View Full Version : Walsh Jesuit leaving their district???
Devils21
01-01-08, 06:45 PM
i've been hearing that walsh is now out of their district... anyone know if this is true?
Hey Devil fan, you can only hope so for Tallmadge's sake. Until they leave, Tallmadge will never advance out of that district.
GRPride86
01-03-08, 09:13 AM
I hope they don't leave the district. I think the next couple of years will be very interesting. And usually, Tallmadge is the only team to give Walsh a game in the district.
Your completely wrong about Tallmadge being the only team giving Walsh a game in the district. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Last year, Walsh crushed Tallmadge and their so-called Little League All Stars. In 2006 Walsh mercied Tallmadge in the district. The team that Walsh and everyone else in the district needs to keep an eye on if Field. Field gave the game away against Walsh in the district last year, leading 1-0 going into the last inning.
The pitcher for Field (forget his name) was great, and he's back again this year. All it takes is one great pitcher, and Field has one.
BuckNut2006
01-04-08, 01:42 PM
Your completely wrong about Tallmadge being the only team giving Walsh a game in the district. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Last year, Walsh crushed Tallmadge and their so-called Little League All Stars. In 2006 Walsh mercied Tallmadge in the district. The team that Walsh and everyone else in the district needs to keep an eye on if Field. Field gave the game away against Walsh in the district last year, leading 1-0 going into the last inning.
The pitcher for Field (forget his name) was great, and he's back again this year. All it takes is one great pitcher, and Field has one.
In the regular season, who is the only local team to beat Walsh two years in a row?
Answer: STVM! Actually STVM was beating Walsh, I think 6-1 when the 2007 game was rained out. It was never completed. Technically a STVM win?
All Day
01-04-08, 04:24 PM
Hey Devil fan, you can only hope so for Tallmadge's sake. Until they leave, Tallmadge will never advance out of that district.
Hmmmm that's interesting. Last time I checked, in order to make it to the state finals three years in a row, you needed to make it out of your district? No?
BDevil41
01-04-08, 04:24 PM
Your completely wrong about Tallmadge being the only team giving Walsh a game in the district. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Last year, Walsh crushed Tallmadge and their so-called Little League All Stars. In 2006 Walsh mercied Tallmadge in the district. The team that Walsh and everyone else in the district needs to keep an eye on if Field. Field gave the game away against Walsh in the district last year, leading 1-0 going into the last inning.
The pitcher for Field (forget his name) was great, and he's back again this year. All it takes is one great pitcher, and Field has one.
Sorry the "Little League All Stars", being sophomores didn't put the rest of the team on their backs and carry them to victory. What do you have against them anyway? I've seen you post something else negative about them before. By the way, the pitcher from Field is Cody Umbright, and hes pretty dam* good. Only a junior this year too.
All Day
01-04-08, 04:26 PM
Your completely wrong about Tallmadge being the only team giving Walsh a game in the district. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Last year, Walsh crushed Tallmadge and their so-called Little League All Stars. In 2006 Walsh mercied Tallmadge in the district. The team that Walsh and everyone else in the district needs to keep an eye on if Field. Field gave the game away against Walsh in the district last year, leading 1-0 going into the last inning.
The pitcher for Field (forget his name) was great, and he's back again this year. All it takes is one great pitcher, and Field has one.
Hmmmm that is almost as interesting. Dating back to 1998, Tallmadge has only missed the District Finals once, MAYBE twice. I guess Walsh should still worry about Field more than Tallmadge though. It's not like Tallmadge and Walsh go at it every year. Sheesh, you are off.
All Day, my point was that Tallmadge HAS NOT been a formidable opponent is this district in recent years. Yes, they have advance to the district final, but they did not give Walsh a game. In 2006 they were mercied and in 2007 they were beat pretty bad by Walsh. It's just my opinion, but I believe Field and their pitcher (I believe he is a senior this year) offer more of a threat to Walsh in a one game situation than Tallmadge will. Of course, Field would have to not already burned that pitcher before the district final. I know Tallmadge believes that they have the team this year, and perhaps next with that Little League group, but as a casual observer, I just have not seen the talent with that group that will carry them past Walsh.
