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AmericaOne
03-19-08, 11:05 AM
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JUST THE TRUTH
03-19-08, 12:39 PM
Don Yappi19981,you need to go back to the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 5
i have heard alot of talk about this durbin kid and now he is on the JV team ? was tht jus alot of b/s i heard or wat? why is he on JV?
ffind18
03-19-08, 05:59 PM
What will it be in your opinion yappi?
Between the lines
03-19-08, 06:10 PM
i have heard alot of talk about this durbin kid and now he is on the JV team ? was tht jus alot of b/s i heard or wat? why is he on JV?
Durbin will be a very good varsity player NEXT YEAR and not until. With 3 or 4 Seniors ahead of him, (not even sure about any Jr's) Mitch will do well to get all his reps and innings on Reserve. After all he's only a Sophomore. I'd be shocked if he moves up unless of a rash of injuries or very, very late in the season. Same, same Cory Holt! See FHS Varsity 2009 for more details!
Durbin will be a very good varsity player NEXT YEAR and not until. With 3 or 4 Seniors ahead of him, (not even sure about any Jr's) Mitch will do well to get all his reps and innings on Reserve. After all he's only a Sophomore. I'd be shocked if he moves up unless of a rash of injuries or very, very late in the season. Same, same Cory Holt! See FHS Varsity 2009 for more details!
BTW -You really have a problem with any mention of sophmores playing varsity. Almost like you are afraid your boy may be replaced. Its very interesting. Not saying that these boys will, but other sophmores have played varsity in the past and done very well.
im just sayin. . i have 3-4 maybe 5 seniors in front of me and i am a sophomore on varsity
AmericaOne
03-19-08, 08:05 PM
im just sayin. . i have 3-4 maybe 5 seniors in front of me and i am a sophomore on varsity
How many seniors on Oak Hills team? Was no need for Sophomores on Varsity last season and even less this year. I have not seen the superstar sophomore yet, so it would be better they get to play on JV than sit on varsity...A tad bit of difference from 15U summer ball and 18U which a lot of the seniors played already last season.
JUST THE TRUTH
03-19-08, 08:14 PM
A-1 I agree totally ,they need more than the 1 or 2 at bats,1 or 2 innings pitching that that they will get on varsity.
im not sayin i am a superstar lol ... i know i am in for a total diff. change of game . and yes i am ging from 15U to 18U . i am nto tryin to run my mouth . i am jus replying to the other post made before
there are pro 7 or 8 seniors on varsity i think i cant rlly remember
TheKid08
03-19-08, 08:59 PM
How many seniors on Oak Hills team? Was no need for Sophomores on Varsity last season and even less this year. I have not seen the superstar sophomore yet, so it would be better they get to play on JV than sit on varsity...A tad bit of difference from 15U summer ball and 18U which a lot of the seniors played already last season.
last season proctor batted .425 and was 2nd in the league in number of hits! and malloy batted .385 and led the league in rbi's through the regular season.. no need to be on varsity?
AmericaOne
03-19-08, 09:12 PM
last season proctor batted .425 and was 2nd in the league in number of hits! and malloy batted .385 and led the league in rbi's through the regular season.. no need to be on varsity?
TheKid: I know Malloy and he was a legit soph. last year who crushed the ball. I would say he is in the STAR category along with Proctor both exceptonal for their ages. Proctor is another phenomenal player. But FF has 14 Seniors and probably 2 Juniors. We do not have a Malloy or Proctor in the same scenario..as you had last season...let the FF sophomores get the reps on JV.
yappi19981
03-19-08, 09:44 PM
Don Yappi19981,you need to go back to the bottom of page 4 and the top of page 5
Why am I a "don"?
In other news. Chemistry is not with the Fairfield Indians, as Kris Kigar and his antics caused him to be disciplined by the coaching staff. He threatened a player's life during a practice this week.
More news to come.
Between the lines
03-19-08, 09:56 PM
BTW -You really have a problem with any mention of sophmores playing varsity. Almost like you are afraid your boy may be replaced. Its very interesting. Not saying that these boys will, but other sophmores have played varsity in the past and done very well.
brad,
I have absolutely no problemo with Sophs playing on varsity. I'm just smart enough to KNOW that none of them are good enough to do it THIS year on THIS team with THIS group of seniors in place. It's simply not going to happen.... End of story!
I also know that this trio of coaches are not going to make a move like that unless someone gets seriously hurt or deemed ineligable or put off the team for bad behavior. Then and only then, will a Soph play for the FHS varsity in 2008. And I have no worry with my kid making the grade. He's paid his dues...
Between the lines
03-19-08, 10:35 PM
BTW I have seen Durbin, Holt, and Rosenbalm play on several occasions. All three are outstanding talents. I am not questioning that. I am simply stating a fact. Not this year!
If there are Sophs that run faster and jump higher, then it is the FHS coaching staff that needs informed of that fact, not me. If what eye has stated is true, then why didn't more of the seniors get the axe to allow the younger kids to play. wouldn't that be just great for the FF program down the road? I think so. Obviously the coaches didn't agree.
But I agree that we've got a lot of talent at all 3 levels and my loyalty and my cheers go with the Red & White exclusively. Go Injuns!:cool:
yappi19981
03-19-08, 11:02 PM
I don't want to start a war,I just want to get some info. Speaking of Diamond Stars,what are the credentials of Doug Smith, who is he? All I know is that he was a scout with the Atlanta Braves for 2 years then let go, and then worked in a nonpaid position for the Angels for a time. Is there anything else?
John Burden is a poor scout. He has two children in Justin and John, and Justin didn't get a sniff of varsity as a junior throwing probably 71-72 getting shelled by Loveland. Doug Smith could throw a ball harder.
AmericaOne
03-19-08, 11:20 PM
John Burden is a poor scout. He has two strange children in Justin and John, and Justin didn't get a sniff of varsity as a junior throwing probably 71-72 getting shelled by Loveland. Doug Smith could throw a ball harder than A1's kid and the Truth's kid combined...:cool:
Yapp: Why are you dissing John Burden and his talented kids. I would say a full ride to Dartmouth for John Burden Jr. and a 36 on the ACT for Justin Burden is the kind of strange we would all love for our children. Cornell want him very badly. You never heard of John's sons being disciplined, suspended, or cursing the coaches out. They will be the next leaders and CEO's or our scientists. Wow how jealous. As for my son his record speaks for what he brings to the table, and that includes winning. Doug wont play my team any more since we sent him home from the Sandlotter Wood Bat WS two years ago with a loss when his Ace was on the hill...
:clap: :clap:
Wow!!!! This is great stuff. Are you guys additioning for a mid-summer reality replacement series on TV?
Seriously though - if I was the FF coach and had a talented sophomore class - I would not pull any of those guys up to Varsity this season. I would not take a chance that the poison gets into their system - if you know what I mean!!!!!!
Good luck this season FF - and plese keep this up - this is good stuff!!!!:thumb:
I've done a lot of editing and deleting. Another off topic post and this thread will have run it's course.
BlueFan82
03-21-08, 01:01 PM
I heard about a mandatory parents meeting for baseball. Were parents and kids told to stay off Yappi?? I just think it's interesting to see the same stuff from the Fairfield faithful that I was accused of starting two years ago!! Fairfield has a talented team coming back this year, IMO and it would be a shame to see that torn apart by internal feuding.
Parents and kids were told to stay off Yappi? Wow. Yappi sure has become the place to visit, hasn't it? I know that everyone around here, from all forms of school admin., to teachers, to coaches, to players, reads the forums.
AmericaOne
03-21-08, 01:18 PM
I heard about a mandatory parents meeting for baseball. Were parents and kids told to stay off Yappi?? I just think it's interesting to see the same stuff from the Fairfield faithful that I was accused of starting two years ago!! Fairfield has a talented team coming back this year, IMO and it would be a shame to see that torn apart by internal feuding.
BlueFan: There is no internal feuding only some questions being asked about one situation. From this one inquiry it has gotten off topic. The kids are doing well, Coach Price is a great leader for these young men. Cabin fever is setting in.... Remember 2 years ago there was real turmoil...as evidenced by the coaching changes from freshman one year to Head Coach the next.
Go Indians beat Hamilton. lol
BlueFan82
03-21-08, 01:23 PM
Parents and kids were told to stay off Yappi? Wow. Yappi sure has become the place to visit, hasn't it? I know that everyone around here, from all forms of school admin., to teachers, to coaches, to players, reads the forums.
I don't know if they were...I was just asking. I know there have been programs where the coaches told the kids to stay off Yappi. As much as I love the 'ol Yapper....Such a moratorium would probably benefit the kids at Fairfield. Of course, they wouldn't be exposed to my greatness.
Of course, they wouldn't be exposed to my greatness.
We wouldn't want to them to miss out that, would we? :laugh:
i dont think this years fairfield team. i think next year. what about this kaiser kid thats come from lakota west this year and now at fairfield? what do you think about him
ilovebeingunknown
03-23-08, 12:22 PM
kaiser is not good shouldnt have made the team.
so to get back on topic who will have the breakout years this year for the tribe
FFBlackStallion
03-23-08, 04:09 PM
kaiser is not good shouldnt have made the team.
so to get back on topic who will have the breakout years this year for the tribe
I think Kigar will have a breakout performance this year. His bat has looked really strong and done well blocking behind the plate.
why should kaiser not made the team?
give me some reasons. And ive seen him play and hes not bad , he started on a good lakota west freshman team last year.
Parents and kids were told to stay off Yappi? Wow. Yappi sure has become the place to visit, hasn't it? I know that everyone around here, from all forms of school admin., to teachers, to coaches, to players, reads the forums.They were told to stay off here for the same reasons you had to delete/edit things...most of that stuff was probaly them or their parents.
BaseballAmerica1
03-25-08, 10:19 AM
It's pretty obvious that Kaiser is on here to get attention.
Between the lines
03-26-08, 07:28 PM
brad,
I have absolutely no problemo with Sophs playing on varsity. I'm just smart enough to KNOW that none of them are good enough to do it THIS year on THIS team with THIS group of seniors in place. It's simply not going to happen.... End of story!
I STAND CORRECTED! Mitch Durbin started scrimmage game #2 and has doubled & singled with a walk. Great job Durb's!
AmericaOne
03-26-08, 08:43 PM
Sophomore Mitch Durbin ignites the hitting of Fairfield earning a Varsity spot with an opposite shot to the fence while Johnson, Riggs and Silvani shut out Anderson the final 4 innings to secure a 9-6 come from behind win . Again only scrimmage but nice to see the bats wake up. FF 9 Andersin 6. Both FF catchers do well behind the dish and they, Kigar and Groene hit the ball well. Cody Hinson had a clutch hit to drive in the 7th and 8th runs for the Tribe. JV wins 5-3 in their game...
yappi19981
03-27-08, 01:03 AM
I STAND CORRECTED! Mitch Durbin started scrimmage game #2 and has doubled & singled with a walk. Great job Durb's!
Happy for Mr. Durbin. Just goes to show ya. You never know...
ilovebeingunknown
03-27-08, 01:31 PM
so who looked good on the mound yesterday ? for the tribe it says riggs silvani jjohnson shut out the final four innings did they pitch good or just get out of jams ?
AmericaOne
03-27-08, 01:56 PM
ILOVEBU: You were there weren't you? Alex Johnson pitched extremely well, two innings with only one or two guys getting on, mixing up a moving fastball with an off speed gem, they never threatened. Then came the first lefty Cody Riggs who had command of his fast ball, struggled a bit with his curve ball two guys got on but he handled them well, Gio Silvani came on to close, put the first guy on with a single then struck the next guy out on 4 pitches and two pitches later threw a DP ball that Hinson received underhand to... Ventling.... to Haney at first I believe for a nice double play ended the inning and the game. The righty, lefty, lefty combination were very effective. The hitters were: Jordan Gabbard double to the wall in left Mitch Durbin a double to the wall in left (opposite field) and another nice hit to right center, Ryan Groene had two nice hits one to right, Kris Kigar had a nice double up the middle and a pop that dropped in left, Austin Ventling also had a nice hit to left center, Dan Constable pulled one up third base line, Cody Hinson hit a nice line drive to right center scoring two go ahead runs, Bren nen Croy also had a nice hit and I hope I did not leave anyone out.
AmericaOne
03-28-08, 08:11 PM
Fairfield 10 Glen Este 9
Sounds like FF will be a team to be watched.
AmericaOne
03-29-08, 10:13 AM
Fairfield has Bowling Green High school today at 11:00 AM. Location Fairfield. Saturday 3-29-08
Game moved up to 12:00 Noon...Bad Info. Fairfield won by the way 11-6.
Between the lines
03-30-08, 06:30 PM
how can FHS win the GMC, they can't even make the top ten.
Team Points
1. Moeller (7) 167
2. Lakota West (7) 154
3. Elder (2) 145
4. St. Xavier (2) 114
5. Princeton 82
6. Hamilton 54
7. Oak Hills 51
8. La Salle 46
9. Colerain 35
10. Glen Este 27
Others: Fairfield 25, Mason 23, Lakota East 12, Loveland 11, Milford 10, Western Hills 8, Kings 6, Sycamore 5, Harrison 5, Amelia 4, Anderson 3, Turpin 3.
basesloaded
03-30-08, 09:00 PM
how can FHS win the GMC, they can't even make the top ten.
Team Points
1. Moeller (7) 167
2. Lakota West (7) 154
3. Elder (2) 145
4. St. Xavier (2) 114
5. Princeton 82
6. Hamilton 54
7. Oak Hills 51
8. La Salle 46
9. Colerain 35
10. Glen Este 27
Others: Fairfield 25, Mason 23, Lakota East 12, Loveland 11, Milford 10, Western Hills 8, Kings 6, Sycamore 5, Harrison 5, Amelia 4, Anderson 3, Turpin 3.
