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I got to see Tallmadge play for the first time at the D2 Summit Lake district this year. After reading alot in the papers and on this forum, I really thought they might have a chance to advance this year out of the Akron District. Their staff does a very good job with preparing their team year in and year out, but I really have to say that I was disappointed with their performance this year in the district. As I watched their pre-game and then the games, I only spotted one player that I would consider a solid D1 prospect, and that was the Mace kid. He had a very lively curve ball and solid fast ball. His ball had plenty of movement. Although, when he pitched vs. Copley, I thought he threw his curveball way too much. Tallmadge is a good baseball team, but I just don't see them getting out of the D2 district anytime soon, as long as Walsh is in the same district. Tallmadge used to have some stud players in the program with Jason Stevens, Testa brothers, Hindel, etc. but I don't see those type of players in the program anymore.
All Day
05-28-08, 04:40 PM
What is the point of this thread? Get over yourself. Walsh won a good game.
What is the point of this thread? Get over yourself. Walsh won a good game.
With you All Day. Not sure the point of this thread. Belair is going D-1 to Kent which last time I checked has a pretty darn good pitching coach who only sends 3-4 pitchers each year into pro ball. Brunello also saved Walsh against Field with his defense and wonder where he is going.....Kent. Kent ahs a very very good class coming in and the great thing about it is that it is alot of local talent. Another absolute stud going there is Shaw. He is a beast (plays first base) and dad played pro ball. Walsh has great pitching but their hitting is suspect. Hopefully they get their hitting going because it is really tough to win states with scores of 3-0 and 1-0.
Future00
05-28-08, 08:08 PM
With you All Day. Not sure the point of this thread. Belair is going D-1 to Kent which last time I checked has a pretty darn good pitching coach who only sends 3-4 pitchers each year into pro ball. Brunello also saved Walsh against Field with his defense and wonder where he is going.....Kent. Kent ahs a very very good class coming in and the great thing about it is that it is alot of local talent. Another absolute stud going there is Shaw. He is a beast (plays first base) and dad played pro ball. Walsh has great pitching but their hitting is suspect. Hopefully they get their hitting going because it is really tough to win states with scores of 3-0 and 1-0.
You can't lose if you dont give up any runs......besides Walsh had really tough competition thus far excluding Buchtel. They showed their depth of pitching and their other strength: defense. If the Warriors keep that us and do hit the ball, like you said........Nobody will beat them.
stpride
05-28-08, 08:28 PM
^That may be true ....Walsh is good,but baseball is a funny game & if your pitching staff has a bad game & the bats go silent... you'll be sent home. There are some very good teams left in D2 & most have good pitching and good hitting.
With you All Day. Not sure the point of this thread. Belair is going D-1 to Kent which last time I checked has a pretty darn good pitching coach who only sends 3-4 pitchers each year into pro ball. Brunello also saved Walsh against Field with his defense and wonder where he is going.....Kent. Kent ahs a very very good class coming in and the great thing about it is that it is alot of local talent. Another absolute stud going there is Shaw. He is a beast (plays first base) and dad played pro ball. Walsh has great pitching but their hitting is suspect. Hopefully they get their hitting going because it is really tough to win states with scores of 3-0 and 1-0.
I wasn't saying that WALSH didn't have any D1 prospects. I said that as I watched the Tallmadge pregame warmup, and the game, I did not see any D1 prospects other than the Mace kid on Tallmadge. I'm sorry if I offended anyone from Tallmadge, but the Tallmadge fans on this forum have been hyping this group for the past 3 years, and I just do not see the talent on the field. I'm not a Walsh fan in particular, but a northeast ohio high school baseball fan. I truly respect the Walsh baseball program and the job their coaches do with their kids. They do things the right way over there. Year in and year out, they do it better than any team in the area in my opinion.
Hornet Dad
05-28-08, 09:10 PM
I wasn't saying that WALSH didn't have any D1 prospects. I said that as I watched the Tallmadge pregame warmup, and the game, I did not see any D1 prospects other than the Mace kid on Tallmadge. I'm sorry if I offended anyone from Tallmadge, but the Tallmadge fans on this forum have been hyping this group for the past 3 years, and I just do not see the talent on the field. I'm not a Walsh fan in particular, but a northeast ohio high school baseball fan. I truly respect the Walsh baseball program and the job their coaches do with their kids. They do things the right way over there. Year in and year out, they do it better than any team in the area in my opinion.
It's tough maintaining a DII program when your locked in geographically. So lets not start that debate over again.
