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JUST THE TRUTH
04-19-08, 11:11 AM
Ok, after a lot of thinking I've come to the point where I have to ask the question. Knowing that alot of you outsiders will rag on me for asking, and rag on those who respond. Here it is : Should Price and Adams resign now or wait til the end of the season and get fired?
You cannot be serious???? The staff has had less than 2 years at the school. If he were a smart man he would walk away from all the garbage. Unbelievable!
BlueFan82
04-19-08, 11:47 AM
Here we go! :eek:
Somewhere Rod Hubbard, Phil Bauer, Ben Hubbard, Tim Viox, Jim Carty, Tom Grippa, Scott Datillo, and Matt Whisman are probably somewhere chuckling!
Good LORD!:Ohno:
How about Bluefan? A little sooner than expected. I thought he would get at least 3 years in before they wanted him gone. I wonder if Doc Gamble knows what he is in for? Pretty good list of people there, I mean good people on that list. How sad??????????
AnonymousUserTres
04-19-08, 12:37 PM
Here we go! :eek:
Somewhere Rod Hubbard, Phil Bauer, Ben Hubbard, Tim Viox, Jim Carty, Tom Grippa, Scott Datillo, and Matt Whisman are probably somewhere chuckling!
Good LORD!:Ohno:
Phil Bauer plays baseball at Xavier. At least get the first name right. Hamilton brain cells for ya ! :thumb:
Ok, after a lot of thinking I've come to the point where I have to ask the question. Knowing that alot of you outsiders will rag on me for asking, and rag on those who respond. Here it is : Should Price and Adams resign now or wait til the end of the season and get fired?
After seeing 1 game and giving little thought, how about players keeping their butts on the bench, minds on the game and parents keep the @*&^$#!!! away from the dugout and fence!
JUST THE TRUTH
04-19-08, 01:50 PM
Let's talk about Rodney. They got rid of Rodney for this? A lot better person and a better coach. Whoever was behind that is a %#*^&#* moron! GCPRO, I guess you'll see game 2 tonight. Unless I'm totally out of touch, I believe keeping your team under control is part of your job as a coach. This is real sad they (the coaching staff) are starting to hurt these young men. They are killing their confidence.
Gentlemen, this is one idiot posting something. Please do not lump all Fairfield Parents together. He nor America One speak for the rest of us. I have heard NO rumbling of getting rid of any coaches. I do think I can speak for most of the Fairfield Parents when I say that MOST think America One is an Idiot that makes the rest of us look bad. American One and the Heat organization (I only have knowledge of the now 16year old team and not cliff carters team) are a joke.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-19-08, 03:00 PM
brad01, I feel you're missing the point here. This not just about wins and losses, or little Johnny not getting enough playing time. The problem I'm having goes much deeper. There are some really good young men on this team, and the coaching staff is just killing their self esteem. This could hurt them not just now, but later in life.
OMG-the FF parents have now turned on the voice of FF baseball, America One. I have noticed that he has been strangely absent from these threads over the last 2 days after his meltdown on Thursday. It is very good to see that people are in fact behind the coaching staff.
BlueFan82
04-19-08, 08:06 PM
Phil Bauer plays baseball at Xavier. At least get the first name right. Hamilton brain cells for ya ! :thumb:
He's probably somewhere laughing as well. Don't know about the brain cell thing. We're probably a step above cannabilism which would be defined these
days as eating the carcass of the next coach to encroach on the '014.
Sorry, I only calls em like I sees em.
BlueFan82
04-19-08, 08:06 PM
OMG-the FF parents have now turned on the voice of FF baseball, America One. I have noticed that he has been strangely absent from these threads over the last 2 days after his meltdown on Thursday. It is very good to see that people are in fact behind the coaching staff.
He had another meltdown??
Let's stay on the topic, gentlemen. I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread could take a turn for the worse.
BlueFan82
04-19-08, 08:26 PM
Let's stay on the topic, gentlemen. I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread could take a turn for the worse.
It did...after the words "OK after a lot of thinking"
SWO_Sports
04-19-08, 08:50 PM
Gentlemen, this is one idiot posting something. Please do not lump all Fairfield Parents together. He nor America One speak for the rest of us. I have heard NO rumbling of getting rid of any coaches. I do think I can speak for most of the Fairfield Parents when I say that MOST think America One is an Idiot that makes the rest of us look bad. American One and the Heat organization (I only have knowledge of the now 16year old team and not cliff carters team) are a joke.