So using your logic, Lakota West is a shoe in to win the GMC because they are the highest ranked team in the PRE SEASON poll. Sorry to the rest of the GMC, you'll all be playing for 2nd place because West already has it wrapped up. :rolleyes:
Anonymous User
03-30-08, 09:27 PM
and Moeller is a shoe-in to win state... Pre Season polls mean the world
Voice-of-Reason
03-30-08, 10:21 PM
A wise man once said concerning rankings...
It is not where you start the season, but where you end the season
ilovebeingunknown
03-31-08, 06:35 PM
first off im pretty sure BTL was sort of joking and fairfield should def be ranked in my opinion it would go
moeller
x
elder
princeton
oak hills
fairfield
west
glen este
colerain
la salle
TheKid08
03-31-08, 07:24 PM
first off im pretty sure BTL was sort of joking and fairfield should def be ranked in my opinion it would go
moeller
x
elder
princeton
oak hills
fairfield
west
glen este
colerain
la salle
agree with everything but x being 2nd.. they should be behind elder princeton and oak hills
AmericaOne
03-31-08, 08:30 PM
Fairfield showed that if they are in trouble on the mound they have some pitchers who can go in and stop the bleeding. It happened in the Talawanda game too little too late but Fairfield should never have been in the postition it was in. It was a humanitarian gesture and nothing wrong with that in the pre-season... Against Anderson when they got in trouble they again went to the two lefties and had no further damage on the scoreboard and won 9-6. Against Glen Este both starting pitchers were erratic and stumbled out of the gate giving up 3-5 runs a piece. Then Glen Este's second pitcher also had trouble but their third did well and after 6 complete it was Fairfield 10 Glen Este 6. Fairfield tried a Sophomore on the mound and he gave up two walks and three hits and when he left the score was 10-9 with a guy on second and first with one out, they went to their lefty closer and 4 pitches later the game was over 10-9 with a Fairfield victory over the team that is above them in the pre-season polls???. Then Fairfield played Bowling Green a Division One team from 2+ hours up rt. 75 and Fairfield handled them with no problems even though the pitching was a little shaky as well at the defense and hitting. It was a sloppy game and Fairfield allowed 4 runs in 6 innings, and 2 in the 7th but came away with an 11-6 win. When Fairfield utilizes their top line pitchers they will be a good team and will win their share of games in the GMC. Good Job Fairfield with 3 come from behind victories, showing a will to not give up. This could be the most improtant thing as the team chemistry continues to improve every day....
it does not matter what grade the pitchers are in, all pitchers will have good days as well as bad days on the mound, this includes the two senior lefty's, if it does not happen in high school it will happen in summer ball. As I have stated before, sophmores have played plenty of summer ball against juniors and seniors and have done well. Fairfield kids (most of them) get along well and always have so keep your sophmore, junior and senior comments to yourself and just report the stats, thank you
Between the lines
03-31-08, 08:54 PM
first off im pretty sure BTL was sort of joking and fairfield should def be ranked in my opinion it would go
just trying to fire up the troops. I'd have this posted all over the school building. What a slap in the face this year's "coaches" poll is. As someone on here said, it's how you finish at the end of the campaign, not the beginning.:mad:
AmericaOne
03-31-08, 09:13 PM
it does not matter what grade the pitchers are in, all pitchers will have good days as well as bad days on the mound, this includes the two senior lefty's, if it does not happen in high school it will happen in summer ball. As I have stated before, sophmores have played plenty of summer ball against juniors and seniors and have done well. Fairfield kids (most of them) get along well and always have so keep your sophmore, junior and senior comments to yourself and just report the stats, thank you
eye; I meant no disrespect to the sophomore. You are taking it the wrong way. If you read my posts before I have given the sophomore accolades also. He is a talented young man who deserves to be on Varsity. Not everyone can do eveything whether they are sophomores or seniors. You can not throw everyone into the fire. I will comment as I see fit. When the seniors do not fare well I report that also. They have faltered also. When mine does I will report that too. I wanted those to know that the team will do well no matter what. If you read it any other way too bad.....that is the way the cookie crumbles.
AmericaOne
03-31-08, 09:16 PM
just trying to fire up the troops. I'd have this posted all over the school building. What a slap in the face this year's "coaches" poll is. As someone on here said, it's how you finish at the end of the campaign, not the beginning.:mad:
BTL we all took it that way. The kids know that Fairfield should be ranked higher and got no respect. The boys will do very well this season. We have a lot of talent and it will show through...The boys will earn the respect as I see them winning a lot of games this year...
I think you guys may be putting a little too much stock in polls as a whole and especially something as ridiculous as a preseason poll. Normally a preseason poll would be more of "respect" thing from the previous season. Looking at that, my guess only Colerain and Glen Este seem to be ahead of your Indians. West, Hamilton, Elder, Moeller and X were all at the minimum regional partcipants a year ago, and all 5 of those schools have traditions of being at the top of the heap in SW Ohio. Princeton and Oak Hills both finished ahead of the Indians in 07 and LaSalle had(didn't realize) a nice 18-9 season last year. As the 11th team in the poll your guys are on the verge of getting their due respect and having West right out of the shoot will give you the opportunity. Good luck with that! Polls are what they are-as someone earlier posted-win it on the diamond and the rest will take care of itself.
Between the lines
04-01-08, 07:29 AM
GCPro,
good point but do the coaches really place a vote in these polls? Or is it simply some sportswriter for the Enquirer voicing his/her opinion?:shrug:
AmericaOne
04-01-08, 08:35 AM
I think you guys may be putting a little too much stock in polls as a whole and especially something as ridiculous as a preseason poll. Normally a preseason poll would be more of "respect" thing from the previous season. Looking at that, my guess only Colerain and Glen Este seem to be ahead of your Indians. West, Hamilton, Elder, Moeller and X were all at the minimum regional partcipants a year ago, and all 5 of those schools have traditions of being at the top of the heap in SW Ohio. Princeton and Oak Hills both finished ahead of the Indians in 07 and LaSalle had(didn't realize) a nice 18-9 season last year. As the 11th team in the poll your guys are on the verge of getting their due respect and having West right out of the shoot will give you the opportunity. Good luck with that! Polls are what they are-as someone earlier posted-win it on the diamond and the rest will take care of itself.
GCPRO: I agree Polls are sometimes "uneducated guesses". But the same could be said that Fairfield Swept Hamilton, Colerain, and although scrimmage beat Glen Este with their ace on the mound, split with Oak Hills, and Princeton and loss to West 3-1, and got rocked the second game with West. So there can be said something for that also. But I would rather see them low in the polls and beat every one of the teams that are above them than the other way around. You are correct though win it on the diamond..
BTL-coaches vote in the polls. The AP basketball and football polls are voted by the media. The state baseball polls(OHSBCA) are also voted on by coaches.
I really didn't take the time to go back and analyze the FF schedule in 2007, but with the exception of Colerain, the other GMC teams mentioned finished ahead of the Indians in 07. West and Hamilton had much more impressive tourney runs obviously. Scrimmages are just scrimmages. As I stated, normally a preseason poll is a sign of respect from the previous seasons or seasons. Just the way it is.
AmericaOne
04-01-08, 08:54 AM
BTL-coaches vote in the polls. The AP basketball and football polls are voted by the media. The state baseball polls(OHSBCA) are also voted on by coaches.
I really didn't take the time to go back and analyze the FF schedule in 2007, but with the exception of Colerain, the other GMC teams mentioned finished ahead of the Indians in 07. West and Hamilton had much more impressive tourney runs obviously. Scrimmages are just scrimmages. As I stated, normally a preseason poll is a sign of respect from the previous seasons or seasons. Just the way it is.
GCPRO: Thanks for the insight on how they are done. That does explain why and does make sense. Was not sure who voted on these.
ffind18
04-01-08, 08:35 PM
Certainly didn't look top ten tonight..
Between the lines
04-01-08, 09:33 PM
Certainly didn't look top ten tonight..
Amen to that!
I was probably guessing that the FF coaching staff was not playing to win as they did in their first scrimmage against Talawanda, but knowing no details I can only surmise what occurred. Boys, it is game one of a 27 game schedule, relax>
AmericaOne
04-02-08, 08:57 AM
I was probably guessing that the FF coaching staff was not playing to win as they did in their first scrimmage against Talawanda, but knowing no details I can only surmise what occurred. Boys, it is game one of a 27 game schedule, relax>
GCPRO: West came to win. That was the difference. They hit the ball and scored a lot of runs that was the fact. You are comparing Talawanda to Lakota West. That is funny my man. I thought you said scrimmages did not mean much and here you go again. You probably taught Coach Pete everything he knows. Do you really think they were going for the kill in the scrimmage...Lakota West has some nice players starter Nathan Smith is a very good pitcher, Brenneman is tough all the time, Murtland got a hold of one, and they just plain spanked us. They are a legit team and hopefully the boys will come back today and hit the ball....And GCPRO QUIT bashing our coaching staff. lol
A1-I wasn't comparing West to Talawanda. I was comparing your responses to the Talawanda scrimmage to the scrimmages that the Indians won. I really have no idea how good either team is. Don't see too many HS teams anymore. Scrimmages are what they are. As I said, if you can read, it is game 1 of 27. The others posted the sky is falling
AmericaOne
04-02-08, 10:00 AM
A1-I wasn't comparing West to Talawanda. I was comparing your responses to the Talawanda scrimmage to the scrimmages that the Indians won. I really have no idea how good either team is. Don't see too many HS teams anymore. Scrimmages are what they are. As I said, if you can read, it is game 1 of 27. The others posted the sky is falling
GCPRO: I know I was trying to be a little funny but it came out wrong.>> Talawanda has a nice squad.. And you are right It is early...but West is still Legit...
It is hard for some to be funny. Leave the humor to me and the Bluefan!
AmericaOne
04-02-08, 10:59 AM
It is hard for some to be funny. Leave the humor to me and the Bluefan!
GCPRO: AMEN!! Who did Talawanda pitch? I heard they looked very strong vs. Badin.
A1- i have no idea. I would guess it would be in the paper. They have league games the rest of the week, so I would guess it's not a front line guy.
bpdawg32
04-02-08, 11:20 AM
GCPRO: AMEN!! Who did Talawanda pitch? I heard they looked very strong vs. Badin.
threw their ace!!
bpdawg32
04-02-08, 11:22 AM
Talawanda 3, Badin 0
Talawanda 300 000 0 — 3 6 0
Badin 000 000 0 — 0 6 2
WP—Matt Blomquist (1-0). LP—Tyler Doyle (0-1). S—Lee Hammons (1). Talawanda: Tyler Richardson 2B, John Lynch 2B. Records: Talawanda 1-0; Badin 0-1.
The only kid I know that was one of their better pitchers was the Weiser kid. I am suprised Badin didn't score at all. Someone else posted they only scored 1 run against CHCA in a scrimmage.
BlueFan82
04-02-08, 11:32 AM
I listened to a half inning on the way to ball practice. I heard A-1's kid pitch a 1-2-3 inning. Sounds like I tuned in late for all the big bats. Fairfield will be fine. I think West could contend for another regional title this year, not rebuilding but re-loading.
AmericaOne
04-02-08, 11:41 AM
I listened to a half inning on the way to ball practice. I heard A-1's kid pitch a 1-2-3 inning. Sounds like I tuned in late for all the big bats. Fairfield will be fine. I think West could contend for another regional title this year, not rebuilding but re-loading.
West looked very good. Hope the boys come back today. They look like the ones to beat in the GMC. Not much breathing room back at it 4:30PM today at West Hamilton playing today? I would think they will be on the radio if they are.
BlueFan82
04-02-08, 11:50 AM
West looked very good. Hope the boys come back today. They look like the ones to beat in the GMC. Not much breathing room back at it 4:30PM today at West Hamilton playing today? I would think they will be on the radio if they are.
From what I heard on the radio this morning, it's Fairfield-West II @ West
TheKid08
04-02-08, 12:32 PM
did haney pitch the first game against west?
AmericaOne
04-02-08, 12:41 PM
From what I heard on the radio this morning, it's Fairfield-West II @ West
Thanks Blue Fan. You are the MAN.
badinfan9196
04-02-08, 02:43 PM
The only kid I know that was one of their better pitchers was the Weiser kid. I am suprised Badin didn't score at all. Someone else posted they only scored 1 run against CHCA in a scrimmage.
As a long-time supporter of the Rams, I’ll tell you what I’ve seen of the team so far this year.
First of all, Talawanda is very solid, deceptively strong in some ways. Not great in any one area, but pretty good at almost everything. Pete Maus one of the best coaches in the area. They’ll win a lot of games this year with solid, fundamental play. I’ve been told Blomquist is their ace, Hammons and Weiser are 2 and 3, probably could reverse the order on those two on any given day.
Badin has been very hot and cold offensively since they got outside. Scored a bunch of runs against Wyoming in a couple innings, 1 against CHCA, 13 against Princeton, 0 against Talawanda. Juniors through the heart of the order swinging pretty well, but majority of position players are seniors who have struggled with consistency (SS Seger is an exception, looks like he’s improved from last year). Team as a whole has struggled to string hits together other than the Princeton scrimmage. The junior injuries, Wurzelbacher and Brown, are significant losses to the team, would’ve been starters and would’ve strengthened the team offensively and defensively. It wasn’t all bad news against Talawanda, Doyle and Clear, not among their top league pitchers, threw well enough to throw a shutout. Two outfield misplays gave away all three runs in the first inning. The junior catcher Cassano looks to be the real deal, threw out both Talawanda runners that tried to steal. Junior utility Staarmann has looked good at the plate at the bottom of the order. Rams did have a run wiped off the board and a rally basically snuffed out by a horrible umpire’s call in the bottom of the seventh, an interference call on the runner on a bang-bang play at first. But it was Badin’s fault they were down 3-0 at that point. Ump cost them a chance to win the game, but didn’t cost them the game.
No reason for Rams faithful to panic yet. Good thing about baseball, today’s another day. McKinney on the mound at McNick. I’ll provide some details if I’m able to get there today.
goblue93
04-03-08, 08:44 AM
NO! 0-2 to start the season? That leaves a very tough road ahead of them.
