Lockland Panthers

[Eezy as 123]

I was just wondering, is Lockland "on the map" by all means? I am a huge Lockland basketball fan, and would love to see Lockland become a basketball type school, and be a threat every year. Has Locklands' 64-10 overall record (including playoffs) for the past 3 years, made any mark for good players and coaches to want to come and play for them? Just a thought I was wondering. And if not, what do you think that any school would have to do to really put themselves "on the map"?

[111411]

The mark of a good basketball program, or for that matter, any sports program, is consistancy over a long period of time.

Beside consistancy, a good youth program/feeder system so that instead of players, "wanting to come play for them," kids in the community want to grow up to be just like those that they have seen take the floor.

[mayson]

Lockland is going to be good for the time being at least...with Andrews who is a good coach but he also has a reputation to bring in some players...which at Lockland, is legal since it is open enrollment...with that said, they should be good for awhile with that rule...

[crusader3]

Unless they get two more players to come in, they will not be good next year!

[Luv Da Game]

Crusader, I agree, with Harris and Olgetree leaving it appears that lockland maybe headed to the cellar for a while. Their younger levels of basketball (JV,Freshman) were not that strong this year. If they don't get some kids to enroll it maybe tough for a couple of years

[cintihssportsfanatic]

Hard for D4 school to be a place will kids will want to come. Nobody wants to play D4 if you can play. Forget the OJ story - that was a once in a lifetime thing for a small school like NCH. Lockland will be good enough to win a lot of games. Andrews will get some good athletes, and at D4, he won't be outcoached every game like at Princeton.

[mayson]

Lockland will get some players from somewhere...kids from Princeton or other division one schools where the kids might not play a lot, but at a school in d4 they can be good players....

[Eezy as 123]

Great point fellas. All Lockland needs is two quality shooters, and they will be a threat once again. Although I also heard that 6'7" Antoine Wilhite will leave the school next year and maybe play at NCH. Because Wilhite was born and raised in NCH, and also played with Mayo and Walker in his freshman year. Thomas Smith (who came in from Princeton this season), also might go back to Princeton next season. If both of those things happen, Lockland will be nothing next year. But Wilhite said that if Andrews stays, he's staying, which will probably make Thomas want to stay also. Who knows? Only time will tell.

ANTOINE & THOMAS, STAY AT LOCKLAND! WE NEED YOU!

[crusader3]

Yes, from what I have heard as well, Wilhite and Smith may be leaving. They really won't have anyone but them, even if they stay. I have heard a few schools as possible transfer spot for them.. NCH, Princeton, Wyoming.

[trueballer01]

Are you guys kidding? Kids transfering in high school basketball is worse than free agency, what about the academics?

[mayson]

I would be surprised if wilhite went back to NCH...he is just another club in the bag if he goes there...

[CHLdominance04]

i say Wilhite to Reading

[mayson]

It's possible, Reading has a track record...

I think Wilhite stays at Lockland or goes to North College Hill Community College

[crusader3]

I believe Wilhite's father lives in Wyoming... I can't see him going to reading. But I think if he does leave Lockland, he will either go to NCH or Wyoming.

[Eezy as 123]

Wilhite more than likely will not go to Reading next year. And, Wilhite's guradians live in Lockland. So therefore I'm thinking he will stay with Lockland, or if he's hungry for a state championship, go to NCH. Because he has been in a position to win state for two straight years now (04-05 Lockland Elite Eight, 05-06 Lockland Final Four and lost to South Webster by three points, who went on to win the state championship). And being that close to winning a championship twice in a row like that, would make anyone "hungry" for the title. He could only go to Reading or Wyoming if he lived in those towns. And he does live in Lockland.
And yes I do enjoy high school transfers. They keep it fun, "don't know what will happen next" kind of feeling.
I've talked to Wilhite's guardian, and he says that Wilhite don't know if he's going to Lockland next year or not. "The reserve team doesn't look good at all for next season, and if he (Wilhite) can't bring nobody over from NCH, he might be going to NCH for his senior year. And if Andrews (head coach) can't bring no one from Princeton" said Wilhite's guardian.
But only time will tell.

!!!STAY AT LOCKLAND ANTOINE WILHITE & THOMAS SMITH! WE NEED YOU GUYS!!!

[mayson]

Transfers are ruining high school sports.

[Eezy as 123]

I've just got word that Wilhite is 80% sure he'll be back at Lockland next season. He also is trying to get a friend of his from Northwest High School to join him and the Panthers next year. I don't know his name, but, I heard he was 6'8". And also that, Thomas Smith will be there next year too.

[crusader3]

Interesting that you say that, because I have heard it is a done deal that at least Smith is gone.

BTW, Wilhite's father lives in Wyoming, so he would not have to move into Wyoming, if his father gets guardianship, he could go to Wyoming.

However, I do think Wilhite will stay at Lockland, I just don't think it is a good move for him.

[Eezy as 123]

Well my reference wasn't that good. The person I talked to was Wilhite's little brother, who is around 11yo. But I highly doubt he'll go to Wyoming, because he said that its going to be either Lockland or NCH.
And I also checked the roster out for Northwest, and the tallest guy on thier team was 6'5" 248lbs.(Will Smith - Junior). They didn't have any stats on him, so who knows if hes any good or not. And hey, Crusader, have you heard anything on coach Andrews? I'm wondering if he's going to stay for next year or not.

[crusader3]

Doesn't make sense to me though... If he stays at Lockland he has 0 shot of winning a state title. If he goes to NCH he will win a state title, but may not play that much if Pogue ends up there. At Wyoming, he would have a shot at a state title, and would be an every minute guy...

[mayson]

What it should be is...he is going to stay at the school he had gone to all along and play with kids he has played with through high school and junior high and try to win it the right way instead of checking options...this IS NOT college basketball....Wyoming will be good, but for a team that didn't win the sectional to say that they have a shot at the d2 title is a little bit of a reach...(even with Wilhite)...at NCH he would just be another kid who has talent, but doesn't matter....at Lockland they can still win the district in d4....

J

[crusader3]

Wyoming will be good, but for a team that didn't win the sectional to say that they have a shot at the d2 title is a little bit of a reach...(even with Wilhite)...at NCH he would just be another kid who has talent, but doesn't matter....at Lockland they can still win the district in d4....

J
It is not a bit of reach to say that Wyoming has a chance. They are a top 10, most likely top 5 team in the state this year according to most people. Just because you lose to a good team in the sectionals, doesn't mean that you won't be good the following year when almost everyone returns. Moeller lost this year in the second round, but with what they have returning they will be a big time state contender next year in most people's opinion.

I do agree though that kids need to play where they are brought up... but unfortunately, he has already not done that...

[NKUnorse23]

Wilhite has gotta be loving the hype and attention he is getting on here.

[thsmustang06]

Question is Lockland a public school or private school? I have not heard of them till i was down at Columbus for the State Championships

[crusader3]

Lockland is a public school between Wyoming HS and Reading HS.

[thsmustang06]

ok thanks a lot for the info crusader

[Eezy as 123]

I highly disagree with the whole "Wyoming will be a state contender next year". Wyoming wasn't even that good to begin with. All they did was shoot threes when they barely beat Lockland(Div.4). Woodward beat them, and Woodward wasn't even good. Lockland smashed on Woodward. And the only way Wyoming beat Lockland was, 3 of the 5 starters from Lockland fouled out in the 4th quarter. And the game went into double OT. Wilhite has a waaaayyyy better chance at state in Lockland than Wyoming. Especially since Woodward keeps most of their players. AND ALSO AKRON ST. VINCENT ST. MARY IS DIV.2 AND SO IS TAFT & DAYTON DUNBAR!!! WYOMING'S CHANCES ARE SLIM TO NONE, FOREVER, if you'd ask me. There's no way Wyoming could beat Dayton Dunbar, Akron SVSM, or Taft, AT ALL! They have no athletics.

But, we're off topic here. Wilhite is more than likely staying at Lockland next year. And hopefully bring his friend(s) from Northwest & NCH. And hopefully, so will Andrews.

And yes, Lockland is a public school, with open enrollment. Meaning that anybody that lives in Cincinnati, can go there and even play any sport, without having to live in Locklands' school district.

[crusader3]

This shows me that I am talking to someone who doesn't know anything about anything. Wyoming hit 10 threes (Weiss hit 5, Horn hit 5). Yet Wetzel had 17 points and Shoecraft had 20 points, without hitting any threes. Yet Thomas Smith hit 9 threes in that game alone for Lockland. Harris and Wilhite both had under 15 in that game. But you are right the only reason Wyoming won was because they were hitting 3's... and the only reason Lockland didn't get blown out was because Smith was on fire...

Secondly, you are right 3 of the 5 starters did foul out for Lockland, but that is what happens when you foul Wetzel every time he touches the ball... it isn't their fault you couldn't guard him without fouling.

Wyoming pounded Taft in the final preseason scrimmage. And although it was a scrimmage, the regular players played 4 full quarters, and the game was officiated. Wyoming won that by 14 points. Hate to say it but Wyoming could have, and would have beaten Taft last year. ASVSM didn't impress me at all. They had one player and that was it. They wouldn't even have been a top 3 team in SWO last year. Dunbar was the state champ, and I don't think Wyoming had much of a chance to beat them anyway.. they were that good. Woodward was much improved at the end of the year last year. They had A TON of size and did manage to beat McNick and CJ after they beat Wyoming. Wyoming's big hit came when Weiss got injured late in the season. They never could get back to form after that.

BTW, these are not just my thoughts... check out prepspotlight's website. He has been putting out player and team rankings for a good amount of time now. He has next years top 5 in D2 as:
1. Col. DeSales
2. Cincinnati Woodward
3. Dayton Dunbar
4. Tipp City
5. Wyoming

Lockland had one of the worst JV teams in the city last year, add that to the loss of Dujuan and Mack and they will be no better than .500 next year!

[Eezy as 123]

Good point. And I appreciate your comments without getting immature and start stabbing at me (like a lot of people do). Yes Lockland will be well under
.500 next year if Smith and Wilhite leave. And its true of what you say about Wyoming this year, but I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about next year. Wyoming more than likely will not be as good as they were this year. And if they even were, Dayton Dunbar, Taft, Akron SVSM, and Woodward will be as good as they were this year (possibly, taking in consideration that they always get good players every year). And maybe even possibly another or a couple of other teams will be great next year. I think Wyoming will be Regional Semi-Finalists next year (at the most). I can't say nothing about Lockland yet though. Not until I know who will be there next season.

Once again, thanks for your comments even through out this subject.

[crusader3]

And if they even were, Dayton Dunbar, Taft, Akron SVSM, and Woodward will be as good as they were this year (possibly, taking in consideration that they always get good players every year).

Once again, thanks for your comments even through out this subject.

I would definately have to disagree with your statement about Taft. Leaving this year are 4 of the 5 starters. They lose:
PG Eddie Gray(5'7) -13.9ppg. 4.7rpg
SG/SF Heath White(6'3) -21.8 ppg, 8.2rpg
F Brandon Russ(6'8) -9.9ppg, 9.7 rpg
F Tyrone Bradshaw(6'8) -6.7ppg, 9.2rpg

So in total they lose about 52 points and 32 rebounds per game.

The only players with any ability are Torbert and Revels... but he can rarely keep his head right. COMBINED they averaged about 11 ppg, 8 rpg.

Dunbar loses Pogue so they won't be as good as they were. They will still be good though. Woodward loses 6'11 Orlando Allen and 6'1 Donivan Mosely... who were both big contributers to their run in the tourney. They do still have their 3 best players though in Bettis, Long, and Grimes. But so does Wyoming with Edgington, Shoecraft, and Wetzel.

[HoopHound]

...Dunbar loses Pogue so they won't be as good as they were. ....

Is that a DONE DEAL, c3??

I thought it was only a rumor?

[crusader3]

I meant to say Cook, that was my bad... but I guess my post still makes sense since Pogue is looking to leave...

[HoopHound]

I meant to say Cook, that was my bad... but I guess my post still makes sense since Pogue is looking to leave...

WHY???

With Cook gone, Pogue becomes "B.M.O.C."...

Out of Cook's shadow he'd likely get the "state-wide" attention that he deserves and Dunbar's program has the ability to "draw".

I thought Pogue was absolutely one of the top 5 players I saw at state tournament this past year. Big body, great footwork, fantastic hands... just SOLID fundamentals!!

Can you tell I was impressed?? :)

I just can't fathom why he'd want to move at this point?!?!?!! :confused:

[Eezy as 123]

I was recently down at Gardner park (in lockland), where there were 2 games going on down there (baseball and softball). And I was playing basketball with one of my friends, and Antoine Wilhite, DaJuan Harris, Mack Ogletree, Sheldon Johnson, Seth Morris, and Demarco Dawkins were all down there watching the games. I thought for sure I could talk to Wilhite and find something out, but then (of course) i had to go pick up someone from work before i could even have a chance to talk to him. Grrr....maybe next time.

[crusader3]

He isn't going to tell you the truth most of the time. People say what you want to hear. If you are a Lockland student, he may say he will be staying, if you are an NCH fan, he may say he is transferring.

[Eezy as 123]

That might be true, however, I don't think he would lie, he just doesn't seem like that kind of person. I know his guardian, and he's still saying that he's 75% sure he's staying at Lockland (especially since OJ might be gone). Now in Thomas Smith's position, I have no clue. But I do know Smith came from Princeton to Lockland last season, just as well as coach Andrews. And if Andrews stays at Princeton (he's a teacher there), and tells Smith that the team has another shot at the state title, he probably will come back (if he has already decided to leave Lockland).