Umbright from Field is a junior. He is very tough. As for Walsh they are always tough and probably will be the team to beat again this year. Not to start a big debate but I do have to say, and I know alot of people are tired of hearing this, Tallmadge and Field are kids from within their community not a travel team as Walsh. I am not taking anything from Walsh as they are the premier High School team in area.
Kzr0 I agree with you. We all know that there is always going to be the public vs. private school debate, but I for one get sick of reading about it.
The situation is what it is, but I will say this with regard to baseball. When your in a one and out playoff situation, it is very possible for any team, public or private to take a powerhouse team out. We've all seen it. You get one stud pitcher, or you get one crafty pitcher throwing junk, and you never know. As I said before, Ellet did this to Walsh last year. That is what makes the high school game fun.
BuckNut2006
01-07-08, 02:16 PM
Kzr0 I agree with you. We all know that there is always going to be the public vs. private school debate, but I for one get sick of reading about it.
The situation is what it is, but I will say this with regard to baseball. When your in a one and out playoff situation, it is very possible for any team, public or private to take a powerhouse team out. We've all seen it. You get one stud pitcher, or you get one crafty pitcher throwing junk, and you never know. As I said before, Ellet did this to Walsh last year. That is what makes the high school game fun.
Exactly, as Norton did vs. Walsh 3 or 4 years ago. That Walsh team was predicted to win the SC.
I agree to a degree. That Norton game in 05 really was the result of Walsh not using their best pitcher, but that is another story.
BDbball7
01-08-08, 10:40 AM
I hate to use it as an excuse but Tallmadge and Field were and are still very young teams. As Bluedevil41 said, you can't expect a group of mostly sophomores and juniors to carry a team past some one like Walsh. How many sophomore starters did Walsh have? Because I know Tallmadge had 6 or 7 a game. So where you are getting your thought that Tallmadge will never give Walsh a game i don't know.
BaseballRepresent
01-08-08, 03:23 PM
huh. if this is true, that's a surprise for sure. I can't see why, unless they've found a district that's more competitive.
I guess were getting a little off the topic here. To get back to the subject, I have not heard anything or read anything about Walsh leaving their district. What they need to work on with that district is the following: 1. Get the games out of Summit Lake. The city maintenance crew (or lack of it), is a joke. It seems every year the games get rescheduled at the last minute due to the field conditions, or they back up the games, and you have teams ending games around midnight, then having to go to school the next day, and play again the following day. That is unfair to these kids, especially in a one and out tournament. 2. Get some of the city teams in their own district. Every year you see scores like 20-2 when Walsh play Akron East. What is the point? 3. Get some young umpire crews to work these games (This might be a whole seperate topic, especially in the NEO area). I have nothing against the elderly, but some of these guys just cannot physically do the things required by an umpire. I'm getting off the topic again, but since we were talking about this district, I thought I would share my opinion.
GRPride86
01-09-08, 10:29 AM
Why not have the district championship at the Areos field. I'm pretty sure that they have the city championship game there.
Excellent point. It just makes too much sense.
BaseballRepresent
01-09-08, 11:36 PM
I think that summit lake although it has a rich history, it's time to either upgrade that field, or keep it only for our 40+ friends who participate in the men's softball leagues. That field just degrades high school competition. it's always out of whack.
As for the Akron Aeros thing- genius. I think all district and regional games, if this is possible, which i don't see why it wouldnt be, should be played at the premier venues around the state such as college fields and the professional fields as well. Keep the State Title game at Cooper's Stadium in C-Bus, obviously, and then move it into whatever their new stadium will be called.
p.s.- back to the topic and to answer the question- I'll believe it when i see it. pretty smart-assish but eh.
earholem
01-11-08, 08:35 AM
I hate to use it as an excuse but Tallmadge and Field were and are still very young teams. As Bluedevil41 said, you can't expect a group of mostly sophomores and juniors to carry a team past some one like Walsh. How many sophomore starters did Walsh have? Because I know Tallmadge had 6 or 7 a game. So where you are getting your thought that Tallmadge will never give Walsh a game i don't know.