I'm glad someone finally set the record straight and seperated the Fairfield faithful from America One. I was starting to wonder, but now have renewed hope for you guys. Try to hang in there, only way to go is up!!
Since I don't get to see the fairfield games can someone post what the FF coaching staff has done wrong to warrant this criticism after only 2 years. I would like to hear what is going on.
brad01, I feel you're missing the point here. This not just about wins and losses, or little Johnny not getting enough playing time. The problem I'm having goes much deeper. There are some really good young men on this team, and the coaching staff is just killing their self esteem. This could hurt them not just now, but later in life.
This is just a flat out ridiculous post.
You are right about one thing though.
The problem(s) YOU are having run much deeper...
JUST THE TRUTH
04-19-08, 10:56 PM
SHILOH, that's just not true. Everyone in group therapy agrees with me. My analyst says I'm making progress. LOL
JUST THE TRUTH
04-19-08, 11:02 PM
Once again, how many young men do you let them hurt before you do something? Do you say it's only been 2 years and 4 young men, or do we do the right thing and stop them now?
Once again, how many young men do you let them hurt before you do something? Do you say it's only been 2 years and 4 young men, or do we do the right thing and stop them now?
What do you mean by hurting players?
Did the coaches do anything tonight of substance to cause the 5-2 loss to Badin?
ilovebeingunknown
04-20-08, 11:30 AM
there was nothing to be done riggs pitched good gave up 3 earned and 2 unearned in the first 2 innings then settled down into a groove going 6 1/3. there was absolutely no hitting for the indians and that is not the coaches fault so you ever think its defense and hitting and team chemistry and lack of heart thats not winning games?? DO NOT BASH THE COACHES
fairfields problems are. . . . .
no heart
the kids dont always get along and talk about eachothers behind their backs
not to many players respect the coaches
some kids dont wanna be there
some kids dont work hard enough
not to good of team chemistry
cant hit well enough
defense always gives up atleast one big inning that they cant overcome.
poor pitching (excluding haney johnson and riggs)
the coaches are doing a fine job and the decision to move haney to the bullpen was def a good idea because now you have riggs and johnson as the main 2 starters and with nobody pitching good out of the bullpen the move haney to the pen to finally be able to be able to take a starting pitcher out and still have a chance to win the ballgame good move by the coaches.
keep playing the wins will come.
WoodyHayes
04-20-08, 11:58 AM
After seeing 1 game and giving little thought, how about players keeping their butts on the bench, minds on the game and parents keep the @*&^$#!!! away from the dugout and fence!
I love baseball and read the threads to try and keep up with things from a distance. If what you said here about parents at the dugout etc, the coaches need to move them where they belong. Kids not keeping their butts on the bench, watching a game is pretty sorry. A quote from an old coach down here comes to mind,
Baseball is an easy game. All you have to do is watch it and execute accordingly.
there was nothing to be done riggs pitched good gave up 3 earned and 2 unearned in the first 2 innings then settled down into a groove going 6 1/3. there was absolutely no hitting for the indians and that is not the coaches fault so you ever think its defense and hitting and team chemistry and lack of heart thats not winning games?? DO NOT BASH THE COACHES
fairfields problems are. . . . .
no heart
the kids dont always get along and talk about eachothers behind their backs
not to many players respect the coaches
some kids dont wanna be there
some kids dont work hard enough
not to good of team chemistry
cant hit well enough
defense always gives up atleast one big inning that they cant overcome.
poor pitching (excluding haney johnson and riggs)
the coaches are doing a fine job and the decision to move haney to the bullpen was def a good idea because now you have riggs and johnson as the main 2 starters and with nobody pitching good out of the bullpen the move haney to the pen to finally be able to be able to take a starting pitcher out and still have a chance to win the ballgame good move by the coaches.
keep playing the wins will come.
Thank you for an insightful post. I am not surprised by AYTHING you have poasted based on the posts I have seen by some of the FF parents and knowing the kids on the team. Too bad because there is some talent on the team just not the intangibles that allow the talent to blossom.
Good luck the rest of the way.
A-1 have you packed it in so you can get ready for the big start to the 18 year old summer season? Maybe you can give us updates and insight from the Miami - Hamilton team next season.
AmericaOne
04-20-08, 01:46 PM
Thank you for an insightful post. I am not surprised by AYTHING you have poasted based on the posts I have seen by some of the FF parents and knowing the kids on the team. Too bad because there is some talent on the team just not the intangibles that allow the talent to blossom.