All Day
05-28-08, 09:52 PM
I wasn't saying that WALSH didn't have any D1 prospects. I said that as I watched the Tallmadge pregame warmup, and the game, I did not see any D1 prospects other than the Mace kid on Tallmadge. I'm sorry if I offended anyone from Tallmadge, but the Tallmadge fans on this forum have been hyping this group for the past 3 years, and I just do not see the talent on the field. I'm not a Walsh fan in particular, but a northeast ohio high school baseball fan. I truly respect the Walsh baseball program and the job their coaches do with their kids. They do things the right way over there. Year in and year out, they do it better than any team in the area in my opinion.
Pakan is not D1? Brian Kilway is not D1? You are pretty lost.
And you didn't mean to offend anyone? Your only purpose with this thread was to belittle the Tallmadge baseball program. If all you have better to do with your day is put down high school kids playing baseball, I am sorry. Seriously.
tallmadge H2 dad
05-29-08, 09:27 AM
I got to see Tallmadge play for the first time at the D2 Summit Lake district this year. After reading alot in the papers and on this forum, I really thought they might have a chance to advance this year out of the Akron District. Their staff does a very good job with preparing their team year in and year out, but I really have to say that I was disappointed with their performance this year in the district. As I watched their pre-game and then the games, I only spotted one player that I would consider a solid D1 prospect, and that was the Mace kid. He had a very lively curve ball and solid fast ball. His ball had plenty of movement. Although, when he pitched vs. Copley, I thought he threw his curveball way too much. Tallmadge is a good baseball team, but I just don't see them getting out of the D2 district anytime soon, as long as Walsh is in the same district. Tallmadge used to have some stud players in the program with Jason Stevens, Testa brothers, Hindel, etc. but I don't see those type of players in the program anymore.
Listen, it takes alot of things to have a successfull baseball season. Although everyone's ultimate goal is to win the state championship, the reality is only 1 team can do that. Does that make all the other teams unsuccessful? Hardly. Tallmadge finished 25-4 this year. Won the Suburban league title, and beat some darn good teams along the way. They lost a very tough game to Walsh, that they really could have won. Errors cost Tallmadge that game. Both pitchers threw the game of their lives. Baseball is a funny game. One error, one timely hit, one bad hop, and a team can lose. High school baseball, even moreso because you only have one shot. In the upper levels of baseball, when playing a series, the best team USUALLY wins. But with one game to advance, anyone can win.
Look, Walsh has a great program. So does Tallmadge. Tallmadge will be strong again next season.
And if you can spot D1 prospects by watching kids warm up before a game, then you are in the wrong profession my friend. I'm sure any college would be happy to have you recruiting for them.
Have a nice day. And good luck to Walsh.
Listen, it takes alot of things to have a successfull baseball season. Although everyone's ultimate goal is to win the state championship, the reality is only 1 team can do that. Does that make all the other teams unsuccessful? Hardly. Tallmadge finished 25-4 this year. Won the Suburban league title, and beat some darn good teams along the way. They lost a very tough game to Walsh, that they really could have won. Errors cost Tallmadge that game. Both pitchers threw the game of their lives. Baseball is a funny game. One error, one timely hit, one bad hop, and a team can lose. High school baseball, even moreso because you only have one shot. In the upper levels of baseball, when playing a series, the best team USUALLY wins. But with one game to advance, anyone can win.
Look, Walsh has a great program. So does Tallmadge. Tallmadge will be strong again next season.
And if you can spot D1 prospects by watching kids warm up before a game, then you are in the wrong profession my friend. I'm sure any college would be happy to have you recruiting for them.
Have a nice day. And good luck to Walsh.
Alot of very nice comments. The reality is that only one team will be happy with their last game in D-2. Many teams in the NEO area had good years and there are some talented ballplayers out there whose team did not do so good.
I agree 100% if someone can spot a D-1 player in warm ups he should take Kent State and Akron Univ. coaching jobs. Thses programs video tape kids, go back and watch them and make decisions based upon objective data, NOT I love this kid or he has good "stats" in high school. So many players with good stats do not go D-1. Why? Tools. To play D-1 there are a few things they look for and none of it has to do with HS stats:
#1: Speed: 60 yd time and home to first base for position players
#2: Arm strength: "pop" time for catchers and receiving abilities (get pitchers strikes when it is boarderline)
#3: Velocity: Throw 90 plus you are a D-1 prospect. Why the velocity? Because pitchers make mistakes. D-1 hitters smash off speed stuff that makes some HS pitchers look like Cy Young in High School. However, if that same player tries to throw a fastball at 85 it will get crushed by D-1 players. I have also seen though D-2 and D-3 hitters smash the same. So many of the pitchers who have some statistical numbers in HS get a very rude awaking in college. That is why they do not get recruited D-1. A mistake at 85 mph is a home run. A mistake at 90 mph is a foul ball. That is why some of the pitchers in the area are not getting D-1 offers. But there are exceptions.
bigdawg33
05-30-08, 10:14 AM
[. But there are exceptions.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your comments. D1 College ball is looking for those projectable, special athletes.....those exceptions for pitchers tend to be Left handed.
