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Very rarely do I find myself in agreement with liberal Jew Rep Nadler, but he’s right about this one. Violence against anyone, Jews included, is criminal and cannot be tolerated. Non-violent protests and rhetoric, though? Why do Jews get special favor? What about Catholics? Redheads? Left-handed midgets? Anyone else who doesn’t want to accept criticism?

This is a bad bill and it’s ironic it protects criticism of the very folks who invented the hate group/hate speech BS.
 
 
Jews have been able get these special protections because they contribute a disproportionate amount of the campaign funds to both parties, tend to have an extremely strong sense of ethnic identity and in-group preference compared to other groups, and are far better than other groups at political networking. No other lobby is as effective as they are.

It also doesn't hurt that many American Protestants today follow a dispensationalist theology that teaches that Israel is a "chosen nation" and Jews a "Chosen people" and that Christians have a special responsibility to "bless" Israel and Jews. Many Republican politicians such as Mike Johnson, Kristi Noem, Ted Cruz and Mike Pompeo fall into this category.
 
Bull GreenDog said:
Jews have been able get these special protections because they contribute a disproportionate amount of the campaign funds to both parties, tend to have an extremely strong sense of ethnic identity and in-group preference compared to other groups, and are far better than other groups at political networking. No other lobby is as effective as they are.

It also doesn't hurt that many American Protestants today follow a dispensationalist theology that teaches that Israel is a "chosen nation" and Jews a "Chosen people" and that Christians have a special responsibility to "bless" Israel and Jews. Many Republican politicians such as Mike Johnson, Kristi Noem, Ted Cruz and Mike Pompeo fall into this category.
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Correct on all counts.
 
cjb5656 said:
Correct on all counts.
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Not quite.

Bible-believing Christians do not believe in honoring Jews because they are dispensationalists, but because of the Abrahamic Covenant where Abe and his descendents thru Isaac were promised certain things and among them were "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you."

I was taught this by my parents at an early age and hold to it today. Covenants are hard for modern people to understand. We think more in terms of contracts. In a contract, you limit your responsibilities and and protect your rights. In a covenant, you give up all of your rights and take on your responsibilities. In a contract, a failure to perform an obligation results in the contract being broken. In a covenant, you keep your promises regardless of whether the other party keeps theirs. The God of the Bible is a covenant-keeper and will do what He has promised. The Jews have certainly not always been faithful to Him throughout history, but the covenant remains intact because God has been and always will be faithful to His promises to them.

This is not a "get out of jail free" card. Individual Jews are just as responsible to God and man for their choices and actions as everyone else and Israel is responsible for their actions as a nation. It doesn't mean you can't legitimately criticize Jews or Israel or oppose a specific act.

But what we have seen throughout history and in my lifetime is that there is a persistent hatred of these people and many factions who wish to do them harm, even eradicate them from the earth. Their existence and strength as a people is a testimony of God's faithfulness to them despite the threats they always face.

They are a special people. God did not make a covenant with my people - Scots/Irish/Welsh American hillbillies and promise us anything as a group. Lol. But he did to Isaac's descendants and we respect that. We carry that on because we believe the Bible and that God always does what he says He will do. So, we will always support Israel and the Jews' and Israel's existence, safety, and prosperity. FWIW
 
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Jews on his right, Hamas on his left....a Slappy three-way. Free ice cream for anybody that votes for this conesucker.
 
Speech, including protest and even what is considered hate speech must not be abridged by the government. That protection ends in my opinion when such activity causes destruction of property, denies public access , or creates violence.
 
Bull GreenDog said:
Here is independent journalist and tireless free-speech advocate Glenn Greenwald on Republican hypocrisy and duplicity on this issue.

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Nobody's perfect, and neither Greenwald or the Republicans as a whole are no exception.

I think Glenn really doesn't like being told that his butt sex is unclean by his familial branch of Judaism. It clouds his judgement sometimes, and it also makes him anti-Israel. He'll take his absolutism too far when he's salty.
 
Omega said:
Speech, including protest and even what is considered hate speech must not be abridged by the government. That protection ends in my opinion when such activity causes destruction of property, denies public access , or creates violence.
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We have the freedom of speech in our contract with the US government.

It was written simply and clearly, with obviously no intention for the inclusion of the "non-verbal expressions" some would attempt to include, like the willful destruction of the property of others, or standing in a street blocking the flow of traffic in defiance of civil codes for public conduct.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
Nobody's perfect, and neither Greenwald or the Republicans as a whole are no exception.

