Coach Price and Fairfield Baseball

[Viking_booster71]

I couldn't help but notice that Coach Price did NOT resign as the varsity baseball coach last night afterall (as some rumors had reported) and seemed to have the full support (from my point of view) of AD Jim Sherard. It must have really upset SOME of the senior parents to see that their efforts to blame the disappointing outcome of the season on the very person(s) that cared the most fell short of fruition.

Fairfield Baseball is alive and well! Cheers to the future of Fairfield baseball and to the great seniors that will be moving onto more important things than the overbearing pressures of their (SOME) mothers and fathers....LIFE.

[AmericaOne]

I couldn't help but notice that Coach Price did NOT resign as the varsity baseball coach last night afterall (as some rumors had reported) and seemed to have the full support (from my point of view) of AD Jim Sherard. It must have really upset SOME of the senior parents to see that their efforts to blame the disappointing outcome of the season on the very person(s) that cared the most fell short of fruition.

Fairfield Baseball is alive and well! Cheers to the future of Fairfield baseball and to the great seniors that will be moving onto more important things than the overbearing pressures of their (SOME) mothers and fathers....LIFE.

Viking_booster71: Fairfield Baseball is alive and well for these young men who play the game. Coach Price did not resign but his speech about making mistake after mistake fell on deaf ears when he had the opportunity to get help and refused to take it. He spoke about "surrounding yourself with good people", he had some very good baseball people around him in Fairfield but failed to utilize them....Fairfield has some very good baseball people, but when you think you know everything about the game and you rely on people who really do not then you certainly make "mistakes". Do not blame the parents. We were forced to watch the Fairfield season go down the drain while politics and players who were being played oft times out of position, continued game after game it was shameful. When you have great baseball people such as John Burden, 30 years either as a player, coach, or scout in the Major Leagues who has one of the few World Series rings who could have helped tremendously with our pitching in 5 Years both his sons played for Fairfield he was NEVER even asked his opinion or a question. What a major waste of talent. I must say Lakota West has a GEM in Bill Dreisbach. He is a true coach, who understands the game and knows how to get everything from his players. Why the largest High School in the state of Ohio found it necessary to have one man coach two varsity sports when there were many qualified guys out there who were willing to give 100% to the baseball program... I will never know. Secondarily Coach Price has resigned from the Girls Varsity program, it came a year late and 14 seniors paid the price. So blame the parents, blame me, do what you need, I just hope this man puts more into the Fairfield Program than he did in 2007-8. When Lakota West practiced at the Heat/Chiefs facility in Fairfield, in the off season I heard it was monitored and players were required to work, and the work outs were structured... I was told that this did not happen when the Fairfield team went in. Do not put this one on the parents...They had the talent....On to real baseball...

[IMHO]

Viking_booster71: Fairfield Baseball is alive and well for these young men who play the game. Coach Price did not resign but his speech about making mistake after mistake fell on deaf ears when he had the opportunity to get help and refused to take it. He spoke about "surrounding yourself with good people", he had some very good baseball people around him in Fairfield but failed to utilize them....Fairfield has some very good baseball people, but when you think you know everything about the game and you rely on people who really do not then you certainly make "mistakes". Do not blame the parents. We were forced to watch the Fairfield season go down the drain while politics and players who were being played oft times out of position, continued game after game it was shameful. When you have great baseball people such as John Burden, 30 years either as a player, coach, or scout in the Major Leagues who has one of the few World Series rings who could have helped tremendously with our pitching in 5 Years both his sons played for Fairfield he was NEVER even asked his opinion or a question. What a major waste of talent. I must say Lakota West has a GEM in Bill Dreisbach. He is a true coach, who understands the game and knows how to get everything from his players. Why the largest High School in the state of Ohio found it necessary to have one man coach two varsity sports when there were many qualified guys out there who were willing to give 100% to the baseball program... I will never know. Secondarily Coach Price has resigned from the Girls Varsity program, it came a year late and 14 seniors paid the price. So blame the parents, blame me, do what you need, I just hope this man puts more into the Fairfield Program than he did in 2007-8. When Lakota West practiced at the Heat/Chiefs facility in Fairfield, in the off season I heard it was monitored and players were required to work, and the work outs were structured... I was told that this did not happen when the Fairfield team went in. Do not put this one on the parents...They had the talent....On to real baseball...

A-1: If LW has off-season workouts that are required and monitored isn't that a violation of high school rules. My understanding of high school off- season workout rules would put the responsibility of making sure everybody is showing up and working to the max on the players running those off-season workouts. I think successful off-season workout programs are a direct result of strong senior leadership on the team. I do realize that coaches know what is going on at the workouts but really they can not be strongly involved can they?

When you say on to real baseball what does that mean? Is high school baseball not real baseball?

[eye]

Glad the current staff stayed in place, yes they could use some help from time to time but I think they are good people and I am happy they are coming back. It will take a few more people than some disgruntled parents to get to these coaches. Fairfield was at the end of the year and will be for atleast the next several years really competitive in the GMC as long as the players get focused on baseball.

[Viking_booster71]

IMHO: good point. let us condemn coach price for being an honest man that strictly binds his program to the rules and regulations outlined by the state of Ohio high school athletic policy by being sure that his coaches did not cross boundaries during off-season workouts that occurred during the NO CONTACT period.

[ffind18]

While some responsibility should fall on the coach, the majority of the blame should be placed on the seniors themselves. You could see it from the stands, the laziness, the not caring, just the overall bad attitude. Not all of them, but a lot, were playing for themselves and not the team. Although if the line up they had at the end of the season was used from the beginning, I think that the season would have been completely different.

[Hakko936]

IMHO: good point. let us condemn coach price for being an honest man that strictly binds his program to the rules and regulations outlined by the state of Ohio high school athletic policy by being sure that his coaches did not cross boundaries during off-season workouts that occurred during the NO CONTACT period.

The no contact period was actually 8/4 - 9/1. I am not sure how the offseason workouts happened, but if it was an open gym environment that was structured and limited to conditioning, I am not sure they broke any rules. If they were coaching baseball, they probably did break some rules.

[SWO_Sports]

A-1: If LW has off-season workouts that are required and monitored isn't that a violation of high school rules. My understanding of high school off- season workout rules would put the responsibility of making sure everybody is showing up and working to the max on the players running those off-season workouts. I think successful off-season workout programs are a direct result of strong senior leadership on the team. I do realize that coaches know what is going on at the workouts but really they can not be strongly involved can they?

When you say on to real baseball what does that mean? Is high school baseball not real baseball?


From what I've read on these boards and what people I know from Fairfield have said, the major problem this year was things that happened off the field. Mostly parents (a select few) sticking there noses where they didn't belong because they thought they knew more about baseball and could run the team better. Getting kicked out games and starting trouble was the only contribution these parents brought to the table. Wonder why team continuity wasn't there? The real reasons these parents undermined the coaching staff/team was they didn't like where their "Johnny" played or how often.
Reminds me of little league parents. This is High School Baseball!
Parents (you know who you are) these kids are now young men. Next year do the Fairfield baseball program and your young sons a favor; let them play ball! Support the coaching staff and cheer them on!!


High School baseball is real! Keep it real and let em play!!!

[AmericaOne]

IMHO: good point. let us condemn coach price for being an honest man that strictly binds his program to the rules and regulations outlined by the state of Ohio high school athletic policy by being sure that his coaches did not cross boundaries during off-season workouts that occurred during the NO CONTACT period.

ALL GOOD High School programs have some sort of off-season program set up for their players. "Friends of the Program" can run these and often do. Coaches can not have contact. It does not preclude trainers, other coaches with the understanding of the game, or semi-private instruction by non-staff. Coach Price may be an honest man, a great father, and a wonderful citizen. We are talking about baseball coaching. Separate the two and you will see what I mean. If you think rules were not broken you are mighty wrong. I would be happy to PM you some very serious rules that were overlooked... I agree with ffind18 that there was a better line-up near the end, but it was too little too late. These young men deserve dedicated coaches who know the game, not nice men who watch the game. If you asked some of the Evil Parents who have coached successfully at all levels (forget me) but others what they thought., you would be amazed...Why was the pitching coach not calling the pitches? Why have a pitching coach? There is never just one reason a team loses, but Bear Bryant would take ownership for the losses, give ownership to his players for the wins and usually it is a combination of many things. SWO: I along with a lot of other folks believe Upper Level Summer baseball is the strongest and most compettive baseball played...PERIOD.

[GCPRO]

There was a time not too very long ago that Fairfield baseball would put the little SWOL to shame. Many victories, many big time recruits, many championships.

A1-while I agree that your Upper Level summer programs can be good, there are just as many if not more that are run poorly. HS baseball in southwest Ohio is still very strong and if not for the those strong programs there would be no strength in the summer programs. One drives the other and vice versa.

[Leonidas]

lets not forget about adams cuz hes the one who really runs this show. this team's was doomed from when these two took over. they won't ever go very far with these two "coaches" behind the bench.

this years Indians were losers before the first pitch of the season was ever thrown. when the players dont play (hitting, fielding and pitching) that indeed is a player problem!
but.. when the majority of the team want to quit playing the game that they love and have played most of their lives) then IT JUST MAY BE A COACHING PROBLEM!!!:hello:

practices were a joke, no one was ever rewarded for their hard work, it was the same old thing all year long. [repetitive & boring...] nothing ever changed. one stupid decision after another. and not once did a player or parent ever fill in the lineup card! it was all on these coaches.

good HS coaches should be able to motivate their players to get the most out of them. (see Lakota West) players should get some game strategy, (fundamentals) teaching and respect. they will respond and become better players. Never happened here, never will! ya just cant repetely stab your team's passion, confidence and leadership in its heart and expect positive results.

these guys need to watch a little more summer baseball and figure out who the real players are before they pick their team and then try to guess at who will get the job done. it takes them almost the entire season to get it figured out. there were 3 or 4 players on the bench (riggs/shiffman/pritchard/silvani) that got 3 or 4 at bats all year while some of the other "players" hit at or near the mendoza line

future fhs baseball players, take my advice- go join the lacrosse or volleyball team till a change is made here. same results next year-guarenteed!