And with the whole "OJ thing", if OJ leaves, or isn't allowed to play for NCH, a few players might not want to play for NCH then. And Wilhite grew up in NCH, and has played for NCH his freshman year, and also knows a lot of people from NCH. That leads back to the post I posted a while back, that Wilhite is trying to get some people from NCH to come down to Lockland next year (not to mention, Wilhites' friend from Northwest possibly coming down next year). And since Andrews is a teacher at Princeton, he will probably bring some more players down, too (like he did with Thomas Smith). Hopefully!

And hey, Crusader3, what website to you get all your stats from? My source has not been faithful for Locklands' last season. They have nothing for Lockland. I like to keep track of players year by year.

[NKUnorse23]

I highly doubt OJ would come to lockland eezy, nothing against lockland but it just doesn't seem likely. now i do see some players coming over from nch if oj leaves..that part i can really see. i thought about it the other day. nch and lockland both have a simliar style of school, background, etc. (im not being racist just stating a fact)

[Eezy as 123]

Yes, I absolutely agree with you. But, since OJ, Bill, and Keenan all stated that they all will be back at NCH for their 3rd straight state title, them coming to Lockland will not be an option. But you still can't count on Wilhite not being able to bring some people over from there. Because who knows who he knows? Lockland winning a state championship, will depend on Wilhite and Andrews "recruiting" players. That's the only way.

[111411]

"Recruiting" players is against OHSAA by-laws.

Call me old-fashioned, but what ever happened to bringing players through the system? :Ohno: If you had a strong class or classes coming up, you knew you'd be strong. If you didn't, well, you'd really have to "coach 'em up."

[NKUnorse23]

i agree but times have changed in high school ball..most of it i feel is for the worst:Ohno:
and eezy dont worry, wilhite is a MAJOR attraction for surrounding schools. u put 4 good guys around him and you may be talking a state title depending on how the team flows together and what kind of coaching job andrews does.. last i heard kids were interested transfering to lockland from schools such as princeton (obviously), nch, reading, f-town, etc.....

[NKUnorse23]

and this open enrollment makes me wonder why all schools dont go to it lol

[111411]

Does anyone remember a D4 school a year ago? What was their name? :confused:

[Eezy as 123]

Everyone I have talked to, has heard about Lockland for the past 3 years, 111411

[111411]

Everyone I have talked to, has heard about Lockland for the past 3 years, 111411

I was speaking of Columbus Africentric from last year (2005), eezy. They had a little "advantage."

[Eezy as 123]

Oh, I remember them. Sorry, I didn't really know what you meant.

[HoopHound]

I was speaking of Columbus Africentric from last year (2005), eezy. They had a little "advantage."

I remember THEM, Ones...

The school that didn't want to give their ill-gotten trophy back, then conveniently "lost" it before handing it back via a radio station. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

THAT was BIZARRE... and VERY funny at the same time!! :)

[Eezy as 123]

Well I think I came to a conclusion about Wilhite staying or leaving. Actually, my wife is the one who pointed this out to me. OJ, Bill, and Keenan all three didn't play at the same time on their AAU team, because its a rule that if 3 players from the same team, play the same game, then someone wouldn't be able to play for NCH next season. So what does that mean? It means Aaron Pogue will not be at NCH next year, and it almost guarentees that Wilhite will stay at Lockland. Because I watched the D-1 Greyhounds face Triple Threat, and OJ, Bill, Pogue, and Wilhite all played. So if Wilhite leaves, he won't be going to NCH. And that proves that Keenan will probably be at NCH next year too.

[HoopHound]

Well I think I came to a conclusion about Wilhite staying or leaving. Actually, my wife is the one who pointed this out to me. OJ, Bill, and Keenan all three didn't play at the same time on their AAU team, because its a rule that if 3 players from the same team, play the same game, then someone wouldn't be able to play for NCH next season. So what does that mean? It means Aaron Pogue will not be at NCH next year, and it almost guarentees that Wilhite will stay at Lockland. Because I watched the D-1 Greyhounds face Triple Threat, and OJ, Bill, Pogue, and Wilhite all played. So if Wilhite leaves, he won't be going to NCH. And that proves that Keenan will probably be at NCH next year too.

I hate to burst your bubble, eezy... but what you watched last weekend has NOTHING to do with which players play where next HS basketball season. The "HS of record" for these AAU players is the school they're attending at present. Until they begin classes next fall (or officially register), they're still considered students of the school they attended during the 2005-2006 school year.

I'm almost CERTAIN that the "rules" would be interpreted that way.

That being said... I truly hope these guys STAY at their schools. All the "flip-flopping from school to school is taking HS basketball to areas that it doesn't belong.

[crusader3]

Hoop, I was thinking the same thing you were. Just because Pogue and Wilhite were playing with OJ and Bill, it doesn't mean they can't transfer to NCH. Didn't OJ, Bill, and Keenan play on the same AAU team their freshman year, then Keenan came to NCH to play the year following.

[HoopHound]

...Didn't OJ, Bill, and Keenan play on the same AAU team their freshman year, then Keenan came to NCH to play the year following.

I really don't recall.

Also (here's where the OHSAA/AAU rules get even "murkier"), I recall hearing during the telecast of the game on Sunday, that the "two players from a school" rule is ONLY in effect WHILE school is "in session". Once school "is out", the rule CHANGES to "three players from a school".

Now... before ANYBODY jumps... I really had NEVER heard that before, and I'm not even 100% certain I even heard that right OR the announcer HAD that right!!

I wouldn't "bet the farm" on it, but I'm almost CERTAIN that's what I heard the announcer state. :shrug:

[A2theN]

That might be true, however, I don't think he would lie, he just doesn't seem like that kind of person. I know his guardian, and he's still saying that he's 75% sure he's staying at Lockland (especially since OJ might be gone). Now in Thomas Smith's position, I have no clue. But I do know Smith came from Princeton to Lockland last season, just as well as coach Andrews. And if Andrews stays at Princeton (he's a teacher there), and tells Smith that the team has another shot at the state title, he probably will come back (if he has already decided to leave Lockland).

And with the whole "OJ thing", if OJ leaves, or isn't allowed to play for NCH, a few players might not want to play for NCH then. And Wilhite grew up in NCH, and has played for NCH his freshman year, and also knows a lot of people from NCH. That leads back to the post I posted a while back, that Wilhite is trying to get some people from NCH to come down to Lockland next year (not to mention, Wilhites' friend from Northwest possibly coming down next year). And since Andrews is a teacher at Princeton, he will probably bring some more players down, too (like he did with Thomas Smith). Hopefully!

And hey, Crusader3, what website to you get all your stats from? My source has not been faithful for Locklands' last season. They have nothing for Lockland. I like to keep track of players year by year.
yea i heard deantray stevens the point guard from princeton (thomas smiths aau teammate and good friend) is transfering from princeton to lockland to play next year

[Eezy as 123]

Sorry hound, I guess I wasn't thinking straight. That makes sense. I guess I was thinking that they couldn't play for the AAU team after their last season in HS.

And thanks for the information A2theN. Is this Stevens guy any good? Keep me updated on what you hear about Lockland. Just post it in this post.

Crusader, you still haven't told me what website you get all your stats from. I can't find any stats on Lockland for this year.

[HoopHound]

Sorry hound, I guess I was thinking straight. That makes sense. I guess I was thinking that they couldn't play for the AAU team after their last season in HS. ....[/B]

No need for an apology eezy...

You practically have to hire a lawyer to understand even 10% of their crazy rules. I just wish these kids would "stay home" and quit the carpet-bagger stuff.

THAT is the bottom line of this entire thread.

[A2theN]

Stevens was the starting pg for princeton this year... he took the pg role and took them 20-4.. hes a great distributer 3rd in assists last year in the GMC... he isn't a major scorer every night but he can put the ball in the hole when he needs to scoring 20 points in a couple of games last year including once against Dews and East... He led the GMC in steals on the year with 53 him and thomas are the starting guards for their aau team and play very well together considering they have been good friends and played since thomas was at princeton.. but word is that thomas has talked deantray into comin over to join him at princeton next year. and with thomas being the only returning guard these 2 should be a solid back court along with wilhite to build a team around.

[crusader3]

That would make Lockland better if Stevens does come over. That would give you a good PG (Stevens), good shooter at the 2 (Smith), and dominant post player (Wilhite).

eezy, if you are talking about personal stats and things like that, I get them from a number of different places...
gclsports.com
gmcsports.com
favcsports.com
gwocsports.com
cincinnati.com/preps

[A2theN]

has anyone else seen stevens play other than me? i saw him 2 times last year.. i saw him at the flyin to the hoop and i saw him against hughes hs in the cintas before the taft nch game.. he possibly has the smoothest handles after OJ in the entire cincinnati area.. his shot is alright.. but he has great defense and great court vision.. him and thomas both play aau for the xba elite. along with vince cook from lakota west.

[Eezy as 123]

I haven't even heard of Stevens. But I'm not saying he isn't good by all means. If he was a dominate PG on the Div.1 level, he very well might become the best PG for a Div.4 team in Ohio. The only thing I'm a little worried about is, both Thomas Smith and DeAntray Stevens are 5'8". And I seen the only way Smith didn't put up the points like I thought he would, is because the defender(s) were taller than him. Which prevented him from scoring as much as he "should". Is this going to be a problem for Smith being at the SG position? Because most SG's are about 6'-6'1", and thats a whole 4-5 inches on him. Thats kind of like a 6' vs 6'5". But you never know, I'd still love to see Stevens come over to join Wilhite and Smith. And it's a HUGE plus that he plays good defense and forces a lot of turnovers. Now all Lockland needs is another quality "Big Man" in the post. But like I said before, Wilhite supposively is bringing in a guy from Northwest High School thats tall.

[NKUnorse23]

I have also heard people were interested in coming over from Wyoming, Princeton obviously, Reading, Cincy Public schools..this all coming from "around town".

[Eezy as 123]

Oh really NKUnorse23? And what are the names of these players? Please list their names and what school they're from.

[NKUnorse23]

i meant to ad that question at the end of my last post. thats my bad. but your guess is as good as mine..anyone know????

[Eezy as 123]

Yeah, if anyone hears anything at all about Lockland, please post it.

[crusader3]

I have also heard people were interested in coming over from Wyoming, Princeton obviously, Reading, Cincy Public schools..this all coming from "around town".
From Wyoming? Who would that be? Because the only talks I heard was of Wilhite and Smith talking about going to Wyoming?

[trueballer01]

It is really sad that high school sports has gone to a free agency rout. You can pull for and hope that these guys come to your school. I will pull for the teams with the home grown kids.

[A2theN]

i recently just heard from a good source that Derek Shoecraft is plannin on leaving wyoming to come play with thomas, wilhite, and stevens.. if he does that.. that will make 4 of the 5 this team will need to make a great run at state... 1 more solid post player and look out.... shoecraft also played some aau with thomas and deantray.. teams need to watch out if all this falls through..

pg stevens
sg smith
sf shoecraft
pf wilhite
c??? someone said wilhite was bringin a big boy over from northwestern or something... if so this could be a scary team....

[NKUnorse23]

if this is true wyoming suddenly is no longer a heavy favorite.....

[crusader3]

I would highly doubt Shoecraft would leave Wyoming. He has been there his whole life. Not to mention he knows how strong they will be next year. I wouldn't believe anything unless it actually happens.

[Eezy as 123]

That someone was probably me A2theN. I heard that Wilhite was bringing someone with some height from Northwest High School. But the tallest player they have on thier team is a guy named: Will Smith, who is 6'5". They didn't have any stats on him, so who knows if he's even any good? And, it's great to hear that Shoecraft might be coming to play for Lockland next season. We need another solid scorer. And to top it all off, he's 6'3". Whish makes him a pretty tall scorer (for High School). In my opinion, if these guys do attend Lockland next year, they will be a very good threat at three pointers. Stevenson can hit them pretty solid, Smith is one of the best three point shooters I've ever seen in HS (he just never really attempted them very often), Shoecraft seems to shoot a pretty high percentage from three (38% this season), and believe it or not, Wilhite at 6'7", can really stroke them pretty darn well for his size and position. And if your team can really hit threes, you have a very good chance at winning a ballgame.

Once again, thanks for the information and posts, and please keep me updated on what you hear!

And where are you getting your information from A2theN? If I might ask.

[A2theN]

i was at an aau tourney and was talking to rodney stevens (deantrays father) and he said that his son was putting serious thought in transfering to play with thomas at lockland.. and he also said that derek was taking a good look at it to because i guess there were some issues last year in his coaches confidence in him im not exactly sure..

[crusader3]

His coaches confidence in him? From what I heard his coach wanted him to try to score more. And in the last 5 or 6 games before Woodward he had averaged around 20 a game...

[Pvikes4life]

I would be willing to bet that Stevens stays at Princeton where he will be given control of the team for his senior season, and that Shoecraft stays at Wyoming. As of right now none of these transfers are likely. I could see Smith and Wilhite leaving due to the fact that Lockland is D4 and doesn't bring back much of a team outside of those 2.

[Eezy as 123]

Well I think that's as good as a reference that you can get, besides actually talking to Stevens. And Stevens can have control of Lockland next year too. I think Stevens would make more of an impact at Lockland than Princeton. Same thing goes for Shoecraft. When you have guys on your team that are used to playing on the Div. 1 and 2 level, they will put up numbers that they've never thought possible at a Div. 4 school. Which equals, better confidence, a possible run at state, and most of all, having a lot more fun.

[crusader3]

I guess if you want to play lesser competition, go for it!

