Best Pitching staff in Cincinnati

[KM BB]

What are your opinions on the best staffs in the cincy area?

[111411]

Can you put some names and credentials with the teams?

[insdieman]

Voted for Moeller because of the following pitchers:
Ross Oltorik- RHP:7-2 career record (2 yrs); ERA 1.79;90-94 MPH; committed to The Ohio State University
Greg Williams-LHP: 8-0 career record (1yr); ERA 0.15; 86-89 MPH; committed to Marshall University
Patrick Curtin-LHP: 4-1 career record (1.5 yrs); ERA 1.77;81-83 MPH; looking at several D1 schools but limited to visits because of football
Brent Suter-LHP: 1 yr of varsity; only pitched 9 innings because of basketball; ERA 3.89; 83-86 MPH; looking at several Ivy League Schools;

all of them are seniors however Williams and Oltorik will be getting the call late in the year because of experience of pitching in the postseason. I know some will say West has the best pitching staff but if you matchup up the two teams pitching staffs then I pretty sure you will see the superior talent is favoring Moeller with being able to throw two pitchers who can just dominate the game with their stuff. It is not very often when you can throw out 4 pitchers, 3 being left LH, all being seniors and throwing at least in the mid-80's

[AFbaseball2]

damn Moeller is impressive..Hows Elder looking besides having Nastold?

[Voice-of-Reason]

Moe's staff is impressive.

[Xslugger19]

i'm not saying colerain is the best staff in the city, but they are definitely top 5

[Italia738]

...if only Beaver was still at Moeller.

[jus do it]

1. Moeller
2. Elder
3. West
4. C-rain
5. Glen Este

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

...if only Beaver was still at Moeller.

He'd probably be looking to make his first varsity start this season. Not saying he wouldn't have been good enough, just the Moeller way...

[rodney20]

Nastold gives Elder the best staff by himself

[insdieman]

Nastold gives Elder the best staff by himself

Nastold cannot even finish his own game that he starts. He throws so many pitches because its all about k's with him that he can only go 4 or 5 innings. Look what Moeller, West and Mentor did to him. He lost those 4 games because they forced his pitch count up. He threw like 130 in each of those games while only throwing 4 or 5 innings. Ok so what you strike out 10-15 kids you also walked 13 and you give up runs and you team loses. The purpose of a pitcher is to let your team behind make the plays. One thing Nastold better do is be able to control the strike zone. I don't think many pro teams will put up with it. (making teams not want to draft him)

Don't get me wrong I like Mike, I have played with him before and he is a good friend. I just don't think just because you have him makes your team have the best staff. Obviously he is not untouchable because he only went 7-4 and had a ERA around 1.5.
Here is one of Mike's lines from the Moeller game at WCBO
NO Name IP: 4.2 H:5 ER:4 BB:8 SO:10 TB:61 TS:63 TP:124
1 Nastold, Mike

[gogo24]

Nastold gives Elder the best staff by himself

Anyone heard anything about him getting hurt recently????

[Chuckbobuck0804]

yeah he broke his leg..that sucks for him

[gogo24]

yeah he broke his leg..that sucks for him

I heard that too. That's a tough break. ( no pun intended)

[trucreature]

Well, while Moeller is impressive, I think Glen Este is the class of the pitching in cincy. Strong up the middle, with Jeffers as catcher and Jones in center, I am predicting great things for them,, maybe all the way.

[trucreature]

The best staff in the city based upon all star games this fall,, is certainly glen este, not only that but they are strong up the middle with jeffers and jones,,, maybe the sky is the limit for them

[Sports9]

Moeller has the best staff...4 senior pitchers with that can get it done, 2 good catchers..Elder a close second

[gogo24]

Moeller has the best staff...4 senior pitchers with that can get it done, 2 good catchers..Elder a close second


Agree...Moeller's staff should be awesome.Any of their top 3... (Oltorik, Williams, Curtin) would be the number 1 starter on the majority of teams. As far as Elder goes, hopefully Nastold can return to form after recovering from the broken leg he has suffered.

[frznrope]

Agree...Moeller's staff should be awesome.Any of their top 3... (Oltorik, Williams, Curtin) would be the number 1 starter on the majority of teams. As far as Elder goes, hopefully Nastold can return to form after recovering from the broken leg he has suffered.

how did he break his leg and how bad was it?

[boroguy]

I am kind of bias but Springboro should definitely be up here and its not really cincinnati but are definitely legit

[inLOVEwithBASEBALL]

Mason's staff isn't over powering but is solid and will get the job done
Jimmy Williams~81-83 topping 85
Cody Saylor~82-85 topping 86
Ben Lause~81-83 topping 84
Josh Stolz~80
Derek Cox~80-81
Brian Apking~82-85 topping 86
Along with a couple of other arms coming out of the pen

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

Agree...Moeller's staff should be awesome.Any of their top 3... (Oltorik, Williams, Curtin) would be the number 1 starter on the majority of teams. As far as Elder goes, hopefully Nastold can return to form after recovering from the broken leg he has suffered.

It would be hard to find a better staff than Moeller. Williams was one of the best I saw last year. Tall, hard-throwing lefties are nice to have around. If Oltorik is healthy (hope so) he can dominate as well. Haven't seen Curtin much but he looked very solid the little I did see him. They have a few more (Seeger, Suter and I bet some young guys coming up from JV) that would probably be among the top pitchers at most schools. I always wonder if some of these good pitchers that are further down the list at Moeller regret going to a school with such a good baseball program.

Elder should be well stocked with Nastold, Bernsden, Reilly, and Ernst. Rother and Hollstegge at St. X (I have to be missing some guys there). I'm not sure what LaSalle has in the pitching department.

I'm sure the schools above will also have some young guys step up and have great years.

[insdieman]

I always wonder if some of these good pitchers that are further down the list at Moeller regret going to a school with such a good baseball program.

I don't think those kids should regret going to good high schools that produces college players like a factory. If you think about not every kid is ready for varsity as a sophomore. They need that extra year at JV to get them preped for varsity. There is no shame in not playing varsity as a sophomore at schools like Moeller and Elder. Kids at the lower end of the rotation will get their time to shine sometime during the season and chances are some school is always there to watch someone play. I know a lot of kids who played JV as juniors and still went to school with an athletic scholarship.

[t-man08]

Glen este go the best staff in the city..

they got so many weapons pitching wise and they can all go deep into games

[TheKid08]

no, moeller easily has the best staff in the city.. behind them elder with nastold and ernst

[t-man08]

moeller may have a good staff but they dont have what glen este has and they have a deep staff at glen este

[insdieman]

moeller may have a good staff but they dont have what glen este has and they have a deep staff at glen este

Moeller has 4 D1 pitchers compared to 0 D1 pitchers for Glen Este. I don't think you need 10 pitchers for a season. You only need 5 or 6 pitchers. When you get to the tourney you need two (Williams and Oltorik>> any Glen Este pitcher). Just because the did good in the champions fall ball league doesn't mean anything. Williams played for St. Louis Cardinals Scout Team (Oltorik turned down the offer b/c of football) I do not think any Glen Este pitcher got that recognition.

Glen Este= OVERRATED

[TheKid08]

Agreed!