[Between the lines]

There was a time not too very long ago that Fairfield baseball would put the little SWOL to shame. Many victories, many big time recruits, many championships.

mabey 15 years ago before summer ball really took off. A good summer team would smoke a good HS team 8 out of 10 times. That's a fact.

[GCPRO]

a good hs baseball team with the arms of Lutz, Hartsock, Popplewell, would give any and all teams in this area absolute fits. before or after the fact that summer ball really took off. What about last year's Moeller pitching staff with the addition of Burkhart behind the dish and the SS that attends Okie State. I will take that club over the vast majority of the area's summer teams and that's a fact. You people really need to get over yourselves regarding summer ball. There are good and bad programs.

[IMHO]

mabey 15 years ago before summer ball really took off. A good summer team would smoke a good HS team 8 out of 10 times. That's a fact.

BTL - not sure what summer program you consider a top program. Last seasons St X team depending on who was pitching fielded 8 position players, the pitcher and the DH that was from the Flames organization. This seasons again depending on who is pitching has nothing but Flames, West Stars, Cincinnati Heat players. Your own FF team had quite a few players from the Sting, Diamond Stars and A-1s Heat organization didn't they? I know I think the St X team from last seaosn and this season would give any of the top summer teams a run for the money. I definitely don't think they would get smoked.

Most of the good HS teams are stocked by the summer team players. Shouldn't they bring a winning attitude and knowledge of what it takes to win with them from those good summer programs to the HS team. How is it that the HS coach has the ability to eliminate what those good summer prograsm has taught the kids about winning?

[AmericaOne]

There was a time not too very long ago that Fairfield baseball would put the little SWOL to shame. Many victories, many big time recruits, many championships.

A1-while I agree that your Upper Level summer programs can be good, there are just as many if not more that are run poorly. HS baseball in southwest Ohio is still very strong and if not for the those strong programs there would be no strength in the summer programs. One drives the other and vice versa.

GCPRO: You are correct. There are some very good HS programs and some very good High School coaches. It has been a very disappointing year. In 1985 and 1991 I know about those fine years. I am not so sure the it is a little SWOL. Yes there are some poorly run programs in the summer, but there was no reason Fairfield should have had such a bad season...You must admit something is wrong...

[GCPRO]

America One- I have absolutely no knowledge of what has transpired with FF baseball the past two seasons. I have seen one ballgame in each of those years. It seems that the common thought with regard to perceived under achieving teams is that it has to be the coaching staff. Just look on any thread with regard to any sport and that is always the common complaint. The opposite though is that those that support the coaching staff blame the parents for being too involved. As is the case in most instances, the blame falls somewhere between those extremes. Could it be that the players are just not as good as some think. I noticed from the list of FF players signing to play college baseball, that there was not a high level player in the group all the while playing in a league where most teams have at least a few. Once again just a question, as I have no knowledge either way.

Finally, I have coached summer ball in this area for quite some time and quite frankly have never understood all the fuss. In any given year there are somewhere between 3-5 top notch clubs, another 5-8 that would be a notch or two below the first group. After that, mostly just crap. Sorry. JMO.

[AmericaOne]

lets not forget about adams cuz hes the one who really runs this show. this team's was doomed from when these two took over. they won't ever go very far with these two "coaches" behind the bench.

this years Indians were losers before the first pitch of the season was ever thrown. when the players dont play (hitting, fielding and pitching) that indeed is a player problem!
but.. when the majority of the team want to quit playing the game that they love and have played most of their lives) then IT JUST MAY BE A COACHING PROBLEM!!!:hello:

practices were a joke, no one was ever rewarded for their hard work, it was the same old thing all year long. [repetitive & boring...] nothing ever changed. one stupid decision after another. and not once did a player or parent ever fill in the lineup card! it was all on these coaches.

good HS coaches should be able to motivate their players to get the most out of them. (see Lakota West) players should get some game strategy, (fundamentals) teaching and respect. they will respond and become better players. Never happened here, never will! ya just cant repetely stab your team's passion, confidence and leadership in its heart and expect positive results.

these guys need to watch a little more summer baseball and figure out who the real players are before they pick their team and then try to guess at who will get the job done. it takes them almost the entire season to get it figured out. there were 3 or 4 players on the bench (riggs/shiffman/pritchard/silvani) that got 3 or 4 at bats all year while some of the other "players" hit at or near the mendoza line

future fhs baseball players, take my advice- go join the lacrosse or volleyball team till a change is made here. same results next year-guarenteed!

Leonidas: Well said young man. The four kids you mentioned all hit in the upper .300's in the summer and none were given a chance to hit for the Fairfield team. Some played great defenses in the summer for their respective teams but were NEVER given a chance to help Fairfield to be a winning program. Not all, but the guys who made the decision dropped the ball. One thing I can say with a certainty, If you continue doing the same things without positive change you will get the same results....

[SWO_Sports]

America One- I have absolutely no knowledge of what has transpired with FF baseball the past two seasons. I have seen one ballgame in each of those years. It seems that the common thought with regard to perceived under achieving teams is that it has to be the coaching staff. Just look on any thread with regard to any sport and that is always the common complaint. The opposite though is that those that support the coaching staff blame the parents for being too involved. As is the case in most instances, the blame falls somewhere between those extremes. Could it be that the players are just not as good as some think. I noticed from the list of FF players signing to play college baseball, that there was not a high level player in the group all the while playing in a league where most teams have at least a few. Once again just a question, as I have no knowledge either way.

Finally, I have coached summer ball in this area for quite some time and quite frankly have never understood all the fuss. In any given year there are somewhere between 3-5 top notch clubs, another 5-8 that would be a notch or two below the first group. After that, mostly just crap. Sorry. JMO.

When parents do not support the coaching staff or the program they become an obstacle between the coaches/program and the players. If parents do not respect/support the coaches then how can you expect it from their own sons? If they were that bad then they would not have been hired in the first place.
I read part of a thread where A1 was complaining about parents and how they were the reason a couple of his Ohio Heat teams broke up. Isn't that called "calling the kettle black" when you do the very thing you blame others for doing? :shrug:

[itsgone]

One thing I can say with a certainty, If you continue doing the same things without positive change you will get the same results....

Pity you don't heed your own words.

Parents need to understand that in HS baseball, their place is either in the stands showing support or working through the booster club to provide support. Let the kids play and the coaches coach.

[IMHO]

Leonidas: Well said young man. The four kids you mentioned all hit in the upper .300's in the summer and none were given a chance to hit for the Fairfield team. Some played great defenses in the summer for their respective teams but were NEVER given a chance to help Fairfield to be a winning program. Not all, but the guys who made the decision dropped the ball. One thing I can say with a certainty, If you continue doing the same things without positive change you will get the same results....

Curious A-1 - who played that should have been sat so these 4 could get their chance to hit? I seem to remember from the discussion before the season started that 3 of these 4 guys are primarily first baseman when not pitching. There is only so many first base spots on the diamond!

[southpaw69]

What a mess.......every year as of late. The one constant does seem to be the parents. However the only things I know is from wht I read on here. I think A1 has even eluded to this being a major issue within the Fairfield district.

[Between the lines]

Most of the good HS teams are stocked by the summer team players. Shouldn't they bring a winning attitude and knowledge of what it takes to win with them from those good summer programs to the HS team. How is it that the HS coach has the ability to eliminate what those good summer prograsm has taught the kids about winning?

IMHO,
your point taken! St. X. can win against a good summer team. But aren't they a coaches recruting delight? (an All Star team if you will) If I were picking a good HS team from last year, I'd look no further than the defending State Champions! I'm not saying that a good HS team cannot beat a Flames/Rawlings/Diamond Star/Heat team, but overall it's not going to happen on a regular basis.

You ask how a HS coach can undo something positive with good summer players on his roster? It's Simple-do not play them while playing lesser talented players (or slumping players) day in day out! Let's face it, if my team starts out 0-14, I'm trying something different. Common sense and common curosity would force me to look on my bench and try to imagine the possibilities. It was mentioned somewhere in this post that 3 or 4 players didn't hardly bat all year. My question is why??? Good coaches would figure out the where's and when's.

[scoresalot]

ALL GOOD High School programs have some sort of off-season program set up for their players. "Friends of the Program" can run these and often do. Coaches can not have contact. It does not preclude trainers, other coaches with the understanding of the game, or semi-private instruction by non-staff. Coach Price may be an honest man, a great father, and a wonderful citizen. We are talking about baseball coaching. Separate the two and you will see what I mean. If you think rules were not broken you are mighty wrong. I would be happy to PM you some very serious rules that were overlooked... I agree with ffind18 that there was a better line-up near the end, but it was too little too late. These young men deserve dedicated coaches who know the game, not nice men who watch the game. If you asked some of the Evil Parents who have coached successfully at all levels (forget me) but others what they thought., you would be amazed...Why was the pitching coach not calling the pitches? Why have a pitching coach? There is never just one reason a team loses, but Bear Bryant would take ownership for the losses, give ownership to his players for the wins and usually it is a combination of many things. SWO: I along with a lot of other folks believe Upper Level Summer baseball is the strongest and most compettive baseball played...PERIOD.

A1... While I agree with you that all good HS programs have an offseason program, most do not blatantly break the rules. As someone who has coached both summer and varsity baseball for the last 10 years, I know the ones who blatantly break the rules and brag about it. What are we teaching kids if we do this? That it's OK to break rules that we don't like. I'm sorry, but I disagree with this thought. As far as FF breaking rules, I have heard very few if any discussion of them doing it.