[NKUnorse23]

he may want a legit shot at state, and feel wyoming and the people they have can't lead him to that point.....If lockland brings over him and more ppl liek they might.. you can almost taste state

[trueballer01]

I don't follow Lockland much, and all i hear is this kid and that kid transfering in,how about Lockalnds freshmen and jv teams, don't they have kids in their own system that are any good??

[111411]

It sounds like there's not a lot of interest in building a program, just go out and "get" some kids that can play. Another example of high school basketball getting away from it's roots.

[Eezy as 123]

Well trueballer01, no Locklands' freshmen and JV are completely terrible. I think their JV won 1 or 2 games this season. But what do you expect from the 2nd smallest school in Ohio (smallest is New Miami)? Lockland graduates about 15-20 seniors a year. And yes there is interest in building a program. If your school is very consistant each year for about 5-10 years, people will notice your school, and decide to join. Because, after all, everybody wants to win, one way or another (with the exeption of cheating).

And I better go ahead and say this, because I know someone will say that "recruiting" players is cheating. The definition of cheating is basically, going against the rules. And with open enrollment at Lockland, other players coming from different schools, even without living within school district, is not against the rules. Now you may disagree with "recruiting" players, but you must agree that they're not cheating. It's all about winning and having fun, not about complaining and making excuses. If a kid wants to play for Lockland, who is to say that it's wrong, or that it's not okay? These kids will probably never play basketball past their senior season, so let them make the decisions and statements, not you and I. Afterall, who would not cheer for their favorite team, just because players came from different schools? Each and everyone of you all would cheer and support them.

I think the only reason people complain about "recruiting" players is, everyone should stay at their hometown team. Well, it's all about the kids, and what they want. These kids are just wanting to have fun and win any way possible. IT'S NOT WRONG WANTING TO HAVE FUN AND WIN!

Anyways, I've heard three possible players coming in, DeAntray Stevens (Princeton), Derek Shoecraft (Wyoming), and an unknown player from Northwest (possibly 6'5" 248lb. Will Smith). A2theN, that's just three of the five schools you mentioned before. Who are the people from Finneytown and North College Hill?

[111411]

eezy, you may need to check those enrollment figures. Try the OHSAA site, it can give you the correct enrollment for all schools involved in OHSAA sponsored athletics.

If I'm not mistaken, recruiting is a no-no.

As far as winning anyway possible, winning within the rules is the true objective.

[crusader3]

he may want a legit shot at state, and feel wyoming and the people they have can't lead him to that point.....If lockland brings over him and more ppl liek they might.. you can almost taste state

Wyoming is going to be a top 5 ranked team in the state next year. Can they win state? Who knows, but they do have a shot with what they bring back. As for Lockland. They lose 3 starters, including Mack and DuJuan. They didn't win it last year although they did make a great run. However, without 2 other good role players they will not be that good. I have been told today that Stevens is staying at Princeton, and is not going to Lockland. Even Shoecraft wouldn't take them to state without another good player down low. BTW, untill I see the player in the Lockland uni, I will not believe that Wilhite's buddy is transferring in.

[Eezy as 123]

111411, I know that recruiting players is illegal. I'm not actually talking about really recruiting players. I was just calling it that (notice how I put "recruiting" everytime I typed it). I'm not talking about the coaches or administrators calling up kids, and asking them to play for them. I'm talking about players talking their friends and/or other players to come and join. Or, if players come on their own.

[crusader3]

The other thing that would be a shame is seeing someone from Wyoming, who has been there his whole life, having "Lockland" on his diploma rather than "Wyoming."

[trueballer01]

with the kids flocking to lockland and nch, it sounds like they are replacing ccd, summitt, seven hills as the institutes of higher learning

[Eezy as 123]

Originally Posted by NKUnorse23
I have also heard people were interested in coming over from Wyoming, Princeton obviously, Reading, Cincy Public schools..this all coming from "around town".

NKUnorse23, and who are these players coming from these schools?

Originally Posted by trueballer01
with the kids flocking to lockland and nch, it sounds like they are replacing ccd, summitt, seven hills as the institutes of higher learning


trueballer01, no one is worrying about "institutes of higher learning". We are strictly talking about basketball. To tell the truth, I couldn't care less about it. To me, it doesn't really matter where you go to high school at. You can get as good as an education in any high school, it all depends on the students on if they pay attention, do their work, and study.

Anyways, I've heard three possible players coming in, DeAntray Stevens (Princeton), Derek Shoecraft (Wyoming), and an unknown player from Northwest (possibly 6'5" 248lb. Will Smith). A2theN, that's just three of the five schools you mentioned before. Who are the people from Finneytown and North College Hill?

[A2theN]

i never said anything about those 2 other schools ask someone else cause the only people i heard of personally were deantray and derek... i wasn't even sure about wilhites friend cause i didn't hear that personally..

[HoopHound]

I don't much like the "tone" that this thread has taken today (Monday, 5/8). No rules broken... yet, but my experience tells me that this is going in a "salty" direction.

Let's keep this a little less "personal" (meaning talking AT each other).

Let's get back to discussing...

[Eezy as 123]

Sorry, it must have been a different person. Someone said that there were rumors going around that people from North College Hill, Wyoming, Finneytown, Princeton, and Reading, wanted to join next season. I don't remember who that was, but, please post names if you hear anything.

And to be completely honest with you, I don't even know if coach Paul Andrews is staying at Lockland for next season. My guess is yes he is, but you never know. Has anyone heard anything on Andrews?

[NKUnorse23]

eezy this what i have heard.. no names...i was wondering if u knew or anyone else knew.. ive got no secrets to hide or tell

[OJ_32_MAYO]

I heard that Courtney Davis and Damon Butler from North College Hill might attend Lockland their senior season.

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

I've heard a lot of talk about players from different schools coming to lockland next season: DeAntray Stevens from Princeton, Derek Shoecraft from Wyoming, and a post player from Northwest. And possibly someone from North College Hill. This all is very possible, considering Lockland is an open enrollment school, which means anyone that lives in Cincinnati can attend Lockland, they just have to provide their own transportation.

HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ON WHO IS COMING?

[HoopHound]

I heard that Courtney Davis and Damon Butler from North College Hill might attend Lockland their senior season.

I've heard a lot of talk about players from different schools coming to lockland next season: DeAntray Stevens from Princeton, Derek Shoecraft from Wyoming, and a post player from Northwest. And possibly someone from North College Hill. This all is very possible, considering Lockland is an open enrollment school, which means anyone that lives in Cincinnati can attend Lockland, they just have to provide their own transportation.

HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ON WHO IS COMING?

:hello: OJ_32_MAYO and xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx!!!

:welcome: to Yappi and the boys basketball forum. We hope you BOTH enjoy the site and this forum as much as the rest of us. :)

We look forward to BOTH of your thoughts and opinions in your future posts!! :cool:

[Eezy as 123]

I haven't heard any more than what you have, xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx. But I'm a huge Lockland fan! I hope great players do come next season, and the years to come! But if all this information is correct, Locklands' starting 5 would be:

C-Will Smith------------6'5"---248lbs.---N/A (but it'll probably be 10-15ppg)
PF-Antoine Wilhite-----6'7"---220lbs.---16ppg
SF-Derek Shoecraft----6'3"---N/A------13ppg (on a Div.2 level)
SG-Thomas Smith------5'8"---155lbs.---17ppg
PG-DeAntray Stevens--5'8"---N/A-------8ppg (I think) (On a Div.1 level)

That's averaging 65-70ppg just for the starters! I hope this all happens!

Anyways, does anyone know anything about this Will Smith guy from Northwest High School? If so, is he any good? How many points was he putting up per game?

And I hope to see Courtney Davis and Damon Butler in the 2007-08 season! "Come on over guys! Everyone is welcome at Lockland!

[crusader3]

eezy, I am going to love it when no one transfers in and all your rumor making is shown to be false...

[NKUnorse23]

I'm finding it very unlikely that wilhite will stay... what transfers come in who knows.. its not impossible bc kids love the idea of being a 'free agent' and testing the transfer market...but dont count your chickens before they are hatched....

[Eezy as 123]

I've made no rumors except for Wilhite possibly talking his friend from Northwest, to come over and play. And I don't even know if Will Smith is the guy Wilhite is talking about. He just said that it was a tall post player, that's all.

NKUnorse, I'm about 80% positive that Wilhite will stay. If he goes, it will be to NCH only. And that's only because he once played for NCH his freshman year. And that his grandparents live there. And Wilhite does live in Lockland with his guardians. So he would have to live inside the school district to go to any other schools except for private schools, which I think is highly unlikely. But I don't see him going to NCH because, he'll just be another "club in the bag" as someone once said. But unless he wants a state championship really bad, he will go there. Because that's a guaranteed state title.

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

I agree with eezy 110%. Wilhite is the kind of person who knows a lot of players around Cincinnati. I really can see him bringing in a player or two. And also Paul Andrews, Locklands coach, is well known for bringing in great players too. Example: Thomas Smith. Because Andrews does teach at Princeton. And I know Andrews is really hungry for a state title.

[111411]

I hope you gentlemen remember a disgraced member of the Columbus City School District that "brought in" players. That team was made up of transfers from a large area and swept through the state tournament. A paperwork foul up following the influx of transfers, led to that team being stripped of their state title. I'd think someone may have learned their lesson. Be careful what you ask for. I'd think that the Lockland administration may have differing views of how a coach may be able to "put together" a team.

[Eezy as 123]

I heard they got their title tooken away because they had ONE ineligeable player on their team (he played to many seasons or semesters or something). And it's a good thing Lockland is an OPEN ENROLLMENT school, which makes it 100% LEGAL.

OHSAA: "Coach Andrews, we were told that you recruited players to play here at Lockland. Is that true?"

Andrews: "No."

And that's that. No one has proof. And it's especially hard to prove him wrong if the school has open enrollment. And that Lockland has had 6 players transferred in since the 2003-04 season (Tommy Cox-Princeton, Derrick Smith-Princeton, Dominic Smith-Princeton, Jason Sneed-Princeton, Antoine Wilhite-NCH, and Thomas Smith-Princeton).

And I'm not just talking about Andrews bringing in players, but other teamates spreading the word.

[crusader3]

NKUnorse, I'm about 80% positive that Wilhite will stay. If he goes, it will be to NCH only. And that's only because he once played for NCH his freshman year. And that his grandparents live there. And Wilhite does live in Lockland with his guardians. So he would have to live inside the school district to go to any other schools except for private schools, which I think is highly unlikely.

Wilhite's dad lives in Wyoming...

[sportsman123]

I heard they got their title tooken away because they had ONE ineligeable player on their team (he played to many seasons or semesters or something). And it's a good thing Lockland is an OPEN ENROLLMENT school, which makes it 100% LEGAL.

OHSAA: "Coach Andrews, we were told that you recruited players to play here at Lockland. Is that true?"

Andrews: "No."

And that's that. No one has proof. And it's especially hard to prove him wrong if the school has open enrollment. And that Lockland has had 6 players transferred in since the 2003-04 season (Tommy Cox-Princeton, Derrick Smith-Princeton, Dominic Smith-Princeton, Jason Sneed-Princeton, Antoine Wilhite-NCH, and Thomas Smith-Princeton).

And I'm not just talking about Andrews bringing in players, but other teamates spreading the word.

The only reason all of those players came in to Lockland from Princeton was because they got cut from the team and thomas smith only did because he couldn't handle Brewer's summer work outs. Andrews has no influence at Princeton

[Eezy as 123]

The only reason all of those players came in to Lockland from Princeton was because they got cut from the team and thomas smith only did because he couldn't handle Brewer's summer work outs. Andrews has no influence at Princeton


Very true, but I'm not worried about why they came over to Lockland, I'm just worried if they do come or not. Andrews might not have had an influence at Princeton, but he does at Lockland. BTW, Andrews was 2005 OHIO (not Cincinnati) Coach of the Year. You don't get that award for nothing. His overall record in his career is something like: 380-180 (WOW) And that's not just at Princeton either (Taft & Woodward).

[GEdt68]

isnt this FAVC returning starter... oh wait i must be seeing things again:confused:

[Eezy as 123]

isnt this FAVC returning starter... oh wait i must be seeing things again:confused:

What?! I don't get it.:confused:

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

Anyone hear anything on Lockland yet?! Please keep us updated.

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

Wilhite's dad lives in Wyoming...

Why does everybody think Wilhite will be leaving? Wilhite will not go nowhere. And crusader3, why do you think Wilhite will even think about going to Wyoming? That would be more unlikely than gas prices dropping to $1.50/gal. Wyoming is not the "type" of school Wilhite is looking for. And why do you think Wilhite's dad doesn't have custody over him? Things like this happen for a reason. Wilhite's guardians live in Lockland with Wilhite, and he's going to stay at Lockland for his senior year. You won't see his dad have custody over him just so he can play basketball for a school that isn't for him, if you know what I mean.

[crusader3]

Why does everybody think Wilhite will be leaving?
I don't know, why does everyone think Shoecraft will be leaving, or Stevens?

[CHLHAWKEYE]

Why does everybody think Wilhite will be leaving? Wilhite will not go nowhere. And crusader3, why do you think Wilhite will even think about going to Wyoming? That would be more unlikely than gas prices dropping to $1.50/gal. Wyoming is not the "type" of school Wilhite is looking for. And why do you think Wilhite's dad doesn't have custody over him? Things like this happen for a reason. Wilhite's guardians live in Lockland with Wilhite, and he's going to stay at Lockland for his senior year. You won't see his dad have custody over him just so he can play basketball for a school that isn't for him, if you know what I mean.