LWlefty
04-03-08, 09:40 AM
All I gotta say is Fairfield may have the pitching but they don't have the consistency on the mound. Haney is supposed to be their ace and i just don't see him leading that team anywhere with his cocky attitude.
West will win GMC outright for the second year in a row and three years running with the split in 2006. I don't know if you've all forgotten, but West did win the D-1 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR.
not X
not Moeller
not Elder
so until someone takes them off their high horse and has a big fat ring that reads STATE CHAMPIONS across get off there backs and play the game and prove their no better then 5th in the GMC. They will come out of the shoot leading the league and will finish the season in the same spot. Yes, they have a young pitching staff, but other then the 10 wins that Taylor picked up last year, Beaver and Smith picked up a 13-3 combined record AS SOPHMORES including wins in the state championship, regional championship, and against what you all thing is UNGODLY MOELLER, and they were a heck of a better team last year then they will be this year. You can talk about Ross all you want, and you can talk about Nastold, but until you prove you have a pitching STAFF and not just one pitcher, you got nothing but a stud who will be gone in a year.
AmericaOne
04-03-08, 09:58 AM
All I gotta say is Fairfield may have the pitching but they don't have the consistency on the mound. Haney is supposed to be their ace and i just don't see him leading that team anywhere with his cocky attitude.
West will win GMC outright for the second year in a row and three years running with the split in 2006. I don't know if you've all forgotten, but West did win the D-1 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR.
not X
not Moeller
not Elder
so until someone takes them off their high horse and has a big fat ring that reads STATE CHAMPIONS across get off there backs and play the game and prove their no better then 5th in the GMC. They will come out of the shoot leading the league and will finish the season in the same spot. Yes, they have a young pitching staff, but other then the 10 wins that Taylor picked up last year, Beaver and Smith picked up a 13-3 combined record AS SOPHMORES including wins in the state championship, regional championship, and against what you all thing is UNGODLY MOELLER, and they were a heck of a better team last year then they will be this year. You can talk about Ross all you want, and you can talk about Nastold, but until you prove you have a pitching STAFF and not just one pitcher, you got nothing but a stud who will be gone in a year.
All do respect to the State Champions, West may have looked good on Tuesday but it took 4 unearned runs to beat Fairfield on Wednesday, with a little help from the slow umpire behind the dish. Beaver and Smith are both good pitchers, and you better PRAY Jimmy Brenneman does not get hurt since he is primarily the offense and a TREMENDOUS ATHLETE, but be careful a sophomore took one to the wall opposite field on Beaver which would have been gone if the wind did not keep it in the park. Be happy you won two Fairfield aint done yet. A 5-3 error aided win.
A1-as much as you've been around the game, you should know that errors, umpire mistakes, fluke hits, etc. are all part of the game. The good teams overcome them, the so-so teams use them as excuses. I listened to the majority of the game on the radio. It would seem at this point that West just has the confidence to win these type of games. Winning produces that attitude. Most can make a play when the game isn't on the line, confident teams make that play when needed. The two out hit, the inning ending DP, the tought strikeout, all come from having been their before. It is early, better days ahead.
AnUnbiasedOpinion
04-03-08, 10:42 AM
... but be careful a sophomore took one to the wall opposite field...
On the other hand, that can also be taken another way - FF must be careful as a sophomore is their best hitter.
On the third hand :), I take it that Durbin (I assume he's the sophomore referred to) is a very good hitter - period. Your year in school doesn't mean a thing when the game is going on.
AmericaOne
04-03-08, 11:34 AM
On the other hand, that can also be taken another way - FF must be careful as a sophomore is their best hitter.
On the third hand :), I take it that Durbin (I assume he's the sophomore referred to) is a very good hitter - period. Your year in school doesn't mean a thing when the game is going on.
Absolutely right. Defense was weak throughout the infield. If FF makes the defensive plays the game would have been a 2-1 game.. period.... When you have a weak hitting team your infield must step up. Haney and Johnson pitched well enough to win the game. Durbin is a very nice hitter and has done a great job. It goes back to what I said earlier, not enough hitting practice in the off-season, and you must make the routine plays from short and third..
Anonymous User
04-03-08, 07:40 PM
Calling out your players is the best thing to do. Keep it up A-1 you are one heck of a confidence builder...
ilovebeingunknown
04-03-08, 08:35 PM
the fairfield staff should be good this year
silvani has looked really good against almost everyone and you wouldnt expect it from looking at him he could emerge as a top line guy at MUH next season as a true freshman he has already signed
prichard coming off a good year in his junior campaign he has the potential to lead the indians to a GMC title run if he can pitch alot better than he did vs west and arm problems have bothered him for quite some time could possibly sign with cedarville after the season though
haney coming off a good season as a junior he has the potential and talent but he lacks work ethic and heart and talent will only take you so far look for him to have a decent year look for him to sign with a college such as thomas moore or mt st joes or even marietta
johnson-he had a ---- of a year as a sophmore last season he has the body of a true college pitcher he will go D1 but does he have the right attitude look for him to emerge as the indians top gun in 08 only a junior but will def go to a smaller D1 school such as central michigan or toledo or kent state
shiffman-standing about six foot he has the height and presence to be a good pitcher but does he have the stuff to make him pitch in the big games for the tribe? will not play baseball in college
riggs-coming off a junior season in which he was not 100% on JV last spring because he had to get shoulder surgery from a torn labrum suffered in the summer look for him to emerge as the go to top reliever coming out of the pen for the tribe and also the most athletic player in the program on the mound. has already signed with shawnee state
burden- he is a smart pitcher who needs to locate locate locate in order to be succesful.
stacy- standing about 6'3 190 so pounds he is intimidating on the mound by his presence he needs to learn how to pitch though.
AnonymousUserTres
04-06-08, 05:56 PM
Absolutely right. Defense was weak throughout the infield. If FF makes the defensive plays the game would have been a 2-1 game.. period.... When you have a weak hitting team your infield must step up. Haney and Johnson pitched well enough to win the game. Durbin is a very nice hitter and has done a great job. It goes back to what I said earlier, not enough hitting practice in the off-season, and you must make the routine plays from short and third..
AmericaOne, would you be willing to share the pitching and hitting stats for all players for their first three games?
Thanks!
Anonymous UserDosage
04-06-08, 07:23 PM
I'm sure they are very respectable:rolleyes:
Anonymous UserDosage
04-06-08, 07:24 PM
Ilovebeingunknown talks in 3rd person on here...he must be related to Ricky Henderson
AmericaOne
04-06-08, 08:09 PM
AmericaOne, would you be willing to share the pitching and hitting stats for all players for their first three games?
Thanks!
The Boys looked very impressive with the bats yesterday beating a very good Turpin High School by scoring 15 runs in the first 4 innings with an extremely big 3rd. inning where a very hot Alex Johnson stroked an impressive double down the third baseline and ended up batting twice in that inning, Cody Hinson then had sacrificed Alex over with a well executed bunt as Kris Kigar then bunted for a base hit bringing home Alex and moving to second on an error at first, Brennen Croy walked and scored on an Austin Ventling double to left, Austin moved to third and scored on a wild pitch with Evan Schweinfest at bat, Evan walked and was batted forward by Mike Haney's hit to left, Evan then scored when Mitch Durbin reached on an error at first, Haney scored on a Dan Constable hit, Mitch and Dan both scored on a line drive to right field by Cody Hinson batting for the second time in the 3rd. inning. That ended the 8 run third. Alex Johnson was 2-4, scored twice, with an RBI, Cody Hinson was 1-2, with 2 RBI, Dan Constable was 1-3, 2RBI, Scoring twice, Austin Ventling 3-4, 2 RBI, 2 runs scored, Brenen Croy was 3-3, 2 RBI in the 1st, on his second at bat in the same inning, scored three times, Kris Kigar 1-3, 2 RBI scored once, no passed balls or wild pitches got by in the game, Mitchell Durbin 1-3, 2 RBI scored twice, Ryan Groen 1-1, Mike Haney 1-4. Justin Burden started the game and pitched 2 1/3 innings and left with the score tied at 6-6, Cody Riggs came on an pitched 2 2/3 stiking out 3, not allowing a run and getting the WIN on the mound, Zak Shiffman pitched the sixth allowing 2 runs on 2 hits, and Gio Silvani closed by strinking out 2 and allowing no runs. FF = 15 Runs on 14 hits. Turpin = 8 Runs on 8 Hits...KEEP THE HITTING GOING . GO INDIANS.....
Anonymous UserDosage
04-06-08, 08:36 PM
hmmm Turpin...Thats going to look impressive when they seed for the state tournament.
ilovebeingunknown
04-07-08, 09:19 PM
whats wrong with FF right now?? 1-3??????
the only bright spots for the tribe are
mitch durbin is only a soph and strokin
alex johnon is pitching really good and strokin the ball
cody riggs is pitching really good
gio silvani is pitching really good
corey holt is a very very bright future stud
JUST THE TRUTH
04-07-08, 10:03 PM
Now what? Do we keep stats? If so does any one look at them? Time to shake things up! If no one has earned a position you can't tell it by looking at our line up day to day.
The JV are doing well. We have some great hitters on the team.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-08-08, 10:04 PM
Come on guys things are STARTING to slip away. To many errors at the same position day after day. Anyone else see this?
HS Guru35
04-09-08, 12:29 AM
Tribe needs to kick it up to the next gear. A senior laden team should be playing better ball than what they are, these kids are more than capable of being a top 3 GMC team this year. West in the opening series really does hurt though.
Rumors are brewing of behavioral problems with some players skipping practices and showing up whenever they want, just a little advice. If you guys want to win you have to practice like you want to win. Let's go TRIBE!
luvdagame
04-09-08, 09:12 AM
As was mentioned in some earlier posts, to be successful, the Tribe needed to play sound defense and get good pitching in order to overcome their potentially lackluster offense. It seems that at least recently, they are getting the offensive production, but there have been too many errors and the pitching has been inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see some defensive changes here soon, as well as those with attitude issues (if there are any) seeing a bit more time on the pine. On a positive note, the season is still young and there is plenty of time to turn things around.
Ok A-1: Lets hear it.
An 0-4 start in the league. The team has been outscored by about 20 runs in those games I think. Is the team in trouble or is it a case of starting out with two of the best teams in the league ( each team is 4-0) and it will right itself when playing the rest of the schedule?
Enquiring minds want to know!!!
On the down side, take away the 15 runs against Turpin and the Indians have been outscored 36-15 in GMC games. Not sure how many are unearned but it seems that defense is an issue.
On the bright side, two of the four losses were one run affairs that could have gone either way. 3-2 is infinitely better than 1-4, unfortunately it is what it is.
The season is way young, the next two games against HHS could be a better barometer. Hamilton at 4-1, 4-0 has to be a huge suprise for most, but they are Hamilton.
It seems with that many seniors on your club the season could easily go either way. Senior leadership can be just as bad as it can be good. West is pretty good, East may just be on an early season run. In the GMC, as everyone is aware, there are very few days off. Plenty of good baseball teams left on the schedule.
AmericaOne
04-09-08, 10:02 AM
Ok A-1: Lets hear it.
An 0-4 start in the league. The team has been outscored by about 20 runs in those games I think. Is the team in trouble or is it a case of starting out with two of the best teams in the league ( each team is 4-0) and it will right itself when playing the rest of the schedule?
Enquiring minds want to know!!!
If I tell you what I think I will be accused of bashing the coaches. We had chances to win the game yesterday a 7-6 game (error and sacrifice fly) unearned run, and the second West game 5-3, three errors or mis-played balls on 4 unearned runs. Both were lost on unearned error induced runs. So it is what it is. The other two games were lost with a combination of things. But I still think they will turn it around by tournament time, they do have some very talented players but things will have to change and I mean PRONTO!!
Between the lines
04-09-08, 10:13 AM
Senior leadership can be just as bad as it can be good.
Someone once said the "TALENT DOES WHAT IT CAN, LEADERSHIP DOES WHAT IT HAS TO!" It is now time for some of the kids (at least those that have been given an opportunity), to lead by example. The Tribe may not win the GMC, but they can still figure in the outcome! It's crunch time!
If I tell you what I think I will be accused of bashing the coaches. We had chances to win the game yesterday a 7-6 game (error and sacrifice fly) unearned run, and the second West game 5-3, three errors or mis-played balls on 4 unearned runs. Both were lost on unearned error induced runs. So it is what it is. The other two games were lost with a combination of things. But I still think they will turn it around by tournament time, they do have some very talented players but things will have to change and I mean PRONTO!!
I see some people mentioning defense in posts. Is that an issue and if so is it infield defense, outfield defense? Is there players on the bench or on JV that could right the ship at the positions that have not lived up to expectations defensively?
Inconsitency seems to be an issue also. That is normal for HS baseball as the weather keeps you from playing a good string of games to get things rolling. Some games it looks like pitching was good others it looks like hitting was good. With Hamilton coming up at 4-0 also Fairfiled needs atleast a win but probably needs to sweep as 1-5 and/or 0-6 to start out the season would put them behind a big rock that could demoralize the team.
Someone once said the "TALENT DOES WHAT IT CAN, LEADERSHIP DOES WHAT IT HAS TO!" It is now time for some of the kids (at least those that have been given an opportunity), to lead by example. The Tribe may not win the GMC, but they can still figure in the outcome! It's crunch time!
By your comment do you feel there are some seniors that have not been given an opportunity this season yet?
AmericaOne
04-09-08, 10:44 PM
wow..what a game with Hamilton tonight! Hey, America One, were you the guy from Fairfield that the got thrown out and the AD had to escort them out?
Whoever it was watched the game from the bridge and then got into it with the umps as they were walking to their cars.:eek:
No AD escorted me out. But yes I was the one who told the umpire it was a bull ---- call at first that allowed the run to score. The umpire who just finished with the softball game agreed the Hamilton runner was out by two steps... That guy has made many bad calls but that took the cake. It was the third out. The guys on the radio thought he was out and the home plate umpire did not have the balls to at least discuss what was the game winning run. Our coach argued the call also. The umps were walking past me and the guy who made the ----ty call attempted to smile and say something to me and I told him again that was a terrible call and his buddy had to hold him back. So at least get the story straight.:wallbang:
The Analyst
04-09-08, 11:18 PM
Tough game Indians, or games I should say. You guys keep it close every game! This one really should have been yours.
