Will Fairfield Finish Last in the GMC?

[The Big X]

In memory of my buddy IMHO and since the discussion of the FF team under the thread Will Fairfield win the GMC? at 0-6 in the league seems to be totally inappropriate let's discuss the more relevant question and why they will or will not. Coaches fault? Players not good enough? Bad chemistry brought on by the parents? Let's keep it civil and geared towards baseball!!!

[Anonymous UserDosage]

this thread makes a lot more sense.

[SWO_Sports]

Although I think this thread is a good idea. I don't think you'll get much response. It will take the whole program to do some soul searching to turn things around. Too much finger pointing going on right now.
I personally hope they do figure it out if only for the young athlete’s sake.
Good Luck Fairfield!!

[GotPop]

:) They may finish last, but when you get to play one of the greatest games invented it's all good. You work hard play hard, achieve some personal goals and most of all hang with your buddies through think and thin and maybe even learn a little something along the way.:cool: Some wins will come their way.

[The Big X]

Although I think this thread is a good idea. I don't think you'll get much response. It will take the whole program to do some soul searching to turn things around. Too much finger pointing going on right now.
I personally hope they do figure it out if only for the young athlete’s sake.
Good Luck Fairfield!!

I agree there may be many issues but here is a prediction from an outsider. Fairfield will be OK starting next season. Team chemistry is one of the biggest reasons why teasm lose that have talent. Starting next season Fairfield has a chance to have much better team chemistry than they have now because the current parent base will be gone. No matter how much you try as a coach to guard against it Parents have a huge effect on a team. If they are negative and have not bought into the system the pplayers will be the same way. Based on the posts I have seen from them the FF team had zero chance to be good thsi year mainly becasue of team chemistry. The talent may be there the heart isn't .

[GCPRO]

i attended tonights game at hhs. how about players, during the game, out of the dugout, conversing with friends, parents, girlfriends, etc. some one is responsible. i will tell you that they look like a talented group of kids. a hhs assistant coach stated they were very talented. unfortunately, 1-6 is what it is. i would venture a guess that no fhs has ever been 0-6 in the gmc, with 14 seniors nontheless.

[SWO_Sports]

I agree there may be many issues but here is a prediction from an outsider. Fairfield will be OK starting next season. Team chemistry is one of the biggest reasons why teasm lose that have talent. Starting next season Fairfield has a chance to have much better team chemistry than they have now because the current parent base will be gone. No matter how much you try as a coach to guard against it Parents have a huge effect on a team. If they are negative and have not bought into the system the pplayers will be the same way. Based on the posts I have seen from them the FF team had zero chance to be good thsi year mainly becasue of team chemistry. The talent may be there the heart isn't .

I also agree with you. From what I read early on during tryouts there were issues about some players showing up. I think they were in trouble before the season even started. I'd be willing to bet most of that was started by parents also (thinking that Johnny should make the team or play more because their son showed up to practice or tryouts more often). I'm not saying anyone particular was right or wrong because I don't the whole story. It just seems this issue (whoever’s fault it was) was the catalyst to where they are now. :shrug:

[GCPRO]

I think FF will end somewhere around 8-10 in the league and probably around
.500 overall. They have a talented group of kids, just have had some tough luck to open the season. That is what is most suprising about the two games with HHS. I believe Hamilton started 5 sophomores last night. FF has a talented and large senior class that has supposedly played a high level of summer ball. You would think that they would have the upper hand in the two tightly played games. Yet, I still see them turning things around.

[coach1]

I know FF was counting on a core of senior players that have played together and at the upper levels of summer baseball competition. Croy, Ventling, Schweinfest, Haney, Pritchard, Shiffman. First there was no hitting, then pitchers gave up runs plus key errors and now some of the players are hurt or playing hurt but they are scoring runs. Durbin obviously the bright spot after 8 games. It will get better!

[Between the lines]

I know FF was counting on a core of senior players that have played together and at the upper levels of summer baseball competition. Croy, Ventling, Schweinfest, Haney, Pritchard, Shiffman. First there was no hitting, then pitchers gave up runs plus key errors and now some of the players are hurt or playing hurt but they are scoring runs. Durbin obviously the bright spot after 8 games. It will get better!

Shiffey got his FIRST Varsity start today against Moeller. He had a 2-hitter and a 3-1 lead into the 5th inning. Then a couple of errors. Then..... 1-7!