As far as Pitching coaches not calling pitches, that is relatively common. Many coaches who have quality catchers believe that they need to learn how to call a quality game. As a former catcher, I had this ability because I was pretty decent at it. Could the coach do better, maybe, but why not let these kids learn the game. The coach is there to discuss pitch calling between innings and work with a pitcher's mechanics and mental approach.

You're right about one other thing, there is never one reason a team loses. Parents undermining coaches is sometimes a very real reason teams lose. It causes dissention and that can lead to some of the other things I've heard like laziness, players not wanting to play, etc. Also, there are some bad coaches ( I don't know Coach Price well enough to say if he is or isn't), but I will say give the guy a chance. It doesn't sound like he got much of one from the parents.

Finally, 10 years ago summer baseball was one of the most competitive and best baseball in the country. Today it is so watered down that I wouldn't say it's the case for most teams. There might be 2-3 teams today that are really strong, when 10 years ago there were 8-10 teams that were strong. All you have to do is look at the size of the SWOL. If you're trying to tell me that there are 15-20 ELITE/National teams per age group in Cincinnati, then you are crazy. When an age group has 40+ teams with about 600 players, I'm sorry, but I no longer consider that select or high quality. That is why over the last 5 or so years, the top organizations have joined other leagues for better competition like the Sandlotter league and the Super Series leagues. Cincinnati baseball is very good because they have good players and coaches. Give them a chance.

[AmericaOne]

What a mess.......every year as of late. The one constant does seem to be the parents. However the only things I know is from wht I read on here. I think A1 has even eluded to this being a major issue within the Fairfield district.

southpaw69: It is easy to blame parents but ultimately the High School coach is being paid. Parents who coach are not paid. We do not make line-ups or get to say who pitches, or what pitch is thrown. A coach coaching two varsity sports at one school. That is $20,000.00 dollars. There was no problems with the parents. They are not volunteering their time...Now some of the assistants like KennY Stewart, A great guy who the players and parents like....The Reed brothers, good guys who are approachable and well respected. I attended every game, cheered for every player, and supported the coaches in many ways. I am not tooting my horn but our summer program did whatever we could supporting the Fairfield program. If you would like I can PM you and tell you what we did. This forum is a place to vent and nothing was said negativley about any of this until the season and banquet was over. If you think Fairfield is the only place thhis is happening, then you have not gotten out laetly. It is happening at many schools.

[southpaw69]

I will agree that it is happening all over the place. My only observation is that the Fairfield threads seem to have a common theme (more so than others) about problems with coaches and parents. That is not specific to baseball. Maybe Sherard can change that.? I am well aware of all that your program does, has done and i am sure will continue to do. Ther is no doubt about that and you can toot your own horn it is well deserved. Why so many problems in Fairfield specifically with coaches and parents? The only thing that I can see is the losing or underachieving by the largest school district in the entire state. Is that it?

[AmericaOne]

A1... While I agree with you that all good HS programs have an offseason program, most do not blatantly break the rules. As someone who has coached both summer and varsity baseball for the last 10 years, I know the ones who blatantly break the rules and brag about it. What are we teaching kids if we do this? That it's OK to break rules that we don't like. I'm sorry, but I disagree with this thought. As far as FF breaking rules, I have heard very few if any discussion of them doing it.

As far as Pitching coaches not calling pitches, that is relatively common. Many coaches who have quality catchers believe that they need to learn how to call a quality game. As a former catcher, I had this ability because I was pretty decent at it. Could the coach do better, maybe, but why not let these kids learn the game. The coach is there to discuss pitch calling between innings and work with a pitcher's mechanics and mental approach.

You're right about one other thing, there is never one reason a team loses. Parents undermining coaches is sometimes a very real reason teams lose. It causes dissention and that can lead to some of the other things I've heard like laziness, players not wanting to play, etc. Also, there are some bad coaches ( I don't know Coach Price well enough to say if he is or isn't), but I will say give the guy a chance. It doesn't sound like he got much of one from the parents.

Finally, 10 years ago summer baseball was one of the most competitive and best baseball in the country. Today it is so watered down that I wouldn't say it's the case for most teams. There might be 2-3 teams today that are really strong, when 10 years ago there were 8-10 teams that were strong. All you have to do is look at the size of the SWOL. If you're trying to tell me that there are 15-20 ELITE/National teams per age group in Cincinnati, then you are crazy. When an age group has 40+ teams with about 600 players, I'm sorry, but I no longer consider that select or high quality. That is why over the last 5 or so years, the top organizations have joined other leagues for better competition like the Sandlotter league and the Super Series leagues. Cincinnati baseball is very good because they have good players and coaches. Give them a chance.

Scoresalot: You are correct in the many things you have said. I do not favor blatantly violating rules, however; Bill Dreisbach does not do that. he works within the rules and gets what he has to from his players. It must start in the off-season.. Football is done YEAR ROUND. Try to get in the weight room at Fairfield if you are a baseball player. I was told by an independent third party that it was like night and day when Lakota West worked out of the Heat/Chiefs facility,, when LW worked out they were organized and worked hard. I was told by a very good baseball person this was not happening when the FF players were at workouts?? LW worked out twice a day in the mornings and evenings. To be a championship team you must practice and work at it. If our coach did not think it was a problem he would never have resigned from the Girls Varsity Basketball program. Another isssue. Were you aware the coaching staff gave the sportsmanship award to a player who was suspended for two games by the umpires for throwing a bat. Yes suspended by OHSAA for two games. Awarded the Sportmanship Award????? The catchers did not call the pitches. I wish they had. The pitchers were discouraged from shaking off what they thought may be a bad pitch on the count. I was trying to say, if you do not know pitching well enough to call pitches then do not call them. Call a guy like John Burden or a good catching coach in and help them with that. First you must know you pitchers to call pitches. Each pitcher lives on different pitches. I also agree there are too many so called select teams. But the upper level teams are usually stacked like the GCL teams since they can pick from a greater area. Look at our roster if you want to see what a stacked summer team is. www.ohioheatbaseball.org 18U. Coached by a very good college coach Darrel Grissom coming off his 8th winning season and 8th tournament championship with a record of 35-10 at Miami University Hamilton. This coach will get every ounce from his players...

[IMHO]

IMHO,
your point taken! St. X. can win against a good summer team. But aren't they a coaches recruting delight? (an All Star team if you will) If I were picking a good HS team from last year, I'd look no further than the defending State Champions! I'm not saying that a good HS team cannot beat a Flames/Rawlings/Diamond Star/Heat team, but overall it's not going to happen on a regular basis.

You ask how a HS coach can undo something positive with good summer players on his roster? It's Simple-do not play them while playing lesser talented players (or slumping players) day in day out! Let's face it, if my team starts out 0-14, I'm trying something different. Common sense and common curosity would force me to look on my bench and try to imagine the possibilities. It was mentioned somewhere in this post that 3 or 4 players didn't hardly bat all year. My question is why??? Good coaches would figure out the where's and when's.

Good point about the 0-14. I do have a question about the 4 guys mentioned. I ask A-1 but got no response. I think I remember talk of the same 4 guys earlier. Aren't 3 of these 4 guys primarily first basemen? If that is the case that does limit the ability to get these kids some ABs. Unless you move whoever was playing 1B the only option is to get them AB's at DH if you move whoever was the DH in the line up. It is not a shot at the kids who didn't get ABs just pointing out that sometimes the type of defensive player a kid is limits what a coach can do with them. I guess they could play the OF but that limits the OF defensively.

[brad01]

If you notice, it seems to be A-1 and BTL are the only Fairfield parents complaining about the coaches, with posters from other schools complaining about the fairfield people. Most of the Fairfield parents are happy and come on to disagree with A-1 and BTL. All schools have unhappy parents - we just have a few that are extremely outspoken. Its unfortunate that they embarrass the rest of us.

[AmericaOne]

A1 - Do Fairfield a favor, and MOVE ON..........

FYI - when a young athlete feels encouraged and supported by their own parents, the behavior of other parents (LIKE YOU) can ruin the experience for them. "It wasn’t even my own parents," said one player that sits the bench....."it was the other parents screaming at the coach and the referee that made most games a misery."

Wow - from the mouth of our kids, do yourself a favor.....listen, observe and learn.

76Panther: I have moved on... to better things. This is a baseball forum. We waited for the season to end and supported the coaches during the season. Coaching is a thankless job. When we came off a 68-8 season some folks thought we should have won the 8 games. As a coach when we lose it is my fault for not having the players ready and prepared to win. If I ever have a season that our team is under .500 I would personally resign from the game. It has never happened and will not. We will prepare our team to win. If we lose we the coaches will take the blame and go back and find a way to win. Not repeat the same things over and over....And you must be the perfect parent.

[Viking_booster71]

I like to think I am a level headed person so I am willing to compromise with everyone on this thread at once by saying this...Do the coaches carry some blame here for the outcome of the season? Yes, of course. Perhaps they should have made some of those successful infield switches earlier in the season, but hey, hindsight is always 20/20 and the monday morning quarterback always sounds like a genius (I am still skeptical about how you let some of your pitchers "get a shot" at 1st base in front of the only kid on the team that was consisently hitting but I guess we can agree to disagree). Do the coaches carry all of the blame to the point that they deserve to have the entire season blamed on them? Absolutely not.

Did the parents single-handedly ruin the season? No, of course not...but some of them certainly didn't help.

Did some of the players "get what they deserved"? As much as it hurts to say it...yes. I feel to a certain extent that some of the players got out of the season what they put in; which was very little (referring to lack of dedication during off-season workouts and distracted attitudes during practices AND games). Execution and making key plays fall in the players' hands as well. Did Coach Price jump up and catch Evan's shot to left center in a very close hamilton game? No, thats just poor circumstance. Did coach Price run around the infield slapping the ball out of the players' gloves to force the plethora of errors that ruined so many close games? No, thats just plain lack of execution on the player's part.