Starting 6/7 soph.'s a little stretch.I believe that # is closer to 4.
Not to many teams from 1 zip code assemble 20 win seasons, year after year.
Tallmadge will continue to be a force and have had some good games against Walsh that could have gone either way the last 5/6 years.
Don't count Hoban out off this mix because they are loaded this year and may have the most complete pitching/cathching staff around.
"Sophomore's starting" I'm not sure how many soph's started for Tallmadge last year. Regarding how many Walsh starters were soph's, it doesn't matter. Most of their JV kids would be starting on varsity at most other schools. That's just the way the program is. Your elite varsity players at Walsh normally do not see much time until their junior season.
"Not to many teams from 1 zip code assemble 20 win seasons, year after year". Very True.
"Tallmadge will continue to be a force and have had some good games against Walsh that could have gone either way the last 5/6 years". Somewhat agree, although the last two years 06 and 07 have not been close contests. Walsh mercied Tallmadge in 06, 13-3, and beat Tallmadge pretty good last year 8-2. Tallmadge has always had a great feeder program from their Little League program. Not sure if their bringing through the same talent. Their very successful little league group (09 class) seems to have talent that has not translated to on the field success yet. Perhaps their best years are coming in 08 and 09.
"Don't count Hoban out off this mix because they are loaded this year and may have the most complete pitching/cathching staff around". Very True. They have some very good talent this year. I think it also helps that Gustoff is gone. His teams never seemed to respond to him on the field.
BuckNut2006
01-11-08, 01:43 PM
I agree to a degree. That Norton game in 05 really was the result of Walsh not using their best pitcher, but that is another story.
As a result of underestimating Norton. If I remember correctly, didn't Norton win another 2 or 3 games after beating Walsh?
All Day
01-11-08, 01:51 PM
Their very successful little league group (09 class) seems to have talent that has not translated to on the field success yet. Perhaps their best years are coming in 08 and 09.
20+ W against one of the toughest schedules around. Suburban League Champions. District Finalist. No success?
BDevil41
01-11-08, 04:06 PM
I truly think that a lot of posters here on yappi enjoy listening to themselves talk, even though they know absolutely nothing about the topics they're addressing.
Time to move onto another topic. I did not mean to offend the Tallmadge followers. I only point out the facts. Regardless of your 20+ wins, and your so called tough schedule, your ultimate success will be determined with how you can do coming out of the district. The last several years Tallmadge has not advanced to the Regional. Until they do that, they will always be viewed as a very good program, just not amongst the elite.
BuckNut2006
01-14-08, 12:20 PM
Time to move onto another topic. I did not mean to offend the Tallmadge followers. I only point out the facts. Regardless of your 20+ wins, and your so called tough schedule, your ultimate success will be determined with how you can do coming out of the district. The last several years Tallmadge has not advanced to the Regional. Until they do that, they will always be viewed as a very good program, just not amongst the elite.
As one sportswriter said:
"There is a difference between a winning program and a championship program".
He was NOT referring to high school baseball, but a pro football team.
All Day
01-14-08, 06:04 PM
As one sportswriter said:
"There is a difference between a winning program and a championship program".
He was NOT referring to high school baseball, but a pro football team.
Tallmadge made it to the state championship three years in a row.
But ok, im with tapNeo for once and agree we should move on to a new topic.
What starters does Walsh return this year?
WJ Backer
01-14-08, 09:30 PM
Walsh should be able to boast having a line-up of starters from last year (varying degree's) at every single position but 2B plus three very good pitchers. Here's my take . . . anxious to see how close I come . . .
