think I will be coaching. Bless you!

You on the otherhand may want to put your efforts in to helping the Cagers at Tuslaw. May help the program if someone with your spunk got involved.

I'm thrown off now that you told us you are in Florida for the winter. I was under the impression that the old Tuslaw staff was reuniting at Timken this year, one behind the scenes and the other to buy team meals after the games. My bad. Keep on posting hoops.

[HoopsRGreat]

Timken, CVCA, Triway, Manchester should have .500 or better seasons and all end up in the top half of the league.
Fairless may be better than expected once they catch on to the new coaches system, they should have some of the better guards in the league.

Indian Valley is an unknown and Tuskey Valley lost a lot of talent, but their coach will have them playing hard. Tuslaw should be the surprise team, with the big kid getting better they may make a run at things.

In any event it will be another good year for the PAC.

[bballfan12]

Timken, CVCA, Triway, Manchester should have .500 or better seasons and all end up in the top half of the league.
Fairless may be better than expected once they catch on to the new coaches system, they should have some of the better guards in the league.

Indian Valley is an unknown and Tuskey Valley lost a lot of talent, but their coach will have them playing hard. Tuslaw should be the surprise team, with the big kid getting better they may make a run at things.

In any event it will be another good year for the PAC.

well im gonna disagree and say that fairless definitely doesnt hav the better guards in the PAC and u never kno bout tusky b/c CVCA was in the same boat last year when they lost like 10 seniors and they were 3rd in the PAC and won their district

[thePITman]

I know Triway didn't have that great of a season last year, but they will bounce back this year. I'm not sure how far they will bounce back, but they could make a little noise.

[hsbetterthanpro]

Timken, CVCA, Triway, Manchester should have .500 or better seasons and all end up in the top half of the league.
Fairless may be better than expected once they catch on to the new coaches system, they should have some of the better guards in the league.

Indian Valley is an unknown and Tuskey Valley lost a lot of talent, but their coach will have them playing hard. Tuslaw should be the surprise team, with the big kid getting better they may make a run at things.

In any event it will be another good year for the PAC.

Tuslaw the surprise team? Hoops in defense mode. He sure sends me nutty private messages. Wish I could post them on here, but it would break the rules.

[just hoops]

No disrepsect to any of these other teams meant, but this league is all about how badly Timken wants to beat the other 7 teams. CVCA, Triway, and any number of the the other teams could have good seasons, but they all will struggle to come within 20 of Timken. The trojans are a legitimate top 10 D-I team and that spells trouble for an outstanding D-II, much less D-III's that might be struggling or rebuilding. (See Fairless last year- 16-4 and their one loss in the their last 2 months was 110-89 to Timken). It's just unreasonable to think any of these teams to be legit contenders with Timken.

[just hoops]

One more thing- summer games mean nothing. They are practice and to take the results from such games and analyze them too carefully is a mistake. Programs approach summer games differently. Some teams split into two teams, like McKinley, some teams forever have guys missing for aau games or baseball or vacations. It's just not smart to corronate a team or write one off based on a summer game/games.

[Cager]

One more thing- summer games mean nothing. They are practice and to take the results from such games and analyze them too carefully is a mistake. Programs approach summer games differently. Some teams split into two teams, like McKinley, some teams forever have guys missing for aau games or baseball or vacations. It's just not smart to corronate a team or write one off based on a summer game/games.

I don't disagree one bit 'justhoops' - in fact I agree 100%. But if I may play devils advocate here (just for discussion sake), look at the top summer teams of a year ago - Timken & Perry were arguably the best. Who played in the district final - Timken and Perry! Who was bad last summer - STA, CCHS, McK, & Massillon - all had bad seasons!