Bottomline- everybody dropped the ball a little bit and so far Coach Price is the only one who has stepped up and taken responsible for what he views was his part. His missteps this season are in no magnitude great enough to warrant some of the things people have said about him, such as..."Fairfield has some very good baseball people, but when you think you know everything about the game and you rely on people who really do not then you certainly make "mistakes"." Coach Price knows more baseball than you and your enormous...ego could ever dream of.

[brad01]

Good point about the 0-14. I do have a question about the 4 guys mentioned. I ask A-1 but got no response. I think I remember talk of the same 4 guys earlier. Aren't 3 of these 4 guys primarily first basemen? If that is the case that does limit the ability to get these kids some ABs. Unless you move whoever was playing 1B the only option is to get them AB's at DH if you move whoever was the DH in the line up. It is not a shot at the kids who didn't get ABs just pointing out that sometimes the type of defensive player a kid is limits what a coach can do with them. I guess they could play the OF but that limits the OF defensively.

Yes they are primarily first basemen. And these same two parents didn't think a sohpmore was qualified to take the position. He was extremely qualified - lead the team in hitting and an all around good kid. This is just one more reason for them to talk bad about the coaches.

[AmericaOne]

Good point about the 0-14. I do have a question about the 4 guys mentioned. I ask A-1 but got no response. I think I remember talk of the same 4 guys earlier. Aren't 3 of these 4 guys primarily first basemen? If that is the case that does limit the ability to get these kids some ABs. Unless you move whoever was playing 1B the only option is to get them AB's at DH if you move whoever was the DH in the line up. It is not a shot at the kids who didn't get ABs just pointing out that sometimes the type of defensive player a kid is limits what a coach can do with them. I guess they could play the OF but that limits the OF defensively.

IMHO: We waited until the end of the season to say what we feel....My baadd. Meant to get back to you. I am an easy target and I was answering other folks forays into the world of Yappi. Two of the players played outfield, Two played first do to being left handed but with our outfield at times all are very good defensively. Mitch Durbin was the finest hitter I saw on Fairfield this year and I wish him and his family great success. But they had three kids that they NEVER watched hit in a game. One hit in the high .400's as a sophomore on JV.. Shiffman and Silvani both are excellent defensive first basemen that hit .300 or better every summer. Pritchard and Riggs both play outfield also and are also very nice hitters. This is the answer. We had a number of players who did not bat their weight so, why not at least try these other 4 seniors in a scrimmage, non-league game. You do not know what you have until you see them. I hope this answered you my friend.:crush:

[AmericaOne]

Yes they are primarily first basemen. And these same two parents didn't think a sohpmore was qualified to take the position. He was extremely qualified - lead the team in hitting and an all around good kid. This is just one more reason for them to talk bad about the coaches.

I never said that Mitch was not qualified. But there was kids DH'ing with .100 batting averages. Mitch deserved the spot and came through. A GREAT player. But if Mitch was never given the opportunity to play the position we would never have known that. That is my point. Every player should be given the opportunity to hit on a varsity team in at least practice or scrimmages to see what they can do. This was not done for some of the players. How do you know if a player can not hit if you NEVER gave them a chance??

[AmericaOne]

I like to think I am a level headed person so I am willing to compromise with everyone on this thread at once by saying this...Do the coaches carry some blame here for the outcome of the season? Yes, of course. Perhaps they should have made some of those successful infield switches earlier in the season, but hey, hindsight is always 20/20 and the monday morning quarterback always sounds like a genius (I am still skeptical about how you let some of your pitchers "get a shot" at 1st base in front of the only kid on the team that was consisently hitting but I guess we can agree to disagree). Do the coaches carry all of the blame to the point that they deserve to have the entire season blamed on them? Absolutely not.

Did the parents single-handedly ruin the season? No, of course not...but some of them certainly didn't help.

Did some of the players "get what they deserved"? As much as it hurts to say it...yes. I feel to a certain extent that some of the players got out of the season what they put in; which was very little (referring to lack of dedication during off-season workouts and distracted attitudes during practices AND games). Execution and making key plays fall in the players' hands as well. Did Coach Price jump up and catch Evan's shot to left center in a very close hamilton game? No, thats just poor circumstance. Did coach Price run around the infield slapping the ball out of the players' gloves to force the plethora of errors that ruined so many close games? No, thats just plain lack of execution on the player's part.

Bottomline- everybody dropped the ball a little bit and so far Coach Price is the only one who has stepped up and taken responsible for what he views was his part. His missteps this season are in no magnitude great enough to warrant some of the things people have said about him, such as..."Fairfield has some very good baseball people, but when you think you know everything about the game and you rely on people who really do not then you certainly make "mistakes"." Coach Price knows more baseball than you and your enormous...ego could ever dream of.

One question? If you are a Viking Booster, why do you care so much about Fairfield Baseball. You have enough crazy stuff going on in Viking country... Fix that and then try to help Fairfield.

[AmericaOne]

I will agree that it is happening all over the place. My only observation is that the Fairfield threads seem to have a common theme (more so than others) about problems with coaches and parents. That is not specific to baseball. Maybe Sherard can change that.? I am well aware of all that your program does, has done and i am sure will continue to do. Ther is no doubt about that and you can toot your own horn it is well deserved. Why so many problems in Fairfield specifically with coaches and parents? The only thing that I can see is the losing or underachieving by the largest school district in the entire state. Is that it?

Southpaw69: I think there are a lot of people that do not know Yappi exists. I like Coach Price as a man and supported him 100% when he came on last year. I truly wanted him to take this team and make it a winning program. I guess it starts in the off season. I contacted the coach many times offering help in the off season, not from just me but from our trainers, like Leon Durham, pitching help, you name it. It fell on deaf ears. Their are a lot of very knowledgeable parent/coaches whohave had success. Roche Croy lead his Sting team to a World Series in 2005, Mike Schweinfest coached at Miami University and Midland, Dale Shiffman coached and played at a high level, I mentioned a Major League Coaching Gem and Scout John Burden...Right here and not utilized. I know many guys who would have helped FF in the off season but nothing ever happened. I offered to put a full website, interactive like Moeller has, Coach Price never got back to me with what I needed. I think he had too much on his plate. I also think we wanted Coach Price as the coach and he let Adams run the team. This was a big problem with a lot of the parents. The perception was Adams not Price runs the team. This is telling it like it is. You must admit summer baseball is a year round job and endeavor for me, coaching two sports would kill that. To coach a Top Notch Big School like Fairfield should be a year round thing...JMO.... I wish the best for Fairfield..

[IMHO]

IMHO: We waited until the end of the season to say what we feel....My baadd. Meant to get back to you. I am an easy target and I was answering other folks forays into the world of Yappi. Two of the players played outfield, Two played first do to being left handed but with our outfield at times all are very good defensively. Mitch Durbin was the finest hitter I saw on Fairfield this year and I wish him and his family great success. But they had three kids that they NEVER watched hit in a game. One hit in the high .400's as a sophomore on JV.. Shiffman and Silvani both are excellent defensive first basemen that hit .300 or better every summer. Pritchard and Riggs both play outfield also and are also very nice hitters. This is the answer. We had a number of players who did not bat their weight so, why not at least try these other 4 seniors in a scrimmage, non-league game. You do not know what you have until you see them. I hope this answered you my friend.:crush:

A-1: I wasn't taking a shot at you at all. I was just trying to get some info from you guys that know the kids that were mentioned and the players that were given opportunities at the positions that they play. I also wasn't trying to defend the coaches for not using these kids at all at the plate. I was just making a point that sometimes coaches are limited in what they can do based on where kids can play defensively.

[Viking_booster71]

One question? If you are a Viking Booster, why do you care so much about Fairfield Baseball. You have enough crazy stuff going on in Viking country... Fix that and then try to help Fairfield.

Viking is not a reference to Princeton. There are other Vikings out there.

[Viking_booster71]

Southpaw69: I think there are a lot of people that do not know Yappi exists. I like Coach Price as a man and supported him 100% when he came on last year. I truly wanted him to take this team and make it a winning program. I guess it starts in the off season. I contacted the coach many times offering help in the off season, not from just me but from our trainers, like Leon Durham, pitching help, you name it. It fell on deaf ears. Their are a lot of very knowledgeable parent/coaches whohave had success. Roche Croy lead his Sting team to a World Series in 2005, Mike Schweinfest coached at Miami University and Midland, Dale Shiffman coached and played at a high level, I mentioned a Major League Coaching Gem and Scout John Burden...Right here and not utilized. I know many guys who would have helped FF in the off season but nothing ever happened. I offered to put a full website, interactive like Moeller has, Coach Price never got back to me with what I needed. I think he had too much on his plate. I also think we wanted Coach Price as the coach and he let Adams run the team. This was a big problem with a lot of the parents. The perception was Adams not Price runs the team. This is telling it like it is. You must admit summer baseball is a year round job and endeavor for me, coaching two sports would kill that. To coach a Top Notch Big School like Fairfield should be a year round thing...JMO.... I wish the best for Fairfield..

These people you mentioned are all parents of then current players. Please forgive coach price for not wanting you to turn his program into a summer ball-like circus freak show

[Hakko936]

southpaw69: It is easy to blame parents but ultimately the High School coach is being paid. Parents who coach are not paid. We do not make line-ups or get to say who pitches, or what pitch is thrown. A coach coaching two varsity sports at one school. That is $20,000.00 dollars. There was no problems with the parents. They are not volunteering their time...Now some of the assistants like KennY Stewart, A great guy who the players and parents like....The Reed brothers, good guys who are approachable and well respected. I attended every game, cheered for every player, and supported the coaches in many ways. I am not tooting my horn but our summer program did whatever we could supporting the Fairfield program. If you would like I can PM you and tell you what we did. This forum is a place to vent and nothing was said negativley about any of this until the season and banquet was over. If you think Fairfield is the only place thhis is happening, then you have not gotten out laetly. It is happening at many schools.