It seems that A1 and his buddy BPdawg32 may have alot in common.
What was the final? Last I heard, via wmoh, was the Indians had scored 4 in the bottom of the 6th to knot it up. Heard the Blue bat in the 7th, then ?
Was Johnson the SP, I've heard good things regarding the kid. Someone from either side, help!
AnonymousUserTres
04-09-08, 11:50 PM
It seems that A1 and his buddy BPdawg32 may have alot in common.
What was the final? Last I heard, via wmoh, was the Indians had scored 4 in the bottom of the 6th to knot it up. Heard the Blue bat in the 7th, then ?
Was Johnson the SP, I've heard good things regarding the kid. Someone from either side, help!
Johnson pitched 5 innings, allowing 4 runs, three earned, 5 hits, 8 K's, 3 BB. Not his best day on the mound but 2-4 from the plate.
Other big hits came from seniors Jordan Gabbard, Brennan Croy, Kris Kigar and Austin Ventling, and underclassmen Durbin and Johnson.
Gio Silvani pitched two great innings. It's a shame the umps had to take the game away from the kid.
Anyone know of the ump's name to get the notice around about him?
AmericaOne
04-09-08, 11:57 PM
It seems that A1 and his buddy BPdawg32 may have alot in common.
What was the final? Last I heard, via wmoh, was the Indians had scored 4 in the bottom of the 6th to knot it up. Heard the Blue bat in the 7th, then ?
Was Johnson the SP, I've heard good things regarding the kid. Someone from either side, help!
Yes Johnson was the starting pitcher and went til the 5th striking out 7 and doing very well until the 4th, came back in for the 5th gave up one run in the 5th, Johnson is very good and has been tearing up the ball, when he left the score was Hamilton 4 Fairfield 3, Cody Riggs came on in the 6th and when he left at the end of 6 it was Hamilton 7 FF 3. In the bottom of the 6th FF scored 4 runs to tie it up. They brought Gio Silvani in and he had a 1-2-3 7th. In the bottom of 7 FF went down 1-2-3. In the 8the the leadoff got on with pop up to center, and then the 2 and 3 batters were retired, with the clean up batting he hit a sharp hit to third and what should have been the 3rd out of the 8th on a routine grounder, turned into what became the 8th and game winning run the runner was out but our wonderful umpire in the field blew the call. That was that and in the FF 8th FF got a runner on in the 8th but he manged to get picked off when the lead off missed an attempted bunt and then struck out to end the game. Hard loss and yes I will be honored to be in the same sentence with bpdawg32. Hamilton + Umpires 8 Fairfield 7
Yes Johnson was the starting pitcher and went til the 5th striking out 7 and doing very well until the 4th, came back in for the 5th gave up one run in the 5th, when he left the score was Hamilton 4 Faifield 3, Cody Riggs came on in the 6th and when he left at the end of 6 it was Hamilton 7 FF 3. In the bottom of the 6th FF scored 4 runs to tie it up. They brought Gio Silvani in and he had a 1-2-3 7th. In the bottom of 7 FF went down 1-2-3. In the 8the the leadoff got on with pop up to center, and then the 2 and 3 batters were retired, with the clean up batting he hit a sharp hit to third and what should have been the 3rd out of the 8th on a routine grounder, turned into what became the 8th and game winning run the runner was out but our wonderful umpire in the field blew the call. That was that and in the FF 8th FF got a runner on in the 8th but he manged to get picked off when the lead off missed an attempted bunt and then struck out to end the game. Hard loss and yes I will be honored to be in the same sentence with bpdawg32. Hamilton + Umpires 8 Fairfield 7
Wow sounds like a volital situation at the game. A-1 I am glad that guy held his buddy back or I would probably be seeing you on the news tonight for kicking his butt --right?
I have missed something with your play-by-play of the last inning. It sounds like the first batter had a bloop single and the next two were retired and then a ground ball to third and the guy was called safe. How did the run score from first or had the runner advanced to third on the two outs?
Man that sounds like a tough night at the ol' ball yard.
OK-what is a pop up to center? I am guessing the lead off hitter in the 8th somehow got to 3rd if he scored on a groundout.
I have been around a whole bunch of HS baseball games in my lifetime and summer ball as well, never seen a parent get thrown out of a game and now it has happened to both A1 and the dawg. WOW! One has to love the passion.
I was previously on the side of it is early and plenty of time to turn the thing around but to be honest at 1-5 and 0-5 it will be difficult. The GMC is tough! Good luck!
OK-what is a pop up to center? I am guessing the lead off hitter in the 8th somehow got to 3rd if he scored on a groundout.
I have been around a whole bunch of HS baseball games in my lifetime and summer ball as well, never seen a parent get thrown out of a game and now it has happened to both A1 and the dawg. WOW! One has to love the passion.
I was previously on the side of it is early and plenty of time to turn the thing around but to be honest at 1-5 and 0-5 it will be difficult. The GMC is tough! Good luck!
Does a parent get suspended for the next game if they are thrown out of a game?
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 12:10 AM
Wow sounds like a volital situation at the game. A-1 I am glad that guy held his buddy back or I would probably be seeing you on the news tonight for kicking his butt --right?
I have missed something with your play-by-play of the last inning. It sounds like the first batter had a bloop single and the next two were retired and then a ground ball to third and the guy was called safe. How did the run score from first or had the runner advanced to third on the two outs?
Man that sounds like a tough night at the ol' ball yard.
I think the runner advanced on one of the outs and got to third on a steal. Anyway it was a pretty blatant bad call. But It is what it is and can not be changed...
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 12:14 AM
Does a parent get suspended for the next game if they are thrown out of a game?
NO. Just coaches.... When umpires blow a call they temd to get deffensive. He threw me out because I said it was a bull ---- call, but it wasn't yhr guy who made the piss poor call it was his chicken do do partner who could have took the time to discuss and get the call right.. No accountablity with the High School umpires NONE>
Is there accountability with the summer ball umpires? I have been around the block a time or two and it seems it's the same group of people, both HS and summer. It was FF's home game, would have to expect better in that situation.
On another note, it would seem that you(A1) have been around enough baseball or sports in general to understand that one call never loses or wins a game. I would imagine your son was darn proud of you. Cannot imagine!
HS Guru35
04-10-08, 01:00 AM
This is starting to get ridiculous.
IMHO and A-1 you two really need to work this out outside of Yappi. It's a HS Baseball forum, it's not something for you two to hide behind anonymity and take shots at each other. Quit acting like a group of middle schoolers and put this behind you, it's embarrassing to the game of baseball.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 09:43 AM
I may have been wrong about who escorted you out but not the rest:p I was only a couple of feet from you. Your language and actions have no place in youth sports. Suck it up big guy:angel:
When your own coach says in the paper Quote from Dan Bowling " I get paid to say he was safe". That sums it up. Are the umpires there to get the right call or are they too prideful to say they made a mistake. The home plate umpire new he was out but instead of having a conference and at least addressing it. it is easier to kick people out. The last I heard Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins saying Bull ---- is not.
This is starting to get ridiculous.
IMHO and A-1 you two really need to work this out outside of Yappi. It's a HS Baseball forum, it's not something for you two to hide behind anonymity and take shots at each other. Quit acting like a group of middle schoolers and put this behind you, it's embarrassing to the game of baseball.
What are you talking about? Put what behind us? I am talking about the Fairfield game last night and what happened at the game. Is that not allowed?
By the way - did your Mom name you HS Guru35?
When your own coach says in the paper Quote from Dan Bowling " I get paid to say he was safe". That sums it up. Are the umpires there to get the right call or are they too prideful to say they made a mistake. The home plate umpire new he was out but instead of having a conference and at least addressing it. it is easier to kick people out. The last I heard Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins saying Bull ---- is not.
A-1: I have had a little fun with you on this however in all seriousness - whether the kid was out or safe the game is played by the players, coaches and managers ON THE FILED, spectators are their to watch the game, not be a part of it. I was not at the game so I do not know what was said but it must have been pretty strong to warrent getting thrown out of a game as a fan. Arguing with the ump is something the manager does not a parent in the stands. Watch your son play baseball - you won't have many more games to do that. You could be part of a very volitale sutuation by becoming part of the action. You may say you wouldn't physically do anything but what if somebody else doesn't hold back and does something that they would terribly regret and you were part of it because you incited it. Being in baseball as long as you have should make you a person that defuses situations with umpires not incites them. Let the manager on the field do the talking to the ump. :thumb:
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 12:36 PM
A-1: I have had a little fun with you on this however in all seriousness - whether the kid was out or safe the game is played by the players, coaches and managers ON THE FILED, spectators are their to watch the game, not be a part of it. I was not at the game so I do not know what was said but it must have been pretty strong to warrent getting thrown out of a game as a fan. Arguing with the ump is something the manager does not a parent in the stands. Watch your son play baseball - you won't have many more games to do that. You could be part of a very volitale sutuation by becoming part of the action. You may say you wouldn't physically do anything but what if somebody else doesn't hold back and does something that they would terribly regret and you were part of it because you incited it. Being in baseball as long as you have should make you a person that defuses situations with umpires not incites them. Let the manager on the field do the talking to the ump. :thumb:
IMHO: You are correct I did lose my cool and appologize to the parents, coaches, and fans of Fairfield and Hamilton. But what I said was "THIS IS BULL ----". Four or five times. These umpires know me and they have never put me out of a game in the ten years that I have coached on the field. Was it right? No. Coach Price was arguing vehemently but with High School he knows how far to go. Last year at the Sectionals the umpire blatantly blew a call and Coach Stewy was put out for nothing, and had to sit out the opening game this season.. The call there was absolutely terrible...But I think umpires could do a lot more to diffuse the situation also if they at least have a two minute conference to ask, "did you see it differently since it was a critical call, try to make the correct call?" Even if they do not change the call they give the appearance that they do care about getting the calls right. And to answer GCPRO I think the umpiring at all levels should be accountable. I got a call last night from the Glen Este vs. Milford game where GE won but they were very upset about the poor umpiring in that game. It is over and the next game should be good...
leojames
04-10-08, 12:40 PM
When your own coach says in the paper Quote from Dan Bowling " I get paid to say he was safe". That sums it up. Are the umpires there to get the right call or are they too prideful to say they made a mistake. The home plate umpire new he was out but instead of having a conference and at least addressing it. it is easier to kick people out. The last I heard Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins saying Bull ---- is not.
Wouldn't the plate umpire be charged with the responsibility and observation of the runner advancing from third? Making sure he touches the plate and scores? How does he see it better than the base umpire? I get paid to say he was safe doesn't quite say it all. Coach Bowling also noted that if his kid was called out, he would have been arguing too. Ergo, it must have been pretty close. I have to agree with GCPRO, one call does not a game make. It is always magnified in the late stages. If the same had happened in the early stages, it probably would have been brushed aside, or at minimum, less controversial/confrontational. I would guess there was more than one lost opportunity throughout the contest.
I would guess there are multiple variables that went into the fact that A1 was tossed from a HS game. Which is foolish no matter the situation.
The Indians at this point in the season are vastly underachieving. 1-5 and 0-5 are a far cry from what was predicted for this senior laden team.
Playing against league and area rival in a back and forth game that had to look like the Indians were in control after scoring 4 in the 6th to tie it up, only to lose it in the 8th had to be maddening.
Throw in the fact that his son was on the mound and it appears was doing a pretty good job only to give up the go ahead run.
This all seems to point to a tough situation for the Indians.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 12:50 PM
Is there accountability with the summer ball umpires? I have been around the block a time or two and it seems it's the same group of people, both HS and summer. It was FF's home game, would have to expect better in that situation.
On another note, it would seem that you(A1) have been around enough baseball or sports in general to understand that one call never loses or wins a game. I would imagine your son was darn proud of you. Cannot imagine!
GCPRO: I am so glad that you never lose your cool, never get upset at calls, always do the right thing. MY GOD you may be the only perfect person on the planet. You are so self righteous. Do not worry what my son thinks. His father has always had his back and he knows it. I am just not as cool as my son, he does not get upset or rattled that is precisely why they put him in, in those situations.
I will stand by my earlier comment. I have never been tossed from a game as a parent. Actually have never uttered a word about a call. As a coach, I think it happened once, very long time ago. One thing as a coach, you cannot question judgement calls. It is a snap decision and they are trying to get the call right. Rules can be questioned, not judgement calls. I would think that as long as you claim to be around the game, you would already know this. All coaches should umpire and all umpires should coach, therefore you would have a healthy respect for both jobs attempting to be done.
BTW-you have now shown that you obviously don't know me, because I am far, far, far from perfect.
Third, after the game, you came back to the field and the umps went out of their way to avoid another confrontation with you by going around the visitor dug out and YOU followed them and YOU were the one that started mouthing off again. They told you "get out od here" several times.
Fourth, plenty of fans were screaming at the umps about the call but none of them called the ump a M F**er! Your language is what got you thrown out. That was just uncalled for.
Fifth, that ump could have easily taken you out:laugh:
Wow!!!!!!!!! :shrug: I think you GMC guys need to spread some GCL love around!!!!!!! We just get together, extend pleasentries, watch our sons compete in a friendly baseball game and maybe even go out for drinks after words. :grouphug: May be a pre-game group hug amoung all the fans and umpires involved in the rematch at Hamiltucky is called for. Where is the game tonight? I may have to get out of the house and take this one in. I will be the one in the protective gear with my guard dog at my side!!!!!:shrug:
IMHO: You are correct I did lose my cool and appologize to the parents, coaches, and fans of Fairfield and Hamilton. But what I said was "THIS IS BULL ----". Four or five times. These umpires know me and they have never put me out of a game in the ten years that I have coached on the field. Was it right? No. Coach Price was arguing vehemently but with High School he knows how far to go. Last year at the Sectionals the umpire blatantly blew a call and Coach Stewy was put out for nothing, and had to sit out the opening game this season.. The call there was absolutely terrible...But I think umpires could do a lot more to diffuse the situation also if they at least have a two minute conference to ask, "did you see it differently since it was a critical call, try to make the correct call?" Even if they do not change the call they give the appearance that they do care about getting the calls right. And to answer GCPRO I think the umpiring at all levels should be accountable. I got a call last night from the Glen Este vs. Milford game where GE won but they were very upset about the poor umpiring in that game. It is over and the next game should be good...