[Xslugger19]

Glenn Este does have a very nice staff, especially with marksberry. I've played against some of them and they are good... but its a whole different game playing in the GCL

[basesloaded]

Moeller has 4 D1 pitchers compared to 0 D1 pitchers for Glen Este. I don't think you need 10 pitchers for a season. You only need 5 or 6 pitchers. When you get to the tourney you need two (Williams and Oltorik>> any Glen Este pitcher). Just because the did good in the champions fall ball league doesn't mean anything. Williams played for St. Louis Cardinals Scout Team (Oltorik turned down the offer b/c of football) I do not think any Glen Este pitcher got that recognition.

Glen Este= OVERRATED

Marksberry and Fuller are both juniors. i have seen them both pitch and they both have great stuff and could definately D1 pitchers in college. I know they have a couple seniors who have pretty good stuff too but not sure of their names. Ive just plaed against those 2. I think it's a reach to say there staff will be better than Moellers this year though they will be good. Moellers staff will be the best in the city. And Xslugger,the gcl is not everything. I believe West won a state championship last year.

[Gotti]

West

[chip2th]

how did nastold break his leg? is he still gonna go pro after the injury?

[Xslugger19]

Marksberry and Fuller are both juniors. i have seen them both pitch and they both have great stuff and could definately D1 pitchers in college. I know they have a couple seniors who have pretty good stuff too but not sure of their names. Ive just plaed against those 2. I think it's a reach to say there staff will be better than Moellers this year though they will be good. Moellers staff will be the best in the city. And Xslugger,the gcl is not everything. I believe West won a state championship last year.

Umm yea, and i believe West is in the GMC... and yea the GMC and GCL are evenly matched. But the FAVC doesn't compare to either conference.

[basesloaded]

Umm yea, and i believe West is in the GMC... and yea the GMC and GCL are evenly matched. But the FAVC doesn't compare to either conference.

Most years I would agree with you. This year I will put the top 2 or 3 FAVC teams up against any GCL or GMC team.

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

Most years I would agree with you. This year I will put the top 2 or 3 FAVC teams up against any GCL or GMC team.

And last year Mason belonged in that group.

Anyway, since the topic of this thread is best pitching staff, it really doesn't makes sense to compare conferences (if I was ;), I'd give it to the GMC because they are guaranteed to have many tough conference games each year - the GCL south teams have at most 6 tough GCL south conference games and less if any of those teams are having an off year).

[marksberry14]

Moeller has 4 D1 pitchers compared to 0 D1 pitchers for Glen Este. I don't think you need 10 pitchers for a season. You only need 5 or 6 pitchers. When you get to the tourney you need two (Williams and Oltorik>> any Glen Este pitcher). Just because the did good in the champions fall ball league doesn't mean anything. Williams played for St. Louis Cardinals Scout Team (Oltorik turned down the offer b/c of football) I do not think any Glen Este pitcher got that recognition.

Glen Este= OVERRATED

hahaha good man you got jokes you wait till 09 when you see the people goin to college...and its Moeller its a name your not all hot shots cause you have people go to big name colleges...we arnt a rich school like you lol our bad haha oh yea i gotten alot of stuff from some big D1 colleges and been seen alot so you cant tell me noone from glen este has

[AmericaOne]

hahaha good man you got jokes you wait till 09 when you see the people goin to college...and its Moeller its a name your not all hot shots cause you have people go to big name colleges...we arnt a rich school like you lol our bad haha oh yea i gotten alot of stuff from some big D1 colleges and been seen alot so you cant tell me noone from glen este has

Marksberry is every bit as strong from the left side as the two Moeller Players mentioned. He is only a junior and can bring it. With a little refinement Marksberry will be a very effective pitcher. Brent Suter is a Moeller pitcher who is smart, can pitch with anyone, and should be mentioned as one of Moeller's top pitchers. Both these lefties are D1 pitchers...

[Xslugger19]

who's gonna compliment marksberry.. because you need atleast 2 pitchers to go anywhere in the postseason

[Waterboy1992]

Badin

[fusion25]

you must be confused its rotation not one good pitcher because thats all badin has

[Chuckbobuck0804]

Glen Este has a 5 man rotation..So i am pretty positive that, that is more than one pitcher. So its Marksberry and 4 other guys=postseason

[insdieman]

Glen Este has a 5 man rotation..So i am pretty positive that, that is more than one pitcher. So its Marksberry and 4 other guys=postseason

See the funny thing is that everyone makes it to the postseason. I think you guys just need to get ready for your annual early exit in the sectionals.

[rays16]

I saw Marksberry in the fall and was impressed. What were his numbers in high school or more importantly what were his numbers in the champions fall league. Strikeouts, runs allowed, walks, and did he give up many hits or homers.

[speakintheetruth]

marksberry just isnt really that good i have seen him play a couple times and he hasnt shown me anything that would indicate that he is D1 material The GCL south and some superior school form the GMC are just unreal year in and year out its just tough to compete with them

[Xuball11]

marksberry just isnt really that good i have seen him play a couple times and he hasnt shown me anything that would indicate that he is D1 material The GCL south and some superior school form the GMC are just unreal year in and year out its just tough to compete with them

Son, he is a left hander that throws high 80's. If you don't think that's D1 material, you are sadly mistaken.

Also, the top GMC schools and the GCL south always have great teams, but there are a few FAVC schools that will compete very well with any of them the next few years.

[speakintheetruth]

first off i dont kno why you are calling me son second off high 80's is nothing in college that will get rocked all day plus i highly doubt he throws that hard all the time also there are alot of other things that go into play such as height weight potential off speed stuff when a FAVC school plays a GCL south school they are often intimidated out of their mind and often lose the game in the first inning

[Xuball11]

first off i dont kno why you are calling me son second off high 80's is nothing in college that will get rocked all day plus i highly doubt he throws that hard all the time also there are alot of other things that go into play such as height weight potential off speed stuff when a FAVC school plays a GCL south school they are often intimidated out of their mind and often lose the game in the first inning

Well, you've really shown your baseball knowledge here. You're right....there are absolutely no D-1 schools looking for a high school junior left handed pitcher throwing high 80's with good movement and a nice curve ball.:rolleyes: He will be lucky if he gets any looks at all. :laugh:

Also, a couple of the FAVC schools I know of have many kids who play at the highest level possible in the summer and have played in some of the best tournaments in the country. If you think these kids are going to be intimidated by a GCL South school....please, just keep right on thinking that!

[speakintheetruth]

ok high 80's is a number i dont believe if he has somehow threw this hard one time doesnt mean he does it all the time also if u listen to what im saying velocity doesnt mean that much comin into college unless u throw mid 90's alot of college coaches look for potential for their recruits to grow into also a nice curveball is very much up for opinion....didnt look that great to me also you are right about how there are a handful of kids from the FAVC that play in big tournaments but especially in baseball one or two players cant speak or act for the whole team the majority of these players on these teams are intimidated whether you like it or not ive seen it many times yea you will have those confident players who have played with the big boys in the summer but often they realize they are outmatched as a team and will often have a worse attitude then that of lesser players on the team when playing the big time teams such as elder moeller st x go to every game moeller or elder plays the way they carry themselves the way they know they are going to win really shines through against school who arent used to winning all the time

[Xbomber0]

Unless you have a guy throwing mid to upper 90's he won't get many looks as a junior. Colleges still have another year that they can look at him and will focus more on seniors.

[Xbomber0]

I also agree Moeller has the best pitching staff in the city.