Lockland Prancer,

Wilhite would be better off getting out of that school. The school is definitely not a good place and the team is traditionally under-achievers. There is no way they should have lost in the D4 state, are you kidding me?? The CHL is a much better conference than the MVC, minus the Greyhounds, and it shows. Wyoming and Finneytwon both beat them, and neither team was as big or athletic as Lockland. I am not sure of Andrews' status for next season, but he is a good coach, but I think lacks the drive to take his team to the top. At Princeton, he had former UK standout Eric Daniels and he also had a nother D2 player in Larry Brown, along with Curt Cross. All were very good players and if I recall they didn't even get out of the districts. Andrews is a good coach, but not a great coach and it showed in the state tourney. As for Wilhite, he is a good player, but for him to be "choosing" where he wants to go to win a state championship, his best option would be to stay @ Lockland and play in that lackluster MVC and D4. He is a good player, needs a lot of work and strength, but he is no OJ or Bill, where he can just go to a school and make them an automatic contender to win the state. His best bet would be to get out of Lockland and get some exposure, I beleive Wyoming would be a great place for him to go, but anywhere but Lockland, plus they don't have much at all coming back, besides him and the Smith kid and their JV team was a joke!

[Eezy as 123]

Lockland Prancer,

Wilhite would be better off getting out of that school. The school is definitely not a good place and the team is traditionally under-achievers. There is no way they should have lost in the D4 state, are you kidding me?? The CHL is a much better conference than the MVC, minus the Greyhounds, and it shows. Wyoming and Finneytwon both beat them, and neither team was as big or athletic as Lockland. I am not sure of Andrews' status for next season, but he is a good coach, but I think lacks the drive to take his team to the top. At Princeton, he had former UK standout Eric Daniels and he also had a nother D2 player in Larry Brown, along with Curt Cross. All were very good players and if I recall they didn't even get out of the districts. Andrews is a good coach, but not a great coach and it showed in the state tourney. As for Wilhite, he is a good player, but for him to be "choosing" where he wants to go to win a state championship, his best option would be to stay @ Lockland and play in that lackluster MVC and D4. He is a good player, needs a lot of work and strength, but he is no OJ or Bill, where he can just go to a school and make them an automatic contender to win the state. His best bet would be to get out of Lockland and get some exposure, I beleive Wyoming would be a great place for him to go, but anywhere but Lockland, plus they don't have much at all coming back, besides him and the Smith kid and their JV team was a joke!

Yes CHLHAWKEYE, he would be better off at a Div.1 or 2 school, but, he's not going anywhere but either Lockland or NCH. He would have to live in the school district to go to any other school. Besides a private school, which I highly doubt his guardians will pay for him to go to a HS for 1 year. Wilhite lives in Lockland with his guardians, so unless he moves into someone elses house in a different school district, then he will not be going anywhere. The only reason why I said that he might go to NCH is because, he played there his freshman year. And plus, his grandparents live in NCH. So it's highly unlikely that he will be attending anywhere but Lockland. And Lockland is known to bring in good players from around Cincinnati, due to open enrollment. And, why do you act like Div.4 is no fun or anything? To be truthful, I enjoy Div.4 basketball than any other division. Everybody has there own opinions and things they like.

We've already heard possible players coming into Lockland next season:
C-A big post player from Northwest (possibly 6'5" 248lb. Will Smith)
SF-Derek Shoecraft 6'3"(from Wyoming)
PG-DeAntray Stevens 5'8" (from Princeton)

And, a couple more that I heard from a source, but he/she asked me not to say any names or any schools.

Keep in mind, these are just rumors from people I've heard from, and are not by any means, 100% correct, yet.

[mayson]

Shoecraft is not going to Lockland, they are returning 4 starters from a team that went 19-3 and went 12-2 in the CHL and he has lived in Wyoming his entire life. Not to mention the competition in the CHL with the exception of North Circus Hill is better from top to bottom.

[RoundballOZ11]

The possible transfer from Finneytown and you might be able to help out NKUNorse23, is the Okafor Kid 6-4 strong body, lefthanded, no longer plays at the town does not like the coach a great deal.

[Eezy as 123]

The possible transfer from Finneytown and you might be able to help out NKUNorse23, is the Okafor Kid 6-4 strong body, lefthanded, no longer plays at the town does not like the coach a great deal.

Thanks RoundballOZ11, but where did you get this information from? Why doesn't he play for Finneytown no more, and doesn't like the coach? Is this guy any good? What does his stats look like?

[mayson]

I just can't see this many people if any transferring in to Lockland. They have had a good stretch the last couple of years, but the fact is, they get a great record because the MVC is terrible and then they float through the d4 tournament until the regionals because of how terrible it is...

[Eezy as 123]

They have had a good stretch the last couple of years, but the fact is, they get a great record because the MVC is terrible and then they float through the d4 tournament until the regionals because of how terrible it is...

Someone hasn't been going to Lockland games. DaJuan Harris just became Locklands' 4th ALL-TIME leading scorer in school history! What does that tell you?

[NKUnorse23]

while i always hope for the best with lockland athletics....
i find them winning state extremely doubtful this year. with all the talent they had. if they couldt bring one home this year, they probably never will. they had one of the most talent teams up at state-in all divisions. with harris a d1 recruit. willhite a d1 recruit. thomas a very solid athlete and shooter and mac ogletree who was an athletic superfreak..how can we say they will be back and contending on the state level if they didnt win it with that talent

[mayson]

I saw them play CHCA this year, I mean they were exciting I guess, but they beat CHCA by like 12-15 and Madeira beat CHCA by 35....thats a pretty big gap...Madeira finished third in the CHL...

[Eezy as 123]

I saw them play CHCA this year, I mean they were exciting I guess, but they beat CHCA by like 12-15 and Madeira beat CHCA by 35....thats a pretty big gap...Madeira finished third in the CHL...

The reason why Lockland didnt completely blow out CHCA was because all of the players on Lockland wanted to play with too much effort. Because CHCA's head coach was Locklands' head coach last year (Steve Farquhar). They were trying to show Farquhar that he shouldn't have left them (I guess, you know how that goes). Plus, CHCA is Div.3.

[mayson]

Thats what I'm saying though, CHCA is a d3 team, and another d3 team beat them by 30+...proving the divisional gap...I was just saying that the only reason to go to lockland is if they "load up" to win a title in the least competitive division by far...the games in d4 tournament aren't competitive until the regionals...because the talent is so much less...

[Eezy as 123]

I haven't heard anything else on DeAntray Stevens, Derek Shoecraft, or Alex Okafor, coming to Lockland. But, I do know one thing FOR SURE, 6'4" Osunde Ekhator and 6' Demario Pleasant are coming to play for Lockland next season. I've already talked to them about it, and they seemed excited. Wilhite has known Demario since the 3rd grade he says. They both played, and started, on the Northwest varsity basketball team last year. These guys are use to playing on a Div.1 level, so Osunde's 9ppg will turn into 15ppg, and Demario's 13ppg will turn into 18ppg, due to playing in Div.4. I'm still working on bringing 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith over from Northwest too. Smith also started on the varsity team. So far, he says he doesn't know, but sounds like he is considering it. I'll keep you all updated.

And by the way, Wilhite is forced to stay at Lockland next year for basketball, the reason is unknown, but he said he will be playing for the Panthers next season. And I also asked Wilhite if Thomas Smith is staying, and he says that he is, and so is coach Andrews.

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

That's GREAT NEWS! Keep up the good work eezy. Let us know when you find out different things. I've seen Osunde play before. That guy is really athletic. We might have another DaJuan Harris on our hands! And I also know that Osunde has played the PF position, therefore, he's used to playing against 6'4"-6'6" players all year round, for three years now, on the Division 1 level. And it's nice to know Wilhite, Smith, and Andrews will be there next season!

[Eezy as 123]

Another player will join Lockland next season. Tyler Beaty, he played for Reading last season, but, played on reserve. He has a terrific 3pt. shot, and will be a PG. He averaged 13ppg.

So far:
C- 6'7" 220lb. Antoine Wilhite (16ppg)
PF- 6'4" 200lb. Osunde Ekhator (10ppg, but will be 15ppg)
SF- ???
SG- 6' 190lb. DeMario Pleasant (13ppg, but will be 18ppg)
PG- 5'8" 155lb. Thomas Smith (17ppg)

Bench: PG- 5'8" 160lb. Tyler Beaty (13ppg, probably will get 5-8ppg)

I'm still waiting on 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith to write me back. And I also wrote to 6'3" Derek Shoecraft yesterday, but hasn't wrote me back yet either.

[crusader3]

Another player will join Lockland next season. Tyler Beaty, he played for Reading last season, but, played on reserve. He has a terrific 3pt. shot, and will be a PG. He averaged 13ppg.

So far:
C- 6'7" 220lb. Antoine Wilhite (16ppg)
PF- 6'4" 200lb. Osunde Ekhator (10ppg, but will be 15ppg)
SF- ???
SG- 6' 190lb. DeMario Pleasant (13ppg, but will be 18ppg)
PG- 5'8" 155lb. Thomas Smith (17ppg)

Bench: PG- 5'8" 160lb. Tyler Beaty (13ppg, probably will get 5-8ppg)

I'm still waiting on 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith to write me back. And I also wrote to 6'3" Derek Shoecraft yesterday, but hasn't wrote me back yet either.
You're writing to players??? What is your position at Lockland? If you are just a student there, then you writing to players is scary... If you are a coach, it is recruiting, and I know you are not a player, so we can eliminate that aspect.

As for this Beaty kid. Readings best 4 players on JV last year were all freshman.... This Beaty kid didn't dress Varsity, yet all four of the freshman did. I have seen this kid play and I know he didn't put up 13 ppg. He was their 5th best player on JV... I love how you are trying to make it seem like he is good. Here are the varsity stats for last year, the last 4 players on the list are all frosh, and started JV...

http://stats.sportshuddle.com/FanPages/Sports/Basketball/Common/SeasonStats_Team.asp?TeamID={DA4A34BD-F6B7-4BB3-B07A-2561D00A7AA1--&setTeamType=6&setAffiliate=Cinc&setSeason={7796A464-E2C5-4878-A04D-72411B418E11--

[mayson]

yeah, writing letters to players begging them to come to lockland = not a sound idea.

[HoopHound]

yeah, writing letters to players begging them to come to lockland = not a sound idea.

True, mayson.

I know of one instance where a booster (not connected with the school in ANY way other than being a huge fan) ran into a student/athlete (wearing a letter jacket) from another district that happened to be in the booster's town, shopping with his mother.

Long story short... booster, athlete, and parent ended up at a restaurant and booster treated mom to a cup of coffee, and the athlete to a burger and coke. Booster talked about his team's awesome program and how the student/athlete would "sure look good" in the Booster's team's uniform.

End result (after the athlete's coach found out about the meeting) was a two-year ban on postseason tournament participation, plus probation added on to that.

If eezy thinks he's immune to that... he'd better think again. Hopefully he didn't use his name when he wrote, or Lockland could ALREADY be in trouble. All it would take is ONE of these athletes he's contacting to tell his coach, and turn in eezy's name and BOOM.

Trust me... it's VERY possible.

[111411]

True, mayson.

I know of one instance where a booster (not connected with the school in ANY way other than being a huge fan) ran into a student/athlete (wearing a letter jacket) from another district that happened to be in the booster's town, shopping with his mother.

Long story short... booster, athlete, and parent ended up at a restaurant and booster treated mom to a cup of coffee, and the athlete to a burger and coke. Booster talked about his team's awesome program and how the student/athlete would "sure look good" in the Booster's team's uniform.

End result (after the athlete's coach found out about the meeting) was a two-year ban on postseason tournament participation, plus probation added on to that.

If eezy thinks he's immune to that... he'd better think again. Hopefully he didn't use his name when he wrote, or Lockland could ALREADY be in trouble. All it would take is ONE of these athletes he's contacting to tell his coach, and turn in eezy's name and BOOM.

Trust me... it's VERY possible.

I'd hope that those that actually run the Lockland School District have enough respect for the educational system to ensure that the student-athletes are there for the education and not to just participate in athletics.

[Eezy as 123]

Well that's what Tyler Beaty told me, he said that he averaged 10ppg, but that's only because he never played that much. So, I'm not sure on that, but that's what he said. Plus, notice hot I put that he will average around 5-8ppg on Lockland.

And, I'm not a coach, student or player. I've already talked to the people that would be involved with all of the new players coming into Lockland. And they said it was ok, because open enrollment has "our" back. Plus, I never took no one out for dinner and coffee. So I'd say I'm pretty good on this situation. And by the way, I didn't use my name, it's really not me sending these messages, it's someone else, but I'm just posting it on here.

[HoopHound]

Well that's what Tyler Beaty told me, he said that he averaged 10ppg, but that's only because he never played that much. So, I'm not sure on that, but that's what he said.

And, I'm not a coach, student or player. I've already talked to the people that would be involved with all of the new players coming into Lockland. And they said it was ok, because open enrollment has "our" back. Plus, I never took no one out for dinner and coffee. So I'd say I'm pretty good on this situation. And by the way, I didn't use my name, it's really not me sending these messages, it's someone else, but I'm just posting it on here.

You're getting VERY bad information if you've been told open enrollment "has your back" in this situation.

Some of the specifics you've stated in previous posts are already breaking the recruiting rules described.

Don't get me wrong eezy, you can go right ahead and keep posting your actions regarding your contacting of these kids. I really couldn't care less.

I'm just warning you that ANYONE with the ability to "cut and paste" can EASILY send your remarks to the OHSAA. Anyone that reads them would agree that they are recruiting in nature. Schools and teams have gotten into trouble (suspensions and probations) for a lot less than what you've already posted in here. :shrug: :)

[mayson]

well put HoopHound - this is just another sad example of what high school sports have come to...and unfortunately, another example from Cincinnati...