Good luck the rest of the way.
A-1 have you packed it in so you can get ready for the big start to the 18 year old summer season? Maybe you can give us updates and insight from the Miami - Hamilton team next season.
IMHO: No just doing what Thumper's mom said. "If you do not have anything nice to say, say nothing at all. Have a great day...
Justthetruth-how have the FF coaches "hurt" the young men as you have posted?
The things that are posted on here are ridiculous.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-20-08, 07:51 PM
GCPRO, At this point if I were to be specific about the players I see them hurting it could make it worse. You seem to know a little about coaching High School baseball, maybe you can help. Maybe I expect to much from them. What should their primary responsiblities be? This question is not only being asked to GCPRO, but to the crowd at large.
Ok, after a lot of thinking I've come to the point where I have to ask the question. Knowing that alot of you outsiders will rag on me for asking, and rag on those who respond. Here it is : Should Price and Adams resign now or wait til the end of the season and get fired?
I think it would help Coach Price and Adams if they had some talent to work with. It would be nice to see someone to make a play in the field or at the plate for once.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-20-08, 09:23 PM
Folks, are kids are reading these threads.
Parents should model desirable behavior to their children. Do you want your child to talk bad about others? To be disrespectful to others? To yell at those with whom they disagree? Do you want your child to question and undermine those in positions of authority? I am assuming that the answers to these questions are a resounding "no".
The following behaviors are modeled by parents daily: complaining about the coach/official, arguing with the coach/official, talking bad about the coach/official, telling their child that the coach/official is stupid, incompetent, biased, etc. Hello! If you model this behavior to your children, they will adopt that as their behavior.
Are coaches and officials ever wrong? Yes, frequently. After all, they are human. And, that is exactly how you should discuss these matters with your children. Tell them that the coach/official is human, may have or have not made a mistake. Explain that you may or may not agree. Admit that you may be biased. Teach them that proper behavior dictates that we accept the difference in opinion and move on.
Act Like a parent!
76 Panthers, these players are young men most of them 18, old enough to fight and die for our county. I feel that the position of a coach or official should come with SOME respect,but the rest must be earned. When my children were young we taught them to respect all authority. Now they are at the age were they can determine who deserves respect and who doesn't for themselves.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-20-08, 09:29 PM
I think it would help Coach Price and Adams if they had some talent to work with. It would be nice to see someone to make a play in the field or at the plate for once.
The question was, what are the primary responsibilities of a High School baseball coach.:shrug:
I don't know-keep the scorebook, collect the fees, kiss up to the parents and administrators. Make sure the kids are out talking to their buddies/parents during the game. Pretty simple really, just make sure it is a positive experience for all involved. He should also schedule the mid-game and post game snack. You know juice boxes and snack cakes.
BeenQuietToLong
04-21-08, 12:26 AM
I think it would help Coach Price and Adams if they had some talent to work with. It would be nice to see someone to make a play in the field or at the plate for once.
BG72, there is plenty of talent on Fairfields team. Someone just needs to figure out how to win with it!
BG72, there is plenty of talent on Fairfields team. Someone just needs to figure out how to win with it!
Maybe A-1 will share his baseball knowledge with us on this one!:shrug:
What do the coaches need to do A-1? You have seen all but one or two innings this year.
BG72, there is plenty of talent on Fairfields team. Someone just needs to figure out how to win with it!
I have watched a few varsity games and don't know what else the coaches can do. The boys have to hit and field. The coaches should not be blamed for the kids not hitting. These boys have the talent, they just haven't executed. Some years just aren't there - nothing the coaches really can do.
basesloaded
04-21-08, 10:51 AM
FF has scored the 2nd fewest runs and given up the 3rd most runs in the GMC....not a good combination.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-21-08, 10:59 AM
Gentlemen, I wasn't speaking about just the Fairfield Coaching Staff, but all High School Coaches. Is it thier job to develop, help those that can get to the next level, win, etc... ?
Gentlemen, I wasn't speaking about just the Fairfield Coaching Staff, but all High School Coaches. Is it thier job to develop, help those that can get to the next level, win, etc... ?
I think you can answer your own question!!
It is the job of any coach in any sport at any level to help develop their players to play at the next level. If they don't care about that they probably should not be in coaching.