[Trojanman_11]

marksberry plays on a team(glen este) where ther are, lets see, four seniors and 7 juniors that play very competitive summer teams. i have seen marksberry throw, faced him, and been there when hes been clocked at 88-89 consistenly.

marksberry is about 6'1 190 pounds and has a sharp breaking ball. your tellin me that scouts arent goin to look at a kid like this until hes a senior. :confused: thats pretty funny, considering that hes recieved letters from cosched saying they have seen him play and like what they saw. they have invited him to camps to further evaluate him.

and trust me. glen este is not intimidated by anyone. i cant speak for other teams and i think you shouldnt either. i know that there is not one person on our team that is intimidated by anyone.

[jus do it]

geeze u know a lot about marksberry..you related to him?

[Trojanman_11]

no...we used to play on the same summer team and this will be our third year together in high school ball.

[GCPRO]

xuball-just curious, has a FAVC team at any level besides Anderson with Jensen Lewis(state semis) ever made a tournament run? I know that Mason in the late 80's were state runner-up although setting a record for largest margin of defeat. Any others? Competing with and overcoming are two entirely different entities. You have to give the GMC and GCL their due respect. Unbelievable!

[marksberry14]

i say we let our playing do the talking

[Xuball11]

xuball-just curious, has a FAVC team at any level besides Anderson with Jensen Lewis(state semis) ever made a tournament run? I know that Mason in the late 80's were state runner-up although setting a record for largest margin of defeat. Any others? Competing with and overcoming are two entirely different entities. You have to give the GMC and GCL their due respect. Unbelievable!

Exactly what is unbelievable? If you read my post you will see that I said the GCL and GMC always have great teams. How is that not giving them their due respect? There is no question about the history and competitiveness of the 2 leagues. To answer your question about an FAVC team EVER making a run in the state tournament, in 1988, I was a senior at Glen Este and we made a trip to the Regional Finals (one game away from state final 4). That year we beat Elder, Lasalle, and X in succession to get out of Cincinnati. Glen Este also advanced to the Regionals in the 1990's....1992 or 93 with Ryan Grimmett and Brian Conley, and I believe lost a 14 inning game to Hamilton in the district finals in 97. The point is that, absolutely, as a whole, the GCL and GMC are the top two leagues in Cincinnati and probably the entire state. That being said, every once in awhile, other schools have classes come through that can compete with and, as you put it "overcome" the top GMC and GCL teams. I think a few FAVC teams will have a chance to do that the next few years. Whether or not it happens, we'll see.

[GCPRO]

I think playing in the FAVC is precisely what holds those teams back. Mason was very good last year and could not get out of the districts. The GMC gauntlet of a schedule prepares them annually for tournament success. The GCL South is obviously a very good, talented league.

[bpdawg32]

Exactly what is unbelievable? If you read my post you will see that I said the GCL and GMC always have great teams. How is that not giving them their due respect? There is no question about the history and competitiveness of the 2 leagues. To answer your question about an FAVC team EVER making a run in the state tournament, in 1988, I was a senior at Glen Este and we made a trip to the Regional Finals (one game away from state final 4). That year we beat Elder, Lasalle, and X in succession to get out of Cincinnati. Glen Este also advanced to the Regionals in the 1990's....1992 or 93 with Ryan Grimmett and Brian Conley, and I believe lost a 14 inning game to Hamilton in the district finals in 97. The point is that, absolutely, as a whole, the GCL and GMC are the top two leagues in Cincinnati and probably the entire state. That being said, every once in awhile, other schools have classes come through that can compete with and, as you put it "overcome" the top GMC and GCL teams. I think a few FAVC teams will have a chance to do that the next few years. Whether or not it happens, we'll see.

in 1988 Fairfield (GMC) made it to state

[Xuball11]

in 1988 Fairfield (GMC) made it to state

You are right. We would have had them next had we won. We lost to Kettering Alter 4-3. They had a 6'6 RHP that threw low 90's. We had the better team, but ran into one pitcher. The game was played at Lemon Monroe HS who had a 350 foot center field fence. Alter hit a 355 foot, 3 run homer in the first inning. I never understood why the OHSAA didn't pick better venues for state games back then. We beat X in the district finals that year at Western Hills HS and their 270 foot right field fence. Why in the world play games at fields where routine fly balls can turn into home runs?

[Xuball11]

I think playing in the FAVC is precisely what holds those teams back. Mason was very good last year and could not get out of the districts. The GMC gauntlet of a schedule prepares them annually for tournament success. The GCL South is obviously a very good, talented league.

I agree with that somewhat. The GMC league schedule is brutal, and unfortunately for the FAVC schools, the non-league games against GCL and GMC teams on the schedule alot of times don't happen because of league rain outs being made up and bumping the non league games. I think the league will be stronger this year than most years.

[GCPRO]

Yet scheduling a non-league game against those schools is in no way the same as playing their schedule. A non-league game would normally feature a matchup of #3 or down pitchers plus the lack of will to win a league contest. Now we all know that everyone wants to win, but I think you understand the difference. In tourney play at each level you advance you are facing a team's best or second best pitcher, in league games the same is true. The GMC is brutal because of that alone, the GCL South, only when the face each other because I don't really see what is gained by them playing the North and Central teams.
I remember the early 90's Glen Este teams, they had as much if not more talent than any team in the state. In 20 years, you can only point out a couple of teams that even had a chance at a run.

[Xslugger19]

Unless you have a guy throwing mid to upper 90's he won't get many looks as a junior. Colleges still have another year that they can look at him and will focus more on seniors.

Thats incorrect, most top D1 colleges are looking at juniors.. not seniors. They sign them as seniors, but do a lot of their scouting prior to senior year. All the good junior players are gone before they play a game their senior year. The only thing senior year helps with is if the kid has a chance at getting drafted.

[Xslugger19]

first off i dont kno why you are calling me son second off high 80's is nothing in college that will get rocked all day plus i highly doubt he throws that hard all the time also there are alot of other things that go into play such as height weight potential off speed stuff when a FAVC school plays a GCL south school they are often intimidated out of their mind and often lose the game in the first inning

Actually high 80's isnt all that bad in college, you can be very successful. Unless you're a UNC or USC or top D1 school, you don't have a lot pitchers throwin low to mid 90's.

[speakintheetruth]

im not saying that you cant be successful but high 80's in high school is alot different then high 80's in college in many aspects high 80's in high school can often get a pitcher a win just by that pitch alone but in college if you try throwing that up here all day it will get rocked but the point i was trying to make is that high 80's is nothing to count on in college there are alot more aspects that go into pitching at a DI level

[marksberry14]

ill tell you who ive seen thats really darn good Matt Kanapki he goes to Alter, Casey Henn Colrain,Chris hunley Colrain, James Brown Kings,Bret
Sutter Moeller....they all played on my cincinnati allstar fallball team they all got sick talent

[Chuckbobuck0804]

Matt Marksberry only tops out at 72 MPH. Why does everyone talk good about him?

[Xslugger19]

im not saying that you cant be successful but high 80's in high school is alot different then high 80's in college in many aspects high 80's in high school can often get a pitcher a win just by that pitch alone but in college if you try throwing that up here all day it will get rocked but the point i was trying to make is that high 80's is nothing to count on in college there are alot more aspects that go into pitching at a DI level

Oh i misunderstood you.. yea you definitely need more than a fastball in college.

[marksberry14]

Matt Marksberry only tops out at 72 MPH. Why does everyone talk good about him?


wow thanks chuck haha

[redskin63]

moeller may have a good staff but they dont have what glen este has and they have a deep staff at glen este

What exactly does Glen Este have that Moeller doesn't? They may have a deep staff but who really cares? All you need is two pitchers in the tournament. Quality over quantity any day of the week.