"And if you can spot D1 prospects by watching kids warm up before a game, then you are in the wrong profession my friend. I'm sure any college would be happy to have you recruiting for them."
Funny you say that, because I used to be a scout, so I can spot talent.
"And if you can spot D1 prospects by watching kids warm up before a game, then you are in the wrong profession my friend. I'm sure any college would be happy to have you recruiting for them."
Funny you say that, because I used to be a scout, so I can spot talent.
Am I right or wrong on my three very basic criteria?
[. But there are exceptions.
I agree with your comments. D1 College ball is looking for those projectable, special athletes.....those exceptions for pitchers tend to be Left handed.[/QUOTE]
Lefties.....Other than Belair, Choban, Gruver and Loftin who in our area has went D-1 ? I know righties are Goldberg McMillen, Mace and Newhart.
bigdawg33
05-30-08, 07:20 PM
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I agree with your comments. D1 College ball is looking for those projectable, special athletes.....those exceptions for pitchers tend to be Left handed.
Lefties.....Other than Belair, Choban, Gruver and Loftin who in our area has went D-1 ? I know righties are Goldberg McMillen, Mace and Newhart.[/QUOTE]
@ more righties are Lavery and Rosinski
earholem
05-30-08, 07:36 PM
"And if you can spot D1 prospects by watching kids warm up before a game, then you are in the wrong profession my friend. I'm sure any college would be happy to have you recruiting for them."
Funny you say that, because I used to be a scout, so I can spot talent.
It's funny you tell us all you used to be a scout.I assume those days are behind you.
Why don't you ask what programs continue to go out and teach the game of baseball and help prepare athletes to play at the next level.
Aside from private and open enrollment schools, I believe Tallmadge has advanced many baseball players to the next level over the years.
It's a shame you are set on picking out only D1 players but the last time I looked, there are many pro's that never went to college or went JUCO, D2,
D3 and NIAI schools as well as D1.
Tallmadge's defence has been bad for the last 3 years.The pitching has been solid and the hitting has been eratic over the years.25-4 not to bad and just not good enough to beat Walsh.
Please quit knocking kids and keep your opinions to your self.
I truely believe that you seen at least (3) D1 type players and (8) more college type players during those warm ups.That's not bad from 1 zip code.
Tallmadge has had 3 players I know in the last few years get drafted or sign pro contracts.
Let's focus on Walsh winning a state championship and bringing home a title and our youth learning teamwork and advancing those that want to continue
their crafts and skills.
earholem
05-30-08, 07:47 PM
I got to see Tallmadge play for the first time at the D2 Summit Lake district this year. After reading alot in the papers and on this forum, I really thought they might have a chance to advance this year out of the Akron District. Their staff does a very good job with preparing their team year in and year out, but I really have to say that I was disappointed with their performance this year in the district. As I watched their pre-game and then the games, I only spotted one player that I would consider a solid D1 prospect, and that was the Mace kid. He had a very lively curve ball and solid fast ball. His ball had plenty of movement. Although, when he pitched vs. Copley, I thought he threw his curveball way too much. Tallmadge is a good baseball team, but I just don't see them getting out of the D2 district anytime soon, as long as Walsh is in the same district. Tallmadge used to have some stud players in the program with Jason Stevens, Testa brothers, Hindel, etc. but I don't see those type of players in the program anymore.
Coaching and instruction is the main reason.Desire, passion, size and athleticisim and of coarse genetics have impact.
Bottom line is private schools get to pick at age 14 what they would like to see in their schools and get the word out and go get what they want. Public schools get what they are getting, period.
BENSPAPA8
05-30-08, 08:18 PM
"A mistake at 85 mph is a home run. A mistake at 90 mph is a foul ball. But there are exceptions."
About 500 feet of mistake:cool:
Coaching and instruction is the main reason.Desire, passion, size and athleticisim and of coarse genetics have impact.
Bottom line is private schools get to pick at age 14 what they would like to see in their schools and get the word out and go get what they want. Public schools get what they are getting, period.
And your POINT IS? So if your a parent, what do you do? Do you keep your child in the public school program, and when you get beat badly by a private school, you come on the board and complain how private schools have all the advantages, or do you send little Johnny to take the entrance exam at Walsh. Hope he passes, pay your $9000 a year, and then hope he has a chance to make the starting lineup when he's a junior. MY POINT IS, don't start complaining about the Private schools, because if your kid was a STUD, you would be enrolling little Johnny for the entrance exam at Walsh next year, you would be sending him to the baseball camp in the summer, you would be emailing the coach telling him what a great player Little Johnny was, and you would be bellying up Nine grand a year just so you could get see him play for the best of the best, and possibly have him win a state championship and go to a D1 college to play baseball. Don't be so Hypocritical. In America, opportunities are available for those that excel beyond the norm. Don't start bashing the private schools, just because Little Johnny doesn't have the skills to compete.