[Chop Stix]

If Lockland gets Pleasant, Ekhator, AND big Will Smith from NW, I think that'll lock up a d4 state title for the Panthers. Pleasant is a great scorer, Ekhator is a great athlete with height, and Will Smith is just huge. I don't know how many d4 teams will be able to contend with that.

[Eezy as 123]

I completely understand and agree with you HoopHound. But remember, I'm not the one talking to no one but the person that's doing this. I get news from him/her, and I just post it (since this is the Lockland basketball thread). All news about Lockland basketball should be held here. And that's just simply what I'm doing.

Although I agree with you HoopHound, I do wish all these people do come to play for the Panthers. What person wouldn't want their fav. team to win? Regardless of how they do it. Just as long as it's "legal".

[Eezy as 123]

If Lockland gets Pleasant, Ekhator, AND big Will Smith from NW, I think that'll lock up a d4 state title for the Panthers. Pleasant is a great scorer, Ekhator is a great athlete with height, and Will Smith is just huge. I don't know how many d4 teams will be able to contend with that.

Yes. This would be a huge thing for Lockland. Not only would they get these three fine athletes, they still keep their second and third leading scorers from last season (6'7" Antoine Wilhite 16ppg & 5'8" Thomas Smith 17ppg).

C-6'5" 250lb. Will Smith (predicting 15-18ppg)
PF-6'7" 220lb. Antoine Wilhite (predicting 16-18ppg)
SF-6'4" 200lb. Osunde Ekhator (predicting 15ppg)
SG-6' 190lb. DeMario Pleasant (predicting 15-18ppg)
PG-5'8" 155lb. Thomas Smith (predicting 15-20ppg)

That's between 76-89ppg just for the starting five! Not to mention what the bench players might average.

[mayson]

no way they all average that many points. period.

[HoopHound]

I completely understand and agree with you HoopHound. But remember, I'm not the one talking to no one but the person that's doing this....

You're NOT??? :confused:

The following is what you wrote in post #118...

...I'm still waiting on 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith to write me back. And I also wrote to 6'3" Derek Shoecraft yesterday, but hasn't wrote me back yet either.

That sure sounds to me like YOU'RE doing the contacting, not someone else.

...Although I agree with you HoopHound, I do wish all these people do come to play for the Panthers. What person wouldn't want their fav. team to win? Regardless of how they do it. Just as long as it's "legal".

It is NOT legal... as I've tried to explain to you. Whether YOU do it, or "someone else" does it, it's illegal. Unfortunately, YOU won't be penalized... it'll be LOCKLAND kept out of the tournament, or placed on probation... YOUR team.

If you don't care about Lockland, just keep posting about all your "contacts". Just don't come in here later pissing and moaning about the OHSAA when something happens.

This is a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD that anyone with internet access can read (AND copy and paste). What part of that don't you understand??? :Ohno:

[111411]

We do remember the last D4 school that got into trouble for some inadequate paperwork, don't we? The school of the "lost" trophy. Time to let the student/athletes become students first. Believe it or not, they are there for an education.

[Pvikes4life]

Yes. This would be a huge thing for Lockland. Not only would they get these three fine athletes, they still keep their second and third leading scorers from last season (6'7" Antoine Wilhite 16ppg & 5'8" Thomas Smith 17ppg).

C-6'5" 250lb. Will Smith (predicting 15-18ppg)
PF-6'7" 220lb. Antoine Wilhite (predicting 16-18ppg)
SF-6'4" 200lb. Osunde Ekhator (predicting 15ppg)
SG-6' 190lb. DeMario Pleasant (predicting 15-18ppg)
PG-5'8" 155lb. Thomas Smith (predicting 15-20ppg)

That's between 76-89ppg just for the starting five! Not to mention what the bench players might average.

I hope that you seriously don't believe all of this that you are saying. It is pure nonsense. I could see Wilhite, Smith, and Pleasant getting close to those numbers, but the other two guys have no shot. When it comes down to regionals, and state, coaching plays a big role. Coach Andrews never has been able to win the big game no matter what school he's been at and he's had plenty of talent.

[Eezy as 123]

Hoophound, I just said it was me because I don't want to have to say, "my friend wrote Will Smith & Derek Shoecraft, and he/she is waiting for them to write back". Just easier to say. And by the way, my friend isn't a coach, player, or student either.

111411, that team lost their title because they had an ineligible player. The only way Lockland could have an ineligible player is, if the player doesn't live in Cincinnati. And/Or if the player has played too many semesters.

Pvikes4life, Lockland averaged 71ppg this past season. If they have better players next season, then yes it can happen. Especially at Div.4. Will Smith averaged 13ppg on a Div.1 level! What do you think he would put up on a Div.4 level? Osunde averaged 9ppg on a Div.1 level. And DeMario averaged 13ppg on a Div. 1 level. Andrews has took Lockland to the Final 4. And only lost by 3pts. in the state semis. Andrews is a great coach, and will even be better for Lockland to have him, because he's used to coaching a Div.1 team for a while. Not to mention, Andrews won 2005 Ohio (not Cincinnati) Coach of the Year. So you're saying Huggins isn't a good coach either? He never took the Bearcats to the big game. And he had plenty of talent too.

What it all boils down to is, Lockland IS allowed to have whoever they want on their team, no matter what. As long as they live in Cincinnati. If Osunde, DeMario, and Will all want to go to Lockland next year, then they CAN. Nobody is harrassing, or forcing them to come. IT'S THEIR DECISION! All that was simply said was, would you like to play for Lockland next season? It's open enrollment. That's all.

[crusader3]

Hoophound, I just said it was me because I don't want to have to say, "my friend wrote Will Smith & Derek Shoecraft, and he/she is waiting for them to write back". Just too much to say. And by the way, my friend isn't a coach, player, or student either.

111411, that team lost their title because they had an ineligible player. The only way Lockland could have an ineligible player is, if the player doesn't live in Cincinnati. And if the player has played too many semesters.

Pvikes4life, Lockland averaged 71ppg this past season. If they have better players next season, then yes it can happen. Especially at Div.4. Andrews has took Lockland to the Final 4. And only lost by 3pts. in the state semis. Andrews is a great coach, and will even be better for Lockland to have him, because he's used to coaching a Div.1 team for a while. Not to mention, Andrews won 2005 Ohio (not Cincinnati) Coach of the Year. So you're saying Huggins isn't a good coach either? He never took the Bearcats to the big game. And he had plenty of talent too.

What it all boils down to is, Lockland IS allowed to have whoever they want on their team, no matter what. As long as they live in Cincinnati. If Osunde, DeMario, and Will all want to go to Lockland next year, then they CAN.

No matter what isn't correct, Lockland is still under the same recruiting rules everyone else is. And sending players from other schools "letters" through myspace is a illegal according to the OHSAA... and downright sad!

[Eezy as 123]

No matter what isn't correct, Lockland is still under the same recruiting rules everyone else is. And sending players from other schools "letters" through myspace is a illegal according to the OHSAA... and downright sad!

These people are friends to my friend. So it doesn't matter. It's just friends talking to each other. That's all. Nothing wrong with a couple of friends talking to each other.

[HoopHound]

No matter what isn't correct, Lockland is still under the same recruiting rules everyone else is. And sending players from other schools "letters" through myspace is a illegal according to the OHSAA... and downright sad!

Don't waste your time, C3... :wallbang:

eezy OBVIOUSLY doesn't "get it". Hopefully, Lockland won't have to pay for his misunderstanding of MAJOR recruiting rules. :Ohno:

[111411]

I'm guessing that there are those from the OHSAA Board of Control that actually read Yappi. I think our friend may have bought himself a whole world of troubles for Lockland should the school succeed in "bringing in" those student/athletes that have been mentioned. It may be time to turn it down a notch.

[mayson]

and Lockland people, all "open enrollment" means is that you can get students from neighboring school districts that TOUCH the boarder...This would be Princeton, Cincinnati Public Schools, Wyoming and Reading...Now most of the players mentioned fall in this, but not all of them.

[Pvikes4life]

Hoophound, I just said it was me because I don't want to have to say, "my friend wrote Will Smith & Derek Shoecraft, and he/she is waiting for them to write back". Just easier to say. And by the way, my friend isn't a coach, player, or student either.

111411, that team lost their title because they had an ineligible player. The only way Lockland could have an ineligible player is, if the player doesn't live in Cincinnati. And/Or if the player has played too many semesters.

Pvikes4life, Lockland averaged 71ppg this past season. If they have better players next season, then yes it can happen. Especially at Div.4. Will Smith averaged 13ppg on a Div.1 level! What do you think he would put up on a Div.4 level? Osunde averaged 9ppg on a Div.1 level. And DeMario averaged 13ppg on a Div. 1 level. Andrews has took Lockland to the Final 4. And only lost by 3pts. in the state semis. Andrews is a great coach, and will even be better for Lockland to have him, because he's used to coaching a Div.1 team for a while. Not to mention, Andrews won 2005 Ohio (not Cincinnati) Coach of the Year. So you're saying Huggins isn't a good coach either? He never took the Bearcats to the big game. And he had plenty of talent too.

What it all boils down to is, Lockland IS allowed to have whoever they want on their team, no matter what. As long as they live in Cincinnati. If Osunde, DeMario, and Will all want to go to Lockland next year, then they CAN. Nobody is harrassing, or forcing them to come. IT'S THEIR DECISION! All that was simply said was, would you like to play for Lockland next season? It's open enrollment. That's all.

Comparing Huggins to Andrews is like comparing a Lexus to a Geo Metro. Huggins won the C-USA countless times, and he made it to an NCAA Final Four. He had the number one team in the nation a few times too. Lockland won last year on talent. They will do the same next year, but the numbers that you have predicted for those guys are not realistic.

[mayson]

P vikes - check my earlier message, Lockland does not have choice of anyone in the city. They can only get kids from school districts that touch Lockland.

[Eezy as 123]

Don't waste your time, C3... :wallbang:

eezy OBVIOUSLY doesn't "get it". Hopefully, Lockland won't have to pay for his misunderstanding of MAJOR recruiting rules. :Ohno:

Why does it seem like everyone that has posted in this thread, bash at me? I'm not the one doing this! I'm getting this information through a very reliable source, and all I'm doing is posting it. Just like everyone else does,right?

And Pvikes, I don't care if they don't get them ppg. I was just predicting, that's all. Regardless, they're going to put up big numbers.

And mayson, how did Wilhite transfer from NCH to Lockland, if open enrollment only means that students may come only if they're from surrounding school districts?

[cintihssportsfanatic]

This thread is getting really absurb. Is it time to shut this one down? Maybe do this guy a favor and stop him since he doesn't seem to be able to stop himself.

[Pvikes4life]

P vikes - check my earlier message, Lockland does not have choice of anyone in the city. They can only get kids from school districts that touch Lockland.

That isn't true at all. Open enrollment means open enrollment, and what does that have to do with my message anyway.

[HoopHound]

This thread is getting really absurb. Is it time to shut this one down? Maybe do this guy a favor and stop him since he doesn't seem to be able to stop himself.

Tough to close a thread that's not breaking any yappi rules. If he wants to wave a red flag at a bull (aka OHSAA), then let him. :shrug:

If he or his pals want to play with matches while they're pumping gas, so be it. :(

He's certainly been warned by enough of us MULTIPLE times. :wallbang:

When Lockland gets a letter from the OHSAA, and he and his recruiting pals come on here later screaming and crying FOUL... we'll all remind them that they shot down their own team. :mad:

[111411]

Tough to close a thread that's not breaking any yappi rules. If he wants to wave a red flag at a bull (aka OHSAA), then let him. :shrug:

If he or his pals want to play with matches while they're pumping gas, so be it. :(

He's certainly been warned by enough of us MULTIPLE times. :wallbang:

When Lockland gets a letter from the OHSAA, and he and his recruiting pals come on here later screaming and crying FOUL... we'll all remind them that they shot down their own team. :mad:

The posts are much too "refreshing" :rolleyes: for us close this thread. I think my friend Hoop will agree.

[mayson]

That is the rule concerning open enrollment.

[mayson]

And mayson, how did Wilhite transfer from NCH to Lockland, if open enrollment only means that students may come only if they're from surrounding school districts?


It's very easy to transfer without open enrollment...see NCH's roster.

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

I just read the OHSAA rules for open enrollment. And all that would keep these players from playing is if they started the 2006-07 school year at a different school. They must start the school year at Lockland to be eligible to play. If they didn't, they would have to wait a whole school year to be able to play. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and please provide the link where you would find this false at.

[crusader3]

Bench: PG- 5'8" 160lb. Tyler Beaty (13ppg, probably will get 5-8ppg)


I still can't believe you said this... after that comment, nothing you say on here should be taken seriously..

[Eezy as 123]

You don't think he will get 5ppg by the way this guy shoots 3's?

[crusader3]

No, I don't. I don't even think he will see the floor for Varsity. He didn't come close to a 13ppg avg last year for the JV team, and will be lucky to score 2 ppg for any varsity team.

[StateChamp89]

Yes. This would be a huge thing for Lockland. Not only would they get these three fine athletes, they still keep their second and third leading scorers from last season (6'7" Antoine Wilhite 16ppg & 5'8" Thomas Smith 17ppg).