[redskin63]

Unless you have a guy throwing mid to upper 90's he won't get many looks as a junior. Colleges still have another year that they can look at him and will focus more on seniors.

That is totally wrong. Most guys are already signed by the time their senior year starts. The offers usually start coming in the summer after their junior year.

[redskin63]

Moeller has 4 D1 pitchers compared to 0 D1 pitchers for Glen Este. I don't think you need 10 pitchers for a season. You only need 5 or 6 pitchers. When you get to the tourney you need two (Williams and Oltorik>> any Glen Este pitcher). Just because the did good in the champions fall ball league doesn't mean anything. Williams played for St. Louis Cardinals Scout Team (Oltorik turned down the offer b/c of football) I do not think any Glen Este pitcher got that recognition.

Glen Este= OVERRATED

Moeller is solid. They do not have 4 D1 pitchers.

[speakintheetruth]

i cant believe we r now comparing Moeller and Glenn Este thats like comparing apples and oranges Moeller would dominate Glenn Este 99 out of 100 times with that 1 time being the biggest fluke in the world

[bulldog5704]

how much will it hurt GE missing one of their pitchers due to "off the field issues"

[marksberry14]

how much will it hurt GE missing one of their pitchers due to "off the field issues"

and who would that be????

[marksberry14]

i cant believe we r now comparing Moeller and Glenn Este thats like comparing apples and oranges Moeller would dominate Glenn Este 99 out of 100 times with that 1 time being the biggest fluke in the world

.....moeller players arent "GODS" like y'all think they are i play with some moeller kids and there good but not really something to make me go...ooooo moeller lol come man

[111411]

Enough with the spitting contests. No more warnings.

[Trojanman_11]

how much will it hurt GE missing one of their pitchers due to "off the field issues"

if it is who i think you are talking about then it wont hurt us at all because he want going to be on the team anyway, but im not sure if were talking about the same person. who are you talking about??

[Trojanman_11]

What exactly does Glen Este have that Moeller doesn't? They may have a deep staff but who really cares? All you need is two pitchers in the tournament. Quality over quantity any day of the week.


were not saying that glen este has anything over moeller. moeller is always good. were just saying that this is glen este's year to compete with everyone. anyone of our pitchers could win league games for us. quality and quantity... even better

[JackLink]

.....moeller players arent "GODS" like y'all think they are i play with some moeller kids and there good but not really something to make me go...ooooo moeller lol come man

I wonder who this is...

[hehateme2911]

Moeller defenitly has th best staff, but look out for a kid from X named Tommy White. Throws gas (touches in the 80's) with great off speed stuff that he knows how to use. Only a sophomore, but should be a stud in time

[JackLink]

Moeller defenitly has th best staff, but look out for a kid from X named Tommy White. Throws gas (touches in the 80's) with great off speed stuff that he knows how to use. Only a sophomore, but should be a stud in time

Haha your kidding, right? Touching 80's? That will get rocked in the GCL...

[hehateme2911]

i've seen him play, and hes a pitcher than can mix his stuff up, and hit spots. its not all about blowing it past people

[RTG34]

If you want to be successful in the GCL you better be throwing at least 85-86 with some movement. Anything slower than that is just BP

[Xslugger19]

If you want to be successful in the GCL you better be throwing at least 85-86 with some movement. Anything slower than that is just BP

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

[Voice-of-Reason]

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

AGREED!

[AmericaOne]

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

Xslugger: I hear you are pitching very well also. Good job... You are exactly right....location, change of speed, and being a smart pitcher is much more important than just hitting 80 to 88. Now if you can hit 92+ then it helps but there are very, very few high school pitchers doing that in our city. But you are correct, again look at Cook from Hamilton, throwing in the 90's and landing a 30 million dollar contract when he was a 85-88 guy in high school.

[Xuball11]

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

One of the best posts I've seen on this forum!:clap:

[bpdawg32]

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

I thought your summer team had some very good pitchers, Yourself, Beaver, Frudiger (?SP),Pennington, Burden. Now picking up Mckinney wow you guys should mow through people good luck in school ball and I hope to do some of your games next summer

[RTG34]

I'm just telling you all, I know from first hand experience at the college and high school level that if you aren't throwing 85-86 with movement, you have NO future in Division 1, maybe D2 baseball.

[RTG34]

thats just plain retarded.. a few kids in the city can stay 85-86.. wimmers last year from moeller was only 84-86 and he was dominant. Kyle Mcgreevy from x last year was low to mid 80's and he was one of the top pitchers in the city.. and ryan campbell last year wasnt 85-86 consistently and he had one of the best records of anyone in the city

it gets annoying when people think mid 80's is nothing.. like its the average or something.. if you're a senior throwing mid 80's in high school you're very good.. because the chances are you're gonna mature a lot and pick up velocity in college.

now yes if you want to sit out there and blow it by people you better be bring upper 80's to low 90's.. but if you want to be very successful.. you can do it with a low 80's fastball but you better locate..... i play ball with bryan beaver (threw a 4 hit shutout in the state championship) and he throws probably 81-82 but is filthy because he locates and changes speeds well and is smart as can be... he's un unbelievable pitcher

so stop being stupid and saying you have to throw mid 80's.. i know people that throw that hard that get rocked and i know people that can barely touch 80 and are very good (yea they prolly wont go anywhere, but can still dominate)

it's all about pitching... no matter what conference

Way to prove my point. Who were the best pitchers in the gcl last year? Oltorick,Wimmers,Campbell, Middendorf, Nastold, McGreevy. All of them throw at least 85 with good offspeed.

[Xslugger19]

Way to prove my point. Who were the best pitchers in the gcl last year? Oltorick,Wimmers,Campbell, Middendorf, Nastold, McGreevy. All of them throw at least 85 with good offspeed.

mcgreevy wasn't consistently at 85, neither was campbell, or middendorf. yes they might get it up to 85 once or twice a game.. but that doesnt matter.

people dont understand the concept of how hard people actually throw.. i hear all the time hey he hit 86.. really?.. yea well he did it once over summer... that doesnt mean anything

and yea usually unless you're left-handed you do have to be throwin low to mid 80's to go to a division 1 college... but you originally said that someone would get lit up if they ONLY threw 85 in the GCl

i played with ryan and kyle.. they were both great.. but they probably only 82-85 depending on the day. ryan wasnt throwin 85-86.. he's playing D1 right now at miami

oh and my brother nick was probably 83-85... he played at furman where he beat clemson, south carolina, tennessee, etc.... stop acting like if someone is throwing UNDER 85 they aren't going to be good...

there's three keys to pitching... velocity, location, movement... velocity is the least important

[frznrope]

mcgreevy wasn't consistently at 85, neither was campbell, or middendorf. yes they might get it up to 85 once or twice a game.. but that doesnt matter.

people dont understand the concept of how hard people actually throw.. i hear all the time hey he hit 86.. really?.. yea well he did it once over summer... that doesnt mean anything

and yea usually unless you're left-handed you do have to be throwin low to mid 80's to go to a division 1 college... but you originally said that someone would get lit up if they ONLY threw 85 in the GCl

i played with ryan and kyle.. they were both great.. but they probably only 82-85 depending on the day. ryan wasnt throwin 85-86.. he's playing D1 right now at miami

oh and my brother nick was probably 83-85... he played at furman where he beat clemson, south carolina, tennessee, etc.... stop acting like if someone is throwing UNDER 85 they aren't going to be good...

there's three keys to pitching... velocity, location, movement... velocity is the least important

just curious, xslugger19, how hard do you throw? it sounds like your brother is good, is he still in school?