I think Glenn really doesn't like being told that his butt sex is unclean by his familial branch of Judaism. It clouds his judgement sometimes, and it also makes him anti-Israel. He'll take his absolutism too far when he's salty.
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When it comes to matters of free speech I'll take Greenwald over any politician, dem or rep and it's not even close.

And you pretty much illustrated with your second paragraph what makes him so much better than most. You could learn a thing or two from him in regards to separating the individual from the issue. Most people wouldn't really associate being an ardent supporter of civil rights with homosexuality and Judaism, but I guess there's a connection. I guess then you'd have to wonder if the founding fathers were actually supporters of inherent human rights or they were just "salty" closeted gay dudes. lol
 
TylerDurden said:
When it comes to matters of free speech I'll take Greenwald over any politician, dem or rep and it's not even close.

And you pretty much illustrated with your second paragraph what makes him so much better than most. You could learn a thing or two from him in regards to separating the individual from the issue. Most people wouldn't really associate being an ardent supporter of civil rights with homosexuality and Judaism, but I guess there's a connection. I guess then you'd have to wonder if the founding fathers were actually supporters of inherent human rights or they were just "salty" closeted gay dudes. lol
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So you're telling me you haven't heard the story about how George Washington was kicked out of his synagogue for sleeping with Thomas Jefferson? I thought that was common knowledge!
 
Appearing on Friday’s edition of The Tucker Carlson Show, Massie explained some of AIPAC’s tactics to sway lawmakers. The congressman told Carlson that he banned AIPAC from his office after the group lobbied against his reelection. Massie said the bad blood began when he refused the group’s request to write a white paper on Israel when he first ran for Congress.



“I have Republicans, you come to me on the floor and say, ‘I wish I could vote with you today. Yours is the right vote, but I would just take too much flak back home,'” Massie stated. “And I have Republicans who come to me and say, ‘That’s wrong, what a PAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my AIPAC person.’ By the way, everybody but me has an AIPAC person.”

“What does that mean – an AIPAC person?” Carlson asked, prompting this exchange:

MASSIE: It’s like your babysitter. Your AIPAC babysitter who is always talking to you for AIPAC. They’re probably a constituent in your district, but they are, you know, firmly embedded in AIPAC.
CARLSON: And every member has something like this.
MASSIE: Every Re– I don’t know how it works on the Democrats’ side. But that’s how it works on the Republican side. And when they come to D.C., you go have lunch with them. And they’ve got your cell number and you have conversations with them. So I’ve had like–
CARLSON: That’s absolutely crazy.
MASSIE: I’ve had four members of Congress say, “I’ll talk to my AIPAC person.” And like that’s clearly what we call them, my AIPAC guy. I’ll talk to my AIPAC guy and see if I can get them to, you know, dial those ads back.
CARLSON: Why have I never heard this before?
MASSIE: It doesn’t benefit anybody. Why would they want to tell their constituents that they’ve basically got a buddy system with somebody who’s representing a foreign country? It doesn’t benefit the congressman for people to know that. So they’re not going to tell you that.
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House Republican Claims Every GOP Colleague Has an ‘AIPAC Babysitter’ Pressuring Them to Cast Pro-Israel Votes
 
Bull GreenDog said:
Appearing on Friday’s edition of The Tucker Carlson Show, Massie explained some of AIPAC’s tactics to sway lawmakers. The congressman told Carlson that he banned AIPAC from his office after the group lobbied against his reelection. Massie said the bad blood began when he refused the group’s request to write a white paper on Israel when he first ran for Congress.



“I have Republicans, you come to me on the floor and say, ‘I wish I could vote with you today. Yours is the right vote, but I would just take too much flak back home,'” Massie stated. “And I have Republicans who come to me and say, ‘That’s wrong, what a PAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my AIPAC person.’ By the way, everybody but me has an AIPAC person.”

“What does that mean – an AIPAC person?” Carlson asked, prompting this exchange:



House Republican Claims Every GOP Colleague Has an ‘AIPAC Babysitter’ Pressuring Them to Cast Pro-Israel Votes
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This has all been known for decades. Dare speak about it and you get smeared with the anti-Semite label. Doesn’t matter that you are pro-USA and want to avoid needless foreign entanglements. Question the “special relationship” with Israel and your career is in peril and they will label you an anti-Semite forever. Ask Pat Buchanan.
 
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