1B will either be a returning SR or a Soph returning letterman (Emmendorfer or Berry with the other "DH" ing), 2B is wide open with four returning lettermen battling with no real clear cut leader, SS is locked in with KSU signee Brunello who has started there for the past two years ans was member of the Varsity as F and 3B is Fasola, Soph who started 8 or 9 games as a true Frosh last year there, OF loaded with talent and set with some combo of Charles, Ferrara and Ontko, two SR's and a very talented Soph with all having started multiple games last year. C is two yr starter and very experienced JR Toland and key pitchers are SR's L Starn last year's No. 2 and Bellaire a KSU recruit and up and comer righty Soph Skulina will be a hoss as he was Newcomer of the year in the CVRC last year.
They also have tons of backup players who will push these guys but that appears what they will look like comin' out and they really should be tough as apparently so will Tallmadge and Hoban.
earholem
01-14-08, 10:47 PM
Time to move onto another topic. I did not mean to offend the Tallmadge followers. I only point out the facts. Regardless of your 20+ wins, and your so called tough schedule, your ultimate success will be determined with how you can do coming out of the district. The last several years Tallmadge has not advanced to the Regional. Until they do that, they will always be viewed as a very good program, just not amongst the elite.
I disagree, success can be determined by seasons and also by looking at the state final four the last 7 years.
There were 7 teams that made it twice, Belfontaine, Canfield, Lakewood Hebron, Notre Dame Cathedral Latin, Stubinville, Walsh and yes Tallmadge.
5 of those won State titles and yes Tallmadge was one of them.
I think you can classify all the above teams as elite.
Please, engage brain before opening mouth.Just the facts
BDevil41
01-14-08, 11:05 PM
I like you ^:)
bluedevil42390
01-22-08, 06:16 PM
Walsh should be able to boast having a line-up of starters from last year (varying degree's) at every single position but 2B plus three very good pitchers. Here's my take . . . anxious to see how close I come . . .
1B will either be a returning SR or a Soph returning letterman (Emmendorfer or Berry with the other "DH" ing), 2B is wide open with four returning lettermen battling with no real clear cut leader, SS is locked in with KSU signee Brunello who has started there for the past two years ans was member of the Varsity as F and 3B is Fasola, Soph who started 8 or 9 games as a true Frosh last year there, OF loaded with talent and set with some combo of Charles, Ferrara and Ontko, two SR's and a very talented Soph with all having started multiple games last year. C is two yr starter and very experienced JR Toland and key pitchers are SR's L Starn last year's No. 2 and Bellaire a KSU recruit and up and comer righty Soph Skulina will be a hoss as he was Newcomer of the year in the CVRC last year.
They also have tons of backup players who will push these guys but that appears what they will look like comin' out and they really should be tough as apparently so will Tallmadge and Hoban.
WJ Backer: What about Matt Keller?Won't he be pushing for a starting spot in the WJ outfield? I play on his summer team and he is one of if not the best player on our team. He has an outstanding bat and is a great outfielder. I couldn't see him not starting this year...
I think Tallmadge should go into Walsh's district bracket and meet them in the semi's instead of the finals. Tallmadge will have a hard time beating Walsh with their number two. I am not saying they can't, I am saying I would put my money on Mace beating them and letting their number two go up against Hoban or Field. If Umbright can beat Mcmillen then they don't have a number two to shut down Tallmadge. If Hoban wins they will have to deal with Choban who will be a tough one to beat but... Either way I don't think any of the teams number two can beat Walsh.
devilsathletics
01-29-08, 09:27 PM
Saying that Tallmadge started 6 to 7 sophomores a game last year is no exaggeration. I can name every one of those players and then a few more from that class that played the entire season on varsity. Make no mistake this class is not a joke and has disappointed no one. Tallmadge carries maybe the toughest schedule in NEO including last season and this upcoming season. They finished at 21-8. Tallmadge played maybe their worst game all season against Walsh and pitched their #4. They lost by 6. Walsh is good. But these next two years Tallmadge will take the district.. and then some. Don't blink now.. but we may be reminising about that spectacular 2002 season very shortly. It's a bold statement but I truely believe this season and next season are going to be something special.
earholem
01-30-08, 09:00 AM
Saying that Tallmadge started 6 to 7 sophomores a game last year is no exaggeration. I can name every one of those players and then a few more from that class that played the entire season on varsity. Make no mistake this class is not a joke and has disappointed no one. Tallmadge carries maybe the toughest schedule in NEO including last season and this upcoming season. They finished at 21-8. Tallmadge played maybe their worst game all season against Walsh and pitched their #4. They lost by 6. Walsh is good. But these next two years Tallmadge will take the district.. and then some. Don't blink now.. but we may be reminising about that spectacular 2002 season very shortly. It's a bold statement but I truely believe this season and next season are going to be something special.