Parents can and often do sabotage the coach. I have no knowledge of FF baseball, but I have seen teams where parents undermine the coach to the point they are destructive to the team and the coach's ability to reach the players and get the most out of them. Say what you want, but I have never seen an instance where the parents venting after the season is a surprise to anyone. You can normally see it brewing during the season. The players, parents, and coaches know it is coming and it impacts the team.

[SWO_Sports]

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Originally Posted by AmericaOne
Southpaw69: I think there are a lot of people that do not know Yappi exists. I like Coach Price as a man and supported him 100% when he came on last year. I truly wanted him to take this team and make it a winning program. I guess it starts in the off season. I contacted the coach many times offering help in the off season, not from just me but from our trainers, like Leon Durham, pitching help, you name it. It fell on deaf ears. Their are a lot of very knowledgeable parent/coaches whohave had success. Roche Croy lead his Sting team to a World Series in 2005, Mike Schweinfest coached at Miami University and Midland, Dale Shiffman coached and played at a high level, I mentioned a Major League Coaching Gem and Scout John Burden...Right here and not utilized. I know many guys who would have helped FF in the off season but nothing ever happened. I offered to put a full website, interactive like Moeller has, Coach Price never got back to me with what I needed. I think he had too much on his plate. I also think we wanted Coach Price as the coach and he let Adams run the team. This was a big problem with a lot of the parents. The perception was Adams not Price runs the team. This is telling it like it is. You must admit summer baseball is a year round job and endeavor for me, coaching two sports would kill that. To coach a Top Notch Big School like Fairfield should be a year round thing...JMO.... I wish the best for Fairfield..



These people you mentioned are all parents of then current players. Please forgive coach price for not wanting you to turn his program into a summer ball-like circus freak show


Viking you are right on! Coach Price would be out of his mind to have A1 get involved with him running the team. He's a parent and from what I've heard, with the exception of the 17u and 18u Ohio Heat, the rest of that organization is "a summer ball-like circus". From what I've read about on A1's posts, I can believe it's probably true. I also heard a rumor that after this year the big A1 will be bowing down.

[AmericaOne]

A-1: I wasn't taking a shot at you at all. I was just trying to get some info from you guys that know the kids that were mentioned and the players that were given opportunities at the positions that they play. I also wasn't trying to defend the coaches for not using these kids at all at the plate. I was just making a point that sometimes coaches are limited in what they can do based on where kids can play defensively.

I know that was why I gave the love thing. You are correct there is a limit but you must try first then decide. I was just trying to answer a bunch of questions. You had to be there to appreciate the situation.

[AmericaOne]

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Originally Posted by AmericaOne
Southpaw69: I think there are a lot of people that do not know Yappi exists. I like Coach Price as a man and supported him 100% when he came on last year. I truly wanted him to take this team and make it a winning program. I guess it starts in the off season. I contacted the coach many times offering help in the off season, not from just me but from our trainers, like Leon Durham, pitching help, you name it. It fell on deaf ears. Their are a lot of very knowledgeable parent/coaches whohave had success. Roche Croy lead his Sting team to a World Series in 2005, Mike Schweinfest coached at Miami University and Midland, Dale Shiffman coached and played at a high level, I mentioned a Major League Coaching Gem and Scout John Burden...Right here and not utilized. I know many guys who would have helped FF in the off season but nothing ever happened. I offered to put a full website, interactive like Moeller has, Coach Price never got back to me with what I needed. I think he had too much on his plate. I also think we wanted Coach Price as the coach and he let Adams run the team. This was a big problem with a lot of the parents. The perception was Adams not Price runs the team. This is telling it like it is. You must admit summer baseball is a year round job and endeavor for me, coaching two sports would kill that. To coach a Top Notch Big School like Fairfield should be a year round thing...JMO.... I wish the best for Fairfield..






Viking you are right on! Coach Price would be out of his mind to have A1 get involved with him running the team. He's a parent and from what I've heard, with the exception of the 17u and 18u Ohio Heat, the rest of that organization is "a summer ball-like circus". From what I've read about on A1's posts, I can believe it's probably true. I also heard a rumor that after this year the big A1 will be bowing down.

SWO-- It had nothing to do with me. I named a number of very good people who could have "monitored" off season work outs. DO you not agree that more training could or would have helped? Do you just dislike anything or everything I have to say? Believe me Coach Price was a coach on his son's team at Fairfield back when his son played I believe. I did not want to coach. A parent kept the book. You can coach a team and have a kid on it. You can also be successful doing it. Our 16U are very strong, our 15U also are very good, our 13U is right now around 30-1. SO what are you talking about?

The RUMOR is WRONG. When or if I ever have a sub .500 seasonb I would step down.... A1 is stepping it up, not down. More very big plans for the Ohio Heat will be announced very soon. Was just asked to take on another project having to do with baseball at the next level, so I am not leaving.....

[AmericaOne]

These people you mentioned are all parents of then current players. Please forgive coach price for not wanting you to turn his program into a summer ball-like circus freak show

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT A "SUMMER BALL CIRCUS IS". Wow you really do not understand it is not about me or Coach Price. It is about doing what is right for these players. Do you think that more pitching help, more hitting help, and more training would have made these young men worse. No one person knows everything about baseball. SO if not getting these guys to help why not someone else?

[AmericaOne]

Viking is not a reference to Princeton. There are other Vikings out there.

My BAADD!! Did not mean to dis THOR or Eric the Red. lol Just whenever Vikings are bought up it is Princeton.:shrug:

[itsgone]

Wow you really do not understand it is not about me or Coach Price. It is about doing what is right for these players.

While you probably honestly believe that it's not about you or coach Price, saying it's about what is right for the players is just a way to justify this pretty outrageous behavior.

It's all about you, how you think things should be done, and an adamant refusal to accept anything other than how you think things should be done. It's about an ego that always knows best and argues from either side of the fence depending on whether it's HS or summer season.

Doesn't mean you have to agree, doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your own opinion, and doesn't mean that you don't have the right to say it. And now that everyone knows that you don't agree, you still won't let it go, going way beyond passionate to obsessive behavior, dragging the program down even further, and potentially creating baggage that could well follow some of these kids through the college scouting/recruiting process.

Shame on you.

[ButlerCountyFan12]

Between the Lines gets me...first he says Mitch Durbin can't and won't play varsity baseball, then he lobbies for his son who can only play 1B to get more ABs. Unbelievable.

[GCPRO]

A1 and BTL-I was just looking on the Heat website and was wondering if their is a link to past season's schedules and results from your team?

[IMHO]

I know that was why I gave the love thing. You are correct there is a limit but you must try first then decide. I was just trying to answer a bunch of questions. You had to be there to appreciate the situation.

Did Durbin play 1B? If so and according to the GMC stats, Haney and Durbin were the top 2 hitters on the team, did Haney play DH or did he play 3B when not pitching? If he DH wouldn't it be extrememly tough to take your top 2 hitters out in order to get some ABs for guys that only coul play 1B or DH? Especially when your team had the start offensively that you had.

[AmericaOne]

While you probably honestly believe that it's not about you or coach Price, saying it's about what is right for the players is just a way to justify this pretty outrageous behavior.

It's all about you, how you think things should be done, and an adamant refusal to accept anything other than how you think things should be done. It's about an ego that always knows best and argues from either side of the fence depending on whether it's HS or summer season.

Doesn't mean you have to agree, doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your own opinion, and doesn't mean that you don't have the right to say it. And now that everyone knows that you don't agree, you still won't let it go, going way beyond passionate to obsessive behavior, dragging the program down even further, and potentially creating baggage that could well follow some of these kids through the college scouting/recruiting process.

Shame on you.

Itsgone: What do you mean dragging down the program and baggage. Are you or is/was your son part of this team this year? I have the nerve to say what other people have been saying all season. At every ball game I had people come up to me asking why this and why that. I did not say a word on Yappi during the season, but now that it is over and I feel strongly that some of these seniors were done wrong you want me to shut up and go away. Outrageous behavior is having a program steeped in politics and favoritism to the point of allowing some players to not show up for school but still play, while other were there every day and not given a chance. Please you need to check what has gone on before you try to indict me. You have no idea what has gone on or you certainly would not say that I am outrageous.
I help kids with the college scouting and recruiting process. Are you aware that we had a Professional Scout whose son was on the team. Great contact if used properly. Please give me some credit. I write and send profiles to colleges and recuiters all year long. How many letters have you wrote on behalf of an athlete? You obviously do not know me as I have helped many of my players and some that are no longer with me but have called me to ask me to send a letter or talk with a coach for them. Has this happened at Fairfield. Were you aware that one of the Senior pitchers had a D1 school coming to see him pitch and was told he was going to pitch and then because on a rain delay told another pitcher was going to throw. I am sure that helped this young man. If a college is coming to see a player who has been on Varsity since a sophomore was considered the ace for the past two years could not get this accomodation ithink shame belongs elsewhere. I have let it go but you need to know the full story before you say shame on someone...

[AmericaOne]

Did Durbin play 1B? If so and according to the GMC stats, Haney and Durbin were the top 2 hitters on the team, did Haney play DH or did he play 3B when not pitching? If he DH wouldn't it be extrememly tough to take your top 2 hitters out in order to get some ABs for guys that only coul play 1B or DH? Especially when your team had the start offensively that you had.