To date, Seniors: Shiffman, Riggs, Prichard, and Silvani have a cumlitive total of ZERO at bats. Time to get them some swings. It certainly won't hurt. Heck their 1-7. I'd have loved to see Riggs in today's outfield lineup and running the bases.

[The Big X]

Shiffey got his FIRST Varsity start today against Moeller. He had a 2-hitter and a 3-1 lead into the 5th inning. Then a couple of errors. Then..... 1-7!

To date, Seniors: Shiffman, Riggs, Prichard, and Silvani have a cumlitive total of ZERO at bats. Time to get them some swings. It certainly won't hurt. Heck their 1-7. I'd have loved to see Riggs in today's outfield lineup and running the bases.

BTL - The Moeller web site box score for the game has FF with 1 error and that was on the catcher allowing a runner to advance to 2B. All six runs were listed as earned runs. Why mention a couple of errors like that is what lost the gaem? It looks like it was a good game and Moeller won. Another tough close loss for FF.

[gogo24]

BTL - The Moeller web site box score for the game has FF with 1 error and that was on the catcher allowing a runner to advance to 2B. All six runs were listed as earned runs. Why mention a couple of errors like that is what lost the gaem? It looks like it was a good game and Moeller won. Another tough close loss for FF.

I was at the game and he did pitch pretty well early but Moeller hit alot of balls hard that were right at someone. The only error was on the catcher trying to pick off a runner at first and there was a wild pitch in the same inning that the catcher couldn't keep from getting by. But the defense made some nice plays behind the pitcher as well, that kept him from getting into trouble and the home run he gave up was smashed over the 385 fence. I guess what i'm saying is that the pitcher wasn't horrible, but he lost the game himself, not because of errors.

[Between the lines]

BTL - Why mention a couple of errors like that is what lost the gaem? It looks like it was a good game and Moeller won. Another tough close loss for FF.

Agreed it was a good game! Errors are also a part of the game! My reason for mentioning it was that there is a big difference in physical errors (they do happen) and mental errors. Why, winning a game (against a very formible foe in Big Moe) by a 3-1 score, in the 5th inning, does the catcher try to pick a runner off of first base? IMO, the pitcher threw over 4 or 5 times and was doing just fine holding the runner close. If you saw the look that coach Price gave to his catcher, he too understood what I am trying to convey here. This is one of the big reasons why FHS is 1-7 in my opinion. Bad (mental) decisions almost every single game! The 2nd error was on the pitcher himself in the form of a WP. (I was told at the time that it happened, that it was a passed ball) I could just see at that point in time, a little frustration on the pitcher's face. Mabey he lost his composure, his focus, whatever, and made a bad pitch a few minutes later. (on the HR)

Oh well as they say, it is what is is!

I do believe that if anyone on the red side was asked before the game if they would be happy with a 3-1 lead into the 5th inning against Mo with Oltorik pitching, they would have been thrilled. I personally spoke with Shiffey (SP) after the game and he said that it was his loss and that is why he asked Price to stay in for the 6th down just 1 run. No excuses! Just a competitive desire to win.

[Reality Factor]

BTL he should have been pulled after 3,maybe 4! The throw to 1st had no impact on the out come. The 2 run homer did. He shouldn't have been in the game at that point anyway. Leave the catcher out of it, he's the only real catcher we have. The other kid is just a kid that "catches". Yes we make mental errors,but I don't think the player are making them.

[Between the lines]

BTL he should have been pulled after 3,maybe 4! The throw to 1st had no impact on the out come. The 2 run homer did. He shouldn't have been in the game at that point anyway. Leave the catcher out of it, he's the only real catcher we have. The other kid is just a kid that "catches". Yes we make mental errors,but I don't think the player are making them.

With a name like Reality Factor, you may need a dose of reality. Price or Adams did not throw the ball into right field. And how do you get off saying this kid should have been pulled while throwing a 2-hitter into the 5th inning? As a coach, On what grounds do you tell your pitcher that your pulling him with a 3-1 lead?

[brad01]

With a name like Reality Factor, you may need a dose of reality. Price or Adams did not throw the ball into right field. And how do you get off saying this kid should have been pulled while throwing a 2-hitter into the 5th inning? As a coach, On what grounds do you tell your pitcher that your pulling him with a 3-1 lead?

I was at the game and heard from many people that he was in one inning to long. It seems thats what has been hurting Fairfield, they are leaving all their pitchers in one inning too long - not just him.