C-6'5" 250lb. Will Smith (predicting 15-18ppg)
PF-6'7" 220lb. Antoine Wilhite (predicting 16-18ppg)
SF-6'4" 200lb. Osunde Ekhator (predicting 15ppg)
SG-6' 190lb. DeMario Pleasant (predicting 15-18ppg)
PG-5'8" 155lb. Thomas Smith (predicting 15-20ppg)

That's between 76-89ppg just for the starting five! Not to mention what the bench players might average. Lockland is also supposed to get a new point guard he is supposed to be pretty good i seen him at the aau state tourney he will be good for lockland he passes the ball very well and scores when needed and if he goes to lockland he will start he is a better point guard then the people you have there and does lockland play NCH

[Eezy as 123]

Lockland is also supposed to get a new point guard he is supposed to be pretty good i seen him at the aau state tourney he will be good for lockland he passes the ball very well and scores when needed and if he goes to lockland he will start he is a better point guard then the people you have there and does lockland play NCH

And who is this PG? And what school is he from? So far, Lockland doesn't play NCH, but Lockland is missing 2 games on their 2006-07 season schedule. So only time will tell.

Locklands' 2006-2007 season schedule so far:
1.) Wyoming (H)
2.) Seven Hills Upper School (H)
3.) Woodward (A)
4.) St. Bernard (A)
5.) Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy (A)
6.) Finneytown (A)
7.) Shroder (H)
8.) New Miami (H)
9.) Cincinnati Country Day (H)
10.) Cincinnati Christian (A)
11.) Summit (A)
12.) St. Bernard (H)
13.) Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy (H)
14.) Seven Hills Upper School (A)
15.) Cincinnati Country Day (A)
16.) New Miami (A)
17.) Summit (H)
18.) Cincinnati Christian (H)

[xLOCKLAND PANTHERSx]

No, I don't. I don't even think he will see the floor for Varsity. He didn't come close to a 13ppg avg last year for the JV team, and will be lucky to score 2 ppg for any varsity team.

But you have to admit that he can't be any worse than any of the reserve players (lol). If anything, he's better than any of the players from reserve.

[Eezy as 123]

I just read that Clark Montessori is leaving the Southwest Ohio Public League, for the Miami Valley Conference.

Here's the link: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/SPT0301/606140383/1069/SPT03

It's too bad that they couldn't join for the 2006-07 season. I wanted to see Lockland take them on. They were a good solid team last year. They went 15-5 in the regular season, lead by Zach Gibbs (20ppg), Darin Wyly (16ppg), and Chris Ellison (15ppg). But lost to Madeira in the sectional tournament.

[Eezy as 123]

Ron Mack joined Lockland's summer league. He's a solid PG from Northwest HS (a Div.1 school). He plays AAU basketball, and should help Lockland make a big run in the playoffs. He doesn't put up a lot of points, but does get his assists and steals. He helped beat Winton Woods by 2pts. on Monday. Keep in mind that Winton Woods is a Div.1 school. As for Osunde Ekhator, he still is playing for Northwest's summer league, but still is saying that he will join Lockland for this season.

Just recieved word that two more possible transfers might be coming in for Lockland. Both are from Div.1 Western Hills HS. One is, soon-to-be junior, 5'8" 155lb. Jordan Walker. Walker is a fantastic 3pt. shooter, but only averaged 6ppg last season, but has really improved since then. The other is, soon-to-be senior, 6'6" 200lb. Rafeal Cuellar. Cuellar is a solid post player who averaged 18ppg last season. Remember, both of these players are used to playing against Div.1 teams all year every year. Therefore, their stats will improve by going to Div.4 Lockland. I'll keep you all updated.

If you have any news about Lockland, please post it here.

[111411]

I must be confused. I thought that this was the High School Basketball Forum, here I am on the College Basketball Recruiting Forum. :D

Fortunately, the are 15 places on a high school basketball roster, sounds like all 15 will be needed for incoming players. :confused:

[Eezy as 123]

I must be confused. I thought that this was the High School Basketball Forum, here I am on the College Basketball Recruiting Forum. :D

Fortunately, the are 15 places on a high school basketball roster, sounds like all 15 will be needed for incoming players. :confused:

Yes, times have changed. And I don't think all 15 spots will be needed. So far, only one transfer has been made (Ron Mack). But still waiting on Ekhator to join. I think that the news about Lockland being open enrollment and/or having another shot at state, hasn't spread around the city enough for players to even know anything about it. But, I think the news will get around more around the August/September time.

[crusader3]

If you have any news about Lockland, please post it here.

I have some news, they are being investigated for OHSAA recruiting violations... how about that news...

[Eezy as 123]

I have some news, they are being investigated for OHSAA recruiting violations... how about that news...

Thank goodness they haven't broke any rules! :thumb: I've already looked into the rules and regulations for illegal transfers. The only thing that would be illegal is, if one of the players started the school year at a different school other than Lockland. If they did, they would have to wait one whole school year to be able to play any sport. So, no worries for Lockland. And by the way, Lockland hasn't done nothing wrong. They haven't talked to, or sent a letter to, or even text messaged any players. All that went on was, FRIEND -TO- FRIEND CONVERSATION (the same thing that happens EVERY year at Lockland). Nothing to do with Lockland's administrators. If it wasn't illegal last year, or the year before, then I'm probably guessing it isn't going to be illegal this year too, you think?

[crusader3]

All that went on was, FRIEND -TO- FRIEND CONVERSATION (the same thing that happens EVERY year at Lockland). Nothing to do with Lockland's administrators. If it wasn't illegal last year, or the year before, then I'm probably guessing it isn't going to be illegal this year too, you think?
I know for a fact that FRIEND - TO - FRIEND converstations isn't all that went on.

[Eezy as 123]

I know for a fact that FRIEND - TO - FRIEND converstations isn't all that went on.

Then please post what went on. The only way I get my information is from a friend. And he gets this information through people he knows, or when he talks to players from different schools. That's all, I don't make these things up just for fun. It's senseless to post false information. Whether it be talking on the phone, text messaging, talking in person, typing emails, instant messaging, etc. It's still friend -to- friend conversation. As long as no Lockland administrators hasn't talked to these players into coming to play, then it's 100% legal. And, no administrators have talked to any of them.

[mayson]

I don't have a great understanding of all that has gone on over at Lockland, but I would be over 50% sure that some illegal actions as far recruiting, summer coaching, and so on has occured there...I'm not saying it has cause I have no definite proof, but it would not surprise me in the least.

[Eezy as 123]

I don't have a great understanding of all that has gone on over at Lockland, but I would be over 50% sure that some illegal actions as far recruiting, summer coaching, and so on has occured there...I'm not saying it has cause I have no definite proof, but it would not surprise me in the least.

What could they possibly be doing wrong? All they do is accept open enrollment forms. If that student so happens to be a basketball player, then so be it. What do you want Lockland to say? "Well you cannot attend this school because you're a basketball player." They're going to accept any forms as long as theres two things:
1.) They provide their own transportation
2.) If theres enough room for them at that school (which more than likely there is)
They're not going to deny a student, whether they're an athlete or not. That's what open enrollment is about.

Can I get any back-up here? Doesn't someone else know that this is completely legal? Yappi? Dog Corporation? bedevil? HoopHound? 111411? Someone from OHSAA? Let's be completely honest here.

[HoopHound]

What could they possibly be doing wrong? All they do is accept open enrollment forms. If that student so happens to be a basketball player, then so be it. What do you want Lockland to say? "Well you cannot attend this school because you're a basketball player." They're going to accept any forms as long as theres two things:
1.) They provide their own transportation
2.) If theres enough room for them at that school (which more than likely there is)
They're not going to deny a student, whether they're an athlete or not. That's what open enrollment is about.

Can I get any back-up here? Doesn't someone else know that this is completely legal? Yappi? Dog Corporation? bedevil? HoopHound? 111411? Someone from OHSAA? Let's be completely honest here.

I've already explained what is right and what is wrong as far as player contacts and recruiting are concerned much earlier in this thread, eezy. You apparently "selectively" read them. In other words, you read the rules you liked as far as anti-recruiting, and ignored the rest.

Read the booster example I gave. Maybe you'll "get it" this time.

NEVER underestimate the power of the internet and sites like this. You NEVER know who looks in and reads these things. I doubt that a thread or post has ever caused an OHSAA investigation by themselves, but I'm willing to bet that if there are suspicions from other sources, and MORE incriminating info is posted on a site like this... it's just another nail in the coffin.

Now... are you grasping this, or are you just gonna keep talking?

I just thought of something funny...

Maybe you're from ANOTHER school (maybe an opponent of Lockland), and just pretending to be a Lockland fan. Maybe you're TRYING to sabotage their basketball program....

If that's the case, you're doing a HECKUVA job!! :laugh: :laugh:

[Eezy as 123]

I've already explained what is right and what is wrong as far as player contacts and recruiting are concerned much earlier in this thread, eezy. You apparently "selectively" read them. In other words, you read the rules you liked as far as anti-recruiting, and ignored the rest.

Read the booster example I gave. Maybe you'll "get it" this time.

NEVER underestimate the power of the internet and sites like this. You NEVER know who looks in and reads these things. I doubt that a thread or post has ever caused an OHSAA investigation by themselves, but I'm willing to bet that if there are suspicions from other sources, and MORE incriminating info is posted on a site like this... it's just another nail in the coffin.

Now... are you grasping this, or are you just gonna keep talking?

I just thought of something funny...

Maybe you're from ANOTHER school (maybe an opponent of Lockland), and just pretending to be a Lockland fan. Maybe you're TRYING to sabotage their basketball program....

If that's the case, you're doing a HECKUVA job!! :laugh: :laugh:

No, I absolutely remember and understand what you said earlier. But, an adult took a player and his mother out for coffee and lunch. This is a minor, and nobody took no one out to coffee or lunch. All that was done was talking and/or typing. This person doesn't even go to Lockland HS. Nor does he/she work there or have anything to do with Lockland. And no I'm not from another school. And there's nothing I have said or done to "sabotage" Lockland's basketball program.

Now, I wanted a mature response, instead I got critizism. Remember, friend to friend conversations. Not, "date my mom" or take me out to dinner.

[mayson]

No, I absolutely remember and understand what you said earlier. But, an adult took a player and his mother out for coffee and lunch. This is a minor, and nobody took no one out to coffee or lunch. All that was done was talking and/or typing. This person doesn't even go to Lockland HS. Nor does he/she work there or have anything to do with Lockland. And no I'm not from another school. And there's nothing I have said or done to "sabotage" Lockland's basketball program.

Now, I wanted a mature response, instead I got critizism. Remember, friend to friend conversations. Not, "date my mom" or take me out to dinner.


are you stable mentally?

[Eezy as 123]

I went to Fairfield HS last Monday, and watched Lockland play in their summer league. And I was told by one of the people that run Lockland's games there, that Lockland has played nothing but Div.1 schools there, and they are like 6-2. They beat the #1 seed Lakota West by 2pts. And beat Winton Woods by 20+pts, and a couple of the games were won by a 40pt. winning margin! Is this normal for a Div.4 team?! The only game they lost to, was by a Div.1 team, but I forget who it was, but Lockland only lost by 10pts (something like that). The other was the game I attended last Monday. Lockland lost to Div.1 Northwest by 13pts. But only ONE starter showed up for Lockland (Thomas Smith), the others were all sophmores. Smith had around 30pts. though. Northwest had all their starters there, and played them throughout the entire game. Looks like Lockland will be a major threat, again! By the way, I have the information for the new player Lockland might get. He's 6'2" 165lb. Derrick Johnson, from Mt. Healthy HS. He joined the Owls late into the season, so I have no stats on him. But he played the PF position for them.

[thecougar07]

thats pretty darn skinny for a PF. it would fly against some of the weaker D3 and D4 opponents, but not against anyone with any amount of skill.

[Eezy as 123]

thats pretty darn skinny for a PF. it would fly against some of the weaker D3 and D4 opponents, but not against anyone with any amount of skill.

I'm not saying that's what position he'll play. He will probably play SF on Lockland. He's good at driving the lane, so that's exactly what Lockland needs, is a SF that can take it to the hole.

I went and seen Lockland face Harrison at Fairfield HS today, and once again, Lockland only had 1 starter that showed up (Thomas Smith). Harrison had 3 or 4 starters that showed up today, and Lockland still beat them 57-53.

Thomas Smith had 33pts., he was 9/12 (75%) from beyond the arc, a couple of them were DEEP. He was 4/4 (100%) on freethrows. And 10/13 (76.9%) on all Fg's. He has really improved from last season, driving the lane, jump shots, and the ability to complete the and1. I've yet to see how well Wilhite has improved, due to he hasn't attended the last two games.

[tucker]

eezy,
who was keeping stats in a summer league game?

[cincyhoops]

i didn't know they kept stats in summer league games. Lakota West is not the #1 seed there either...West will not be that good next year. I haven't seen Lockland blow anyone out. Northwest is terrible, if Lockland can't beat them they are in trouble. And, Lockland lost to Badin who is a borderline D-II/D-III team who's best player is out injured.

Get off Lockland's nuts and quit hyping them up. It's the summer, no one cares until December.

[Eezy as 123]

eezy,
who was keeping stats in a summer league game?

I was keeping it in my head. Smith only shot one FG inside the 3pt. line, and that was a layup.

[thecougar07]

well dang, youve got quite the memory then.

if this kid can drive the lane as a former PF, he must be a talent. which tells me he shouldnt be at lockland, but instead at a bigger school. which makes me doubt his talent in the first place.

[Eezy as 123]

i didn't know they kept stats in summer league games. Lakota West is not the #1 seed there either...West will not be that good next year. I haven't seen Lockland blow anyone out. Northwest is terrible, if Lockland can't beat them they are in trouble. And, Lockland lost to Badin who is a borderline D-II/D-III team who's best player is out injured.

Get off Lockland's nuts and quit hyping them up. It's the summer, no one cares until December.