Just-you know the answer to the question. Why bother with it? With a large group of seniors as FF has, the season could have gone either way. When a team is successful and has large amount of senior leadership those guys can lead a team to great things. Conversely when things go bad those kids would be the first to jump ship. I have no intimate knowledge of what ails the FF baseball program, it seems they lost some tough, close games early and I would imagine fingers began pointing at others. People don't like to sit, when you are winning and sitting it is a little more manageable. When losing and sitting, that is a tough situation.
Um...I hate to be the one to say it but maybe the talent isn't as good at Fairfield as the people at Fairfield think it is. I don't think the GMC is as strong this year as in previous seasons and FF has 1 league win.
Um...I hate to be the one to say it but maybe the talent isn't as good at Fairfield as the people at Fairfield think it is. I don't think the GMC is as strong this year as in previous seasons and FF has 1 league win.
:thumb: You can look for excuses, you can point fingers, you can blow smoke up proverbial holes, but unfortunately I think you may have just hit the nail squarely on the head. At some point players have to start producing if they have the ability and if they don't it is a long season.
Hakko936
04-21-08, 04:41 PM
Ok, after a lot of thinking I've come to the point where I have to ask the question. Knowing that alot of you outsiders will rag on me for asking, and rag on those who respond. Here it is : Should Price and Adams resign now or wait til the end of the season and get fired?
I don't know a thing about FF baseball, but I will give a general comment about situations like this.
The kids are obviously not responding to the coaching. This could be the result of a couple of things, although some are more likely than others.
Most likely - The parents are telling the kids that the coach is an ignorant fool and doesn't know a thing about baseball. The kids see that the parents don't respect the coach and in turn they do not respect the coach. At that point, the coach is effectively sabotaged by the parents.
Fairly likely - The little darling has been told that they are the greatest and any team's failures are not of their doing but the doing of the coaches and other players. When times get tough, this effectively sabotages the coach and team.
Not likely - The new coach and staff are in fact idiots, have no baseball knowledge, and were a horrible choice. If they are, the FF parents have an issue higher up the ladder and the next guy will probably be incompetant as well. They my ultimately be the wrong fit for FF, but I doubt they are incompetent. I just don't see them being incompetent.
In closing, when you have parents and players raising holy ---- about how much talent there is and why can't the coaches do anything with it, you have parents/players with delusions that they are a lot better than they are. You have made the coach's job impossible because he will never have a "team" until that group is GONE. The parents need to get over it and get in the kids head and straighten out the mess THEY created. Tell them the coach makes the rules and if they don't like them, they can always watch from the other side of the fence. If you want to fix the problem, the parents need to start backing the coach (even if they disagree). If you disagree, keep those comments away from the players. You should have no say in how things are done with the HS team.
I don't know a thing about FF baseball, but I will give a general comment about situations like this.
Most likely - The parents are telling the kids that the coach is an ignorant fool and doesn't know a thing about baseball. The kids see that the parents don't respect the coach and in turn they do not respect the coach. At that point, the coach is effectively sabotaged by the parents.
Fairly likely - The little darling has been told that they are the greatest and any team's failures are not of their doing but the doing of the coaches and other players. When times get tough, this effectively sabotages the coach and team.
Until the Fairfield parents let their coaches coach, they will never be a powerhouse again in any sport.
76 Panthers, these players are young men most of them 18, old enough to fight and die for our county. I feel that the position of a coach or official should come with SOME respect,but the rest must be earned. When my children were young we taught them to respect all authority. Now they are at the age were they can determine who deserves respect and who doesn't for themselves.
This is the exact problem w/ FF. It doesn't matter if your 18 or 19 if you are in school or playing for a team you should always respect your coaches or teachers. That is the way it use to be and it still should be that way. If parents are tellling their kids that they do not have to respect their coaches then why have a program for kids to play.
itsgone
04-21-08, 09:47 PM
Most likely - The parents are telling the kids that the coach is an ignorant fool and doesn't know a thing about baseball. The kids see that the parents don't respect the coach and in turn they do not respect the coach. At that point, the coach is effectively sabotaged by the parents.
Fairly likely - The little darling has been told that they are the greatest and any team's failures are not of their doing but the doing of the coaches and other players. When times get tough, this effectively sabotages the coach and team.
Those are good observations, let's make another:
The little darling is part of a summer team that does extremely well, probably playing most of his games in a league around town, parents are telling him that he's elite, parents may be helping with the team or even coaching and take a measure of ownership to the kids, and won't cede that ownership to the HS coach.
Come HS baseball season, parents should be heard only cheering from the stands, and players should be listening to their HS coach.
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