[Between the lines]

I was at the game and heard from many people that he was in one inning to long. It seems thats what has been hurting Fairfield, they are leaving all their pitchers in one inning too long - not just him.

Agreed! Shiffman should have been pulled AFTER the 5th inning, losing 4-3. He earned the right to go that far. Had he been removed then, it would have only been a 1-run game.

[The Big X]

With a name like Reality Factor, you may need a dose of reality. Price or Adams did not throw the ball into right field. And how do you get off saying this kid should have been pulled while throwing a 2-hitter into the 5th inning? As a coach, On what grounds do you tell your pitcher that your pulling him with a 3-1 lead?


On the grounds that the kid hasn't pitched much if at all all season so his arm probably isn't stretched out enough to expect him to go into the 5th inning against a good team like Moeller. Use your relief pitchers to get the win instead of waiting until the other team has the lead. The kid pitched a great game that doesn't always mean you pitch a complete game.

ALso - please stop harping on a kid that thrwe a ball away while trying to make a play. That happens in baseball. Other players are supposed to pick up the players that make mistakes not use them to say a kid lost the game. Please read my comment in the other FF thread just started today. IMHO - take a little advice FF might start winning these close games instead of losing them.

[AmericaOne]

On the grounds that the kid hasn't pitched much if at all all season so his arm probably isn't stretched out enough to expect him to go into the 5th inning against a good team like Moeller. Use your relief pitchers to get the win instead of waiting until the other team has the lead. The kid pitched a great game that doesn't always mean you pitch a complete game.

ALso - please stop harping on a kid that thrwe a ball away while trying to make a play. That happens in baseball. Other players are supposed to pick up the players that make mistakes not use them to say a kid lost the game. Please read my comment in the other FF thread just started today. IMHO - take a little advice FF might start winning these close games instead of losing them.

Big X: I agree with both your posts. Let the kids play and they will sort it out. But the bigger picture is it takes two to three pitchers in the early spring with the cold weather we have been having. I agree change the pitcher when you got the lead. Not when you go down one and/or leave a run on the field for another pitcher to deal with. I think a pitcher who goes in with a lead is much more confident than one having to go in with the game tied or behind by a run. It is true and I might get hammered for this but you have to know when to change pitchers and brad01 said it, it has been too little too late. The error to right did not have a bearing on the game, the home run certainly did. The runner only advanced to second and then home on the home run.

[Reality Factor]

BTL if they would have pulled him after 4 he would have a shot at the win. Oh by the way the kid that they put in today to catch is that what you want?

[deerhunter]

BTL if they would have pulled him after 4 he would have a shot at the win. Oh by the way the kid that they put in today to catch is that what you want?

Reality Factor you do need a reality check. Why are you bashing the other catcher, where is the team work and letting the coaches decide who plays.
Oh by the way the other kid that "catches" has a scholarship to play baseball.

[Reality Factor]

Reality Factor you do need a reality check. Why are you bashing the other catcher, where is the team work and letting the coaches decide who plays.
Oh by the way the other kid that "catches" has a scholarship to play baseball.

WOW ! Not bashing just ask the question. I had a major reality check this year with this group,0-7 in GMC! By the way how many kids has he thrown out this year? Has the other kid had any balls roll in the dugout? Just wondering.

[The Big X]

The annual clash between Middletown and Fairfield just may decide the question. Maybe FF can come back against Mason in game 2 to get their first conference win.

Who would have thought at the start of the season that this thread would have more relevance than the "Can FF win theGMC thread"?

[BigBlueDawgPound]

Yeah I think Middletown will be finishing dead last, but the fairies just might shock us all?????????

[LovelandMiddie]

Will Fairfield Finish Last in the GMC?

No! Middletown always gets that honor of being last. 2006,2007, 2008?

[Reality Factor]

Reality Factor you do need a reality check. Why are you bashing the other catcher, where is the team work and letting the coaches decide who plays.
Oh by the way the other kid that "catches" has a scholarship to play baseball.

By the way,when did Sinclair start giving scholarships for any athletics? I don't think they can do that,but I'll admit that sounds good.

[GCPRO]

Reality Factor-the answer is the same day that one signs a national letter of intent to attend MUH. Actually I do think that Sinclair offers athletic scholarships.

[bigdave7]

Another player on the team also has a scholarship! I just heard last night that Wade Stacy received 2 academic scholarships (from Wittenburg and University of Dayton) congratulations and good job!