Sorry, I meant Lakota East is the #1 seed. Lockland faces them next Monday. Lockland has had many blowouts in this summer league, beating Winton Woods by 20pts. And beating Lakota West by 2pts. Keep in mind, these are Div.1 teams, and Lockland is Div.4. Yes Northwest is terrible, but, Lockland only had 1 starter show up, and majority of the rest of the players were sophmores. Lockland's coach even had to play, because when they first started, they only had 4 players in. So, the coach just put on a jersey and played (lol). Thomas Smith had a great game then too, scoring around 25pts., and about 4-5 threes. They might have lost to Badin because, no one shows up to play from Lockland. You have all these little sophmores with one starter. I mean come on, do you expect them to be much of a challenge with about, 4 sophmores, a junior, and a starting senior? Northwest wouldn't have won if Wilhite was there. And that's just two starters for Lockland. And, obviously a lot of people care about basketball in the summer. Look at how many posts and threads there are everyday on this site.

[Eezy as 123]

well dang, youve got quite the memory then.

if this kid can drive the lane as a former PF, he must be a talent. which tells me he shouldnt be at lockland, but instead at a bigger school. which makes me doubt his talent in the first place.

DaJuan Harris from Lockland was a PF and he was only 6'3". And he became Lockland's 4th All-Time leading scorer. Averaging 20ppg and 10rpg. That's averaging a double-double my friend. And he was good at driving the lane. He only scored 8pts. his entire freshman YEAR! Then came back his sophmore year, and averaged 16ppg and 7rpg. Junior: 20ppg and 10rpg. Senior: 19ppg and 9rpg. Too small? I don't think so.

[111411]

Credibility is such a great thing to strive for. Should Lockland not roll through DIV in the upcoming year, I think you are going to have a lot of explaining to do, my friend. Just a little advice from an "old-timer," it's best to let actions speak louder than words.

[cincyhoops]

Lakota East is not the #1 seed either, they aren't very good either...try again!


Sorry, I meant Lakota East is the #1 seed. Lockland faces them next Monday. Lockland has had many blowouts in this summer league, beating Winton Woods by 20pts. And beating Lakota West by 2pts. Keep in mind, these are Div.1 teams, and Lockland is Div.4. Yes Northwest is terrible, but, Lockland only had 1 starter show up, and majority of the rest of the players were sophmores. Lockland's coach even had to play, because when they first started, they only had 4 players in. So, the coach just put on a jersey and played (lol). Thomas Smith had a great game then too, scoring around 25pts., and about 4-5 threes. They might have lost to Badin because, no one shows up to play from Lockland. You have all these little sophmores with one starter. I mean come on, do you expect them to be much of a challenge with about, 4 sophmores, a junior, and a starting senior? Northwest wouldn't have won if Wilhite was there. And that's just two starters for Lockland. And, obviously a lot of people care about basketball in the summer. Look at how many posts and threads there are everyday on this site.

[Eezy as 123]

Lakota East is not the #1 seed either, they aren't very good either...try again!

OK, does it really matter who the #1 seed is? The point is, is that Lockland plays the #1 seed on Monday, regardless of who it is. And, my other point is, is that Lockland is Div.4, and they are beating all these Div.1 teams. That's my point.

[cincyhoops]

If Lockland plays the #1 seed on Monday in the first round of the tourney then that would make them the last seed....the first seed plays the last seed. You are losing credibility (if you ever had any) with every post you make. I would stop now.

[Eezy as 123]

If Lockland plays the #1 seed on Monday in the first round of the tourney then that would make them the last seed....the first seed plays the last seed. You are losing credibility (if you ever had any) with every post you make. I would stop now.

No, I'm proud that they're the last seed. They're only Div.4. And you know most of the teams in the tourny will be Div.1 schools. Who is the #1 seed then? The coach told me that it is one of the Lakotas (East or West I forget). I know Lockland probably won't win, but it really says something for them, to do so good in the summer league against all these higher division teams, and only one starter ever shows up.

I heard that Ron Mack is not going to play for Lockland. Anyone else hear different?

[NKUnorse23]

I have also heard different things from what i am being told on here. i have been told lockland is STRUGGLING out there and wilhite and thomas have both been showing frustration along with andrews. i also heard they got blown out by fairfield and lost to a very average badin team

[Eezy as 123]

I have also heard different things from what i am being told on here. i have been told lockland is STRUGGLING out there and wilhite and thomas have both been showing frustration along with andrews. i also heard they got blown out by fairfield and lost to a very average badin team

I have no idea on Wilhite and Smith's frustration towards coach Andrews. The only thing I know is, I've seen Smith get frustrated because none of the staters, and most of the players never show up. Nobody ever shows up to play in the summer league for Lockland. The summer league coach (coach Young), even had to put on a jersey last Monday. They only had 4 players show up.

Wilhite has been playing AAU basketball, with the D1 Greyhounds, and hasn't found any time to make it to most of the games.

From what I've seen so far, with Lockland's roster, they are a very small team. Good skills, but just too short. Other than Wilhite and Smith, I've seen a few players that are solid (for Div.4 anyways). There's a kid on Lockland who is 6'5" and about 190-200lbs. He's pretty good at handling the ball, even for his height, and is pretty decent in the paint, needs improvement on his defense though. He looks to be either a freshman, or sophmore. And I'm really impressed with this new kid that just played his first game with Lockland yesterday (Wednesday, the 21st.). I don't know his name, but I've heard from somebody that it might be Nick North from Reading. He's 6'2"-6'3", and has a pretty good jumpshot, even from beyond the arc. And I'm really impressed on how this kid grabbed rebounds and made shots down low against the taller Harrison team. He had about 10-13pts. I seen another player, who would probably be a back-up PG. I don't know his name, but I know he handles the ball pretty good. But doesn't really score much.

[cincyhoops]

I have also heard different things from what i am being told on here. i have been told lockland is STRUGGLING out there and wilhite and thomas have both been showing frustration along with andrews. i also heard they got blown out by fairfield and lost to a very average badin team



They did lose to Badin who was an average team that night because it was basically their JV team. Their seniors (top 6 players) were on some trip for school and did not play at all that week in summer league. But, Badin should be pretty solid next year. Yes they have struggled the past couple year, but they have everyone back this year including a couple All GCL North players from last year.

[Eezy as 123]

They did lose to Badin who was an average team that night because it was basically their JV team. Their seniors (top 6 players) were on some trip for school and did not play at all that week in summer league. But, Badin should be pretty solid next year. Yes they have struggled the past couple year, but they have everyone back this year including a couple All GCL North players from last year.

It's hard to beat ANYBODY when only a few players show up to play. Especially when only one starter comes.

[tucker]

i have heard rumors that the lockland head coach was not going to be coaching next season.

[Eezy as 123]

i have heard rumors that the lockland head coach was not going to be coaching next season.

Not true, players from Lockland said that Andrews will be there and coaching for the 2006-07 season. Unless someone knows more than the players do.

[crusader3]

Not true, players from Lockland said that Andrews will be there and coaching for the 2006-07 season. Unless someone knows more than the players do.

PM me if you want some more info, I have talked to a few people and have heard something different, but do not want to discuss it on the open forum...

[Eezy as 123]

Everything that you all have heard about coach Paul Andrews (Lockland) leaving, is not true at all. There have been some "mix-ups" and misunderstandings. But I heard this through a VERY good source. Just put it this way, if anyone knows what's going on with Andrews, it's this person.

And, Osunde Ekhator (Northwest) will probably not be going to Lockland, or staying at Northwest. He will most likely play at Colerain this year. And as for DeMario Pleasant and Corey Bowling (both from Northwest), they are seriously considering coming to play for Lockland. And are trying to get their center, 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith, to join also. I haven't heard anything else on 6'2" Derrick Johnson (Mt. Healthy).

[Pvikes4life]

No, I'm proud that they're the last seed. They're only Div.4. And you know most of the teams in the tourny will be Div.1 schools. Who is the #1 seed then? The coach told me that it is one of the Lakotas (East or West I forget). I know Lockland probably won't win, but it really says something for them, to do so good in the summer league against all these higher division teams, and only one starter ever shows up.

I heard that Ron Mack is not going to play for Lockland. Anyone else hear different?

Ron Mack will be going to Lockland FWIW

[Eezy as 123]

Ron Mack will be going to Lockland FWIW

That's great news. Is someone from Princeton also coming with him, or is it just him that's coming?

[3out2in]

Why don't they just re-name the school Transfer Tech. This is getting ridiculous.

[Pvikes4life]

That's great news. Is someone from Princeton also coming with him, or is it just him that's coming?

I'm not sure with his situation actually. I heard from a source that he will be leaving to go to Lockland. A few more Princeton players could land there eventually.

[Eezy as 123]

I'm not sure with his situation actually. I heard from a source that he will be leaving to go to Lockland. A few more Princeton players could land there eventually.

Has he played any summer league games with Lockland? If so, how many? Because, I went to three summer games (the last 3), and he wasn't there. But I heard he was there when Lockland beat Winton Woods by two.

[Pvikes4life]

I don't know the details of all of that, I just know that he will be enrolling at Lockland.

[Eezy as 123]

6'3" Nick North from Reading is now at Lockland. He's a solid player, he can play inside and out. Nice jumpshot, and can rebound well. He will be a solid player for Lockland, if he starts, he'll get 8-10ppg.

[NKUnorse23]

check your pm eezy

[Eezy as 123]

I heard from a source that 6'5" Trevor Niles from Winton Woods is considering. This guy has really good ball handling skills, and plays the SG position at 6'5".

[111411]

I heard from a source that 6'5" Trevor Niles from Winton Woods is considering. This guy has really good ball handling skills, and plays the SG position at 6'5".

And how many points a game will he average next season. :D

[Eezy as 123]

And how many points a game will he average next season. :D

Well if you must know, he should get around 10-15ppg. It all depends on who Lockland gets this year. If Lockland gets a lot of talented players, then obviously he will not get enough playing time to get as much stats as he would want. But, I'm guessing he will start if he joins, because, so far Lockland doesn't have anybody that is better than him (for the position he plays).

[Eezy as 123]

I know this might sound very unlikely but, I just heard that it's a 70% chance Mayo will not be attending NCH this season (possibly returning to WV). And a few days before I heard this, I heard a couple different people say that they heard something about Keenan Ellis might be off to a private school or Lockland, since they have open enrollment. Once again, I have no knowledge of this at all, I just post what I hear. But where would Ellis go? Would he stay at NCH without OJ and Bill? Anyone heard anything?

[111411]

I'm sure that D4 Lockland and their national schedule would be very high on these student/athletes' lists of schools to attend. :D Yes, this is sarcasm.

[Eezy as 123]

I'm sure that D4 Lockland and their national schedule would be very high on these student/athletes' lists of schools to attend. :D Yes, this is sarcasm.

Yes, I don't believe it either, but just sounded like a coinsedence to me (first I hear Ellis might be coming to Lockland, then 3-4 days later, OJ is more than likely not staying at NCH). I mean, he only has one more year though (theres the team spirit).

[HoopHound]

I know this might sound very unlikely but, I just heard that it's a 70% chance Mayo will not be attending NCH this season (possibly returning to WV). And a few days before I heard this, I heard a couple different people say that they heard something about Keenan Ellis might be off to a private school or Lockland, since they have open enrollment. Once again, I have no knowledge of this at all, I just post what I hear. But where would Ellis go? Would he stay at NCH without OJ and Bill? Anyone heard anything?

Just laughter.

[111411]

Just laughter.

I know that there's some laughter in NE Ohio. I'm betting that we aren't the only ones. :D

[HoopHound]

I know that there's some laughter in NE Ohio. I'm betting that we aren't the only ones. :D

Do you happen to know Keenan Ellis' cellphone #??

I think I'll text message him to consider Sebring. You guys could use a 6'11 post player couldn't you??

I'm sure there's gotta be a dairy farmer outside of town that would be willing to offer room & board in exchange for some milking as well other more "melodorous" chores.

Whadya think, Ones??? :shrug:

[111411]

Since Sebring is one square mile city limits, there are no dairy farms. I'm sure the head coach would be more than happy to take Ellis in for a year. :laugh:

[HoopHound]

Never mind, I found the number...

1-800-FOR-RENT :D

[Eezy as 123]

You guys really get on my nerves (lol). Do you two ever post anything positive? All I see in the majority of both of you all's posts, are all negative things, whether it be using sarcasm, or laughing at someone else's opinions and thoughts. That's what Yappi is about right (thoughts & opinions)?

[HoopHound]

You guys really get on my nerves (lol). Do you two ever post anything positive? All I see in the majority of both of you all's posts, are all negative things, whether it be using sarcasm, or laughing at someone else's opinions and thoughts. That's what Yappi is about right (thoughts & opinions)?

Negative??? Sarcastic???

I'm trying to do two things. Help Keenan find a place to play AND help my friends over in Sebring.

What's wrong with me text messaging him?

I'm not on the coaching staff or part of the school system...

In fact... if you have any Lockland players' cell numbers, maybe I'll tell THEM about the advantages of playing for Sebring!! :cool:

[Eezy as 123]

Negative??? Sarcastic???

I'm trying to do two things. Help Keenan find a place to play AND help my friends over in Sebring.

What's wrong with me text messaging him?

I'm not on the coaching staff or part of the school system...

In fact... if you have any Lockland players' cell numbers, maybe I'll tell THEM about the advantages of playing for Sebring!! :cool:

So you're telling me that you wasn't being sarcastic?:rolleyes:

And, for the future, I don't have no players phone numbers, nor do I contact them in any way.

Anyways, any mature posters out there?