Those umpires know you and have never put you out when you were on the field. You were not on the field last night. You were a fan. You have NOTHING to do with what is going on in the field other than to root for your team. You can disagree with umpire decisions, coaches decisions, players, etc. but you can't do a thing about it. That is the difference between being a fan and being the manager/coach on the field.
By the way you said I was correct. I hope the mods see that!!!!:)
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 02:08 PM
First off..Bowling is not MY coach:hello:
Second, you have seen plenty off bad calls called in High School games as well as summer ball. It is what it is! One bad call does not lose a game. It was a close call. Bowling did not say it was a bad call.
Third, after the game, you came back to the field and the umps went out of their way to avoid another confrontation with you by going around the visitor dug out and YOU followed them and YOU were the one that started mouthing off again. They told you "get out od here" several times.
Fourth, plenty of fans were screaming at the umps about the call but none of them called the ump a M F**er! Your language is what got you thrown out. That was just uncalled for.
Fifth, that ump could have easily taken you out:laugh:
You are a man, act like it and be an example to the kids, not an embarassment for your kid, the team and the school... Nuff said
Play thegame: Actually my car was parked around the back and I was going there, did not know I was going to run into the umps again. As I walked by the dug out I told Coach Bowling, the parents left on the bench, and the kids good game but not as loudly as I yelled at the umpire, so you may have not have heard me.... The kids played well and my being upset has nothing to do with those very talented young men.
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 02:12 PM
I have been on both side of this argument!!! I am an umpire who gets paid to do Ball games through the summer, I have only been tossed from 1 highschool game and that was because of a comment i made about a call and his action perpetuated the ensuing argument.. as an umpire you CANNOTbite back at fans you must be able to take the heat.. dont get into a verball sparr with parents I will not do it as an umpire and will ask for help if it is a close play....
Play thegame: Actually my car was parked around the back and I was going there, did not know I was going to run into the umps again. As I walked by the dug out I told Coach Bowling, the parents left on the bench, and the kids good game but not as loudly as I yelled at the umpire, so you may have not have heard me.... The kids played well and my being upset has nothing to do with those very talented young men.
Since the game was at FF - the umpires felt inclined to walk all the way around the 3rd base dugout instead of exiting the gate directly behind home by the concession stand. That must have been a lion's den of activity for them to make that deccision.
I have been on both side of this argument!!! I am an umpire who gets paid to do Ball games through the summer, I have only been tossed from 1 highschool game and that was because of a comment i made about a call and his action perpetuated the ensuing argument.. as an umpire you CANNOTyou must be able to take the heat.. dont get into a verball sparr with parents I will not do it as an umpire and will ask for help if it is a close play....
BP Dawg - with the winning run coming home from 3rd on a ground ball and a 2 umpiring crew. Is it the responsibility of the home plate umpire to make sure the runner touches home or to follow the play at first so that he can approve of the call made by the base umpire? And if the home plate umpire changes the call made by the base umpire unless the base umpire was blocked by something - where does it end when the manager asks for help on every call that happens to be close?
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 02:21 PM
if I ask for help this is how it would go!!
"hey that was a close play did you have a angle on it" and if he says I (me) had the best angle then the player is out!!!
if he says I seen him cross the bag before the throw not "THINK" I seen.... he has to know then I will change my call!!
Umpires have the most thankless job in the world.
if I ask for help this is how it would go!!
"hey that was a close play did you have a angle on it" and if he says I (me) had the best angle then the player is out!!!
if he says I seen him cross the bag before the throw not "THINK" I seen.... he has to know then I will change my call!!
Thank you for the response and I can see your point. With the winning run coming home from third on a ground ball and a 2 person umpiring crew would the home plate umpire be looking at the play at first or making sure everything was fine with the runner crossing home plate?
Umpires have the most thankless job in the world.
I don't know - those dudes that empty the port -o-lets for Rumpke don't get to hear thank you much either!!:) I guess both jobs are related in some fashion though:shrug:
The home plate umpire can only assist the base umpire on a call when it involves the 1st baseman maybe pulling his foot on a throw, or on a play where the runner, thrown ball and infielder may be in a conflicting view of the umpire.
Did the throw from first pull the 1st basemen off the bag potentially?
If not, how can the plate umpire have a better angle to see the play than the base umpire? Not possible.
basesloaded
04-10-08, 02:52 PM
With regards to umpires...most umpires i've ever talked to say they realize when they have blown a call. With that being said, shouldn't a bad umpire know he's bad and not ready to do a big varsity game? Shouldn't the umpire assigners know who is capable of handling a big varsity game and who isn't? The guy who did the plate for the GE/Milford game last night was clearly in over his head and had no business doing a game that could easily have league championship implications. The base umpire was a well respected veteran umpire yet the plate umpire had little experience and could not call 2 good varsity pitchers. If you are an umpire and are not confident in your ability to do a game then decline to a different game. If you are an assigner, put experienced guys at least behind the plate in conference games. The guy also missed a ball that was clearly caught in the outfield because he didn't know that the proper umpiring mechanics requires the home plate umpire to watch for the catch....it's frustrating for all involved when the outcome of a very meaningful game can be determined by someone not ready to umpire at that level.
basesloaded-there are good and bad officials in every sport at every level. Being a long term official really has not much to do with it, there are bad ones that have been around forever. Human error is part of the game, if it weren't for the gambling aspect of the NFL, there would be no reviewable calls.
I was recently watching a high level DII college baseball series in which one member of the 3 man crew had no business being an official during that series. I always viewed situations like that to not add any more stress to the umpire, he is trying to do the best possible, sometimes people are just overwhelmed.
Any coach and player should know that umpires really don't decide ballgames, you make your own breaks and deal with the consequences. It is a game.
With regards to umpires...most umpires i've ever talked to say they realize when they have blown a call. With that being said, shouldn't a bad umpire know he's bad and not ready to do a big varsity game? Shouldn't the umpire assigners know who is capable of handling a big varsity game and who isn't? The guy who did the plate for the GE/Milford game last night was clearly in over his head and had no business doing a game that could easily have league championship implications. The base umpire was a well respected veteran umpire yet the plate umpire had little experience and could not call 2 good varsity pitchers. If you are an umpire and are not confident in your ability to do a game then decline to a different game. If you are an assigner, put experienced guys at least behind the plate in conference games. The guy also missed a ball that was clearly caught in the outfield because he didn't know that the proper umpiring mechanics requires the home plate umpire to watch for the catch....it's frustrating for all involved when the outcome of a very meaningful game can be determined by someone not ready to umpire at that level.
I agree most umpires know when they have missed a call. That doesn't mean they have to listen to being cussed out from the stands. They are human and part of the game. You can usually tell when an umpire thinks he missed the call becasue he will let the manager have some string when argueing with him.
Thank you for pointing out that umpires have different responsibilities during plays depending on the situation and what is happening during the play. They do not see everything that is happening all over the field on every play and should not be trying to do that.
basesloaded
04-10-08, 03:17 PM
GCpro - I certainly understand that experience doesn't necessarily equate to being a good umpire or official. That being said, the assigners get feedback on umpires all the time. They know who the good ones are and who the not so good ones are. Assign the good umpires to the plate for big conference games and get the not so good ones experience in non league games. Also, you are kidding yourself if you think bad calls can't affect the outcome of a game...yes, human error of umpires is part of the game, but yes that human error can certainly have an affect on the game positively or negatively for a team.
GCpro - I certainly understand that experience doesn't necessarily equate to being a good umpire or official. That being said, the assigners get feedback on umpires all the time. They know who the good ones are and who the not so good ones are. Assign the good umpires to the plate for big conference games and get the not so good ones experience in non league games. Also, you are kidding yourself if you think bad calls can't affect the outcome of a game...yes, human error of umpires is part of the game, but yes that human error can certainly have an affect on the game positively or negatively for a team.
Sounds to me like the base ump better be a veteran official
for big conference games also. How many big conference games are there across the city on a given day? I bet every team in the GMC would claim they are a big game in the conference that could effect the conference championship. How many good umpiring crews are there that would allow for a good umpire at home and at 1st?
Also - if players would take the approach that the call was made by the umpire - you can't change it - and go on and make the next play regardless of how they feel about a call - those close calls that seem to go against you will not seem so big. Looking for excuses why you lost other than just saying we got beat is a part of our society that is brought on by players, fans, managers, and coaches not accepting blame for what has happened. Rarely does one call decide the outcome of a game. That call may have been how the winning run scored but I guarentee if you look at the game as a whole something could have been done differently by the losing team that would have made that play less meaningful.
IMHO-thank you-exactly. People just expect all things in life to go there way and when that doesn't occur it has to be someone's fault. On this thread alone, we complain about the coaching, the umpiring, but has anyone thought the players may not be as advertised.
basesloaded
04-10-08, 03:35 PM
Sounds to me like the base ump better be a veteran official
for big conference games also. How many big conference games are there across the city on a given day? I bet every team in the GMC would claim they are a big game in the conference that could effect the conference championship. How many good umpiring crews are there that would allow for a good umpire at home and at 1st?
Also - if players would take the approach that the call was made by the umpire - you can't change it - and go on and make the next play regardless of how they feel about a call - those close calls that seem to go against you will not seem so big. Looking for excuses why you lost other than just saying we got beat is a part of our society that is brought on by players, fans, managers, and coaches not accepting blame for what has happened. Rarely does one call decide the outcome of a game. That call may have been how the winning run scored but I guarentee if you look at the game as a whole something could have been done differently by the losing team that would have made that play less meaningful.
I can't speak for the play in question at FF yesterday, but it is obviously easier to umpire the bases than it is the plate. I know that there are enough good umpires to handle plate responsibilities in conference games throughout the city. I did not say that bad umpiring should be used as an excuse why you lost a game. I agree with you that it's far too easy to push the blame tosomeone else instead of looking at yourself. Good teams generally find a way to overcome bad calls. The team I wanted to win won yesterday....doesn't change the fact that the umpiring was dreadfully bad. Bad umpiring can contribute to the outcome of a game, but is never the sole reason why a team loses nor should it be portrayed as such.
AllSports12
04-10-08, 03:37 PM
if I ask for help this is how it would go!!
"hey that was a close play did you have a angle on it" and if he says I (me) had the best angle then the player is out!!!
if he says I seen him cross the bag before the throw not "THINK" I seen.... he has to know then I will change my call!!
You would ask for help on a close play?
My guess is that if your team had a call reversed against them because the umpire went to his partner citing "it was a close play", we'd be talking about the second ejection of your career.
If an umpire has to ask help on a close play, why is he even there?
itsgone
04-10-08, 03:42 PM
That being said, the assigners get feedback on umpires all the time. They know who the good ones are and who the not so good ones are.
As I understand it, the assigners are generally the head of, or an individual within a particular umpires association. Knowing several 'heads of umpire associations', the above is usually correct, but not always. Sad to say that there do exist some umpires and even associations that view things from the 'most dollars for the least possible time' aspect, and that's a shame to the sport.
However, the comments about the umpire's call is part of the game and has to be dealt with are spot on, crying over spilt milk does nothing to keep it from happening again.
I can't speak for the play in question at FF yesterday, but it is obviously easier to umpire the bases than it is the plate. I know that there are enough good umpires to handle plate responsibilities in conference games throughout the city. I did not say that bad umpiring should be used as an excuse why you lost a game. I agree with you that it's far too easy to push the blame tosomeone else instead of looking at yourself. Good teams generally find a way to overcome bad calls. The team I wanted to win won yesterday....doesn't change the fact that the umpiring was dreadfully bad. Bad umpiring can contribute to the outcome of a game, but is never the sole reason why a team loses nor should it be portrayed as such.
Agreed. I also agree that there are enough good umpires to have one behind the plate in all the big games but that leaves the base ump. Also if a plate umpire just is consistent thatis really all you can ask for. Good or bad if the players know what is going to be called a strike then they should be good enough to adjust to whatever that is.
basesloaded
04-10-08, 03:48 PM
Agreed. I also agree that there are enough good umpires to have one behind the plate in all the big games but that leaves the base ump. Also if a plate umpire just is consistent thatis really all you can ask for. Good or bad if the players know what is going to be called a strike then they should be good enough to adjust to whatever that is.
Amen...call your zone and call it consistently throughout the game and there should be no complaints.
Amen...call your zone and call it consistently throughout the game and there should be no complaints.
Thank you - and the IMHO world of baseball church is now out of session. We will congregate tomorrow again to discuss the wacky happenings of HS baseball.
SWO_Sports
04-10-08, 03:57 PM
I umpired for twenty years from TBall to High School ball. I never had to kick a player or parent out of a game. Any issues that did surface was handled by the coaches because the game would not proceed until the issue was resolved (part of the ground rules that only the designated coach on each team could argue or dispute a call and keep in check their own fans/parents/players). Most of the time if an issue with a player or parent or fan started to occur, the team that they were routing for put a stop to it. Only had to kick one coach out of a game and that was for smacking a kid across the face. A1 must have crossed the line more than once and there is no excuse for a parent to lose control when they are the very person that should be teaching it.