[Xslugger19]

just curious, xslugger19, how hard do you throw? it sounds like your brother is good, is he still in school?

i was workin 87-88 in the fall and topping out at 89

and yea he was really good but he graduated last year

[marksberry14]

i was workin 87-88 in the fall and topping out at 89

and yea he was really good but he graduated last year


SAme here brah you lefthanded?

[Sports9]

i was workin 87-88 in the fall and topping out at 89

and yea he was really good but he graduated last year

You were what????? That's just like you said " I hear people saying all the time"! If you were throwing that hard and you had your "movement, and location" what happen to you last year when you pitched against Elder?

[Xslugger19]

You were what????? That's just like you said " I hear people saying all the time"! If you were throwing that hard and you had your "movement, and location" what happen to you last year when you pitched against Elder?

haha you questioning me man.. haha well tendonitis for starters... and i wasnt throwing that hard.. i wasnt very good as a sophmore.. i straightened out my mechanics a little bit and began actually working instead of relying on talent.. i saw my brother and how hard he had to work.. so i started to

and see i actually did what i say i do.. if you dont believe me ask bricker or the mariners scout.. otherwise shut your mouth and get off my back

..and i knew if i answered that question id get people like you starting stuff.. yappi's a joke

and right handed marksberry

[Trojanman_11]

i would have to say the same thing happened to me...so i believe you. i threw 81-84 as a sophomore and got tendonitis... this summer when i started throwin again i was at 86-87. this is what i was clocked at during the fall.

and youre right the ones who rely on talent alone will be passed up and not make it very far. you have to work to get what you want.

oh and the mariners scout is Tuffy Horn i believe

[speakintheetruth]

whats your name xslugger

[Crusader11]

Kelley Barnes is gonna be the most clutch pitcher in the city this year. mark my words.

[insdieman]

Kelley Barnes is gonna be the most clutch pitcher in the city this year. mark my words.

Kelley might be good this year but I would not say he will will be clutch this year. He is the 5th best pitcher on the team behind the 4 seniors. He might get 2-4 starts in out of conference games and maybe come in against Elder or X if Williams and Oltorik cannot finish the game. However he won't be the first one out of the pen with Suter and Curtin. Just too much pitching depth for Kelley to get a significant amount of innings.

[Crusader11]

Kelley might be good this year but I would not say he will will be clutch this year. He is the 5th best pitcher on the team behind the 4 seniors. He might get 2-4 starts in out of conference games and maybe come in against Elder or X if Williams and Oltorik cannot finish the game. However he won't be the first one out of the pen with Suter and Curtin. Just too much pitching depth for Kelley to get a significant amount of innings.

the new head coach at Moeller is really likes how Kelley pitches, and I'm sure that if one of the seniors get hurt or something Kelley will get in the rotation in a heartbeat.

[borofan09]

if you can consider springboro as part of cincinnati i think springboros pitching staff can compete eith any in the state with many going division 1 to cont. their careers

[TheKid08]

if you can consider springboro as part of cincinnati i think springboros pitching staff can compete eith any in the state with many going division 1 to cont. their careers

no we consider them dayton.. but they do have 3 very talented pitchers.. hough, bailey, and geyles(not sure about spelling)

[baseballboyy]

i will have to vote for glen este not because its my school but these guys can really play


tyler snoke
charlie chalhoun
chris sunderman
tyler marshall
matt marksberry
brandon fueller
nate holtzclaw
nate brouhmagan
andrew keller
tyler godfrey
andy king

[jus do it]

we should include springboro mainly because dayton will have a down year in high school baseball excluding springboro of course..ghysels bailey and hough, i would rank them first in SWO behind Moeller

[I'mSoHood]

moeller has the best pitching staff in cincinnati bar none
they have a junior class that went a combined 16-3
i think that they are by far the best pitching staff in cincinnati

[stayflyyy22]

i will have to vote for glen este not because its my school but these guys can really play


tyler snoke
charlie chalhoun
chris sunderman
tyler marshall
matt marksberry
brandon fueller
nate holtzclaw
nate brouhmagan
andrew keller
tyler godfrey
andy king

i agree with most of it.

[GCPRO]

xslugger19-i took the liberty of checking the Furman website, it seems that your brother was a mid-week senior pitcher. A spot normally reserved for younger kids on the staff. I do not mean to diminish his contributions to the Paladin staff, yet I didn't see the wins you were referring to against Tenn., South Carolina, etc. Just wondering.

[Xslugger19]

xslugger19-i took the liberty of checking the Furman website, it seems that your brother was a mid-week senior pitcher. A spot normally reserved for younger kids on the staff. I do not mean to diminish his contributions to the Paladin staff, yet I didn't see the wins you were referring to against Tenn., South Carolina, etc. Just wondering.

congrats... now take the liberty to look again

sophmore year after he came back from bicep tendonitis he was moved to the bullpen.. where he continued to become the teams closer... and he closed cames out again Tenn, SC, college of charleston (twice), and clemson. He continued to tie the single season record for saves (after he became the closer halfway through the season). Then he saved 2 of the 3 games against davidson in order for furman to go to the conference tournament.

they were seeded 8th.. the lowest seed. he saved the game again college of who were top 20 then the game georgie southern.. then against elon (top 30) then georgia southern again to become the first 8 seed to win the tourny... named the tourny mvp. also won player of the week twice that season.. oh and the socon wasnt anything to laugh at.. they had the number 8 rpi out of all the baseball conferences. then to the socon first team all-conference

then had labrum suregery after the season cuz his arm was shot. came back junior yr in 7 months when it was suppose to be a 14-16 month rehab... set the single season record for saves while setting the career mark as well. also saves agains clemson, sc twice, and clemson where he was named player of the week again when he went 2 innings and struck out 4... including clemson's all-american. along with furman cracking the top 25 after that win.

senior year same story.. saves against top teams and potw honors

and combined he had the teams best era the last 3 years he played and he holds the teams career saves record

and yes his frosh yr he was a mid week guy.

so before you come off with retarded sh*t again.. make sure you get your facts straight.. aight buddy??

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

That's pretty good for a "mid-week" pitcher. :rolleyes:

[GCPRO]

Oh I was just checking the Furman website because you in an earlier post claimed that he "beat"Tennessee, South Carolina and Clemson. I saw that he had a total of 6 wins in his soph., junior and senior seasons and none of them were against those schools. I did see that he was closing games and getting saves, but I was reading the post as saying he beat those teams. As I stated, pitching against those teams is huge and I actually remember seeing the kid pitch but I was referring to your boasts about "beating" those teams. Sorry if I mis-spoke.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW:
2004- 0-0 W/L 11 appearances 3.70 ERA 24.1 IP 2 starts
2005 2-2 W/L 18 appearances 3.80 ERA 23.2 IP 7 saves including those against South Carolina, Tennesse and College of Charleston(pretty fair baseball club)
2006 1-2 W/L 23 appearances 2.45 ERA 25.2 IP 11 saves including one against Clemson
2007 3-6 W/L 26 appearances 4.23 ERA 44.2 IP 2 starts(mid-week games) 3 saves
Now I didn't see any wins against the schools you mentioned and maybe the website is wrong, he did get a win versus the College of Charleston that was ranked at the time. I also realize you are giving props to your brother and anyone that has success at the DI level is pretty good, just didn't like how you were critical of my response so I thought I had better check my stats. Good luck to the Bombers this season.