I counted 5 Soph. last year starting (3 seniors starters graduated and 2 juniors coming back which left how many spots)???
I agree with you that Tallmadge will have a good year. For them to have a great year they need to shore up pitching and defence, not to mention a key couple positions.
pnthrz4life
01-31-08, 11:16 AM
Does Tallmadge have a catcher to come in and fill the shoes of the senior that graduated last year? He wasn't the best catcher in the world, but he got the job done. If they don't have a catcher, Tallmadge has no chance at Walsh. This is because Walsh is probably the best team I've seen in utilizing the other team's weakness to succeed.
earholem
02-02-08, 11:22 AM
Does Tallmadge have a catcher to come in and fill the shoes of the senior that graduated last year? He wasn't the best catcher in the world, but he got the job done. If they don't have a catcher, Tallmadge has no chance at Walsh. This is because Walsh is probably the best team I've seen in utilizing the other team's weakness to succeed.
catchers but I believe they have 4/5 in house.I don't believe they will fill any weak positions.Replacing CF position will be tougher then the plate.
Tallmadge pretty deep in all positions.
If 3 pitchers step up then Tallmadge will make a deep run.
Good Luck facing Walsh's #1 and #2 this year. Suggestion, this thread was started about Walsh leaving their district, which is untrue. Why don't you Tallmadge folks start a new thread entitled how great Tallmadge baseball is, and have a field day.
allstarcoach
02-03-08, 09:10 PM
tapNeo, try giving Tallmadge a little credit... sure we have been a little down the last 2 years, with a only a handful of talented seniors on the 06 and 07 teams, we dont have 80 people try out each year for the baseball team like Walsh does. Even this year, we still only have a couple talented seniors, but they are talented, combined them with the junior class, this years team will compete with and above most teams they face this year.
We have 13 kids on this years team that have played at the highest possible level of competition last summer, against some of best pitchers in the 3 state area. Walsh's #1 or #2 wont scare them. they have seen it all before...you may need the luck when facing our #2...
Is Walsh an elite team? You should be with your talent pool, but there are years when they lose to the true local teams, Field and Tallmadge both have legitimate shots this year and next... your shot will come again in 2010. Good Luck
BENSPAPA8
02-03-08, 09:25 PM
We have 13 kids on this years team that have played at the highest possible level of competition last summer, against some of best pitchers in the 3 state area.
I admire the Tallmadge/WJ rivalry.
Playing against some of the best in a 3 State area is standard premier summer baseball.
The highest level of competition is playing against the top national competition, where future millionaires throw 94 mph and you have a wooden bat in your hands.:cool:
That aside, both teams have some real good players.
Great point BensPapa. Facing the best pitching is often a perception, not a reality. With that said, let me say that I have admired the Tallmadge program
over the years. I know we have several Tallmadge posters on this board, and they are very excited about the prospects their team brings for this year and next, but until they win the district, the jury will be out on just how good this group of Little League All Stars is. But, with the one and out playoff system in high school baseball, this may just be their year. I'd keep my eye on Field or Hoban though in that District. I think Walsh and Tallmadge are going to get all the attention, but I look for one of them to be bumped out before the district final.
BaseballRepresent
02-05-08, 02:33 PM
I would put money on a hoban-walsh district title game. I'm calling the pitchers too. Choban vs. Belair.