As an umpire you have to block out (filter) all the chatter/comments etc. But if it continues and is a distraction from the game it has to be addressed. Some fans/parents taunt an umpire to try and get a reaction from them because their embarrassed for their own actions. If the taunting party gets the reaction they want from the umpire than it helps make the parent look justified for the outburst. An umpire is required to be in control of the game, act professional, and try to make the correct call. If a COACH asks for an explanation or questions a non appealable call (that's what this situation was) an umpire has a choice to discuss in private with the other umpire the situation. The umpire would not discuss the situation (with the other umpire) if he himself did not see the call and was not 100% sure the other umpire was incorrect. Also an umpire has to report that he ejected someone from a game and I guarantee that they do not like to do that (eject someone or report the incident).
I was not there but I will tell you it takes a lot to get kicked out of a game. Think about it, if you were an umpire with hundreds of witnesses around you; wouldn't you make sure that you gave the ejected party the benefit of the doubt? If the umpires did know you A1, you must have either have a bad rap with them already or went way over the top (depending on past experience with them and the umpire association).
Also because A1 is a parent, coach, and president of the OHIO HEAT organization that consists of kids as young as 9 years old he should know better and show an example to everyone.
One more thing, hasn't this thread ran its course? I think most would agree that the answer to the question “Will Fairfield Win the GMC??" will probably be NO!
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:11 PM
if I ask for help this is how it would go!!
"hey that was a close play did you have a angle on it" and if he says I (me) had the best angle then the player is out!!!
if he says I seen him cross the bag before the throw not "THINK" I seen.... he has to know then I will change my call!!
bpdawg: You are wasting your time talknig to IMHO. His only reason to be on here is to continue to antagonize situations. IMHO and GCPRO never do anything wrong. They never get mad, the umpire is always right, and parents are always wrong. I agree with you bpdawg and why can't an umpire when he makes a bad call admit it and say "coach I blew it". I have seen good umpires do this. Scott Bolser is a good umpire who after missing a curve ball strike out that cost a run came to me and said I am sorry but I missed the call. I think that is a real man who admits his mistake. I admitted I should not have let the umpire make me lose my cool but he did, I apologized on Yappi and can you tell me why an umpire can not do the same thing. An action will produce a reaction, and their were people who were at the game on both sides who said the umpire "blew" the call. Admit it and there can be no argument. Is it totally why we lost NO. But to say it did not effect the outcome is rediculous. You want to hold parents and players to a different standard than the umpires. If the umpires at Great American threw out all the fans who cursed or called them names there would be no games.
I umpired for twenty years from TBall to High School ball. I never had to kick a player or parent out of a game. Any issues that did surface was handled by the coaches because the game would not proceed until the issue was resolved (part of the ground rules that only the designated coach on each team could argue or dispute a call and keep in check their own fans/parents/players). Most of the time if an issue with a player or parent or fan started to occur, the team that they were routing for put a stop to it. Only had to kick one coach out of a game and that was for smacking a kid across the face. A1 must have crossed the line more than once and there is no excuse for a parent to lose control when they are the very person that should be teaching it.
As an umpire you have to block out (filter) all the chatter/comments etc. But if it continues and is a distraction from the game it has to be addressed. Some fans/parents taunt an umpire to try and get a reaction from them because their embarrassed for their own actions. If the taunting party gets the reaction they want from the umpire than it helps make the parent look justified for the outburst. An umpire is required to be in control of the game, act professional, and try to make the correct call. If a COACH asks for an explanation or questions a non appealable call (that's what this situation was) an umpire has a choice to discuss in private with the other umpire the situation. The umpire would not discuss the situation (with the other umpire) if he himself did not see the call and was not 100% sure the other umpire was incorrect. Also an umpire has to report that he ejected someone from a game and I guarantee that they do not like to do that (eject someone or report the incident).
I was not there but I will tell you it takes a lot to get kicked out of a game. Think about it, if you were an umpire with hundreds of witnesses around you; wouldn't you make sure that you gave the ejected party the benefit of the doubt? If the umpires did know you A1, you must have either have a bad rap with them already or went way over the top (depending on past experience with them and the umpire association).
Also because A1 is a parent, coach, and president of the OHIO HEAT organization that consists of kids as young as 9 years old he should know better and show an example to everyone.
One more thing, hasn't this thread ran its course? I think most would agree that the answer to the question “Will Fairfield Win the GMC??" will probably be NO!
:clap: :clap: :clap: Very good post and right on IMHO.
A1- I love the way you equate all things negative to your way of thinking that it is okay because all other people do it. I state my opinions, you are the baseball guru, so we are told, I am saying that if you have been around the game you should know a little better. I think you have been told why the plate umpire would not interfere with the call, you just can't seem to accept it. I don't think either myself or IMHO have said the umpire is always right, in fact I said just the contrary, however I did say that umpire mistakes, like coaching mistakes and player mistakes are part of the game. It is what it is.
bpdawg: You are wasting your time talknig to IMHO. His only reason to be on here is to continue to antagonize situations. IMHO and GCPRO never do anything wrong. They never get mad, the umpire is always right, and parents are always wrong. I agree with you bpdawg and why can't an umpire when he makes a bad call admit it and say "coach I blew it". I have seen good umpires do this. Scott Bolser is a good umpire who after missing a curve ball strike out that cost a run came to me and said I am sorry but I missed the call. I think that is a real man who admits his mistake. I admitted I should not have let the umpire make me lose my cool but he did, I apologized on Yappi and can you tell me why an umpire can not do the same thing. An action will produce a reaction, and their were people who were at the game on both sides who said the umpire "blew" the call. Admit it and there can be no argument. Is it totally why we lost NO. But to say it did not effect the outcome is rediculous. You want to hold parents and players to a different standard than the umpires. If the umpires at Great American threw out all the fans who cursed or called them names there would be no games.
Did the umpire put the batter back up to the plate after admitting he was wrong on a ball/strike call? Of course he did not. You have not said anything about an umpire admittign he was wrong - you wanted him to change his decision by going to the plate umpire and get it reversed. Nothing more nothing less. I guess you would have stopped cussing him out if he would have said, "Big Boy I was wrong". To that I say a resounding BULL----
Did the umpire cuss you out? If he did he is in the wrong also. Don't start comparing high school baseball to a professional atmosphere. Way past apple and oranges there my friend.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:26 PM
I umpired for twenty years from TBall to High School ball. I never had to kick a player or parent out of a game. Any issues that did surface was handled by the coaches because the game would not proceed until the issue was resolved (part of the ground rules that only the designated coach on each team could argue or dispute a call and keep in check their own fans/parents/players). Most of the time if an issue with a player or parent or fan started to occur, the team that they were routing for put a stop to it. Only had to kick one coach out of a game and that was for smacking a kid across the face. A1 must have crossed the line more than once and there is no excuse for a parent to lose control when they are the very person that should be teaching it.
As an umpire you have to block out (filter) all the chatter/comments etc. But if it continues and is a distraction from the game it has to be addressed. Some fans/parents taunt an umpire to try and get a reaction from them because their embarrassed for their own actions. If the taunting party gets the reaction they want from the umpire than it helps make the parent look justified for the outburst. An umpire is required to be in control of the game, act professional, and try to make the correct call. If a COACH asks for an explanation or questions a non appealable call (that's what this situation was) an umpire has a choice to discuss in private with the other umpire the situation. The umpire would not discuss the situation (with the other umpire) if he himself did not see the call and was not 100% sure the other umpire was incorrect. Also an umpire has to report that he ejected someone from a game and I guarantee that they do not like to do that (eject someone or report the incident).
I was not there but I will tell you it takes a lot to get kicked out of a game. Think about it, if you were an umpire with hundreds of witnesses around you; wouldn't you make sure that you gave the ejected party the benefit of the doubt? If the umpires did know you A1, you must have either have a bad rap with them already or went way over the top (depending on past experience with them and the umpire association).
Also because A1 is a parent, coach, and president of the OHIO HEAT organization that consists of kids as young as 9 years old he should know better and show an example to everyone.
One more thing, hasn't this thread ran its course? I think most would agree that the answer to the question “Will Fairfield Win the GMC??" will probably be NO!
Like John Stossel says. GIVE ME A BREAK. You must have been an umpire like bpdawg, who will ask for help. Yhere are good umpires and bad ones. Furthermore this was not a 9 year old game... Are you telling me that you have never witnessed a poorly officiated game? Where are the oraganizations who are supposed to monitor the unpiring crews. I have never seen anyone tape a game and critique the umpires. It does not happen. What recourse is there when an umpire continually makes bad calls. Why do these same umpires solicit me and the teams in my organization asking for us to use utilize them. To all the good umpires who care and want to make sure the call is correct I congratulate you, and you can go 20 years without ejecting a person, to those who do not ....sleep well at night....
Like John Stossel says. GIVE ME A BREAK. You must have been an umpire like bpdawg, who will ask for help. Yhere are good umpires and bad ones. Furthermore this was not a 9 year old game... Are you telling me that you have never witnessed a poorly officiated game? Where are the oraganizations who are supposed to monitor the unpiring crews. I have never seen anyone tape a game and critique the umpires. It does not happen. What recourse is there when an umpire continually makes bad calls. Why do these same umpires solicit me and the teams in my organization asking for us to use utilize them. To all the good umpires who care and want to make sure the call is correct I congratulate you, and you can go 20 years without ejecting a person, to those who do not ....sleep well at night....
:laugh: :laugh: The umpiring crews solicit you and your organization because they want your money. Nothing more nothing less. :shrug: Or maybe it is becasue of the ultimate thrill it is to call a game for one of your teams :rolleyes:
You just don't get it do you. He is saying that you set an example for everyone in your organization from the 9 year olds to the high school age kids and you should take that responsibility seriously enough that you conduct yourself with some class at all functions you are involved in. That is what is expected of people in youth sports A-1. He didn't mean it was a 9 year old game!!
Bp Dawg - you really wouldn't ask for help if it is a close call would you? I can see every close call whoever you call it against making you check with your partner for the rest of the game. That would turn into a circus. Show some confidence in your ability to be in position to amke the call and get it right to the best of your ability. That is all most of us would ask for!!
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 04:46 PM
Bp Dawg - you really wouldn't ask for help if it is a close call would you? I can see every close call whoever you call it against making you check with your partner for the rest of the game. That would turn into a circus. Show some confidence in your ability to be in position to make the call and get it right to the best of your ability. That is all most of us would ask for!!
I would only ask for help if I Needed it!!!! if I felt I was out of position, I have only ask for help in one instance in a close championship game 4 years ago... I have ask for a conference on rules interpretations because all leagues are different !! from LL to SWOL!!!
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:48 PM
:laugh: :laugh: The umpiring crews solicit you and your organization because they want your money. Nothing more nothing less. :shrug: Or maybe it is becasue of the ultimate thrill it is to call a game for one of your teams :rolleyes:
SO MONEY is the driving force.:confused: Well I do not get paid, mine is for the love of the game.
The umpires I use are extremely professional, run out to a base to position themselves for a call and do an outstanding job. And yes they do ask for help on difficult close plays. ANd they do not have Rabit ears and rarely pay attention to the crowd. They are the Combs Brothers from Hamilton. They are great and have great people working for them, the Mahan Brothers from Hamilton and guys like Scott Bolser.
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 04:51 PM
SO MONEY is the driving force.:confused: Well I do not get paid, mine is for the love of the game.
The umpires I use are extremely professional, run out to a base to position themselves for a call and do an outstanding job. And yes they do ask for help on difficult close plays. ANd they do not have Rabit ears and rarely pay attention to the crowd. They are the Combs Brothers from Hamilton. They are great and have great people working for them, the Mahan Brothers from Hamilton and guys like Scott Bolser.
that is who I work for. I dont do as many games because of my son playing and they are the only ones I will work
I even one time tried to give money back to a team because we got rained out, and they wouldn't take it because its not about the money its the integrity of the game!!
I would only ask for help if I Needed it!!!! if I felt I was out of position, I have only ask for help in one instance in a close championship game 4 years ago... I have ask for a conference on rules interpretations because all leagues are different !! from LL to SWOL!!!
Agree on rules interpretations and I didn't think if you were an umpire you would asking for help on calls you were in position to make. I think you would agree that would become a circus.
SO MONEY is the driving force.:confused: Well I do not get paid, mine is for the love of the game.
The umpires I use are extremely professional, run out to a base to position themselves for a call and do an outstanding job. And yes they do ask for help on difficult close plays. ANd they do not have Rabit ears and rarely pay attention to the crowd. They are the Combs Brothers from Hamilton. They are great and have great people working for them, the Mahan Brothers from Hamilton and guys like Scott Bolser.
:laugh: :laugh: Your right those guys do a good job. I have seen them umpire many games - NEVER have I seen them have a confeerence to ask about what call to make becasue they were in position to make the call. Was the umpire last night out of position or screened by a player to the extent that he would need help making the call?
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 04:55 PM
Agree on rules interpretations and I didn't think if you were an umpire you would asking for help on calls you were in position to make. I think you would agree that would become a circus.
oh yeah!!! last night in the Edgewho Ross game when the fans and crowd got on the umpire he shut them out and would not even think about asking for help for it would have shown weakness in him but c'mon it really isnt right for the kids to not decide the game!!!
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:57 PM
that is who I work for. I dont do as many games because of my son playing and they are the only ones I will work
I even one time tried to give money back to a team because we got rained out, and they wouldn't take it because its not about the money its the integrity of the game!!
bpdawg" You guys do an exceptional job and I will continue to utilize the Combs and the umpires they hire. I know that we will be getting a quality game and not someone who wants to rush home and get the game over. You are waht makes the good umpires GOOD. There are a list of some very good umpires and I think we should publish the names of the umpires who consistently do a good job. Keep up the good work...
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:58 PM
oh yeah!!! last night in the Edgewho Ross game when the fans and crowd got on the umpire he shut them out and would not even think about asking for help for it would have shown weakness in him but c'mon it really isnt right for the kids to not decide the game!!!
AMEN AMEN AMEN:)
oh yeah!!! last night in the Edgewho Ross game when the fans and crowd got on the umpire he shut them out and would not even think about asking for help for it would have shown weakness in him but c'mon it really isnt right for the kids to not decide the game!!!