[Wolfman1]

Moeller best staff in Southwest Ohio
Two of the top pitchers in Ohio.

Springboro second best
Three D1 pitchers

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

Oh I was just checking the Furman website because you in an earlier post claimed that he "beat"Tennessee, South Carolina and Clemson.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to get a save, don't you have to "beat" the other team (and he wrote "beat" he did not write "recorded wins against")?

Maybe they do things differently in LL?

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

Moeller best staff in Southwest Ohio
Two of the top pitchers in Ohio.

Springboro second best
Three D1 pitchers

Both impressive as are the other staffs mentioned on this thread.

I would have to agree, though, that it would be difficult to better Moeller's combination of quality and quantity (and their hitting and defense can be counted on to do their part as usual).

I'm looking forward to seeing/reading about some of the matchups this Spring. Here's to good health for all these young pitchers!

[GCPRO]

I will try correcting you. Beat, as in a win against a foe. I think they do that at all levels, not just LL. A save, while impressive, is hardly winning(beating) as the pitcher of record. I actually went back and checked again and did not see the 2 saves versus South Carolina. Truly, I must apologize for even getting into the fray. I just read some much junk on here and was just trying to set the record straight. Actually none of my business. I know the Southern Conference is a good bseball conference. The LL stab I don't take much from, I am actually pretty well rounded when it comes to a baseball background. Just that have had kids go through that program. Maybe the more appropriate post would have been that his brother pitched in games that their team defeated those teams. I was wondering if a kid comes in the 7th and gets a tough out in a game that their team wins, no win, no save, would that be a pitcher beating that team. Sorry, I realize it is trivial.

[Wolfman1]

Both impressive as are the other staffs mentioned on this thread.

I would have to agree, though, that it would be difficult to better Moeller's combination of quality and quantity (and their hitting and defense can be counted on to do their part as usual).

I'm looking forward to seeing/reading about some of the matchups this Spring. Here's to good health for all these young pitchers!

No question. Moeller has approximately double the pool of available athletes most public schools can draw on, plus their ability to soft recruit. The depth and talent level are impressive.

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

No question. Moeller has approximately double the pool of available athletes most public schools can draw on, plus their ability to soft recruit. The depth and talent level are impressive.

Agree completely. It's to the point where I assume (although assume isn't really accurate when I know of many of their top-flight pitchers and solid position players) Moeller will be one of the top teams and I just wonder who will be this year's Lakota West or Mason. It looks like Springboro is going to be one of the leading candidates...

[Voice-of-Reason]

No question. Moeller has approximately double the pool of available athletes most public schools can draw on, plus their ability to soft recruit. The depth and talent level are impressive.

Moe definitely has an advantage in the size of their talent pool! They will again be strong this year.

[gogo24]

Moeller best staff in Southwest Ohio
Two of the top pitchers in Ohio.

Springboro second best
Three D1 pitchers

Moeller will probably have three of the top pitchers. Curtin will be right up there. With all the senior talent last year he didn't get to pitch as often as he should have. He pitched a one run game last year against eventual state champ Lakota West and was 3-0 with a 1.77 ERA.

[The Big X]

Agree completely. It's to the point where I assume (although assume isn't really accurate when I know of many of their top-flight pitchers and solid position players) Moeller will be one of the top teams and I just wonder who will be this year's Lakota West or Mason. It looks like Springboro is going to be one of the leading candidates...

How did Moe do in last seasons tournament with 5 D-1 starters? :)

[gogo24]

How did Moe do in last seasons tournament with 5 D-1 starters? :)

In a 1 and out tourney, anything can happen. Ask your football team from last year!!

[AnUnbiasedOpinion]

How did Moe do in last seasons tournament with 5 D-1 starters? :)

As was mentioned, anything can happen in a single game.

But the thread topic is best pitching staff. Who do you think has the best pitching staff? If you disagree with the consensus that it's Moeller, which team(s) do you think have a better staff and why?

I'm still curious about X's pitching staff this year. Earlier in this thread I mentioned Rother and Hollstegge. I find it hard to believe they don't have more than that. If I had to bet, I'd bet that they will be a good staff as always - do they have young guys that will make a statement or are their senior pitchers that have been waiting in the wings and are ready to step up?

[The Big X]

As was mentioned, anything can happen in a single game.

But the thread topic is best pitching staff. Who do you think has the best pitching staff? If you disagree with the consensus that it's Moeller, which team(s) do you think have a better staff and why?

I'm still curious about X's pitching staff this year. Earlier in this thread I mentioned Rother and Hollstegge. I find it hard to believe they don't have more than that. If I had to bet, I'd bet that they will be a good staff as always - do they have young guys that will make a statement or are their senior pitchers that have been waiting in the wings and are ready to step up?

Your right talking about teams is off topic but I was replying to a post that was bringing up teams.

I think based on what D-1 schools look for in pitchers Moeller has potentially the best staff in the city. Springboro also can claim D-1 signees that could pitch for their schools, Lakota West has to be considered based on last years performance of Beaver and Smith and Elder ( Nastold/Ernst) should not be overlooked.

St X - Rother and Holstegge pitched last year. Rother at times looked very good, Holstegge was young last year so it depends on how he develops. Their development will be a key to the team this year as they return some good junior players that were key ingredients to their run in the tournament last season. It seems like St X likes to go with seniors ( Campbell did not have a good junior year and McGreevy didn't pitch at all his junior year). So the question is are there any guys in the IF or OF from last year that have consistently been able to get guys out while spot pitching in summer ball like McGreevy? That could be a kid that steps up to get outs in big games like McGreevy did last season. There are some if you know the players that played last season as juniors. The question is whether they have enough position players to be able to put those kids on the hill without hurting their defense as those pitchers are not dominant types they just get outs. They need defense behind them. D-1 schools would never look at them as pitchers.

[JBaller]

I do hate Moeller a lot, but they do have by far the best staff returning this season. Oltorick has a scary fastball. It's scary because it hits around 90 mph and he sometimes doesn't know where it's going. However, I would call him effectively wild. Williams can make pitches, Curtain is a solid lefty, and Suter is effective out of the bullpen.

insideman, I think your velocities for each pitcher may be a little high. I would say Oltorick tops out around 90, and consistently throws high 80s. Williams probably tops out around 86 or so, and consistently throws low to mid 80s. Curtain and Suter both throw about 80 mph consistently.

Here are some pitchers returning in the GMC who are pretty solid:

Michael Haney, Fairfield - tall righty who throws downhill and has good location on his high 70s fastball.

Eric Maupin, Hamilton - has good stuff in the low 80s and mixes in a nice curve. Has a tendency to leave the ball over the middle of the plate too much.

Brian Beaver, Lakota West - well, he did throw a shutout in the State Championship last year. Also not afraid to make pitches and challenges hitters with a fastball that is around 80 mph.

Nathan Smith, Lakota West - tall lefty who still needs to fill out and will add some more to his fastball once he does. Last year, threw mid 70s and located his hook very well.

Nate Kroell, Sycamore - sidewinder who mixes a high 70s fastball with a filthy slurve-type pitch. Sometimes struggles with his release point in his motion and his control goes awry.

[coach1]

Jballer ...great analysis of the pitching prospects in the area...At least you don't have everybody throwing in the mid to upper 80's.