This summer - Timken, GO, Jackson & Perry all were good - interesting to see if two of these guys end up playing for the title.:shrug:

[HoopsRGreat]

I don't disagree one bit 'justhoops' - in fact I agree 100%. But if I may play devils advocate here (just for discussion sake), look at the top summer teams of a year ago - Timken & Perry were arguably the best. Who played in the district final - Timken and Perry! Who was bad last summer - STA, CCHS, McK, & Massillon - all had bad seasons!

This summer - Timken, GO, Jackson & Perry all were good - interesting to see if two of these guys end up playing for the title.:shrug:

STA made the list?! How surprising!!!

[Cager]

STA made the list?! How surprising!!!

Surprised :confused: :shrug: :confused:

They had the worst record of anyone in any division in Stark County...:hello: How on earth could you be surprised?:wallbang:

But, I look for big time improvement this year. We are a year older and more experienced. Harold FINALLY had us do some stuff in the summer. Our younger kids are hungrier than last year. All of us expect to get back to where we were a few years ago in the next two seasons!

[aauplayer]

As far as the summer progress Timken will stay on top in basketball. At what point do they look to leave the PAC 7 and join in with schools their own size. It does not benefit them by playing that competition throughout the year. They out of conference schedule is good but the league is to easy for them.

After that the league should be competitive with CVCA and Manchester on paper battling for the second spot. Somebody will surprise everybody and jump out of no where byt it really does not matter as the title goes to Timken

[HoopHound]

As far as the summer progress Timken will stay on top in basketball. At what point do they look to leave the PAC 7 and join in with schools their own size. It does not benefit them by playing that competition throughout the year. They out of conference schedule is good but the league is to easy for them.

After that the league should be competitive with CVCA and Manchester on paper battling for the second spot. Somebody will surprise everybody and jump out of no where byt it really does not matter as the title goes to Timken

Good points aau...

Problem is that they show little sign of being dominant in the other sports (boys and girls) that comprise the conference. When/if the Trojan sports programs can do that... they can start thinking about conference shopping.

If their basketball can continue at this level on a fairly consistant basis, I'd suggest that they try to beef up their non-conference sked and play some BIG BOYS around NEO.

Barberton, Stow, SVSM, and others come immediately to mind. Of course there are others as well.

Even if their regular season record wouldn't be as "sparkling"... they'll be better prepared for tournament play. :shrug:

[Cager]

I would think the PAC adding IV was a real blow to Timken. Now there are 14 league games vs 12 from a year ago. Timken now only has 6 non-league games to schedule...not too mention the costs of JV, and Frosh teams traveling over an hour to play the new team in all sports.

[thehasbeen95]

Good points aau...

Problem is that they show little sign of being dominant in the other sports (boys and girls) that comprise the conference. When/if the Trojan sports programs can do that... they can start thinking about conference shopping.

If their basketball can continue at this level on a fairly consistant basis, I'd suggest that they try to beef up their non-conference sked and play some BIG BOYS around NEO.

Barberton, Stow, SVSM, and others come immediately to mind. Of course there are others as well.

Even if their regular season record wouldn't be as "sparkling"... they'll be better prepared for tournament play. :shrug:

I do believe they have one of the biggest non conference games in the state coming up this season sometime in January. Only game bigger would be a state title game And they are my pick to win that game but I will let someone from Timken tell you who it is.

[HoopsRGreat]

I do believe they have one of the biggest non conference games in the state coming up this season sometime in January. Only game bigger would be a state title game And they are my pick to win that game but I will let someone from Timken tell you who it is.


The Trojans play Warren Harding, Columbus Northland, Jackson, Orrville,
Massillon, Central Catholic in non-conference games as was posted on Yappi on another thread.
I,m guessing the big game you are referring to is Northland with Sullinger.

[yellowandblue]

I do believe they have one of the biggest non conference games in the state coming up this season sometime in January. Only game bigger would be a state title game And they are my pick to win that game but I will let someone from Timken tell you who it is.

My man hasbeen whats going on with ya? I hope your right and the bennies can join them in Columbus this year with the talent they have I will be cheering for them as well.