Mitch Durbin hit consistently throughout the season. Mike Haney struggled at the plate in the first half then came on at the end. Haney played third and outfield some and DH'd some. Haney had the arm to play third but in the beginning they did not play him there...If these GMC stats are correct a Monkey will jump out of where you sit toinight. I kept score all but the last week of the season when I had enough. They were not correct Number One. Number two we were talking about trying these guys at the plate. In the scrimmages, during intersquads, etc. Just see what can they do. You had to be at each game to appreciate it. IT IS OVER and nothing can be done to change it. Lets just not let history repeat itself....

[Touchdownclub80]

A-1 and the others like him are what's wrong with the "new" Fairfield. They all know better than anyone else. Is it any wonder that our all around sports program has decayed from the 80's and 90's to this. Bring back Ben Hubbard and his entourage to straighten out this mess and put the parents where they belong.

[AmericaOne]

A1 and BTL-I was just looking on the Heat website and was wondering if their is a link to past season's schedules and results from your team?

GC: You have to go to each season and you can archive to the correct season all the way back to 10 years old I believe. BTL was with the Sting from 12 to 16 I think... I would be happy to get you those numbers from the past 9 years. They are all there. There is a ton of stuff from 9 years of baseball..

[AmericaOne]

A-1 and the others like him are what's wrong with the "new" Fairfield. They all know better than anyone else. Is it any wonder that our all around sports program has decayed from the 80's and 90's to this. Bring back Ben Hubbard and his entourage to straighten out this mess and put the parents where they belong.

You must not be a parent. The thing is good coaches do not need to "put parents where they belong". They typically say the things I heard last night at the Miami University Hamilton's last game. Parents were talking about how much their sons have learned form Darrel Grissom and how well he coached. How he was a disciplinarian. Not one complaint. He just came off his 8th straight 30+ win season, beating Division 2 JUCO teams, winning the ORCC League and Tournament for the 8th out of 9 times. 35-10 He knows the game and coaches it well. What else would you like to bring back???

[Between the lines]

Between the Lines gets me...first he says Mitch Durbin can't and won't play varsity baseball, then he lobbies for his son who can only play 1B to get more ABs. Unbelievable.

No BC Fan- here is what I REALLY said:

Durbin will be a very good varsity player NEXT YEAR and not until. With 3 or 4 Seniors ahead of him, (not even sure about any Jr's) Mitch will do well to get all his reps and innings on Reserve. After all he's only a Sophomore. I'd be shocked if he moves up unless of a rash of injuries or very, very late in the season. Same, same Cory Holt! See FHS Varsity 2009 for more details!

That is a little different than your version of my saying Durbs won't play varsity baseball. If your gonna call me out, at least get your facts straight. Don't just make things up!:blush:

By the way, my kid can do more than just play 1B. My whole lobbing was simply for some AB's. He got 3 last year and 3 this year under these two coaches. My question is, just how good of a hitter is he? And what did they base their decision on? Did they THINK that he would'nt hit?
He did very well hitting as a Freshman and Sophomore, (his Coach was Tim Adams) and over the past several years during the summer. Common sense would have been to bat him and see what he could do. :) As a baseball guy, I really don't believe that is asking too much is it.

[southpaw69]

3 total? All year? Did he play in the field and not hit? BCfan said he can play no other position other than 1b. So does that mean he did not pitch?

[Between the lines]

Yes they are primarily first basemen. And these same two parents didn't think a sohpmore was qualified to take the position. He was extremely qualified - lead the team in hitting and an all around good kid. This is just one more reason for them to talk bad about the coaches.


You are correct. I really didn't think that this was Mitch's year to play 1B on the varsity. But it wasn't because he wasn't "QUALIFIED." My opinion was that there were a few seniors that had earned the right to play ahead of Mitch. Mitch was absolutely great all year. I am thrilled for him and his family. Good people. Good baseball player. They all know how I feel about Mitch.

Was it a good move chemistry wise. I'm not sure? You tell me. Let's see, I think we started "O" for 13 or 14. What if....... your seniors "leaders" would have played 1B for a few games and Mitchell was steady DH? Would Pritch, Shiff, and Boomer have done the job. WHO KNOWS?

I do know this. It did not help any of these senior's confidence giving the 1B job away after just the first scrimmage game. Had Mitch been put on varsity from day one it wouldn't have been so odd. It doesn't say much for the coaches to look at these kids for weeks & weeks during tryouts and then pulling that move on Day 2. Not very smart in my opinion. We're all different and there's more than one way to skin a cat.

By the way, I supported the coaches for two years and did everything asked when very few others showed up with me for manual labor on more than one occasion. Don't hand me that crap about getting on Yappi and talking bad about the coaches. Chapter and verse please???

[AmericaOne]

You are correct. I really didn't think that this was Mitch's year to play 1B on the varsity. But it wasn't because he wasn't "QUALIFIED." My opinion was that there were a few seniors that had earned the right to play ahead of Mitch. Mitch was absolutely great all year. I am thrilled for him and his family. Good people. Good baseball player. They all know how I feel about Mitch.

Was it a good move chemistry wise. I'm not sure? You tell me. Let's see, I think we started "O" for 13 or 14. What if....... your seniors "leaders" would have played 1B for a few games and Mitchell was steady DH? Would Pritch, Shiff, and Boomer have done the job. WHO KNOWS?

I do know this. It did not help any of these senior's confidence giving the 1B job away after just the first scrimmage game. Had Mitch been put on varsity from day one it wouldn't have been so odd. It doesn't say much for the coaches to look at these kids for weeks & weeks during tryouts and then pulling that move on Day 2. Not very smart in my opinion. We're all different and there's more than one way to skin a cat.

By the way, I supported the coaches for two years and did everything asked when very few others showed up with me for manual labor on more than one occasion. Don't hand me that crap about getting on Yappi and talking bad about the coaches. Chapter and verse please???

BTL: :clap:You are exactly right. Nobody is taking away anything that Mitch did. But they NEVER gave their Seniors a chance. So again how would you feel? If Price was a good coach he would have known that and would have given those who were chosen on Varsity the opportunity to succeed or fail. The KEY word is "OPPORTUNITY", "CHANCE". It was not a mistake it was plain old stupidity and again these Seniors will never get this year back. If anyone should be ashamed it is Coach Price and Adams. By the way Shiffman hit well and pitched well as a sophomore. He hit over .400 and lead the team I believe. My son never was allowed to hit. Not one time in practice, intersquad scrimmage, or game in two years on varsity. But in the summer his first at bats against Murphy from Hamilton were hits. Murphy was considered one of last seasons top pitchers for Hamilton. So they went on the "Think" coaching principle......

[AmericaOne]

3 total? All year? Did he play in the field and not hit? BCfan said he can play no other position other than 1b. So does that mean he did not pitch?

Southpaw69: Coach Price had a double standard . Yes Shiffman or any of the others could have played other positions....Price told me he did not think pitchers should hit. But 2 of the 6 pitchers got to hit. If you have a rule that pitchers do not hit then either everyone follows the rule or do not have the rule. So when all of you who think this man did not antagonize a bad situation. You also can not let some kids miss school and then play in a game. This also happened. These things are now coming to light. Kids suspended for something they did in school and then start the very next game. Come on people. Kids suspended for unsportsman like conduct then given a "sportsman of the year award at the banquet". Is anyone seeing a strange pattern that could have upset the "chemistry"...in the dug out.

[jbravo]

FF fans, the bottom line is that after 4 yrs of these same parents, they are now GONE!! Let them say whatever, it will be fine now that they are GONE!!

Price inherited this bunch (Parent's I mean) and now he or whoever can build the program with new discipline.

[Between the lines]

FF fans, the bottom line is that after 4 yrs of these same parents, they are now GONE!! Let them say whatever, it will be fine now that they are GONE!!

Price inherited this bunch (Parent's I mean) and now he or whoever can build the program with new discipline.

Do you really wanna put all the blame on us parents? Here's some advice from an earlier post:



future fhs baseball players, take my advice- go join the lacrosse or volleyball team till a change is made here. same results next year-guarenteed!

After we horrible parents are gone, I predict the baseball program will continue to stub its toe regardless of the talented players! There remains some issues.....

[ButlerCountyFan12]

You are correct. I really didn't think that this was Mitch's year to play 1B on the varsity. But it wasn't because he wasn't "QUALIFIED." My opinion was that there were a few seniors that had earned the right to play ahead of Mitch. Mitch was absolutely great all year. I am thrilled for him and his family. Good people. Good baseball player. They all know how I feel about Mitch.

Was it a good move chemistry wise. I'm not sure? You tell me. Let's see, I think we started "O" for 13 or 14. What if....... your seniors "leaders" would have played 1B for a few games and Mitchell was steady DH? Would Pritch, Shiff, and Boomer have done the job. WHO KNOWS?

I do know this. It did not help any of these senior's confidence giving the 1B job away after just the first scrimmage game. Had Mitch been put on varsity from day one it wouldn't have been so odd. It doesn't say much for the coaches to look at these kids for weeks & weeks during tryouts and then pulling that move on Day 2. Not very smart in my opinion. We're all different and there's more than one way to skin a cat.

By the way, I supported the coaches for two years and did everything asked when very few others showed up with me for manual labor on more than one occasion. Don't hand me that crap about getting on Yappi and talking bad about the coaches. Chapter and verse please???

Well.................that seemed like a very WISE coaching decision. Durbin was non-replaceable because of his ability. Move on little daddies.

[Between the lines]

Well.................that seemed like a very WISE coaching decision. Durbin was non-replaceable because of his ability. Move on little daddies.

O and 14 to start the season. I'm sure that took several more WISE decisions.