[HoopHound]

...Anyways, any mature posters out there?

Ouch!!

[111411]

So you're telling me that you wasn't being sarcastic?:rolleyes:

And, for the future, I don't have no players phone numbers, nor do I contact them in any way.

Anyways, any mature posters out there?

According to my birth certificate, I am more mature than I want to be. I think Hoop may have a FEW years on me. :laugh:

Yes, we are being sarcastic.

[HoopHound]

According to my birth certificate, I am more mature than I want to be. I think Hoop may have a FEW years on me. :laugh:

Yes, we are being sarcastic.

Speak for yourself, Ones...

I weren't being sacastic.

[111411]

:laugh: :laugh: I'll be nice. I'll try not to be the grammar police until the end of August. :D :laugh:

[Witt42]

I'm sorry fellows, I don't know what world some people are in on here. But no one from Reading basketball would leave to go to Lockland basketball period! A momementary flash in the pan versus consistency and execution, just not going to happen. Anyone REALLY in the Reading family would know!

[Eezy as 123]

I'm sorry fellows, I don't know what world some people are in on here. But no one from Reading basketball would leave to go to Lockland basketball period! A momementary flash in the pan versus consistency and execution, just not going to happen. Anyone REALLY in the Reading family would know!

Sorry but, Nick North is already enrolled at Lockland, and played with them in summer league. I know this for a fact.

C- 6'7" Antoine Wilhite (16ppg)
PF- 6'5" Jamel Smith (first time playing for Lockland)
SF- 6'3" Nick North (8ppg last year for D3 Reading)
SG- 6'1" Corey Bowling (14ppg last year for D1 Northwest)
PG- 5'8" Thomas Smith (17ppg)

-or-

C- 6'7" Antoine Wilhite (16ppg)
PF- 6'5" Jamel Smith (first time playing for Lockland)
SF- 6'1" Corey Bowling (14ppg last year for D1 Northwest)
SG- 5'8" Thomas Smith (17ppg)
PG- Ron Mack (I have no information on him. I don't even know what school he's from. Anyone know?)

I guess it really depends on what the opposing starting five looks like.

[NKUnorse23]

Witt is right....Nick North is definately staying a Blue Devil. Good decision on his part...

[Eezy as 123]

Witt is right....Nick North is definately staying a Blue Devil. Good decision on his part...

Well then why did two Lockland players, a player's mother, AND one of the assistants for Lockland say he was already enrolled? Plus, why was he playing with Lockland at summer league? Seems a little too odd for me not to believe all four of these people would lie.

[thecougar07]

this is a little off-topic, but since you know Lockland pretty well, what can you tell me about the football team? did it take out the broom and sweep up the scraps from princeton, and who should be leading this team?

[Eezy as 123]

this is a little off-topic, but since you know Lockland pretty well, what can you tell me about the football team? did it take out the broom and sweep up the scraps from princeton, and who should be leading this team?

All I know is that I drive past the field every now and again, and see that there is some pretty big boys out there, bigger than usual. And I heard that around 50-55 players signed up this year (which is REALLY unusual). I know that they have a new coach this year, coach Hubbard. I think he's either the ex-principle, or is still the principle. But I heard he knew his stuff. I don't know ANY names right now, nor do I have a clue on who will be the players to watch out for. But it's a great possibility that Lockland picked up some players from Princeton, and probably a few more from around the city, due to open enrollment.

[HoopHound]

Let's get this back to hoops folks...

[thecougar07]

sorry HH, but this was the only place i figured eezy would see it. i got what i needed, so im through.

[Eezy as 123]

I have heard from a VERY reliable person, that there MIGHT be a BIG TIME player coming to play for Lockland this year. But, I am not releasing ANY information right now, until I know for sure, due to the "bashers" on here, that might "scare off" this person.

[cincyhoops]

I have heard from a VERY reliable person, that there MIGHT be a BIG TIME player coming to play for Lockland this year. But, I am not releasing ANY information right now, until I know for sure, due to the "bashers" on here, that might "scare off" this person.


Who is it?....OJ Mayo?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You have mentioned everyone and their brother as possibly coming to Lockland. You are bound to be right on one of them!

[Eezy as 123]

Who is it?....OJ Mayo?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You have mentioned everyone and their brother as possibly coming to Lockland. You are bound to be right on one of them!

Not quite, and I never said all those people I mentioned were actually coming. I was just passing on what I've heard.

[HoopHound]

I have heard from a VERY reliable person, that there MIGHT be a BIG TIME player coming to play for Lockland this year. But, I am not releasing ANY information right now, until I know for sure, due to the "bashers" on here, that might "scare off" this person.

By "scare off", do you mean the OHSAA might make him ineligible as soon as he arrives @ Lockland? :confused:

Or has he been getting a lot of calls from Lockland boosters, but doesn't know that's illegal yet? :shrug:

Please advise... we all enjoy hearing your explanations of how these potential Lockland recruits are "contacted. :D

[111411]

By "scare off", do you mean the OHSAA might make him ineligible as soon as he arrives @ Lockland? :confused:

Or has he been getting a lot of calls from Lockland boosters, but doesn't know that's illegal yet? :shrug:

Please advise... we all enjoy hearing your explanations of how these potential Lockland recruits are "contacted. :D

HH, remember, there has been no recruiting at Lockland. Only rumors from VERY relaible sources. :D

Speaking only for me, I am not being immature, only bringing up serious questions. :angel: Hoop will have to speak for himself. :D

[HoopHound]

HH, remember, there has been no recruiting at Lockland. Only rumors from VERY relaible sources. :D

Speaking only for me, I am not being immature, only bringing up serious questions. :angel: Hoop will have to speak for himself. :D

I'm doing a public service-type thing...

Just trying to keep eezy and the Lockland bunch "on the straight and narrow". ;)

[111411]

I'm doing a public service-type thing...

Just trying to keep eezy and the Lockland bunch "on the straight and narrow". ;)

And you are to be commended for doing so. :clap: :clap:

[Eezy as 123]

Why does it seem as if I cannot post rumors I have heard? All I am doing is passing on the rumors that I hear from people. All these rumors are coming from people that know a lot about, not only high school basketball, but ALL high school sports. Lockland HS and all of it's employees that have anything to do with Lockland HS, have nothing to do, nor do they even know anything about who's coming and/or who's possibly coming. And I don't contact any players in any way (I don't know how many times I must say that).

[crusader3]

I'm still waiting on 6'5" 250lb. Will Smith to write me back. And I also wrote to 6'3" Derek Shoecraft yesterday, but hasn't wrote me back yet either.

You say "And I also wrote"..."but hasn't wrote me back yet either." But hold on now you are saying you didn't contact any players in any way? Did you just misquote yourself? Maybe you should change your name to T.O.

[Eezy as 123]

You say "And I also wrote"..."but hasn't wrote me back yet either." But hold on now you are saying you didn't contact any players in any way? Did you just misquote yourself? Maybe you should change your name to T.O.

Well look who it is, crusader3. If you would read on further in the next 5-10 posts, you would see why I said "I". It's much easier to write that than saying, "my friend has yet to write me back with the information on 6'5" Will Smith, and 6'3" Derek Shoecraft".

But I've already explained this before, so I don't see why it's brung up again.

[111411]

Crusader "brought" this up today as a point in which the OHSAA could be alerted to possible violations. I did say "possible." Some one may have some explaining to do to the boys from Columbus.

[Eezy as 123]

Crusader "brought" this up today as a point in which the OHSAA could be alerted to possible violations. I did say "possible." Some one may have some explaining to do to the boys from Columbus.

I would be more than happy to talk to anyone from OHSAA about this. I'm just a big fan of Lockland much like the fans at St. X, Elder, Colerain, etc. All I do is receive information that I hear, and post it, much like everyone else on Yappi.

[mayson]

I would be more than happy to talk to anyone from OHSAA about this. I'm just a big fan of Lockland much like the fans at St. X, Elder, Colerain, etc. All I do is receive information that I hear, and post it, much like everyone else on Yappi.


Well if the stuff you post is illegal...then it probably isnt a good idea to post it...if you are such a big lockland fan...

[HoopHound]

I would be more than happy to talk to anyone from OHSAA about this. I'm just a big fan of Lockland much like the fans at St. X, Elder, Colerain, etc. All I do is receive information that I hear, and post it, much like everyone else on Yappi.

My guess is that the Lockland school officials probably wouldn't want you being their spokesman in front of the OHSAA. :laugh: :laugh:

[111411]

My guess is that the Lockland school officials probably wouldn't want you being their spokesman in front of the OHSAA. :laugh: :laugh:

For the life of me, I can't understand this. :shrug:

Hoop, you always come up with the best responses. :D :laugh:

[NWDefender]

From what ive heard Corey is still on the fence, no clue on Will, Osunde is at Colerain 4 sure, and i havent heard from Demario 4 a few days.

[NKUnorse23]

I root for Lockland, but if they couldn't bring the title home last year with one of the most talented teams at state (in any division), i dont see it happening again..even with Division 1 transfers....

[cincyhoops]

I root for Lockland, but if they couldn't bring the title home last year with one of the most talented teams at state (in any division), i dont see it happening again..even with Division 1 transfers....



:laugh: :laugh: They were not anywhere near one of the most talented teams in the state in ANY division. Are you kidding me? They weren't one of the best 25 teams in SW Ohio.

[Eezy as 123]

:laugh: :laugh: They were not anywhere near one of the most talented teams in the state in ANY division. Are you kidding me? They weren't one of the best 25 teams in SW Ohio.

!!!WOW!!!:eek: :rolleyes:

[cincyhoops]

!!!WOW!!! You should get suspended from Yappi for that post!:eek: :rolleyes:


Are you kidding? You want me to name them?

NCH, Dunbar, Wayne, CJ, Elder, Moe, LaSalle, X, West, Princeton, Centerville, Mason, Tipp City, Trotwood, Oak Hills, Hughes, Wyoming, Northmont, Woodward, Madeira, Fairborn, Taft, Alter, East, Springboro, Beavercreek, Hamilton,....there is 27 off the top of my head. Do I need to continue? Check Vamps power rankings from last year...they are usually pretty accurate. You will see Lockland was not in the top 25 in SW Ohio...maybe not the top 40.

[Eezy as 123]

Are you kidding? You want me to name them?

NCH, Dunbar, Wayne, CJ, Elder, Moe, LaSalle, X, West, Princeton, Centerville, Mason, Tipp City, Trotwood, Oak Hills, Hughes, Wyoming, Northmont, Woodward, Madeira, Fairborn, Taft, Alter, East, Springboro, Beavercreek, Hamilton,....there is 27 off the top of my head. Do I need to continue? Check Vamps power rankings from last year...they are usually pretty accurate. You will see Lockland was not in the top 25 in SW Ohio...maybe not the top 40.

We're talking about talent, not who is the best team overall. What team do you know made it to the final four with only eight players? And only one of them was over 6'3". The teams you listed were just overall good teams. Only a few were really talented. Skills and talent aren't really the same.

And notice how you said "power rankings" not "talent rankings". Power rankings are STRICTLY, best overall ranked teams.

[mayson]

We're talking about talent, not who is the best team overall. What team do you know made it to the final four with only eight players? And only one of them was over 6'3". The teams you listed were just overall good teams. Only a few were really talented. Skills and talent aren't really the same.

And notice how you said "power rankings" not "talent rankings". Power rankings are STRICTLY, best overall ranked teams.

Do you realize what you are saying...you are saying that talent is the most important thing...not true...plus you must remember division 4 is a joke until you reach the regional semis...Lockland (with NCH not counting) still would struggle to reach the regionals and maybe the districts.

[Eezy as 123]

Do you realize what you are saying...you are saying that talent is the most important thing...not true...plus you must remember division 4 is a joke until you reach the regional semis...Lockland (with NCH not counting) still would struggle to reach the regionals and maybe the districts.

I never once said that talent is the most important thing. And I never said Lockland could compete against any of them schools that cincyhoops posted (due to higher divisions). I'm talking about, "pound-for-pound" raw talent. A lot of those teams are better than Lockland, and most would probably beat Lockland, but, Lockland has more talent, pound for pound. Plus like I said, they only played eight players on their whole team, because they really a terrible bench. Sometimes, the bench players never played 5min. of a game.

[Eezy as 123]

From what ive heard Corey is still on the fence, no clue on Will, Osunde is at Colerain 4 sure, and i havent heard from Demario 4 a few days.

I heard Will Smith was going to go to a school in Kentucky. And I heard DeMario might be going to either Fairfield or staying at Northwest.

[Eezy as 123]

I'm hearing rumors that 5'11" 160lb. Darin Wyly might be attending Lockland next season. He played for D3 Clark Montessori last year, and averaged 16ppg.

[mayson]

I never once said that talent is the most important thing. And I never said Lockland could compete against any of them schools that cincyhoops posted (due to higher divisions). I'm talking about, "pound-for-pound" raw talent. A lot of those teams are better than Lockland, and most would probably beat Lockland, but, Lockland has more talent, pound for pound. Plus like I said, they only played eight players on their whole team, because they really a terrible bench. Sometimes, the bench players never played 5min. of a game.


Lockland does not have as much talent as most of those schools...do they have talent yes, but cmon man...lets not get ahead of ourselves....

[trueballer01]

Eazy I don't want to blast on you but give it up. If you look at your post your starting line up for Lockland has changed at least 5 times. You say this and that kid plays for Lockland in summer ball half is true and half is not. I would almost give up writing kids and try to make your Lockland players better or should I say players within Lockland. I mean to finish off if you don't know who Ben Hubbard is to Lockland than you don't know half as much as you are saying.