What do you mean by the kid's did not decide the game? Did the umpire take the bats out of the hands of one team by calling strikes on piches that were not hittable? Did the ump call base runners safe on plays that were not even close for one team only? Was he one sided towards one team?
Sorry I just don't buy the argument that the umpire decided a game.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 04:59 PM
:laugh: :laugh: Your right those guys do a good job. I have seen them umpire many games - NEVER have I seen them have a confeerence to ask about what call to make becasue they were in position to make the call. Was the umpire last night out of position or screened by a player to the extent that he would need help making the call?
No just blind.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 05:00 PM
:laugh: :laugh: Your right those guys do a good job. I have seen them umpire many games - NEVER have I seen them have a confeerence to ask about what call to make becasue they were in position to make the call. Was the umpire last night out of position or screened by a player to the extent that he would need help making the call?
No just blind. lol The Combs brothers will ask for help when necessary and are a personable as any crew you can hire.
No just blind.
So you believe he missed a call in the other teams favor in a critical moment of the game but he was in position to make the call so you blasted him.
BPDawg - as an umpire on a close play in a critical part of the game - what side normally feels you missed the call and which sidenormally feels you got the call correct?
No just blind. lol The Combs brothers will ask for help when necessary and are a personable as any crew you can hire.
Actually I think sometimes those guys umpire like they are the show instead of just being the umpires. I have seen them ask for help on a check swing - but never int he event of a close play. They have confidence they were in position to get it correct. I have heard them admit they missed a ball/strike call but that is way differrent than a close call on the bases.
AmericaOne
04-10-08, 05:06 PM
What do you mean by the kid's did not decide the game? Did the umpire take the bats out of the hands of one team by calling strikes on piches that were not hittable? Did the ump call base runners safe on plays that were not even close for one team only? Was he one sided towards one team?
Sorry I just don't buy the argument that the umpire decided a game.
On another play..a player from Hamilton came into second base fore-armed the second baseman knocking him down. This should have been addressed by the same umpire but was not. In High School rules I believe there is a "No malicious contact rule" Pete failed to do anything on this play. The second baseman was in position to receive the ball and the base runner did not attempt to slide. Neither umpire addressed this. If it is done at the plate the runner is out and may get ejected. Those runs scored after that play>..Play number 3 A FF runner at second, the pitcher on the rubber, the runner breaks for third and gets there. The umpire sent him back to second saying he had time.. If a pitcher is engaged on the rubber I believe you can steal the base....
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 05:07 PM
What do you mean by the kid's did not decide the game? Did the umpire take the bats out of the hands of one team by calling strikes on piches that were not hittable? Did the ump call base runners safe on plays that were not even close for one team only? Was he one sided towards one team?
Sorry I just don't buy the argument that the umpire decided a game.
the 1st base umpire missed calls on both sides but But the ball that was not caught in the OF and the runner who who beat the throw to make the last out of the game. does change the complexion of the contest the Rams should not have been in that situation to begin with but when you got game tying and winning runs erased by a umpires blantant bad call it just stings
bpdawg32
04-10-08, 05:11 PM
Actually I think sometimes those guys umpire like they are the show instead of just being the umpires. I have seen them ask for help on a check swing - but never int he event of a close play. They have confidence they were in position to get it correct. I have heard them admit they missed a ball/strike call but that is way differrent than a close call on the bases.
if you make the call decisively and quickly and do not shudder and take control of the situation that follows in a respectful manner and explain to the angry coach!!!! not fans how you seen it, but the main thing is be respectful and do not just turn away from the coach all that does is incite anger with him and show you may have got the call wrong!!! look him the face and stand firm in your decision.
On another play..a player from Hamilton came into second base fore-armed the second baseman knocking him down. This should have been addressed by the same umpire but was not. In High School rules I believe there is a "No malicious contact rule" Pete failed to do anything on this play. The second baseman was in position to receive the ball and the base runner did not attempt to slide. Neither umpire addressed this. If it is done at the plate the runner is out and may get ejected. Those runs scored after that play>..
Where was the 2B on the play? Was he in the baseline? Could it be the umpire didn't feel there was malicious contact on that play?
Question for umpires - on a play at 2B like the one A-1 is describing and on breaking up DP plays - who makes the call of interference or "malicious contact" - the base umpire who is concentrating on making the call of out or safe on the base runner at 2B and 1B or the home umpire who is watching the play? I have seen this play many times I just don't want A-1 to say I am stirring the pot.
Boys, boys, boys. Gosh, miss an hour, miss alot. Dawg-explain to the masses how a plate umpire can have a better angle on a throw from 3rd to first if the decision is not based on the throw pulling the first basemen off the bag. I was not there so have no way of knowing if the call was right/wrong and in fact would have to agree with A1 that based on Bowling's reaction the call probably was missed. Yet, the plate umpire has a horrible angle to see the foot down, ball in mitt and is 90 ft. away from the play. Not to mention, as correctly pointed out by IMHO, that should be checking if the runner on 3rd touched the plate. Please help us oh dear BPDawg.
Now for the other issues. Under no circumstance does a parent have the right to curse at an umpire and vice versa.
As for the double play call and malicious contact, still on the base umpire, he should be right on top of the play. Not that hard, I would venture to guess that it wasn't as bad as being portrayed.
SWO_Sports
04-10-08, 07:16 PM
Just wanted to post some excerpts from the 2008 Preseason High School Baseball Manual.
"If there is an ejection, a report must be completed and white copy sent to OHSAA."
"Public criticism of officials or players is unethical"
"Officials aren’t perfect and mistakes will be made, but it is all part of the learning process for our young student-athletes. So please take those disappointments and turn them into positive learning experiences."
"Obstruction: Obstruction in its simplest form is an act either intentional or accidental, verbal or physical that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play. Fielders, particularly catchers and first basemen, are not allowed to deny access to the base without possession of the ball. Each player on offense and defense have areas where they can be positioned that reduces excessive contact. Plays where the ball, fielder and runner all converge at the same point – the “train wreck” – are a part of the game. If the fielder’s action while not in possession of the ball denies the runner access to the base, obstruction should be called. Umpires must be aware that collisions might include malicious contact (by the offense or defense) and those penalties supersede the penalties for obstruction."
Bottom line losing control by anyone (Fan/parent/coach/player etc) is not acceptable. There are formal processes in place that would address these kinds of issues. If the coach (it's solely his responsibility how the team is ran) feels that the officiating was that bad he can file a complaint. If you as a parent feel a coach is that bad then you can file a complaint. If you as a player have a problem with the coach then he can complain to his parents. It's all about duties and chain of command.
A1 should already know all this. If he doesn't then shame on him! Don't justify your mistake. Learn from it (just like we try to teach our children). If you are truly sorry for your bad judgment, then quit trying to justify it!
SWO_Sports
04-10-08, 07:30 PM
Boys, boys, boys. Gosh, miss an hour, miss alot. Dawg-explain to the masses how a plate umpire can have a better angle on a throw from 3rd to first if the decision is not based on the throw pulling the first basemen off the bag. I was not there so have no way of knowing if the call was right/wrong and in fact would have to agree with A1 that based on Bowling's reaction the call probably was missed. Yet, the plate umpire has a horrible angle to see the foot down, ball in mitt and is 90 ft. away from the play. Not to mention, as correctly pointed out by IMHO, that should be checking if the runner on 3rd touched the plate. Please help us oh dear BPDawg.
Now for the other issues. Under no circumstance does a parent have the right to curse at an umpire and vice versa.
As for the double play call and malicious contact, still on the base umpire, he should be right on top of the play. Not that hard, I would venture to guess that it wasn't as bad as being portrayed.
Me being an umpire, I agree with what GCPRO says here. :thumb:
HS Guru35
04-11-08, 12:12 AM
Wow sounds like a volital situation at the game. A-1 I am glad that guy held his buddy back or I would probably be seeing you on the news tonight for kicking his butt --right?
I have missed something with your play-by-play of the last inning. It sounds like the first batter had a bloop single and the next two were retired and then a ground ball to third and the guy was called safe. How did the run score from first or had the runner advanced to third on the two outs?
Man that sounds like a tough night at the ol' ball yard.
IMHO, before you start getting smart with me why don't you learn how to spell volatile correctly. You act like a child and spell like one.
I'm not going to stoop and keep bickering with you because that's what children under 10 would want me to do. I guess you and your friends you get to back you up on here must not have graduated elementary school.
Keep using Yappi as a shield buddy!
Why don't you take your pestering, and your constant antagonizing to AmericaOne's face and quit hiding behind Yappi? You talk like a big, smart man. Act like one!
The Analyst
04-11-08, 12:17 AM
Wow. :clap: Well said Guru. Finally a little intelligence in this thread from somebody.
SWO_Sports
04-11-08, 02:55 AM
Wow. :clap: Well said Guru. Finally a little intelligence in this thread from somebody.
What makes the post by HS Guru35 any more or less intelligent than the one by IMHO above? The spelling error? So asking what seems to be valid questions is a lack of intelligence? I don't know anyone on here personally, only by what and how they post. I read into IMAO's posts as somewhat sarcastic at times but I think he has a right to his opinions, comments, and questions just like everyone else on here. To disagree with someone doesn't make you stupid and not asking questions make you smarter. Also I guess we're all “hiding behind Yappi?” because most of us don’t know each other right?
Reading posts on Yappi for me, is a form of entertainment and sometimes an educational one.
Basically if you don't like don't read/respond! JM2 pennies
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 07:08 AM
What makes the post by HS Guru35 any more or less intelligent than the one by IMHO above? The spelling error? So asking what seems to be valid questions is a lack of intelligence? I don't know anyone on here personally, only by what and how they post. I read into IMAO's posts as somewhat sarcastic at times but I think he has a right to his opinions, comments, and questions just like everyone else on here. To disagree with someone doesn't make you stupid and not asking questions make you smarter. Also I guess we're all “hiding behind Yappi?” because most of us don’t know each other right?
Reading posts on Yappi for me, is a form of entertainment and sometimes an educational one.
Basically if you don't like don't read/respond! JM2 pennies
SWO_
I have never hidden behind the Yappi Moniker and do not hide behind anything. I also do not come on here to antagonize anyone. It seems you knew who I was and called me out,, which does not bother me in the least. I am not afraid to admit I am wrong, and I have no problem apologizing to a person or a group when I am. I do not like the nit-picking of some of these posters on here. I do admit I lost my cool, but I tried to give some explanations of what lead up to this, the three incidents, but I get questions about where a kid was standing. He was not in the runners path and not blocking the bag.... Now I know who bpdawg32 is and he is a good man, has a very talented son in High School sports and is very reasonable that is why he is MODERATOR on this forum..he like myself is passionate about the game of baseball and gives back to the game.. I heard GCPRO was a good man who coached at a very good GCL High School until parents got him retired from his coaching job, but he is self-righteous and apparently has never lost his cool, is the perfect father, and just is PERFECT, and he tries to deny who he is... Now that may be why he does not like any parents saying anything, questioning anyone God forbid a parent question a High School coaches decision...that is the ULTIMATE SIN. Remember most coaches are parents, and most have umpired, myself included (not professionally) but I have done my share and everyone makes mistakes. Now I do not know why anyone would care who knows who truly is speaking on here, but I guess some people are afraid of what they say.
But you have just recently joined the Yappi family and have not seen through IMHO who I have sent private messages to when I thought he was truly sincere in wanting an answer only to come back on with what I said in private and make fun of it, joke about it and continue to try and draw me into confrontations. If you have failed to see that, I feel bad for you. The moderators know..
Ok, gentlemen, for all involved, let's stop the bickering. If you guys want to "talk" to each other, use the PM feature. If necessary, I will close this thread. You may start a new one regarding Fairfield, but keep the discussion on the team.
111411-I do not feel I was bickering with anyone. I try to explain the game to those that can't seem to comprehend how it is played or misplayed. All threads concerning FF baseball/athletics do get very personal at times. If I am part of that problem I apologize. It just seems that when issues are discussed and some have a different opinion on those issues, the discussion quickly becomes personal.
Perfection???? HA! Far from it. I hope that I'm a good parent, the other part who knows, not my call. I know I have never questioned a coach, an official, or another kid's ability as a parent. The coaching aspect, better check your sources. I am OUT!
KILLA13
04-11-08, 09:42 AM
:) Sorry...but no Fairfield will no longer be a contender to be the 2008 GMC Champs
The Big X
04-11-08, 11:56 AM
>..Play number 3 A FF runner at second, the pitcher on the rubber, the runner breaks for third and gets there. The umpire sent him back to second saying he had time.. If a pitcher is engaged on the rubber I believe you can steal the base....
No you are wrong. If the umpire has time it doesn't matter what the pitcher or anybody else is doing it doesn't count.
The Big X
04-11-08, 12:17 PM
IMHO, before you start getting smart with me why don't you learn how to spell volatile correctly. You act like a child and spell like one.
I'm not going to stoop and keep bickering with you because that's what children under 10 would want me to do. I guess you and your friends you get to back you up on here must not have graduated elementary school.
Keep using Yappi as a shield buddy!
Why don't you take your pestering, and your constant antagonizing to AmericaOne's face and quit hiding behind Yappi? You talk like a big, smart man. Act like one!
I just read this thread from the talk about what happened at the FF/Hamilton game to this. Where did you come from? I think IMHO was talking to A-1 wasn't he?
Since when is disagreeing with what is said by a poster something that is not allowed on YAPPI? IMHO disagreed with saying umpires lost a game for you, cussing an umpire, being a parent and getting thrown out of a game, blaming everything on umpires, wanted to know what happened in the game as A-1 was saying the umpire was horrible and was biased against FF at thier own home game, pointed out the different responsibilities umpires have on different plays of a game, questioned if BPDAWG really would ask another umpire for help on a close play if he was not blocked from making a call because everybody knows that would cause a problem on every close call after that - and you come on here like he was talking to you? He was talking to A-1 and doing a pretty good job of pointing out how outrageous A-1 posts were while having a little fun doing it. While you are sitting next to A-1 at the next FF game maybe you should lecture him about his behavior and let IMHO take care of himself. He doesn't need your help.