[eye]

its all good guys, this time next year the indians will have contended for the league title, they will battle it out with hamilton and oak hills. All the parents will be happy as they have for the past two to three years. They will not ----- about the coaches as they have not for the last couple of years. This year is over, lets look forward to next year. By the way next year Durbin will be playing first and pitching. If Mitch did not have the year that he did this year then Conner Bieker would have been called up to play first base on the varsity. Again, the seniors would not have gotten any bats. Its all mute at this point so lets have a great summer and work hard for next season.

[BG72]

Listen, the bottom line here from what I have read is that this is not a very talented senior class. Errors , poor pitching performances and the lack of clutch hitting are obstacles that the greatest managers in baseball can not overcome.

[southpaw69]

Listen, the bottom line here from what I have read is that this is not a very talented senior class. Errors , poor pitching performances and the lack of clutch hitting are obstacles that the greatest managers in baseball can not overcome.

I don't have a dog in this but if a senior kid does not pitch and gets three at bats all year.............why bother keeping him in the first place?

[IMHO]

I don't have a dog in this but if a senior kid does not pitch and gets three at bats all year.............why bother keeping him in the first place?

All 4 guys listed including the one you are referring to pitched. Riggs and Pritchard were primarly starters - probably 2 and/or 3 on the staff and Shiffman was a starter/reliever - probably #3 starter or so - pitched well at times and Silvani was a reliever.

[SWO_Sports]

FF fans, the bottom line is that after 4 yrs of these same parents, they are now GONE!! Let them say whatever, it will be fine now that they are GONE!!

Price inherited this bunch (Parent's I mean) and now he or whoever can build the program with new discipline.

This is for all the disgruntle parents from Fairfield. You know who you are!!!
All this is about parents acting like they're still in Little League Baseball. They don't like it that their kids are not playing very much. :confused: They can't accept the fact that the players playing are better baseball players or playing better baseball than their "little Johnny". :Ohno: So the coach is wrong because "my Johnny is good". :mad: Now all of a sudden the coach does everything wrong. They watch the coaches, other players, umpires, and anything associated with the program then criticize everything so they can justify in their minds that "little Johnny" is getting the shaft because "my Johnny is good". :shrug:

Coaches coach at the varsity level to win. They play the best player’s period. :hello: Instead of blaming others, open your eyes, accept the truth, and get "little Johnny" to work harder to get better instead of trying to make everyone else look bad. :Ohno: It takes more work to get better, but it's more rewarding. Have some character, stop making excuses and blaming others because everything didn’t work out the way you wanted. :rolleyes: Teach “little Johnny” that in real life you don’t always get your way. :rainbow:

[itsgone]

Itsgone: What do you mean dragging down the program and baggage. Are you or is/was your son part of this team this year? I have the nerve to say what other people have been saying all season. At every ball game I had people come up to me asking why this and why that. I did not say a word on Yappi during the season, but now that it is over and I feel strongly that some of these seniors were done wrong you want me to shut up and go away. Outrageous behavior is having a program steeped in politics and favoritism to the point of allowing some players to not show up for school but still play, while other were there every day and not given a chance. Please you need to check what has gone on before you try to indict me. You have no idea what has gone on or you certainly would not say that I am outrageous.
I help kids with the college scouting and recruiting process. Are you aware that we had a Professional Scout whose son was on the team. Great contact if used properly. Please give me some credit. I write and send profiles to colleges and recuiters all year long. How many letters have you wrote on behalf of an athlete? You obviously do not know me as I have helped many of my players and some that are no longer with me but have called me to ask me to send a letter or talk with a coach for them. Has this happened at Fairfield. Were you aware that one of the Senior pitchers had a D1 school coming to see him pitch and was told he was going to pitch and then because on a rain delay told another pitcher was going to throw. I am sure that helped this young man. If a college is coming to see a player who has been on Varsity since a sophomore was considered the ace for the past two years could not get this accomodation ithink shame belongs elsewhere. I have let it go but you need to know the full story before you say shame on someone...

I I I I I I .... me me me ..... I thought it was about the players?

It's not just about WHAT you do, but also HOW you do it.

[Viking_booster71]

Southpaw69: Coach Price had a double standard . Yes Shiffman or any of the others could have played other positions....Price told me he did not think pitchers should hit. But 2 of the 6 pitchers got to hit. If you have a rule that pitchers do not hit then either everyone follows the rule or do not have the rule. So when all of you who think this man did not antagonize a bad situation. You also can not let some kids miss school and then play in a game. This also happened. These things are now coming to light. Kids suspended for something they did in school and then start the very next game. Come on people. Kids suspended for unsportsman like conduct then given a "sportsman of the year award at the banquet". Is anyone seeing a strange pattern that could have upset the "chemistry"...in the dug out.

Alright wizard, let me give you a piece of logistical information from lowly "school-ball land". The coaches are asked to make these decisions on who will get the yearly awards very early in the season. Does it seem odd that they have to make these decisions before seeing the year through? Yes, but that is the way publicly funded programs work. They have to fill out all the paperwork and invoices to order the little trophy and have the player's name inscribed on it. The 'incident' you refer to occurred at the end of the season, I believe, when the awards were probably already in the mail.

[Between the lines]

All 4 guys listed including the one you are referring to pitched. Riggs and Pritchard were primarly starters - probably 2 and/or 3 on the staff and Shiffman was a starter/reliever - probably #3 starter or so - pitched well at times and Silvani was a reliever.

IMHO, You handled that very well. Shiffman did well as a starter and not very well as a reliever. Riggs had a great year pitching. Pritch had an off year pitching. Silvani did fine in relief. All 4 could have contributed to the offense if given a chance. The point here is that they were not given a chance to hit. No biggie... I'm certain that all 4 will hit in the summer (life goes on) then all 4 will play college baseball :cool:

[Viking_booster71]

BTL - You titled your post "Bring back Hubs and Gil". But Hubs was removed from the head coaching position for the same thing certain parents are doing to Coach Price...raising h-ll, holding grudges, and placing undue blame on him. If that isn't irony than I don't know what is.

I'm not sure why Gil left the head coaching position at Fairfield but maybe it is the same reason that all successful coaches do (Grippa, Datillo, in the same boat)...to save themselves from a sinking ship. One that is sinking because parents are shooting holes in it while proclaiming divine right and priviledge to do so.

[Viking_booster71]

IMHO, You handled that very well. Shiffman did well as a starter and not very well as a reliever. Riggs had a great year pitching. Pritch had an off year pitching. Silvani did fine in relief. All 4 could have contributed to the offense if given a chance. The point here is that they were not given a chance to hit. No biggie... I'm certain that all 4 will hit in the summer (life goes on) then all 4 will play college baseball :cool:

People (especially the casual observers who didn't see many games), none of these young men (who are 100% pitchers) could have contributed anything substantial to the offense this season. I don't want to be specific as to why, because their fathers are the ones arguing this point and I don't want to light a fire, but take it from me, as someone who is not a father of these children, they would not have contributed offensively. You can say they didn't get a chance, but yes they did. I'm pretty sure everyone gets to hit in the cages during tryouts. I'm sure you guys (being the master coaches you are) know that it doesn't take long for a coach to look at a guy in a cage and know that it isn't going to fly. Wrists aren't quick enough, not enough power in the swing, arms dropping, any number of things can be a red light to a coach and make him look elsewhere for a batter. Especially in school ball where you don't have time to break down fundamentals, remove bad habits, and rebuild the mechanics properly.

Besides, the majority of the year offense was not the biggest problem...pitching and fielding were.

[IMHO]

Leave it to old IMHO to bring some calmness to the tempest!!!!!!!

Put yourself in the coaches shoes -------- Riggs - ends up my #2 starter. Also a kid coming off arm surgery. I do not want to have him throwing from the outfield on days he is not pitching. He becomes a pitcher only. Shiffman ------- my #3 starter, which means he probably is also my first long reliever. I need him on the bench with me in case my starter gets in trouble so he can warm up. I do not want to wiat until the end of an inning for him to warm up. He becomes a pitcher only. Pritchard and Silvani -------- only position they play other than pitcher is 1B. My best hitter also plays 1B. I am having trouble scoring runs so I can not take my best hitter out of the line up. My Dh is also a good hitter. Again becasue I am having trouble getting runs I can not take him out of the line up to get them ABs. I hurt my already poor defense if I play them anywhere else and they are both left-handed so they can only play OF. Silvani CAN NOT play the OF - too slow. All this limits my ability to get them ABs to see if they can contribute to he offense. They become pitchers only.

What am I missing? How can this be such a big issue? The coach didn't do anything wrong. The players defensive abilities, history of arm trouble and the need to keep pitchers on the bench to warm up quickly ( and it looked like not many dominate pitching performances made for many opportunities for this) kept these 4 kids from being offensive players this season not the coaches abilities.

Thank you end of story. Time to move on to where summer baseball takes over and no questionable decisions are made by the coaches. Oh - one final question since it is old IMHO - A-1 Have you ever had parents question you about playing your son at 1B on your summer team?

[ButlerCountyFan12]

O and 14 to start the season. I'm sure that took several more WISE decisions.

Who started 0-14? Shave your mustache.

[ButlerCountyFan12]

IMHO, You handled that very well. Shiffman did well as a starter and not very well as a reliever. Riggs had a great year pitching. Pritch had an off year pitching. Silvani did fine in relief. All 4 could have contributed to the offense if given a chance. The point here is that they were not given a chance to hit. No biggie... I'm certain that all 4 will hit in the summer (life goes on) then all 4 will play college baseball :cool:


If Silvani did good in relief then the Reds had a solid bullpen last season. And if Shiffman plays "college baseball" I will be shocked.

[GCPRO]

Where are these talented seniors expected to play in college. I know Silvani is "signed" to MUH. The others?

[leojames]

GMC website has Cody Riggs listed as going to Shawnee State. He was the only one I saw from FF on the list.