[GCPRO]

coach1-all the upper 80's guys pitch for the Heat.

[Xslugger19]

GCPRO- i know right? ha

[Trojanman_11]

jballer- last year nathan smith probably did throw mid 70's but this summer he gained velocity as he was the 16u ohio heat go to guy. i'm sayin he was probably low 80's this summer. look for him to throw even harder in the spring making west even tougher.

[Honest Opinion]

I played fall ball with Mike Haney this fall and his fastball has gotten faster. He is throwin low 80's consistant and still, location is his strong point. i think he will lead Fairfield this year on the staff and do a fine job in helping them both in pitching and hitting, ((made all star game for 3rd)) this season.

Also, Maupin from Hamilton will have a solid year. He was Hamiltons #2 last season and this will be his year to be the big dog. Watch him to post good numbers this year for the big blue.

But, when it comes down to the best pitching staff in the area, which this thread is about, is too hard NOT to say Moeller isn't the best. They are the best, period. I'm an Elder fan myself, but you can't look at the depth of Moeller and say anyone else is better than them.

The best team, pitching wise, in the GMC would be Colrain in my opinion. Fairfield, although they have a lot of pitchers returning in their rotation, don't have pitchers that come to play every game. Most their staff is streaky with the exception of Haney. Pritchard, the lefty, is either on or off, and Johnson, just isnt experienced enough to be put in in the big games yet. Both are great kids, just need to work on consistancy and get experience and only time will tell how they pan out.

[IMO]

i will have to vote for glen este not because its my school but these guys can really play


tyler snoke
charlie chalhoun
chris sunderman
tyler marshall
matt marksberry
brandon fueller
nate holtzclaw
nate brouhmagan
andrew keller
tyler godfrey
andy king

I agree with most of this, but two players have not even seen varsity time, and two others are posistion players who i HIGHLY doubt will see a few, if any innings.
Snoke, Calhoun, Marksberry, and Fuller should do a pretty good job at starting this year. Holtzclaw came on strong when brought up last year, and Marshall was solid. Sunderman has come along way and did very well over the summer and is working hard, so it should be intresting to see how well he will do. With the number of pitchers GE has, it would be a waste to bring in Keller and Bromagen (neither of whom are pitcher "first" anyways, as the others are). I dont see Godfrey or King getting significant innings this year (if they are even on varsity), but should contribute a lot their senior years.

[IMO]

Moe, Elder, and St. X also have some of the top pitchers in the city, and should be considered as well.

[baseballboyy]

What exactly does Glen Este have that Moeller doesn't? They may have a deep staff but who really cares? All you need is two pitchers in the tournament. Quality over quantity any day of the week.

2 pitchers ?
unless you have 2 guys that go 7 innings everytime they step on the mound, you need more than 2 pitchers especially during the tourney. not to mention the possiblilty of sore arms

im not dissing moeller, im just saying you need more than 2 pitchers in the tourney

[AmericaOne]

2 pitchers ?
unless you have 2 guys that go 7 innings everytime they step on the mound, you need more than 2 pitchers especially during the tourney. not to mention the possiblilty of sore arms

im not dissing moeller, im just saying you need more than 2 pitchers in the tourney

Moeller has another two quality pitchers in Brent Suter a 6'4" lefty who has great stuff and a full ride to Harvard and Pat Curtin a 6'1" lefty with a strong arm and both did well in 2007. Suter would be the ace on most High School pitching staffs.

[GCPRO]

A full ride to Harvard? Academic I would guess, must be an intelliegent young man. I don't think Ivy league schools offered athletic aid.

baseballboyy-In Moeller's most recent state title, Andrew Brackman and Eric Surkamp pitched every inning in their tournament run. Two other seniors on that squad-Ben Hunter, first at Furman, then on to Wake Forest and Dan Remonowsky of Otterbein College, 1st team all-american didn't pitch. The talent that Moeller gets and developes is quite impressive.

[Voice-of-Reason]

A full ride to Harvard? Academic I would guess, must be an intelliegent young man. I don't think Ivy league schools offered athletic aid.

baseballboyy-In Moeller's most recent state title, Andrew Brackman and Eric Surkamp pitched every inning in their tournament run. Two other seniors on that squad-Ben Hunter, first at Furman, then on to Wake Forest and Dan Remonowsky of Otterbein College, 1st team all-american didn't pitch. The talent that Moeller gets and developes is quite impressive.



Question...

What is the recruiting budget at Moeller?? lol

they have had some great pitching over the years.

[gogo24]

Moeller has another two quality pitchers in Brent Suter a 6'4" lefty who has great stuff and a full ride to Harvard and Pat Curtin a 6'1" lefty with a strong arm and both did well in 2007. Suter would be the ace on most High School pitching staffs.

Curtin may also be the ace on most staffs as well.

[TheKid08]

I do hate Moeller a lot, but they do have by far the best staff returning this season. Oltorick has a scary fastball. It's scary because it hits around 90 mph and he sometimes doesn't know where it's going. However, I would call him effectively wild. Williams can make pitches, Curtain is a solid lefty, and Suter is effective out of the bullpen.

insideman, I think your velocities for each pitcher may be a little high. I would say Oltorick tops out around 90, and consistently throws high 80s. Williams probably tops out around 86 or so, and consistently throws low to mid 80s. Curtain and Suter both throw about 80 mph consistently.

Here are some pitchers returning in the GMC who are pretty solid:

Michael Haney, Fairfield - tall righty who throws downhill and has good location on his high 70s fastball.

Eric Maupin, Hamilton - has good stuff in the low 80s and mixes in a nice curve. Has a tendency to leave the ball over the middle of the plate too much.

Brian Beaver, Lakota West - well, he did throw a shutout in the State Championship last year. Also not afraid to make pitches and challenges hitters with a fastball that is around 80 mph.

Nathan Smith, Lakota West - tall lefty who still needs to fill out and will add some more to his fastball once he does. Last year, threw mid 70s and located his hook very well.

Nate Kroell, Sycamore - sidewinder who mixes a high 70s fastball with a filthy slurve-type pitch. Sometimes struggles with his release point in his motion and his control goes awry.

oak hills isnt on the list but kyle raleight is a very good LHP and he will be one of the top pitchers in the city this year.. has improved a lot since last year, also has grown, he's 6-4 and weighs 200+ lbs

[AmericaOne]

Curtin may also be the ace on most staffs as well.



Agreed Curtin and Suter are both top level pitchers. I have just seen Suter more but I hear that Curtin is also very nice and can not wait to see him also. I like them both, obviously since both will play this summer for the Ohio Heat..and they will both do quite well this summer..

[AmericaOne]

A full ride to Harvard? Academic I would guess, must be an intelliegent young man. I don't think Ivy league schools offered athletic aid.

baseballboyy-In Moeller's most recent state title, Andrew Brackman and Eric Surkamp pitched every inning in their tournament run. Two other seniors on that squad-Ben Hunter, first at Furman, then on to Wake Forest and Dan Remonowsky of Otterbein College, 1st team all-american didn't pitch. The talent that Moeller gets and developes is quite impressive.

GCPRO: How about the TOP of his class at Moeller. Valedictorian of the 2008 class. A lefty who has a great presence on the mound at 6'4". He also is a nice outfielder who can hit the ball... Believe me he will be pitching for Harvard, which is an amazing accomplishment. The coach there loves him and scouted him in Florida this fall.