By the way - I know IMHO - he is a highly educated person who has been involved with baseball at very high levels for a long time. He knows what he is talking about. He doesn't make a living typing though :)
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 01:38 PM
I just read this thread from the talk about what happened at the FF/Hamilton game to this. Where did you come from? I think IMHO was talking to A-1 wasn't he?
Since when is disagreeing with what is said by a poster something that is not allowed on YAPPI? IMHO disagreed with saying umpires lost a game for you, cussing an umpire, being a parent and getting thrown out of a game, blaming everything on umpires, wanted to know what happened in the game as A-1 was saying the umpire was horrible and was biased against FF at thier own home game, pointed out the different responsibilities umpires have on different plays of a game, questioned if BPDAWG really would ask another umpire for help on a close play if he was not blocked from making a call because everybody knows that would cause a problem on every close call after that - and you come on here like he was talking to you? He was talking to A-1 and doing a pretty good job of pointing out how outrageous A-1 posts were while having a little fun doing it. While you are sitting next to A-1 at the next FF game maybe you should lecture him about his behavior and let IMHO take care of himself. He doesn't need your help.
By the way - I know IMHO - he is a highly educated person who has been involved with baseball at very high levels for a long time. He knows what he is talking about. He doesn't make a living typing though :)
Big X: Guru can have an opinion and he can see through the disguised vail of asking a question and really wanting to know the answer or just asking to stir the pot. You obviously can not see that. Secondly if you attended the game you would not say that these things mentioned were outrageous. The "no contact" rule is a safety issue, however; some of you educated baseball guys worry more about cursing than safety, now if that is not clling the kettle black. Again I am sure you have never gotten mad, or never cursed. You have a strange sense of humor if you think the man was trying to have fun...:confused:
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 01:41 PM
No you are wrong. If the umpire has time it doesn't matter what the pitcher or anybody else is doing it doesn't count.
X = No Time was motioned for nor indicated by the umpire I was twenty feet from the play, and the pitcher remained on the rubber. I think he has to at least motion or say time. I am not an umpire but I think they lift their hand or do some sort of motion?
The Big X
04-11-08, 01:53 PM
X = No Time was motioned for nor indicated by the umpire I was twenty feet from the play, and the pitcher remained on the rubber. I think he has to at least motion or say time. I am not an umpire but I think they lift their hand or do some sort of motion?
Actually A-1 the umpire has to indicate that play is in normally by saing "play" or pointing to the pitcher or something like that. The umpire will normally call time when he originally calls time but I don't think he is required to keep his hand up the entire time or anything like that. What is the difference? Your runneer was already in scoring position at 2B all you had to do was hit him in. Blame the umpire or say the players didn't do their job
SWO_Sports
04-11-08, 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWO_Sports
What makes the post by HS Guru35 any more or less intelligent than the one by IMHO above? The spelling error? So asking what seems to be valid questions is a lack of intelligence? I don't know anyone on here personally, only by what and how they post. I read into IMAO's posts as somewhat sarcastic at times but I think he has a right to his opinions, comments, and questions just like everyone else on here. To disagree with someone doesn't make you stupid and not asking questions make you smarter. Also I guess we're all “hiding behind Yappi?” because most of us don’t know each other right?
Reading posts on Yappi for me, is a form of entertainment and sometimes an educational one.
Basically if you don't like don't read/respond! JM2 pennies
SWO_
I have never hidden behind the Yappi Moniker and do not hide behind anything. I also do not come on here to antagonize anyone. It seems you knew who I was and called me out,, which does not bother me in the least. I am not afraid to admit I am wrong, and I have no problem apologizing to a person or a group when I am. I do not like the nit-picking of some of these posters on here. I do admit I lost my cool, but I tried to give some explanations of what lead up to this, the three incidents, but I get questions about where a kid was standing. He was not in the runners path and not blocking the bag.... Now I know who bpdawg32 is and he is a good man, has a very talented son in High School sports and is very reasonable that is why he is MODERATOR on this forum..he like myself.. I heard GCPRO was a good man who coached at a very good GCL High School until parents got him retired from his coaching job, but he is self-righteous and apparently has never lost his cool, is the perfect father, and just is PERFECT, and he tries to deny who he is... Now that may be why he does not like any parents saying anything, questioning anyone God forbid a parent question a High School coaches decision...that is the ULTIMATE SIN. Remember most coaches are parents, and most have umpired, myself included (not professionally) but I have done my share and everyone makes mistakes. Now I do not know why anyone would care who knows who truly is speaking on here, but I guess some people are afraid of what they say.
But you have just recently joined the Yappi family and have not seen through IMHO who I have sent private messages to when I thought he was truly sincere in wanting an answer only to come back on with what I said in private and make fun of it, joke about it and continue to try and draw me into confrontations. If you have failed to see that, I feel bad for you. The moderators know..
A1, I'm not trying to attack you or anyone on here. The post you’re referring to above was a response to posts about HS Guru35 and IMAO. I read this thread and from what I read I felt you were not excepting responsibility for your bad decision of verbally attacking the umpire in the above referenced game. I just wanted to post some factual information so you or anyone here can see that these kinds of issues in baseball (or any sport) are not acceptable and need to be addressed so they can be stopped (or minimized). From some of the posts I've read, you are in charge of a Baseball organization called the OHIO HEAT and your son plays for Fairfield. Because of your above reference about your involvement in baseball, I think you need to be held at a higher level of accountability (lead by example). Due to your position and influence on young players 9-18 years old (very influential ages) in your organization, you have the responsibility to not let your emotions get out of control and show poor judgment/behavior. I can't judge your or anyone’s "passionate about the game of baseball and gives back to the game". I can only speak for myself, that I feel I'm just as "passionate about the game of baseball and gives back to the game" as anyone else on here. I have not and do not think I would taunt an umpire and show disrespect to the game like you have (not saying that with the right circumstances I couldn’t), just saying I haven’t. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. What you do about it is what matters. You made a mistake right? So take ownership of it and quit trying to make excuses by blaming someone else. You’re tying to somehow justify your actions by making others look bad. By the way, passion for the game is why I took the time to write this and it's not (passion for the game) an excuse to disrespect the umpire or anyone for that matter. Have a good day!
SWO_Sports
04-11-08, 02:09 PM
Guru and you seem to take care of each other pretty well. You guys close?
Yes I was thinking this also. Could be one in the same? :confused:
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 02:20 PM
Yes I was thinking this also. Could be one in the same? :confused:
Sorry I do not know Guru. But again he sees through the pompous, self righteous, ands condescending statements. He is a smart man.
bpdawg32
04-11-08, 02:28 PM
Boys, boys, boys. Gosh, miss an hour, miss alot. Dawg-explain to the masses how a plate umpire can have a better angle on a throw from 3rd to first if the decision is not based on the throw pulling the first basemen off the bag. I was not there so have no way of knowing if the call was right/wrong and in fact would have to agree with A1 that based on Bowling's reaction the call probably was missed. Yet, the plate umpire has a horrible angle to see the foot down, ball in mitt and is 90 ft. away from the play. Not to mention, as correctly pointed out by IMHO, that should be checking if the runner on 3rd touched the plate. Please help us oh dear BPDawg.
Now for the other issues. Under no circumstance does a parent have the right to curse at an umpire and vice versa.
As for the double play call and malicious contact, still on the base umpire, he should be right on top of the play. Not that hard, I would venture to guess that it wasn't as bad as being portrayed.
Oh and I may have more time to help coach if you need it since I dont have to take that treck down 128 anymore!!!! LMAO!!!!! I was told I better not offer it up to much for i might get rooked into it!!!!
SWO_Sports
04-11-08, 02:30 PM
Sorry I do not know Guru. But again he sees through the pompous, self righteous, ands condescending statements. He is a smart man.
Sounds like the two of YOU describing each other. Multiple personality posts huh! Impressive response! Not!
Dawg-why no longer heading down 128???? I need all the help I can get. I may get to know some of the luv shack honeys in the process.
A1-POMPOUS? Kettle meet pot.
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 02:45 PM
Sounds like the two of YOU describing each other. Multiple personality posts huh! Impressive response! Not!
Volunteering for 10 years and spending hours of time and money to develop a very successful program is what I have done. It does not preclude me from getting upset at what many people perceived were extremely bad calls and losing my cool, very easy to do if you are truly a fan of baseball...Fan is short for Fanatic.... I told you I have NO IDEA about who GURU is but you want to challenge even that. I have no reason to lie about that. I told you some of the fol;ks that I know. If I have no problem letting you know who I am why don't you do the same. You are afraid to say who you are. Then we can be on an even dialogue. PM me I wont out you.
SWO_Sports
04-11-08, 03:08 PM
Volunteering for 10 years and spending hours of time and money to develop a very successful program is what I have done. It does not preclude me from getting upset at what many people perceived were extremely bad calls and losing my cool, very easy to do if you are truly a fan of baseball...Fan is short for Fanatic.... I told you I have NO IDEA about who GURU is but you want to challenge even that. I have no reason to lie about that. I told you some of the fol;ks that I know. If I have no problem letting you know who I am why don't you do the same. You are afraid to say who you are. Then we can be on an even dialogue. PM me I wont out you.
I would hope we're all proud of each others accomplishments. Here's quote from one of my previous posts “Bottom line losing control by anyone (Fan/parent/coach/player etc) is not acceptable".
Also no one called you a liar ("sounds like") just questioning.
A1, I can tell by reading some of your posts on Yappi that you get yourself into these situations. Stop your own bleeding!
I have no need or desire to PM you. I can find trouble right in my own neighborhood.
I'll always remember what I wise man told me once "Except responsibility, learn from it, then move on and try not to make the same mistake twice"
Good advice huh!
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 05:13 PM
Your second baseman was in front of the bag (blocking it) any good coach will teach the kid to straddle the bag. He did not fore-arm him, there was no malicious contact. And the umpire did call TIME and held his hand up, it doesn't matter what the player is doing on the mound..when time is called all play stops. A1, you coach summer ball, you know the rules..or at least I would hope so. :shrug:
Question if the catcher is waiting to receive the ball at home and in a high school game the player comes in and knocks the catcher over whether malicious or not the player is out, up to the umpire to go further. The same rule applies at second, you can not throw your hands up, put your hand out, forearm or in any way obstruct the second baseman, other than sliding into to bag. Why was this not an out? Question two does that particular umpire have anything to do with Hamilton High School Athletics? Yes I do know the rules concerning calling time and usually the umpire raises his hand and yells loudly "time" or "pitcher has time. If he did I did not hear him or see him and was pretty close. Either way can you answer my two questions.
Twenty feet away close-you must have been playing shortstop. Second base to third base is 90 feet, at FHS another 50 or so feet from foul line to fence line. Base umpire should be in the general vicinity of second base. Twenty feet from the play??????????? Never let the facts interfere with a good disagreement.
Two days later and still on the same subject. Time to move on>
bigdave7
04-11-08, 10:21 PM
:) Sorry...but no Fairfield will no longer be a contender to be the 2008 GMC Champs
What a bad week for Fairfield, especially losing by only a few runs.
AmericaOne
04-11-08, 10:34 PM
Twenty feet away close-you must have been playing shortstop. Second base to third base is 90 feet, at FHS another 50 or so feet from foul line to fence line. Base umpire should be in the general vicinity of second base. Twenty feet from the play??????????? Never let the facts interfere with a good disagreement.
Two days later and still on the same subject. Time to move on>
20 feet from the umpire!!!
bigdave7
04-11-08, 10:45 PM
ok, yappi police, I get it now, we can go on and on and on and on about a bad call by an ump, but the moment another, more important subject is brought up, it is deleted?
Unless you can provide some type of a link to underage student-athletes getting into trouble, or confirm it in some way, it's a liability issue.
bigdave7
04-11-08, 11:10 PM
ok, now that I know the rules, I will behave-just heard alot of talk at the game
ok, now that I know the rules, I will behave-just heard alot of talk at the game
We appreciate it.
JUST THE TRUTH
04-11-08, 11:59 PM
Bad week heck, bad season so far! Looks like we're done. Same stupid mistakes. Coaching too incompetent to make correct changes. Let me be the frist to say Fairfield baseball will never be with these 2 coaches, Price and Adams. See ya at the board meeting.
20 ft. from the umpire at second base, really? Really, there is nothing else to discuss 1-6 and 0-6 is what it is. Players out of the dugout talking to parents, talking to buddies during the game. It is what it is! One reaps what they sow. Just the Truth-same old, sameold. Blame it on the coaches. Let's see, 3 head coaches since the "peeper" left for the desert, and what do you have? HHS-young as young can be, 6-1 and 6-0. Enough said!
JUST THE TRUTH
04-12-08, 12:53 AM
GCPRO I don't know that much about the past. What I do know is that's where the blame should be placed. Well the AD should take some of the heat.
SWO_Sports
04-12-08, 12:56 AM
20 ft. from the umpire at second base, really? Really, there is nothing else to discuss 1-6 and 0-6 is what it is. Players out of the dugout talking to parents, talking to buddies during the game. It is what it is! One reaps what they sow. Just the Truth-same old, sameold. Blame it on the coaches. Let's see, 3 head coaches since the "peeper" left for the desert, and what do you have? HHS-young as young can be, 6-1 and 6-0. Enough said!
I agree "there is nothing else to discuss 1-6 and 0-6 is what it is". From what I can tell by reading A1's posts you will never be right and he will never be wrong; even if he says you are right and he is wrong. I think you know what I mean?
ilovebeingunknown
04-12-08, 04:28 PM
and things looked bright after the scrimmages but quote me they will turn it around and they lost alot of close games that could have went either way think about it 1 run game to hamilton 1 run game at east 1 run game at hamilton 2 run game at west indiand could very well be 4-2 in the GMC
natisports09
04-14-08, 09:38 AM
While West is still looking strong, Princeton lost to CHCA (Division 3), 12-10 on saturday
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