[bigblue02]

Saw FF play twice and sat next to some of those parents and laughed my *** off listening to them. Knowing that my big blue will always beat these whiners as long as the parents rule the roost. I didn't always agree with what the coach did with my son on the blue squad but I would never mention it to my son. All he needed to here was my opinion and he would have had tons of excuses why something went wrong. Those aren't good life lessons. I also had another question. What was Haney's and Pritchard's records this year? I remember last year they had some great games against us but they looked horrible this season. If your top two pitchers aren't performing you will have a bad year. Did one of these guys do something stupid and get suspended for some games also? Heard a rumor but not sure of incident. I guess the coach messed that up also. heeeeeeeeeeee

[brad01]

BTL - You titled your post "Bring back Hubs and Gil". But Hubs was removed from the head coaching position for the same thing certain parents are doing to Coach Price...raising h-ll, holding grudges, and placing undue blame on him. If that isn't irony than I don't know what is.

I'm not sure why Gil left the head coaching position at Fairfield but maybe it is the same reason that all successful coaches do (Grippa, Datillo, in the same boat)...to save themselves from a sinking ship. One that is sinking because parents are shooting holes in it while proclaiming divine right and priviledge to do so.

Hubbard was removed because of 5 losing seasons. Rodney is a good guy but it was not working. Senior parents tried to remove him 3 years before he was fired. They were not successful. The school district gave him 2 more years with basically no parent complaints and still no winning season.

As far as Gil, he was fired by Rodney and the AD at the time. There were issues there that had nothing to do with winning/losing season or parent involvement.
Both coaches appear to be doing well in their new positions.

[GCPRO]

brad01-2005 FF was 13-10, 2006 FF was 12-12. GMC website only goes back to 05, what are losing seasons you speak of?

[Viking_booster71]

Saw FF play twice and sat next to some of those parents and laughed my *** off listening to them. Knowing that my big blue will always beat these whiners as long as the parents rule the roost. I didn't always agree with what the coach did with my son on the blue squad but I would never mention it to my son. All he needed to here was my opinion and he would have had tons of excuses why something went wrong. Those aren't good life lessons. I also had another question. What was Haney's and Pritchard's records this year? I remember last year they had some great games against us but they looked horrible this season. If your top two pitchers aren't performing you will have a bad year. Did one of these guys do something stupid and get suspended for some games also? Heard a rumor but not sure of incident. I guess the coach messed that up also. heeeeeeeeeeee

"I didn't always agree with what the coach did with my son on the blue squad but I would never mention it to my son. All he needed to here was my opinion and he would have had tons of excuses why something went wrong. Those aren't good life lessons."

Wow, night and day from the FF parents on yappi. And I wonder why they swept us (3-0 if you count that ridiculous excuse for a dedication game at Joe Nuxhall Field).

[GCPRO]

don't let bigblue02 fool any of the FF faithful, they have more than their share of troubles with parents there. and that is with a guy with 600 wins, 2 state titles and many conference championships

vikingbooster-it seems you have run off the 2 parent complaintants. it also seems that you are very close to the situation there in candyland. nice gesture. my only question, well i actually have many, would be why the parents would wait until the season is over to run their yappi mouths. stand up people hit a problem head on, not wait until the season is over and whine after the fact. A1 and BTL were strangely silent and almost complimentary down the stretch of the season, then one tourney loss later and all heck breaks loose

[BG72]

If your top two pitchers aren't performing you will have a bad year. Did one of these guys do something stupid and get suspended for some games also? Heard a rumor but not sure of incident. I guess the coach messed that up also. heeeeeeeeeeee

Like I said earlier, your team is only as good as it's senior class. When you have a hard time counting on your seniors, it's difficult to be successful. From what I have read on Yappi (I know Yappi is not always the most accurate source of info!!) it seems like some seniors did not buy into the team concept and just worried about themselves.

[BG72]

I don't have a dog in this but if a senior kid does not pitch and gets three at bats all year.............why bother keeping him in the first place?

I don't disagree with that logic. It sounds like that there was some dead weight that they should of got rid of during tryouts.

[AmericaOne]

don't let bigblue02 fool any of the FF faithful, they have more than their share of troubles with parents there. and that is with a guy with 600 wins, 2 state titles and many conference championships

vikingbooster-it seems you have run off the 2 parent complaintants. it also seems that you are very close to the situation there in candyland. nice gesture. my only question, well i actually have many, would be why the parents would wait until the season is over to run their yappi mouths. stand up people hit a problem head on, not wait until the season is over and whine after the fact. A1 and BTL were strangely silent and almost complimentary down the stretch of the season, then one tourney loss later and all heck breaks loose

GCPRO: SEE MY PM.

[BaseballAmerica1]

So now that the big senior class of 08 is gone...what is to be expected of the Indians in '09?

[AmericaOne]

Leave it to old IMHO to bring some calmness to the tempest!!!!!!!

Put yourself in the coaches shoes -------- Riggs - ends up my #2 starter. Also a kid coming off arm surgery. I do not want to have him throwing from the outfield on days he is not pitching. He becomes a pitcher only. Shiffman ------- my #3 starter, which means he probably is also my first long reliever. I need him on the bench with me in case my starter gets in trouble so he can warm up. I do not want to wiat until the end of an inning for him to warm up. He becomes a pitcher only. Pritchard and Silvani -------- only position they play other than pitcher is 1B. My best hitter also plays 1B. I am having trouble scoring runs so I can not take my best hitter out of the line up. My Dh is also a good hitter. Again becasue I am having trouble getting runs I can not take him out of the line up to get them ABs. I hurt my already poor defense if I play them anywhere else and they are both left-handed so they can only play OF. Silvani CAN NOT play the OF - too slow. All this limits my ability to get them ABs to see if they can contribute to he offense. They become pitchers only.

What am I missing? How can this be such a big issue? The coach didn't do anything wrong. The players defensive abilities, history of arm trouble and the need to keep pitchers on the bench to warm up quickly ( and it looked like not many dominate pitching performances made for many opportunities for this) kept these 4 kids from being offensive players this season not the coaches abilities.

Thank you end of story. Time to move on to where summer baseball takes over and no questionable decisions are made by the coaches. Oh - one final question since it is old IMHO - A-1 Have you ever had parents question you about playing your son at 1B on your summer team?

IMHO: Anyone who comes to our team knows where my son plays. We do not send the same kid out to first every game of the season.... SO if they question me so be it.... My son shares first base, does a good job, hits consitently for average not power, wins when he is on the mound as a starter and does well in relief. How many coaches share positions that their son plays? My son has played every year on a very good team, guest played on very good teams, hits consistently in the cages and works with Bull Durham every off season. He is not blessed with speed or size but works hard. That is all I can ask of him. He also played up a year in for a number of years and some last year. Did well and managed to get hits off some of the best pitchers in the area. WHy this question mattered IMHO I do not know? Furthermore IMHO, we have NEVER had a sub .500....or even close to a losing season.......BIG difference...

[AmericaOne]

G – 7
IP – 13.2
W – 1
L – 2
SV – 0
K – 11
ERA – 8.71

End of Story!

35-7 in summer. END OF THAT STORY.......

[BG72]

good HS coaches should be able to motivate their players to get the most out of them. (see Lakota West) players should get some game strategy, (fundamentals) teaching and respect. they will respond and become better players. Never happened here, never will! ya just cant repetely stab your team's passion, confidence and leadership in its heart and expect positive results.


Point taken, the only things is that there was never going to be positive results when some of your senior class shows no heart to begin with according to what some Yappi Posters have stated.

[leojames]

Nerves have officially been struck again. Carry on.

[ffind18]

So now that the big senior class of 08 is gone...what is to be expected of the Indians in '09?

The only likely set spots will be, most likely; Johnson, Durbin, Holt, Constable, Hathaway, Owens, Gottschall, Woods. After those the spots are up for grabs for a variety of soon to be juniors.

[ButlerCountyFan12]

35-7 in summer. END OF THAT STORY.......

Wait...................................He went 35-7 in one summer season?

Get real.

[AmericaOne]

Wait...................................He went 35-7 in one summer season?

Get real.

Over 4 seasons. You get real...

[GCLHoops]

Over 4 seasons. You get real...


This is exactly the problem with Fairfield athletics... the parents can quote their kids stats from the last four years. Who cares what his stats are?

[BG72]

This is exactly the problem with Fairfield athletics... the parents can quote their kids stats from the last four years. Who cares what his stats are?

Good point, although I feel not all Fairfield parents are like that.

[CinciSportsNut]

It's never the players fault, always the coaches.....lets stone him!

my little johnny didn't make the show because of a (name anything it's not his fault)

Hey heres a suggestion, don't like baseball at Fairfield, send your kid to Badin, they know how to play

[AmericaOne]

This is exactly the problem with Fairfield athletics... the parents can quote their kids stats from the last four years. Who cares what his stats are?

Lets just stop using stats all together in High School since they do not seem to matter anyway. By the way I can quote all my players stats since I was the parent and the coach.. Who cares what you think..

[AmericaOne]

It's never the players fault, always the coaches.....lets stone him!

my little johnny didn't make the show because of a (name anything it's not his fault)

Hey heres a suggestion, don't like baseball at Fairfield, send your kid to Badin, they know how to play

Good point Badin seems to have good coaching. I think they even had better when Maus was there...

[SWO_Sports]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GCLHoops
This is exactly the problem with Fairfield athletics... the parents can quote their kids stats from the last four years. Who cares what his stats are?



Good point, although I feel not all Fairfield parents are like that.

You are correct "not all Fairfield parents". Just read all the Fairfield threads/posts and you'll see it's easy to figure out who the "Bad Seeds Are". It's only a hand full of parents but just enough to cause the cancer that spread through the team this year.
The good news is they are senior parents and they will be gone next year. Just hope the underclassman parents don't follow in their foot steps.