Tuesday, December 04, 2007
Moeller baseball commitment

Brent Suter of Moeller has committed to play baseball at Harvard, Moeller coach Tim Held said today.

Suter, ranked No. 1 in his class, will play baseball for coach Joe Walsh at Harvard. Suter is a left-handed pitcher/outfielder/first baseman. As a junior he was 1-0 in nine innings pitched over five games and hit .714 in 13 games played.

Suter is also a four-year member of the Crusader basketball program, a member of National Honor Society and a school vice captain, Held said.

Oltorik and Williams get most of the innings, Curtin had 23.33 in. and was 3-0 with a 1.77 ERA. He also hit well.

[GCPRO]

A1-that is an outstanding accomplishment for the young man, congratulations to him. An Ivy League education and competing in baseball has to be an incredible experience.
I was just commenting in regard to the "full ride". Ivy League schools do not offer athletic aid. A Moeller and Harvard education is top notch. Good luck to the young man.

[AmericaOne]

A1-that is an outstanding accomplishment for the young man, congratulations to him. An Ivy League education and competing in baseball has to be an incredible experience.
I was just commenting in regard to the "full ride". Ivy League schools do not offer athletic aid. A Moeller and Harvard education is top notch. Good luck to the young man.

GCPRO: Thanks. He is a Great young man.. We are all proud of him.

[GCPRO]

A1-my son recently attended a tryout for one of the younger Heat teams. Didn't make the team but was thankful for the oppurtunity. Nice little indoor facility they have as well. Can that facility be rented out for other teams?

[AmericaOne]

A1-my son recently attended a tryout for one of the younger Heat teams. Didn't make the team but was thankful for the oppurtunity. Nice little indoor facility they have as well. Can that facility be rented out for other teams?

GCPRO: Yes the facility can be rented out PM me and I will give you the number of who you can call. How old is your son and what age did he try out for? I know our 13's are pretty much full they added Cotcamp, Richards, Green and Nichting this year. They should be a very nice 13U team.

[GCPRO]

A1-I don't think I'm computer literate enough to PM someone on here. My son is 11 and he is no way comparable to any of those kids nor any of the wsll kids that made that team. He will be alright, lots of development goes on between the ages of 11 and 18. Not a biggie, just looking for some indoor workout space.

[Vox Crusada]

A1-I don't think I'm computer literate enough to PM someone on here. To PM someone, just click on his name on a post and then click "Send a Private Message to screen name".

[AmericaOne]

A1-I don't think I'm computer literate enough to PM someone on here. My son is 11 and he is no way comparable to any of those kids nor any of the wsll kids that made that team. He will be alright, lots of development goes on between the ages of 11 and 18. Not a biggie, just looking for some indoor workout space.

GCPRO:

Just give Mark Jones a call for space at the Ohio Heat Facility on Standen, accross from Fairfield Senior High School. The number 532-6298. By the way I heard your son was a nice player but there was a numbers problem and he could only play part time. If you just need time for you and your son we have a smaller facility on Pleasant at the Carpet Discounters owned by Ron Hawn and the Ohio Heat. Let me know if you are interested in that. It is a pitching and hitting area, where Leon "Bull" Durham works out of.

[hehateme2911]

Ive been criticized for this before, but I'm telling you, a sophomore at X named Tommy White. 6'4, long body, amazing stuff. Threw 2 no hitters as s freshman last year.....it will be intresting to see if he gets the call

[WoodyHayes]

Any pro prospects? I called a scrimmage Saturday in Henderson Texas and they have a 16 year old already getting looked at by the "bigs" He was a flamethrower and just downright nasty. The kids from the other dugout were laughing at how "sick" this kids stuff was. I am getting this kid to sign a ball before this year is over. I was just wondering if you had any of these type players in Cinci this year.

As a sidenote, tell your catchers how to properly recieve a pitch. When I am back there, and the catcher is slapping at the ball with the mitt or jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof, that does not bode well for the pitcher. Watching the teams, not enough coaching actually goes in to teaching catchers how to properly play the position and recieve the ball.

[insdieman]

Any pro prospects? I called a scrimmage Saturday in Henderson Texas and they have a 16 year old already getting looked at by the "bigs" He was a flamethrower and just downright nasty. The kids from the other dugout were laughing at how "sick" this kids stuff was. I am getting this kid to sign a ball before this year is over. I was just wondering if you had any of these type players in Cinci this year.

Well I think that the SW Ohio area has a number of players who could get drafted this year. You have Dorian West (OF)from Princeton, TJ Jones (SS) from LaSalle, Mike Nastold (RHP) from Elder, and Ross Oltorik (RHP) and Greg Williams (LHP) from Moeller, and even though he is not from Cincy but close Mike Kindel (OF) from Springboro. I know that all of these players have been getting a lot of letters and questionaires from clubs, so I would say these are the players most likely to get drafted from the SW Ohio region.

[JBaller]

Nastold will get drafted for sure, his stuff is too good for a MLB club to pass up in the first 10 rounds. Everybody else is a toss-up because they are already college committments, so I would say one more player will get drafted tops. Remember, a very talented 07 class saw zero players drafted.

[JBaller]

oak hills isnt on the list but kyle raleight is a very good LHP and he will be one of the top pitchers in the city this year.. has improved a lot since last year, also has grown, he's 6-4 and weighs 200+ lbs

He better have improved a lot, because when I saw Oak Hills play a few games last year, outside of Hunterman, their pitching was downright terrible. They only won games because they hit the living heck out of the ball, which they will probably do again this year.

[TheKid08]

raleigh has developed 2 more pitches and is throwing 3-5 mph faster than last year.. he's 6-4 205 lbs, he's grown a lot since last year

[Xslugger19]

Nastold will get drafted for sure, his stuff is too good for a MLB club to pass up in the first 10 rounds. Everybody else is a toss-up because they are already college committments, so I would say one more player will get drafted tops. Remember, a very talented 07 class saw zero players drafted.

greg williams and ross oltorik worked out for the yankees i think in the last month.. and williams was toppin out at 91... so he definitely has a better chance than nastold at getting drafted. any lefty throwin low 90's is on the radar before a righty throwin low 90's

[bitzy03]

There's nothing wrong with being a junk-ball pitcher as opposed to throwing hard. Sure, being a dominant pitcher usually means hitting mid-80s but there are plenty of successful players who can't hit 80 and still get the job done.

[gogo24]

greg williams and ross oltorik worked out for the yankees i think in the last month.. and williams was toppin out at 91... so he definitely has a better chance than nastold at getting drafted. any lefty throwin low 90's is on the radar before a righty throwin low 90's

Williams doesn't throw 91 consistantly. He may have hit 91 once or twice but he is a mid to high 80's pitcher. Don't get me wrong...that is still good but he is not as hard a thrower as Oltorik on a consistant basis.

[insdieman]

Williams doesn't throw 91 consistantly. He may have hit 91 once or twice but he is a mid to high 80's pitcher. Don't get me wrong...that is still good but he is not as hard a thrower as Oltorik on a consistant basis.

Even though Williams has hit 91 he still needs to realize that is not his game and does not need to be throwing for the gun this year. Last year he was very successful hitting his spots and throwing that nasty change-up and he needs to do the same things. He can't end up like Oltorik just throwing for the gun and end up getting shelled because he can't hit a spot.

[24cats24]

i noticed 4 the mason pitching staff you didnt mention jordan besecker is he any good and how hard does he throw