OSUSTAR1991
05-30-08, 10:56 PM
THe whole talk about private schools vs public schools is beating a dead horse which has angered me very much. It is unfair for a Private school to be able to ask who ever they want to that school to play any sport while public schools get who ever they want in there district. what we mean by this TAPNEO is that Private schools like WALSH should be in D1 ir make their own super divison so that way PUblic schools have any chance to win it all
Yourmama
05-30-08, 11:00 PM
I think this is pretty impressive, out of Wadsworth's 8 graduating seniors, 7 are going to college to play ball, 8th is undecided at this point, 1 to D1, 4 to NAIA or DII, and 2 to DIII:grouphug: :grouphug:
THe whole talk about private schools vs public schools is beating a dead horse which has angered me very much. It is unfair for a Private school to be able to ask who ever they want to that school to play any sport while public schools get who ever they want in there district. what we mean by this TAPNEO is that Private schools like WALSH should be in D1 ir make their own super divison so that way PUblic schools have any chance to win it all
I'm really beginning to think that your right. Instead of seeing a score of 17-0 in a regional final, I as a fan, would much rather see a real baseball game. Right now, I'm in favor of a Super Conference, or whatever you want to call it.
BENSPAPA8
05-30-08, 11:43 PM
I wouldn't change a thing. Why sour a potential sweet vine.
DR.PITCH
05-30-08, 11:51 PM
If Wadsworth has that many college bound and didn't win the Suburban or make it out of the Sectionals, what is your point?:shrug:
GRPride86
05-31-08, 08:58 AM
Tallmadge had three seniors this year, two are going on to play in college.
Mace - Kent State
Caprianna - Tiffin
PS: Carlo Testa- Junior at Belmont is predicted to be drafted between the 4th and 7th rounds next month.
starkravingdad
05-31-08, 09:35 AM
Are this year's seniors the group that were in the LL World Series?
BENSPAPA8
05-31-08, 09:39 AM
PS: Carlo Testa- Junior at Belmont is predicted to be drafted between the 4th and 7th rounds next month.
Testa has all the tools, size, speed, arm, and bat. Do they see him on the bump or in the outfield?
A very fine talent.
earholem
05-31-08, 10:52 AM
I think this is pretty impressive, out of Wadsworth's 8 graduating seniors, 7 are going to college to play ball, 8th is undecided at this point, 1 to D1, 4 to NAIA or DII, and 2 to DIII:grouphug: :grouphug:
Mamma, not pretty but totally impresive.Those players you mention did not get there without instruction, coaching, passion, desire and of course a little
athletic ability and parent involement.
I wish them all luck and hope they all stay healthy.
GRPride86
05-31-08, 04:53 PM
Testa has all the tools, size, speed, arm, and bat. Do they see him on the bump or in the outfield?
A very fine talent.
Rumor has it that three teams are looking at him as a pitcher and three other ones are looking at him as a centerfielder.
GRPride86
05-31-08, 04:55 PM
Are this year's seniors the group that were in the LL World Series?
Five or six juniors this year were on that team. Two others quit early in the season. One wanted to concentrate on football and the other basketball.
starkravingdad
05-31-08, 05:03 PM
I had heard a couple good kids quit. That's suprising given the amount of success the baseball team has had.
Just Win Baby
05-31-08, 06:19 PM
I had heard a couple good kids quit. That's suprising given the amount of success the baseball team has had.
Stick to Mass threads and stir your trouble there.
Yourmama
06-01-08, 01:49 PM
Are this year's seniors the group that were in the LL World Series?
No, Wadsworth was never in the LL World Series, Tallmadge was.
Ttown=Beast of SL
06-01-08, 02:55 PM
No, Wadsworth was never in the LL World Series, Tallmadge was.
no ----
devilsathletics
06-01-08, 10:32 PM
Why don't parents send their kids to Walsh to play? It's not because of the lack of talent their kids have. It's the money issue. Not everyone is that well off. Any good athlete would try to go to Walsh if their parents had the money. And don't bash Tallmadge players. Honestly what is your problem? Out of a population of about 15,000 people in one town I'd say they put a darn good baseball team together each year. After districts, Walsh is given a free ride to the state title. Just hand them the trophy now. Oh and don't worry about all of those graduating seniors this year. They'll find plenty more from all around to get it done again next year.
Back to baseball.. it's just like everyone thought. The Akron winner will be the one to win state. And congratulations to Highland in making such a deep run into regionals. Very impressive surprising everyone.
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