All Day
02-05-08, 08:45 PM
This Summit Lake District is going to be filthy this year and has to be one of if not thee best in the state. Hoban has probably the best 1,2 combo in pitching with McMillen and Choban but lack in hitting. Tallmadge has Mace at 1 but 2 is up in the air and could go to either Cochran or Mays, but has the deepest hitting in the district. Walsh is Walsh. Field has a couple studs and could knock off anyone on anyday but lack the depth. I can not wait to see the outcome.
devilsathletics
02-05-08, 10:34 PM
agreed. i wouldn't miss any of these games.
LionsBaseball
02-06-08, 06:08 PM
will schedule NDCL for freshmen and jv, but not varsity?
BaseballRepresent
02-06-08, 11:15 PM
will schedule NDCL for freshmen and jv, but not varsity?
we're still wondering why they took woodridge off their schedule last year. I believe the reasoning was "the schedule was full." :shrug:
earholem
02-07-08, 08:26 AM
we're still wondering why they took woodridge off their schedule last year. I believe the reasoning was "the schedule was full." :shrug:
in your group and their top guns gone.This may change down the road.
LionsBaseball
02-07-08, 02:58 PM
"it is too close to playoffs"
WJ Backer
02-07-08, 11:10 PM
They are too busy playing St. Ignatius, St. Ed's, St. Xavier, Moeller, Canfield, Canton Central Catholic, Strongsville, Woodridge, etc. Why would they not want to play NDCL? Better keep an eye on them this year as they are deeper than ever and, if a pitcher or two jumps up to support their top guys, look out.
LionsBaseball
02-08-08, 12:34 PM
Too busy, not too full? Not sure what that means. I just know NDCL keeps asking and Walsh keeps ducking (on the varsity level). We also play Eds, Ignatius, Hoban, Mentor, Mayfield. It is getting increasingly difficult to schedule teams. Does Walsh think that they will be more challenged with Berkshire, Gilmour and University than NDCL? Is Walsh playing Woodbridge this year? A poster above indicated that Walsh dropped them.
WJ Backer
02-09-08, 12:26 AM
You honestly think Walsh varsity is going to duck NDCL? You can't possibly believe that. I am sure both teams play competitive schedules but I can promise you there is not a hint of duck in Walsh . . . and yes they do play Woodridge this year, too. NDCL has a very good program but not one that is worthy of being ducked by anyone, least of all Walsh baseball. I respect each of these programs too much to think one would consider avoiding the other because of a fear of losing to them, especically Walsh. Thanks.
BaseballRepresent
02-09-08, 06:03 PM
Too busy, not too full? Not sure what that means. I just know NDCL keeps asking and Walsh keeps ducking (on the varsity level). We also play Eds, Ignatius, Hoban, Mentor, Mayfield. It is getting increasingly difficult to schedule teams. Does Walsh think that they will be more challenged with Berkshire, Gilmour and University than NDCL? Is Walsh playing Woodbridge this year? A poster above indicated that Walsh dropped them.
That was last season. This season, if walsh beats falls and woodridge beats cvca in the city championship tournie thing, then walsh and woodridge will play. Btw that's WOOD-RIDGE haha :cool: not woodbridge. just messin, although woodbridge sounds kinda cool...
BaseballRepresent
02-09-08, 06:06 PM
You honestly think Walsh varsity is going to duck NDCL? You can't possibly believe that. I am sure both teams play competitive schedules but I can promise you there is not a hint of duck in Walsh . . . and yes they do play Woodridge this year, too. NDCL has a very good program but not one that is worthy of being ducked by anyone, least of all Walsh baseball. I respect each of these programs too much to think one would consider avoiding the other because of a fear of losing to them, especically Walsh. Thanks.
Yes i'm not so sure walsh would want to duck anyone. OHSAA does set a limit on regular season games they can play. It's possible that they simply tried to overload their schedule with strong teams, and NEO has a lot of strong varsity clubs. And please don't misintepret this post as saying NDCL isn't among those strong clubs. Maybe they simply weren't scheduled. Happens all the time. Plus, walsh beat ndcl in the state title game in '06. Why would they want to duck someone good enough to make the state title game? That's ludicrous in my opinion.
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